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Did anyone just hear Art politely say that he had to interrupt Greer last night because HE WOULD NOT SHUT UP?

I didn't record last night's show, what happened?

Hilarious.

If you think about it, Art Bell was a satellite radio caliber radio host far before the medium became a standard. In other words, Art should have been doing satellite radio when Howard Stern started but contractual obligations prevented this.

I've always yearned to hear Art uncensored, you really do get a better feel for the person in an uncensored candid environment.

Remember that 3 hours of satellite radio is like 5 hours of terrestrial radio. You're not dealing with annoying C. Crane radio spots.

Unlike Snoory, Bell can take an utter moron of a guest and make a compelling radio show. His voice really is like crack cocaine!

Quote from: kingotnw on July 29, 2013, 02:31:48 PM
There always has to be a couple people who just dig and dig and dig at them, asking for proof of every little thing, and then blowing them off and acting like they must be liars when they refuse to give you their phone number so you can verify who they are, so you can crawl out of your parent's basement and go tell your mom you yelled at soandso online and it made you feel like a man! Yeah... Go you.  :

Now you're a liar. You never asked me for my phone number, I'll give it to you.

Considering I'm older than you (you're a whopping 36), I will ignore your diarrhea of the mouth and commence with my "Art Bell returns!" celebrations.

Looks like one of my predictions was right, SIRIUS you have re-subscriber!!!!

Glad I was wrong about him co-hosting with Snoory, this is going to be awesome.

LOL

Quote from: Sardondi on July 29, 2013, 09:29:05 AM
Look, I hardly care what your pissing match with GSD is - I suspect it has something to do with challenging you as a self-appointed broadcasting expert. But don't drag me into it and try to wear my ass out because I've had the effrontery to agree with him when he points out the simple fact that Stern and King are household names and Art Bell isn't.

GSD didn't say a goddam thing about ratings, jackass. He made a simple statement which is undeniably true, to the effect that both Howard Stern and Larry King are more well known to the general public than Art Bell. As much as I may detest both of those men - Stern for his aggrandizement of the most vulgar and low in humanity, and King for just being silly and shallow - nothing I think about them changes the fact they are indeed household names known to tens of millions. Art Bell might be the king of late night radio (as Larry King once was, lo these many years ago IIRC), but he's simply not as well known to the general public. That's all GSD said. So don't try to make me a whipping boy for having had the effrontery to agree with some guy you seem to have some feud with.

Correct Sardondi,

I think Kingotnw needs meds or needs to stop smoking crack.

I posted a simple comment and the dude came at me like a crazed shit house rat from out of nowhere. Every forum has a village idiot and it seems Kingotnw is him.

So far he is a:

1. Expert in entertainment law
2. Howard Stern/Gary Dell'Abate (Bababooey) Co-Worker giving him expert credibility
3. Friend to NFL players and understands the in's and out's of sports contracts
4. Knowledgable fellow regarding entertainment related contracts as he knows several celebs with them and has intimate details about their contracts

Conclusion:

The dude is full of shit.

Thanks for understanding I was simply making a simple point.

Art Bell IS NOT a household name, Howard Stern and Larry King ARE household names. Period.

As mentioned, IMHO, I think Art is easily the most talented of the three, but a household name he is not.

Quote from: Sardondi on July 28, 2013, 06:56:27 PM
Wait, I thought GSD had been here, like, forever.

Correct Sardondi, I have 70 posts under my belt. 

Quote from: kingotnw on July 28, 2013, 01:09:18 PM
So he just told you you are wrong, and you agreed with him... Lol

GSD, do you mind if I ask how old you are?

Ummmm no. He did not tell me I was wrong. He shared his opinion.

I agree with him. This is why these clauses are payable at all.

Quote from: lonevoice on July 28, 2013, 12:59:48 PM
It's more typical that networks have keyman insurance on the talent.  That type of policy has age limits as high as 80 years old, maybe higher, depending on the insurer and the premium the employer's willing to absorb.  It requires only a mini basic health exam that can even be performed in the insured's home or office.  If, as you seem to be ~concerned, Art were to expire before his sell-by date, it's much more likely that his network would be paid millions of dollars than that his heirs would be. 

Geeze, this is exhausting, and I'm not even old.

Precisely.

This is the only reason a network would agree to a "death severance" clause.

Quote from: kingotnw on July 28, 2013, 12:52:46 PM
Sports contracts have clauses like this in them due to the fact that injury and wear and tear on your body can shorten your lifespan, and even then it's rare. Look at the older NFL players that don't even have health benefits anymore? A friend of mine is an NFL player who is part of the association that is trying to get more money and benefits for retired players, and even he says its like beating their heads into a brick wall, and they can PROVE football caused all their problems. I'm sorry man, but you're wrong. No radio or TV personality is going to have any sort of clause in their contract that would trigger anywhere near even 10% of full payment.

As for money to his wife and child if he dies... He would have insurance that takes care of that, not a contract clause with his host radio network. That's absurd.

Again, put the crack pipe down.

No one ever argued life insurance wouldn't pay if Art passed. What's LI got to do with the price of tea in China?

It's relatively common for celebrities to put death clauses in contracts. If the other party will agree to such a clause as to pay remaining compensation (usually a settlement from a percentage of the remaining comp package).

2 parties are free to come to terms to whatever they want. That's why it's a contract.

Quote from: kingotnw on July 28, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
Rofl.. That's not even close to true... I have to say man... It seems like you are just making stuff up to prove a point. I am friends with people with these kind of contracts, and nobody's family gets paid the remainder of the contract. If the radio host dies, the only reason any money would go to the family is if it was worked into the contract, which it never is. The contract with the person. One of the requirements for getting paid a guarantee, for pretty much any contract, is showing up to do the work. A dead person cannot show up to do the work, therefore they do not need to be paid for it, no matter if there is a guarantee or not.

EDIT: and right above me an attorney just told you the same thing.

You're wrong.

Contracts are just that, a contract between two parties.

There is no "standard" contract.

You have been slinging PDOOMA since your first ageist post.

Seriously, it's not unusual for a contract to be paid after death, Google it.

Quote from: MikeJ on July 28, 2013, 12:39:41 PM
Not to get too technical, but I am an attorney, and I have some familiarity with employment contracts.  You can put anything in a contract, but generally, when someone dies, all obligations on both sides cease.

It depends on negotiations, the Texas Rangers are STILL paying Alex Rodriguez.

I can guarantee you that given Art's young Wife and child, there are provisions for both of them.

It's not unheard of to have a death clause in contracts whereby the contract must be paid in full regardless of death. This is why networks have insurance.

Quote from: kingotnw on July 28, 2013, 12:32:39 PM
You are aware that if someone dies, like you seem to think is going to happen, they don't get paid... Right?

Not true.

His family receives the cash and the network is screwed.

Works both ways.

Quote from: MikeJ on July 28, 2013, 12:30:24 PM
2 words: Larry King

Art's not in Larry King's league or Howard Stern's!!

Is he smarter than either? Yes. Is he more entertaining than King? Yes. Is he more entertaining than Stern? To me yes, to most people no.

You're talking about household names, Art Bell, despite his talents IS NOT a household name.

Quote from: kingotnw on July 28, 2013, 12:18:25 PM
We'll see soon enough. What do you have against older people anyways? Art is considered one of the best talk radio hosts of all time, and he will be getting paid accordingly. I have never once even heard age come up when discussing radio hosts. Why in the world would Limbaugh be getting paid $60M+ a year, and Art doesn't have a "snowball's chance in hell"? Seriously, it seems like your entire basis for your argument is his age. It's kind of offensive.

I have nothing against age.

However, I can tell you that Art will never see anywhere close to that kind of cash at ANY age. The risks are far too great to sign anyone for that kind of money at nearly 70 years old.

Quote from: kingotnw on July 28, 2013, 11:57:16 AM
Stern is getting over $125M per year.  Limbaugh is getting right around 60M a year. Art will be in the middle of those two.

You're smoking crack.

Forget taking your meds, put the crack pipe down.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Art will see that kind of money at his age.

I think you need to hold your thumb up and wait for Riley Martin to beam you up. Say hello to Timothy Leary for me while you're up there!

Quote from: MikeJ on July 28, 2013, 11:53:31 AMAlso, you seem pretty confident that Art is being held together by duct tape and chicken wire, but s far as I can tell that is pure speculation on your part.  Not to compare the two, but Churchill, who smoked and drank regularly, became prime minister of the UK at 66.

LMAO. Good ones! 

You're absolutely right, it's just speculation. I'm perfectly fine with being wrong and hope that I am. I like Art like everyone else and hope the best for him!

LOL.

Thanks!

Quote from: onan on July 28, 2013, 11:39:27 AM
There is some ageism going on here... its kind of expected. We all use our frame of experience to make assumptions. 70 y/o are often portrayed as doddering. But John Glenn went into space at 77.

As to smoking, for most smokers there are telling signs of adverse effects but not always. And I think Art quit a more than a decade ago. That being the case his lungs although may have been affected they are more than likely fully functional. People are running marathons in their 70's. I have no idea how Art's health is. But from the little I see he is still quite vital. And running a radio show as mentally challenging as it may be, it isn't laying asphalt. I don't see his physical health as an issue in any way.

Of course, there are always exceptions to every rule. Look at the shape Clint Eastwood is in for example. Sly Stallone looks great and so does Arnold. That said, HUGE difference to compare the relatively flabby Art Bell to exceptional people like Glenn who spent a lifetime in shape.

I'm just saying that he has a small child, and while the dude's family prioritization seems questionable, none of us know for sure what's in his heart. He may not want to be away from his little daughter enough to host a full time radio program.

I think it's realistic to bank on 5 solid more years for Art.

Here's what I do know.

Art is an investment to a radio network. Period.

At 68 going on 69, given his past history of smoking, and any other undisclosed health issues, anyone looking to invest in Art for big bucks would require a pretty damn good guarantee on their investment. I don't see any entertainment company investing in the likes of someone like Art for "Big Bucks", certainly not 8 or 9 figures as speculated by "KINGOTNW". 68 is the maximum age some life insurance companies will issue a policy.

It's not unreasonable to believe Art may come back full time, but I seriously doubt it will be for an epic amount of money. 

I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up on SIRIUS either.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on July 28, 2013, 11:06:45 AM

Stern is 9 years Art`s junior, and has taken meticulous care of his health. Not only that, he has a full staff of assistants, and co-hosts, etc.. HUGE difference from a chain smoking, 68 year-old man in questionable health, working all night and trying to spend time with his daughter during the day.

Limbaugh is 61 or 62 and also has a complete staff of people handling ALL his needs and callers, etc.. Besides, he works 3 hours a day, in the middle of the day, and has no guests. Again, HUGE difference.

I think it`s very reasonable to believe Art may just do a part-time gig on the weekend (my firm belief), or some other similar arrangement.

Bingo.

My thoughts exactly.

He's not in great shape and no radio network is going to invest tons of money in someone as unhealthy as bell is.

Quote from: kingotnw on July 28, 2013, 10:55:53 AM
I've grown tired of reading this bullshit about Art being too old. You obviously haven't read the last twenty pages or so of this thread... if you had... you would know that the two top djs are both comperable in age to Art (stern and Limbaugh) and. Other do full time gigs. Not tonl full time, but stern hosts two full time radio shows and a TV shoe, and Limbaugh has a full time m-f show, plus all the extra stuff he does.

You would also know that the difference between part time pay, and full time pay for someone. At the level of Art is massive. He has most likely inked a 8-9 figure contract, which is par for the course for somone at his level. Also, no way in hell a company invests big time in Art Bell's return if he isn't doing at lest 4-5 nights a week. Anything less than that and he wouldn't be able to build rebuild his fan base.

If you had so lily read over the past couple of days, you would already know this stuff. It is blindingly obvious that Art is starting a new full times show. There is DJ ply no other alternative to that. This run up Is huge. If you and two or three other people want to be ageists then so be it. But don't try to bring us Dow. We are all happy here. Fall in line.

Chill out and take your meds, damn dude  :. I'm offering an opinion, nothing more.

I sincerely hope that Art has inked a massive deal that proves my prediction wrong. I love the guy and would love to hear him 5 nights a week.

That said, Howard Stern IS NOT close in age to Art Bell. Howard is 59 and Rush is 62, art is 68 going on 69.

I don't believe either of those gents have young kids either. I also never said a radio station would spend the money to put him on 2-3 nights a week, I said C2C might by having Art in the line-up.

I ask this question in all seriousness.

Is it just me, or does it seem like years have passed whereby we have become accustomed to learning a week's show lineup only to realize that the entire week's lineup is booked with unqualified and uninteresting hacks???

I honestly feel that the only reason C2C gets any ratings anymore is due to how bad the show has become. I mean, I really feel like people only tune in because they might bare witness to some epic sample of George Noory buffoonery above and beyond what we have come to expect.

I will never forget the Ian Punnet sleep deprevation show (LMAO). It's moments like these we live for!!!

Am I off in my thinking? Do people really tune in for Snoory? I may find 1 or 2 shows a month that interest me and they are usually hosted by alternate "Coast Hosts".

It just seems like the topics are so stupid (and the guests), I find it hard to believe the ratings I read for C2C.

Thoughts?

Quote from: ItsOver on July 28, 2013, 10:36:11 AM
Could be but Capt. Nooron and Ensign Wells will be hearing a "crunch" soon.

LOL

I have heard that there is bad blood between Art and Premiere, can any C2C scholars elaborate?

I have also heard that Art has no bad blood with Snoory but clearly thinks he's an amateur.

Thoughts?

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 28, 2013, 08:42:31 AM

Was George's original deal really 2003-2013?  What was all that talk about retiring after 2012, and what about the times he'd gloat about a new extension - all lies (not that that should surprise anyone)?

I don't know specific dates but I do know he signed his deal in 2003 for a 10 year run (hence 2013). It must be correct because he just renewed his contract this month.

Quote from: Sleepwalker on July 28, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
Wrong, Sherlock.  Art is going to have his own show.  Premiere's Coast to Coast AM will suffer the fate it so richly deserves - oblivion.

Don't count on it Watson.

A full time radio gig takes a lot out of a person and Art's no spring chicken. Young Wife or not, he's an old bastard and has a very young daughter, he knows the value of fleeting time. IMHO, I don't think Art will waste his remaining time being sucked into the vortex of radio when he could be spending it with his youngest daughter and young Wife.

I would enjoy almost nothing more than to hear that Art is starting "The Art Bell Show" to directly compete with the uber-dolt Snoory.

Quote from: dan7800 on July 28, 2013, 07:11:18 AM
Art is joining the view.

LOL

Quote from: onan on July 28, 2013, 07:02:44 AM
Noory, within the last few weeks stated he had just signed a new contract for several more years.

Thank you, I was unaware of this.

I will then alter my prediction given my new understanding of Snoory's unfortunate contract extension.

Art Bell will let us down and simply become another redundant coast host. This will increase Snoory's dismal ratings exponentially and make C2C a radio advertising juggernaut once again.

As much as I hope Art will start a competitive venture, it seems unlikely given the Snoory announcement. Art is far too old to take on the demands of a full time radio gig and raise a small child.

No matter, looks like some good times are ahead!

My prediction is that Art will simply be taking over Coast to Coast AM from George Noory.

I think most people have forgotten that George Noory signed a 10 year deal to host C2C effective 2003 until 2013. Since it's now 2013, Noory's contract is up and since Art is ready and willing to host again, Noory's contract simply won't be renewed.

So, I'm almost positive Art will become the full time C2C host again taking back HIS show.

Fingers crossed.