President Donald J. Trump

[21st Century Man]

Yes, but he can't win the general election. As Mitt Romney showed, the electoral college map is not in favor of the Republicans anymore. There is no longer a clear path to winning the college with places like Florida becoming swing states.

If that is true then how did the Republicans sweep into Congress during the 2010 and 2014 elections?  Their majority is fairly substantial now.

I'm sticking with Cruz.  The Supreme Court is what is on the table now and I want a conservative President in charge of appointing nominees.  Hillary's campaign is falling apart.  I don't think a majority of Americans are going to vote for an avowed Socialist like Sanders.

[Value Of Pi]

Trump is a Nationalist, maybe even National Socialist. That doesn't mean he's out to gas the Jews, although they sure seem to think so.
Maybe it's better to call him "The American Putin", or something like that.

We can only hope that if Trump gets elected and manages to deport anyone, that you are on his list. In the meantime, kindly get out of Dodge. This doesn't mean picking up your vile trash and moving from one thread to another. This means leave the forum altogether. Go pollute some other place.

[SciFiAuthor]

If that is true then how did the Republicans sweep into Congress during the 2010 and 2014 elections?  Their majority is fairly substantial now.

Because there isn't an electoral college involved. Look at the last few GE election maps:

2004.



2008



2012



The GOP cannot win without Ohio and Florida and it appears the GOP has permanently lost them. That trend could well elect Bernie Sanders without having the popular vote if his ground staff are good enough at organizing.

I'm sticking with Cruz.  The Supreme Court is what is on the table now and I want a conservative President in charge of appointing nominees.  Hillary's campaign is falling apart.  I don't think a majority of Americans are going to vote for an avowed Socialist like Sanders.

I just don't trust the guy. I like his record, but not his tactics, and I'm worried that he's been bought by the establishment. The establishment does not have a good track record for justices, at least since Clarence Thomas's appointment. We have Obamacare because of a justice that was sold to us as a solid conservative.

[SciFiAuthor]

I agree, pragmatism is a strategy lost on the republican party. Not that it is much better on the left. I don't know how to get it across to these guys, but the America they want is gone. It is that simple. A majority of people, right or wrong, reject what the republican party has become. One can cling to what they want or realize there are going to be compromises that some don't like.

Trump isn't a republican, I am not sure what ideology he believes in, other than whatever gets him what he wants.

The problem is the religious right's rigidness. Barry Goldwater screamed warnings from the tops of his lungs not to let the preachers take over the conservative movement, but it fell on deaf ears and now the movement is saddled with religious issues like abortion and gay marriage opposition that work against them now as opposed to helping them get elected to the presidency.

But, again, I point to the electoral college problem. This is the GOP's last hurrah as far as winning the presidency. Their last shot before the presidency becomes a one-party affair. The only chance they have is Trump because he's such a huge wildcard. As I've pointed out, it's conceivable that he might take New York. That is inconceivable for any other GOP candidate. What a Trump electoral map would look like is anyone's guess.

[onan]

The problem is the religious right's rigidness. Barry Goldwater screamed warnings from the tops of his lungs not to let the preachers take over the conservative movement, but it fell on deaf ears and now the movement is saddled with religious issues like abortion and gay marriage opposition that work against them now as opposed to helping them get elected to the presidency.

But, again, I point to the electoral college problem. This is the GOP's last hurrah as far as winning the presidency. Their last shot before the presidency becomes a one-party affair. The only chance they have is Trump because he's such a huge wildcard. As I've pointed out, it's conceivable that he might take New York. That is inconceivable for any other GOP candidate. What a Trump electoral map would look like is anyone's guess.

I seriously doubt he will take New York. This being said by a guy that never thought he would get this far and be the clear leader. My take is he is not that well thought of in NY.

[SciFiAuthor]

I seriously doubt he will take New York. This being said by a guy that never thought he would get this far and be the clear leader. My take is he is not that well thought of in NY.

Well that's just it, I've been watching this guy since last summer defy pretty much every political convention and pundit's predictions all the way through. I'm surprised Charles Krauthammer didn't have a stroke. I have no idea what Trump is capable of in the GE. I don't think anyone does. He could take 2 states or 48.

[Jackstar]

The Supreme Court is what is on the table now

PLOT TWIST: Another Justice neither dies nor retires for another five years. Go on and slam that barn door shut, all the horses are gone.

Go pollute some other place.

I love how you act like you belong here, lulz: "Date Registered: 2015-12-13, 15:37:52"

*dismissive hand-waving gestures*

Incidentally, I'd like to point out that I'm happy the two of you are still here--you make Yorkshire Pud's idiocy show up in stark relief.

My take is he is not that well thought of in NY.

Probably not... by people who think. People who vote, on the other hand, are gonna pivot right to him like grapes in a funnel once Hitlary is taken out. He may well win New York over Sanders.

I have no idea what Trump is capable of in the GE. I don't think anyone does. He could take 2 states or 48.

I feel like one of the reasons why we're getting Trump, is so the sociologists can get some real data on how real people deal with a real lunatic. Don't get me wrong, I may wind up voting for him, but that cracker be crazy.

[ItsOver]

Because there isn't an electoral college involved. Look at the last few GE election maps:

2004.



2008



2012



The GOP cannot win without Ohio and Florida and it appears the GOP has permanently lost them. That trend could well elect Bernie Sanders without having the popular vote if his ground staff are good enough at organizing.

I just don't trust the guy. I like his record, but not his tactics, and I'm worried that he's been bought by the establishment. The establishment does not have a good track record for justices, at least since Clarence Thomas's appointment. We have Obamacare because of a justice that was sold to us as a solid conservative.

Yes, Ohio and Florida continue to be key states but I wouldn't necessarily consider them to be definitely blue, especially Ohio.  A large portion of Ohio is conservative, once you're outside of the major metros, such as Cleveland.  It could still go either way, I believe.  Florida, may tend more to the blue, with it's changing population.  Trump is still a real wild card.  At this point, I could see him taking some supposedly blue states.  I can also see him eventually imploding. 

[21st Century Man]

Because there isn't an electoral college involved. Look at the last few GE election maps:

2004.



2008



2012



The GOP cannot win without Ohio and Florida and it appears the GOP has permanently lost them. That trend could well elect Bernie Sanders without having the popular vote if his ground staff are good enough at organizing.

I just don't trust the guy. I like his record, but not his tactics, and I'm worried that he's been bought by the establishment. The establishment does not have a good track record for justices, at least since Clarence Thomas's appointment. We have Obamacare because of a justice that was sold to us as a solid conservative.

Oh, I agree with you about Cruz's tactics but I seriously don't think he can be bought however I have been wrong in the past. Rarely though!  Let me put it this way, I think the other nominees are more likely to be bought even Trump especially on certain issues.

I agree that the GOP needs to win Ohio and Florida and I still think it is possible.  There is only 1 county in Ohio that is overwhelmingly Democratic and that is Cuyahoga.  Florida is more iffy but possible and maybe the GOP can cobble together some more states in the Midwest and Colorado or New Mexico.

[Jackstar]

I seriously don't think he can be bought

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[21st Century Man]

I've always said that I have my doubts about Cruz winning a general election.  He's too polarizing. You either like him or hate him.  He needs to change his image if he really wants to win the general election and I really don't think that is possible.  Still, I'm going to vote my conscience in the primary.

[Value Of Pi]

I've always said that I have my doubts about Cruz winning a general election.  He's too polarizing. You either like him or hate him.  He needs to change his image if he really wants to win the general election and I really don't think that is possible.  Still, I'm going to vote my conscience in the primary.

It's nice to know you voted your conscience at least once in a presidential election, even if you later wind up voting for the least worst candidate. Have there been anything other than least worst candidates in recent times, in the minds of most of their voters, other than JFK and Reagan? I'm pretty sure most voters didn't hold their noses voting for those two.

EDIT:
Going back a little further, I guess we could include Eisenhower, Truman and at least the last two terms of FDR. Hm, maybe what we've got here is a recent, recent phenomenon.

[Lena]

https://twitter.com/Maxinerunner/status/701049326437535745

here's a really good TRUMP video

[Lena]

Ann Coulter is a White Nationalist now ...

    No wonder white men are committing suicide.Rubio runs anti-white men campaign & their wives & daughters support him!

    Rubio: "Look at how far we've come as a country since the 1960's!" Cold War?Computers? Cancer? NO! Cubans! Indians!

    "Diversity" = nonwhite; "White supremacist" = Not anti-white.

    Rubio says US is better bc we have more Cubans & Indians. I didn't say U.S. is better w more whites. Who's racist?

    Imagine a political candidate in Japan calling Japanese "racist"; bragging about support from non-Japanese & attacking Japanese history.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter

[albrecht]

I agree, pragmatism is a strategy lost on the republican party. Not that it is much better on the left. I don't know how to get it across to these guys, but the America they want is gone. It is that simple. A majority of people, right or wrong, reject what the republican party has become. One can cling to what they want or realize there are going to be compromises that some don't like.

Trump isn't a republican, I am not sure what ideology he believes in, other than whatever gets him what he wants.

Well I can still hope for secession or at least some devolution of some regions but, yeah, you can't stop degeneration to the lowest common denominator or the aggrandizement of government power Federally and then supra-nationally; barring some catastrophic event and a collapse where the remaining rebuild which nobody, well save a few, (1!) wants. But at least we can try to put some brakes on it. And, maybe, through local and State elections and then Congress, though with the complete power being rested in some Court that, for now, is looked on deified and an Executive Branch that has so much power, I'm not sure if that can even work.

ps: they are calling SC for Trump even with just a few percentages in. Why do they call so early? This has been a problem in the past but they don't learn.

[Jackstar]

Why do they call so early?

[albrecht]

I think it more complicated than that even Mussolini, and Hitler who took it to another level, had some loyalty to their people (if you were the 'right kind',) wanted a secure border (or in their cases expanding borders,) and the corporations (in theory and only select ones) served the State, and by extension the people- before the whole thing went off the rails with wars and genocide. I'm not sure if much of our corporations, or their employees in political offices, have our best interests of our country or people (even one certain group) at heart at all, certain not as a key priority as the fascist theory would imply, and some, including people in the highest office, want to actually to destroy it, sorry 'fundamentally transform.' Though, I guess, it could be argued what they want is a supranational, global 'fascist' system. Certainly many corporations and banks don't consider them of any country anymore.

[The King of Kings]

THE WALL JUST GOT 10 FEET TALLER! - Donald Trump.

This guys is awesome.

Love em'.

[Walks_At_Night]

Is this MV's pad?

[Walks_At_Night]

THE WALL JUST GOT 10 FEET TALLER! - Donald Trump.

This guys is awesome.

Love em'.

Well this one's for you then [not sure what's up with the Israeli flag or the chemtrails]:

[MV/Liberace!]

We have Obamacare because of a justice that was sold to us as a solid conservative.

and never forget about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Miers_Supreme_Court_nomination

[MV/Liberace!]

The problem is the religious right's rigidness. Barry Goldwater screamed warnings from the tops of his lungs not to let the preachers take over the conservative movement, but it fell on deaf ears and now the movement is saddled with religious issues like abortion and gay marriage opposition that work against them now as opposed to helping them get elected to the presidency.

But, again, I point to the electoral college problem. This is the GOP's last hurrah as far as winning the presidency. Their last shot before the presidency becomes a one-party affair. The only chance they have is Trump because he's such a huge wildcard. As I've pointed out, it's conceivable that he might take New York. That is inconceivable for any other GOP candidate. What a Trump electoral map would look like is anyone's guess.

everything you say about the changing electoral map is true, and i agree entirely about fundamentalist control over the "conservative" label.  it's an anvil around the neck, electorally.  and by the way, i would only barely prefer a christian fundamentalist over an islamic fundamentalist as president.

i feel like cruz supporters are viewing politics through the prism of 1984's electoral map and cultural milieu, and for whatever reason, they just can't snap out of it.  perhaps it's age.  a generational thing?  hard to say, since trump wins such a wide cross section of republican primary voters.

if republicans want to lose the presidency in 2016, then fine.  nominate cruz or rubio.  they'll never know how to battle the democratic machine, which includes almost all of the mainstream media.  all of this "war on women" and "school lunch program" bullshit that traditionally gets launched at republicans... it'll totally throw them off their game and they'll have no chance of surviving it.  why?  they're traditional republicans and traditional political personalities, despite their individual differences.  they'll spend their entire campaigns responding to the democratic narrative of "you want old ladies to eat dog food" and "you hate black people."  trump will plow right through that shit.

[MV/Liberace!]

My take is he is not that well thought of in NY.

i'm not sure why you'd assume that to be true.

trump's been famous for about as long as i've been alive, and he's done limitless amounts of business in new york... so if your hunch is true, then we need to start witnessing a long parade of former associates describing what a pile of excrement he is.  yet, it's not happening, and we're three elections (two trump wins) into a primary.

[MV/Liberace!]

Well that's just it, I've been watching this guy since last summer defy pretty much every political convention and pundit's predictions all the way through. I'm surprised Charles Krauthammer didn't have a stroke. I have no idea what Trump is capable of in the GE. I don't think anyone does. He could take 2 states or 48.

https://twitter.com/mvandeven/status/690693164722626560

[MV/Liberace!]

Is this MV's pad?

stay the hell off my propertah.

[Lena]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1v4Md3cAXg

TRUMP Victory Speech ^^

[Designx]

everything you say about the changing electoral map is true, and i agree entirely about fundamentalist control over the "conservative" label.  it's an anvil around the neck, electorally.  and by the way, i would only barely prefer a christian fundamentalist over an islamic fundamentalist as president.

i feel like cruz supporters are viewing politics through the prism of 1984's electoral map and cultural milieu, and for whatever reason, they just can't snap out of it.  perhaps it's age.  a generational thing?  hard to say, since trump wins such a wide cross section of republican primary voters.


if republicans want to lose the presidency in 2016, then fine.  nominate cruz or rubio.  they'll never know how to battle the democratic machine, which includes almost all of the mainstream media.  all of this "war on women" and "school lunch program" bullshit that traditionally gets launched at republicans... it'll totally throw them off their game and they'll have no chance of surviving it.  why?  they're traditional republicans and traditional political personalities, despite their individual differences.  they'll spend their entire campaigns responding to the democratic narrative of "you want old ladies to eat dog food" and "you hate black people."  trump will plow right through that shit.

Yes and Rubio and Cruz will run on Hillary's email scandal of which the majority of the country doesn't give a crap about and come November the election will be so one-sided that the winner will be determined before election day.

[Jackstar]

Hillary's email scandal of which the majority of the country doesn't give a crap about

Poll: Most think Clinton’s emails unethical or illegal

[MV/Liberace!]

Poll: Most think Clinton’s emails unethical or illegal

Poll:  Democrats hand Clinton a victory over Sanders in Nevada.

[starrmtn001]

Poll: Most think Clinton’s emails unethical or illegal

+1

7 out of 10 eh?  Guess most Americans do give a crap.  Excellent.