Art Bell

[Roswells, Art]

Lutheran?

Great, another word I have to look up.

[Richard Groyper]

lol @ the military being a socialist (jobs) program. That's not an oversimplification or anything, right?

[onan]

lol @ the military being a socialist (jobs) program. That's not an oversimplification or anything, right?

What would you call it? Tell me, did you need to interview several times and explain a resume?

[Roswells, Art]

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry i crushed your moment.

[GravitySucks]

What would you call it? Tell me, did you need to interview several times and explain a resume?

I had to interview, take a test, and undergo a criminal records check. I saw several people turned away from the Air Force that couldn't pass the test. They might have went down and joined the Army after that.

[onan]

I had to interview, take a test, and undergo a criminal records check. I saw several people turned away from the Air Force that couldn't pass the test. They might have went down and joined the Army after that.

Maybe so, I had to take a test also, and pass a drug screen, did the criminal background check as well. Funny though, how many I served with were in because it was a choice between jail or service.

[ziznak]

damn lutherans.... so i noticed art was at it on facebook with the.... the.... oh my god im gonna say... Art Bell was on facebook with his SHIT AGAIN!!!! god damnit doesn't he know MV can't keep the monkeys on the treadmill at this pace much longer??? think of the monkeys Art please!!!!

THE MONKEYS

[paladin1991]

Due to saving some asshole's life I was injured in a small fiery explosion. I got to witness both great and pathetic health care served to active duty soldiers. It still knots my stomach.

fucking assholes.  They always get somebody else fucked up.  Always.

[paladin1991]

And I am proud to rub elbows with you. We disagree strongly on political issues. Yet, because we both approach most of our interactions as adult, we get along pretty well. Not to get off on yet another tangent, but, the military is a socialist program. It is an enormous jobs program.

Forgot to comment.
'... but, the military is a socialist program.'   Depends if you are looking fm a left oblique or a right oblique.

[paladin1991]

What would you call it? Tell me, did you need to interview several times and explain a resume?

Hmmm.  Not as you would think.  I got pulled fm my training platoon for several interviews and ended up re-writing my contract.  After the necessary psych eval, that is. 

[onan]

fucking assholes.  They always get somebody else fucked up.  Always.

This clown, decided he wanted to see what was inside a 50mm salute round. He dumped out a good quantity of black powder onto the floor and was about to drop a match on it, while he was bent over the top of it looking down. I pushed him just in time to have the flames burn the shit out of my right arm.

[Auslandia]

Anyone who doesn't understand how lowering taxes will actually INCREASE revenues to our treasury is not that smart. Anyone who voted for our current disaster of a leader border lines on stupid, I don't care who he works with. Just because a person has compassion for another human being doesn't make him smart or wise.

Right because the ones who voted for the last disaster of a leader were so much more intelligent?  Get over it man.  Americans are fucking dumb and we elect dumb asses to office.

[Roswells, Art]

Right because the ones who voted for the last disaster of a leader were so much more intelligent?  Get over it man.  Americans are fucking dumb and we elect dumb asses to office.

Hey shut up, trickle down economics was a roaring success.

[paladin1991]

This clown, decided he wanted to see what was inside a 50mm salute round. He dumped out a good quantity of black powder onto the floor and was about to drop a match on it, while he was bent over the top of it looking down. I pushed him just in time to have the flames burn the shit out of my right arm.

Right arm.  That's where my burn scars are as well.  Right forearm, almost down to the tendon, I guess.  Was a bit of a question if I would recover full use.  *shrug* 

[Auslandia]

My mom just told me this morning that she was shocked I wouldn't be voting for Cruz.  Lol  I have no idea when she actually STARTED voting or even knew who any of the candidates were.

[onan]

Right arm.  That's where my burn scars are as well.  Right forearm, almost down to the tendon, I guess.  Was a bit of a question if I would recover full use.  *shrug*

Sorry man, it seems you got a much rougher ride than I did. Some days suck.

[Richard Groyper]

What would you call it? Tell me, did you need to interview several times and explain a resume?

I would call it the Military. With 1% (or less) of the population being a service member; that's hardly a socialist (jobs) program. Did I have to do a "formal" interview to get into the military: Nope. What's your point? Signing up doesn't guarantee you a job.

[GravitySucks]

Maybe so, I had to take a test also, and pass a drug screen, did the criminal background check as well. Funny though, how many I served with were in because it was a choice between jail or service.

I've heard the serve or serve time stories, but never met anyone personally that would admit to that. I've posted before about my service. I'm proud of it, but I don't consider myself a hero for having done so. I served in the relative comfort of the Cold War. I got great experience as a computer programmer and got my degree at night while I was in the service. When they asked me to go to OCS and come back to keep doing the exact same job in Omaha as I was doing as enlisted, I said no thank you.

I think a socialist jobs program would have paid better. As an E5, with a wife and son, I qualified for WIC and food stamps. We did the WIC, but my pride wouldn't let me take the food stamps. I just found part time work cleaning houses and steam cleaning carpets to help make ends meet.

When I was stationed in Plattsburgh, NY, we would save up leave and go pick apples in September. I still can't eat a McIntosh apple to this day. Funny, even with an unemployment rate of about 22% in the counties around there, the locals wouldn't pick apples. Military, their dependents and imported temporary workers from Jamaica did most of the seasonal work.

I had a work ethic when I went in the military, but I think it improved immensely while I was in. It helped me as a manager later in life, because people working with me and for me saw firsthand that I wouldn't ask them to do anything I wouldn't do myself.

I may have been different than most. I decided to get as much out of my military experience as I could. I would never have had the civilian career that I had if it had not been for the experience and opportunities that my time in the military gave me.

All that being said, I supported my son's attempt to go into the Navy (he had some police issues they chose not to overlook) but I would break my daughter's legs to keep her out of the military.

[DarKPenguiN]

I had to interview, take a test, and undergo a criminal records check. I saw several people turned away from the Air Force that couldn't pass the test. They might have went down and joined the Army after that.

We couldnt all be so lucky as to ride our shiny little bicycles around the shores of lake michigan for PT- fucker   

Not so sure that Military is a socialist program but the defense department has turned some of the private sector into its own personal socialist jobs program. I'm also not entirely sure that all socialisism is inherently bad. I support Social Security wholeheartedly and think that as a civilized society its a national Security issue to take care of our own. I even support welfare (not to the degree we have it) and certain safety net programs we have in place which I feel are crucial to having a safe society.

The problem is the degree of abuse of the use of these programs not as a safety net but as a 'way of life' for generations.

We kind of skirted the issue earlier regarding the least capable breeding the most/eugenics and such. Its such a complex and controversial subject but rather than incentive people who cannot take care of themselves to have even more kids, we need incentive for them to stop.

Simply we should be paying certain people to have their tubes tied (and save billions in the long run) and others should be paid to stay home, have and raise children. Motherhood is the most important job in the world and right now the couples with higher IQ, drive, ambition and ability are generally working too hard and trying to get ahead to have enough children to bring some real potential to future generations.

We're not ever going to totally get rid of 'socialism' , nor should we. Look at Liberia for a Libertarian example of how government can work. We need to be fair and just and take care of our own but we need to  also have a long term plan to minimize those who cannot care for themselves and maximize the achievers.

To have any socialist programs which do good for society we have to have limits.

-Not that thats going to happen anytime soon.

[ziznak]

welfare life is cultural in a lot of areas in philly... black white hispanic it's a trashcan meltingpot

[onan]

I've heard the serve or serve time stories, but never met anyone personally that would admit to that. I've posted before about my service. I'm proud of it, but I don't consider myself a hero for having done so. I served in the relative comfort of the Cold War. I got great experience as a computer programmer and got my degree at night while I was in the service. When they asked me to go to OCS and come back to keep doing the exact same job in Omaha as I was doing as enlisted, I said no thank you.

I think a socialist jobs program would have paid better. As an E5, with a wife and son, I qualified for WIC and food stamps. We did the WIC, but my pride wouldn't let me take the food stamps. I just found part time work cleaning houses and steam cleaning carpets to help make ends meet.

When I was stationed in Plattsburgh, NY, we would save up leave and go pick apples in September. I still can't eat a McIntosh apple to this day. Funny, even with an unemployment rate of about 22% in the counties around there, the locals wouldn't pick apples. Military, their dependents and imported temporary workers from Jamaica did most of the seasonal work.

I had a work ethic when I went in the military, but I think it improved immensely while I was in. It helped me as a manager later in life, because people working with me and for me saw firsthand that I wouldn't ask them to do anything I wouldn't do myself.

I may have been different than most. I decided to get as much out of my military experience as I could. I would never have had the civilian career that I had if it had not been for the experience and opportunities that my time in Hether military gave me.

All that being said, I supported my son's attempt to go into the Navy (he had some police issues they chose not to overlook) but I would break my daughter's legs to keep her out of the military.

I did not imply any slurs toward serving in the military. I went in at the end of Vietnam. I did not serve in Vietnam. One of my nephews just retired from the Air Force. He loved it and without trying to brag, he is probably the most positive minded person I know. I am quite proud of him. When I was in, I found nothing to keep me in. I was even offered a spot in CID. But I had no interest.

I do believe the military has gained a great deal of ground in recruiting since I was in. When I would use the latrine at night, there was always someone "shooting up" while I was trying to take a piss.

[Richard Groyper]

Fucking Chair Force! All be actin' like stepping off of the C-130 for 10 minutes, was akin to assaulting Utah Beach, June 6th 1944. Shiiit. lol

[Auslandia]

There are good for nothing lazy shitheads at every job I've ever had.  I'm sure the military is no exception. 

[coaster]

Right arm.  That's where my burn scars are as well.  Right forearm, almost down to the tendon, I guess.  Was a bit of a question if I would recover full use.  *shrug*

That sounds... painful.

[Richard Groyper]

That sounds... painful.

Socialism did it. 

[onan]

There are good for nothing lazy shitheads at every job I've ever had.  I'm sure the military is no exception.

I have worked with poorly motivated people with even worse attitudes. It was exponentially worse in the mid 70's military.

[GravitySucks]

Fucking Chair Force! All be actin' like stepping off of the C-130 for 10 minutes, was akin to assaulting Utah Beach, June 6th 1944. Shiiit. lol

Nah, I didn't sit in a chair much until I cross trained into programming. This was my winter job for the first 5 years I was in the Air Force

[Auslandia]

Socialism isn't really a great descriptor for the military since you can be kicked or your contract is not renewed if you don't show some upward mobility.  Plus it's voluntary.

[Roswells, Art]

I think we should reinstate the draft. Maybe then we would think twice about going to war.

[onan]

Nah, I didn't sit in a chair much until I cross trained into programming. This was my winter job for the first 5 years I was in the Air Force

That is one heck of an air strip.