Do not attach Coast to Coast episodes to your messages. EVERYONE READ THIS.

b_dubb · February 14, 2011, 05:43:05 PM

to further muddy the waters ... technically ... the air waves are 'owned' by the people. radio stations / conglomerates license them from the Federal government. or something. this makes less sense now that i started posting it. anyway ... so in a sense ... we're just sharing information. no one's making money if

Silent · February 14, 2011, 06:36:15 PM

Quote from: b_dubb on February 14, 2011, 05:43:05 PM
to further muddy the waters ... technically ... the air waves are 'owned' by the people. radio stations / conglomerates license them from the Federal government. or something. this makes less sense now that i started posting it. anyway ... so in a sense ... we're just sharing information. no one's making money if

If this mattered then anything on network television would be free to share. That is not true. People get cease and desist orders for sharing TV shows all the time.

RoadDog · February 14, 2011, 07:10:22 PM

The problem with the fair use argument is that Premrad qualifies their programming as entertainment (therefor, in the creative realm, and protected) rather than news/educational (fair use applicable.) Unless you could demonstrate a conscious, resolute and effective effort to use those shows for PURELY educational purposes, and/or that the copyright is illegitimate, you would have no actionable claim, let alone a legitimate claim of fair use. I am all for freedom of information, believe me, but until there is a worldwide outcry about the more idiotic parts of copyright law in general(probably never gonna happen), that's the rules we must work under, unless you care nothing for legitimacy. I would guess that MV cares for legitimacy( not to mention the lack of lawsuits) hence him taking the necessary action to keep this site online with as little drama and cost as possible.

DoYouThinkItWasAngels · February 14, 2011, 08:27:04 PM

There are those who obnoxiously quote the constitution and engage deep legal arguments when they're pulled over for a speeding ticket. I've noticed that this isn't a path to power and influence in this society.

Evil Twin Of Zen · February 15, 2011, 09:58:19 PM

Quote from: Do you think it was angels? on February 14, 2011, 08:27:04 PM
There are those who obnoxiously quote the constitution and engage deep legal arguments when they're pulled over for a speeding ticket. ...

Not me. I'm always mindful that the highway cop is underpaid and armed. As an example, when stationed in southern Texas, where sailor types were not well received, getting stopped at night meant the interior dome light was turned on and both hands high on the steering wheel in plain view. For me it is always "yes sir" "no sir" "that's not mine sir".

b_dubb · February 15, 2011, 10:18:44 PM

Quote from: Evil Twin Of Zen on February 15, 2011, 09:58:19 PM
Not me. I'm always mindful that the highway cop is underpaid and armed. As an example, when stationed in southern Texas, where sailor types were not well received, getting stopped at night meant the interior dome light was turned on and both hands high on the steering wheel in plain view. For me it is always "yes sir" "no sir" "that's not mine sir".

smart. i know people who reflexively start bitching at cops whenever they're pulled over. that never ends well. also, cops in general spend most of their time at work dealing with the diseased rectum of humanity. that sort of thing really wears on someone.

DoYouThinkItWasAngels · February 15, 2011, 10:59:10 PM

I never understood any of that. I have a problem with the cop or the law, the judge is going to hear about it. I want that cop to think of me as a friend.

anagrammy · February 15, 2011, 11:47:56 PM

Quote from: Michael V. on February 14, 2011, 10:56:50 AM
anagrammy... i both understand and share your convictions on this issue. believe me, i do. however, there are a few problems:

1) my website is hosted by someone other than me. if i refuse to take down the material, premiere radio is simply going to move up the food chain and threaten my hosting company. do you think for one moment my hosting company is going to fight for me? a customer who pays them $10 per month? hell no. they are going to pull the plug on my server LONG before any of that comes to pass. it's not in their legal or financial interests to do anything other than that. if my server were to be shut down, the lack of functionality on CoastGab would go far beyond simply not being able to post c2c shows.

2) many moons ago when i used to ask for donations to help defray the costs of the stream, very few people ever donated a cent despite the fact that there were thousands of people listening each day. if this is indicative of the kind of financial backing i could expect from supporters in an expensive legal battle with premiere radio networks, i'll pass. furthermore, to depend on donations to some sort of legal fund would be to assume that a majority support my position against premiere. i don't know that to be true. also, if there are attorneys using this site who are so eager to represent me, where are they? why have they not come forward? i think the answer is clear: nobody really gives a shit about this, and if they don't, why should i? i have real life problems/concerns/responsibilities/obligations to attend to. furthermore, i'm not so sure premiere is legally incorrect in demanding the shows be taken down. it might make them assholes, and for that i do not forgive them... but i'm not so sure they're incorrect legally.

Thanks MV, that shed a lot of light on the situation. Of course they would go after your isp.

I didn't know you ever had donations to support your efforts-- sorry you had such a disappointing response. Silent suggested I was wrong to suggest that you fight "my" battle-- rather I was suggesting it was "our" battle and as a paralegal, if you chose to fight it, I would certainly volunteer my services. I can see why you would choose not to, though.

CBS just removed Serene Branson's news video which showed her possibly having a stroke and garbling her words. They used copyright infringement as their vehicle. I have a sick feeling we are going to see the copyright infringement tool used more widely to remove material people deem other people shouldn't see because it's embarrassing or for whatever personal reason. Strange because a celebrity moment like this is such a great opportunity for people to learn the F-A-S-T rules for stroke recognition (Face-Arms-Speech-Time).

Carry on!

Anagrammy

DoYouThinkItWasAngels · February 15, 2011, 11:52:41 PM

Quote from: anagrammy on February 15, 2011, 11:47:56 PM
CBS just removed Serene Branson's news video which showed her possibly having a stroke and garbling her words. They used copyright infringement as their vehicle.

What was the situation? Are we talking about a bare clip on YouTube? If the clip were incorporated into a larger work, like an episode of a show dealing with strokes, the authors could claim fair use. Nevertheless, under the DMCA, first a disputed piece gets removed from the servers, and then the authors are given time to argue their case.

anagrammy · February 16, 2011, 12:04:23 AM

Quote from: Do you think it was angels? on February 15, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
What was the situation? Are we talking about a bare clip on YouTube? If the clip were incorporated into a larger work, like an episode of a show dealing with strokes, the authors could claim fair use. Nevertheless, under the DMCA, first a disputed piece gets removed from the servers, and then the authors are given time to argue their case.

http://www.inquisitr.com/98311/video-serene-branson/

DYTIWA- I found the above clip as the only working one showing the CBS newscaster having a stroke after the Grammies. On the Washington Post site, other stroke victims commented on the similarity of their experiences with what they saw. Her face is less mobile on one said, commented one doctor. She was examined afterwards by paramedics but they found nothing wrong and she was sent home. CBS, caring far more about image and embarrasment, pulled the video off most of the prominent networks and I'm going to hit send so if you are online right now you can see this before it is also yanked.

Anagrammy

Agent : Orange · February 16, 2011, 12:14:40 AM

Quote from: anagrammy on February 16, 2011, 12:04:23 AMCBS, caring far more about image and embarrasment, pulled the video off most of the prominent networks and I'm going to hit send so if you are online right now you can see this before it is also yanked.

Googling "Serene Branson video" brought up a ton of hits. Not sure if they will be there tomorrow but it's not at all hard to find right now.

MV/Liberace! · February 16, 2011, 01:47:58 AM

Quote from: Evil Twin Of Zen on February 15, 2011, 09:58:19 PM
For me it is always "yes sir" "no sir" "that's not mine sir".

HAHA

DoYouThinkItWasAngels · February 17, 2011, 12:12:07 AM

Quote from: anagrammy on February 16, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
http://www.inquisitr.com/98311/video-serene-branson/

DYTIWA- I found the above clip as the only working one showing the CBS newscaster having a stroke after the Grammies.

Removed already!

b_dubb · February 17, 2011, 01:03:01 AM

so did she have a stroke after all?

Evil Twin Of Zen · February 17, 2011, 11:29:47 PM

Quote from: Michael V. on February 16, 2011, 01:47:58 AM
HAHA

Chris Rock agrees with me btw.

How not to get your ass kicked by police, ROFL

haloedorchid · February 18, 2011, 06:43:36 PM

Quote from: b_dubb on February 17, 2011, 01:03:01 AM
so did she have a stroke after all?

No, she was diagnosed as having a complex migraine. Poor thing.

Silent · February 28, 2011, 08:29:56 PM

I posted this link somewhere else in the forums a few weeks back but it has been lost in the shuffle I think. Either that or no one wants to listen to Art Bell! Anyway, there's a good collection of shows available here http://www.4shared.com/account/dir/wB5Z2GOm/sharing.html?&

They're all free of commercials so George Noory won't be butting in on your listening. I'm not trying to get the attention of Premiere so I won't be spamming the link any more. I wanted to try one more time since if the files don't get used they are deleted by the website after 6 months I think.

anagrammy · February 28, 2011, 09:38:57 PM

Thanks, Silent,

I'm downloading them one each night, painfully slowly, since the "download all" feature is only available to Premium Members ($6.50/mo) and I am sooooo cheap.

Cheers,

Anagrammy

Scully · March 01, 2011, 12:18:09 AM

Quote from: Silent on January 26, 2011, 08:55:36 PM
if you're a fan of the old Art Bell hosted shows, your best bet is to just hope that all of CTC fails and goes away. That would leave a void to be filled by some fresh blood. CTC is just way too tied in with business these days to ever have that grass roots feel to it again. This is all just my views on it.

I wish I didn't agree, but I do.

HAL 9000 · March 01, 2011, 12:47:47 AM

Quote from: anagrammy on February 28, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
Thanks, Silent,

I'm downloading them one each night, painfully slowly, since the "download all" feature is only available to Premium Members ($6.50/mo) and I am sooooo cheap.

Cheers,

Anagrammy

MV/Liberace! · March 01, 2011, 01:27:15 AM

Quote from: HAL 9000 on March 01, 2011, 12:47:47 AM
As a service to Coastgab members, maybe I'll upload them all into just a couple of ZIP files for easy downloading...

please do.

HAL 9000 · March 01, 2011, 02:23:48 AM

Quote from: Michael V. on March 01, 2011, 01:27:15 AM
please do.

I should have them up by tomorrow night. A little cleaning up in the renaming department is in order.

Silent · March 01, 2011, 11:34:45 AM

Quote from: anagrammy on February 28, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
Thanks, Silent,

I'm downloading them one each night, painfully slowly, since the "download all" feature is only available to Premium Members ($6.50/mo) and I am sooooo cheap.

Cheers,

Anagrammy

You're welcome. There's no rush I don't think. As long as the files get some use I think the site leaves them alone. I wouldn't pay for it either unless you wanted to do something more with the site. As unpopular as the idea is around here you're better off spending $7 a month for streamlink and you could download or stream to your hearts content.

HAL 9000 · March 03, 2011, 12:39:00 AM

Some Art Bell Programs

Here are all 38 programs in 6 RAR files. You must download all 6 files, then use almost any compression program (most support RAR files) to extract the files. Once all 6 rar files are downloaded, you need only EXTRACT from ONE RAR file - the program will extract all the files into the current folder. Total is just over 1GB.

You can also download more than one file at a time (I don't know the limit)

Download part 1 HERE
Download part 2 HERE
Download part 3 HERE
Download part 4 HERE
Download part 5 HERE
Download part 6 HERE

Here is a list of the filenames you'll be getting:

Art Bell - 1996.12.12 - Joyce Riley - Gulf War Syndrome.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.02.28 - Dr. Kevin FitzGerald - Cloning.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.06.03 - Witch Hunt - Open Lines.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.06.08 - Stan Tenen - Bible Codes.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.06.19 - Phoenix Lights.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.06.23 - Brian Shock - Cryonics.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.06.24 - Roswell Case Closed.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.07.03 - LMH and Budd Hopkins - Roswell and Arts Parts.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.07.04 - Michael Hesemann - Roswell.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.07.10 - John Kirby - Roswell.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.07.22 - Leonard Nimoy and Open Lines.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.07.23 - Phillip Corso - The Day After Roswell.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.08.04 - Ed Dames - Remote Viewing.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.08.22 - Michio Kaku - Theoretical Physics.mp3
Art Bell - 1997.09.26 - Bob Lazar - ET Craft at Area 51.mp3
Art Bell - 1998.01.12 - Peter Gorman - War On Drugs.mp3
Art Bell - 1998.02.05 - Pamela Stonebrooke - Alien Sex.mp3
Art Bell - 1998.02.10 - Derrel Sims - Alien Hunter.mp3
Art Bell - 1998.02.18 - Ronald Klatz - Immortality.mp3
Art Bell - 1998.02.26 - Peter Davenport - Colorado Sightings.mp3
Art Bell - 1998.07.10 - Benjamin Creme - Maitreya.mp3
Art Bell - 1998.08.03 - Efiong Sam - God In Nigeria.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.01.07 - Open Lines - Dates From Hell.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.01.11 - Joseph DeLouise - Psychic.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.03.03 - Dr. Paul Shuch - SETI.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.03.10 - Peter Novak - Consciousness.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.03.17 - Linda Moulton Howe and William Thomas - Chemtrails.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.03.18 - Carol Bowman - Past Lives.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.05.04 - Ed Dames - Remote Viewing.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.06.08 - Alan Mesher - Overcoming Negativity.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.09.07 - Russel Targ - ESP Remote Viewing.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.10.27 - Stuart Wilde - ETs.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.11.02 - Terry and Linda Jamison - Psychic Twins.mp3
Art Bell - 1999.12.15 - Y2K - Open Lines.mp3
Art Bell - 2000.03.01 - Albert Taylor - OBE.mp3
Art Bell - 2001.06.15 - Steven Greer - ET Disclosure.mp3
Art Bell - 2001.11.26 - Out Of The Box Terror.mp3
Art Bell - 2007.03.31 - Evelyn Paglini - Predictions and Magic.mp3

EvB · March 03, 2011, 01:16:22 AM

Dates from hell are PARANORMAL?

Seriously though - thanks a lot!

Agent : Orange · March 03, 2011, 02:27:33 AM

Hal, you rock man

anagrammy · March 04, 2011, 07:58:51 AM

Tip o' the hat, Hal. Thanks so much

Anagrammy

MV/Liberace! · March 05, 2011, 02:15:21 PM

hal... thank u, sir.

EvB · March 06, 2011, 03:58:36 PM

A Collection of Art Bell with JC

Evil Twin Of Zen · March 21, 2011, 10:11:38 PM

The administration wants to make it a federal felony for anyone to stream copyrighted video or audio.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/ip_white_paper.pdf

The Administration recommends three legislative changes to give enforcement agencies the tools they need to combat infringement:
1. Clarify that, in appropriate circumstances, infringement by streaming, or by means of other similar new technology, is a felony;
2. Authorize DHS, and its component U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), to share pre-seizure information about, and samples of, products and devices with rightholders to help DHS to determine whether the products are infringing or the devices are circumvention devices; and
3. Give law enforcement authority to seek a wiretap for criminal copyright and trademark offenses.