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Yorkshire pud

Quote from: SredniVashtar on September 07, 2022, 04:40:53 AMTrump is worse. Thatcher was at least a serious person, and not dishonest. Trump is just a balloon filled with diabetic piss without a single redeeming quality. He barely even qualifies as a human being.

In a perverse way you're correct about Thatcher. When she uttered barely concealed contempt you knew she meant it. With drump he could mean anything, and change target mid syllable, and still lie.

I also think Thatcher would have little time for drump; Johnson is like drump which is why he likes him.

WOTR

Quote from: Silphion on September 07, 2022, 01:40:00 AMHe breathes into a consecrated listening wand which magickly spits out the text. Presto!

Of course. I'm still a Luddite with a keyboard.  :'(

pate

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on September 01, 2022, 05:52:41 PMA f*cking ramp!



Or was it the HMS Prinz of Whales?

Pud, some halp, hear?

We were talking 'bout Naval things in a nutter thread, I figured you might have some insight?

Nautical Shore...

Cheers
-p

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 01, 2022, 08:57:36 PMOr was it the HMS Prinz of Whales?

Pud, some halp, hear?

We were talking 'bout Naval things in a nutter thread, I figured you might have some insight?

Nautical Shore...

Cheers
-p


Look back to #141. This was addressed.

pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on September 02, 2022, 08:12:54 PMLook back to #141. This was a... dress...

QuoteThe idea ... to increase the ... capability of ... Hermes ... full ... load...maximise the ability ... with as many banging things as it can... power hungry and would tear up the ... ramp at the end, turn on the taps and shoot forwards and before you know it you're having positive climb ... I was curious about,.. a combination of the power output exhaust and a happy accident...but both ...

That is some hawt fan-fic!

#141 does look like a dress, thank God you live in SF or you'd blend in with all the other Anglish poofsters.


Wait a minute...

-p

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 01, 2022, 09:38:37 PMThat is some hawt fan-fic!

#141 does look like a dress, thank God you live in SF or you'd blend in with all the other Anglish poofsters.


Wait a minute...

-p

MD thinks I live in SF too..interesting..

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 01, 2022, 09:38:37 PMThat is some hawt fan-fic!

#141 does look like a dress, thank God you live in SF or you'd blend in with all the other Anglish poofsters.


Wait a minute...

-p

I'm curious: what did you think the ramp/ski jump at the end of the flight deck might have been used for before it was explained?

The guys who design these things have decades of engineering experience between them. The aircraft engineers, the ordnance engineers, the people who calculate maximum take off weights with available take off runs, using available thrust output.

Do you think it's just made up?

pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 01, 2022, 09:48:16 PMMD thinks I live in SF too..interesting..

A casual search of the site with the key term "San Francisco" & the posts by username "Yorkshire Pud" with the notoriously broken search function seem to indicate you have some familiarity with the city.

Not that it is 'evidence' of anything other than a commonly held BellGab assumption...



You can be a poofter in any city, I think it goes with that gheyAnglish Pride flag you wave so enthusiastically...  Nautical Shore?

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

-p

pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 01, 2022, 10:00:40 PMI'm curious: what did you think the ramp/ski jump at the end of the flight deck might have been used for before it was explained?

The guys who design these things have decades of engineering experience between them. The aircraft engineers, the ordnance engineers, the people who calculate maximum take off weights with available take off runs, using available thrust output.

Do you think it's just made up?

Seems somewhat useless for a ship that has a VTOL Harrier;  is it a tiny ship?  I understand the Harrier needs a miniscule amount of space in front for the semi-VTO bit, again:  Nautical Shore?

Did the PrinzKaaaang of Whales ever get sea-worthy again, btw?

Axing for a fiend, TIA.

-p

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 01, 2022, 10:10:32 PMSeems somewhat useless for a ship that has a VTOL Harrier;  is it a tiny ship?  I understand the Harrier needs a miniscule amount of space in front for the semi-VTO bit, again:  Nautical Shore?

Did the PrinzKaaaang of Whales ever get sea-worthy again, btw?

Axing for a fiend, TIA.

-p

The Harrier is no longer in service with the RN. Or the RAF. It's the F35 that will be used by P of W and Queen Liz.

I'm sure the P of W is back up and running after whoever dropped a bollock was keel hauled.

pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 01, 2022, 10:18:55 PM...

I'm sure the P of W is back up and running after whoever dropped a bollock was keel hauled.



TIA?

-p

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 01, 2022, 10:21:37 PM

TIA?

-p

It's an old navy tradition. New aircraft carrier gets commisioned. Goes to sea, things okay for a day or two and bang! Ships engineers discover someone in the shipyard forgot a vital component. Ship limps back to port, the offending fitter/lickspittle is found and  dragged back to the ship. He's stripped naked and his ankles are attached to a goodly length of rope. A diver goes down and takes the other end of rope, swims under the keel, up the other side and the miscreant's wrists tied to the rope. He's then thrown over the side and hauled under the ship (and being a carrier, this is a lengthy and no doubt distressing period of time) and up the other side. If he's alive he's allowed to say sorry for the bother he caused.

Traditions is traditions!

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 01, 2022, 10:06:57 PMA casual search of the site with the key term "San Francisco" & the posts by username "Yorkshire Pud" with the notoriously broken search function seem to indicate you have some familiarity with the city.

Not that it is 'evidence' of anything other than a commonly held BellGab assumption...



You can be a poofter in any city, I think it goes with that gheyAnglish Pride flag you wave so enthusiastically...  Nautical Shore?

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

-p

Familiarity perhaps...but as you say, not evidence of anything.

pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 01, 2022, 11:06:44 PMIt's an old navy tradition. New aircraft carrier gets commisioned. Goes to sea, things okay for a day or two and bang! Ships engineers discover someone in the shipyard forgot a vital component. Ship limps back to port, the offending fitter/lickspittle is found and  dragged back to the ship. He's stripped naked and his ankles are attached to a goodly length of rope. A diver goes down and takes the other end of rope, swims under the keel, up the other side and the miscreant's wrists tied to the rope. He's then thrown over the side and hauled under the ship (and being a carrier, this is a lengthy and no doubt distressing period of time) and up the other side. If he's alive he's allowed to say sorry for the bother he caused.

Traditions is traditions!

Sounds barbaric.

I was actually inquiring about the PrinzKaaaang of Whales getting seaworthy again, it's been a few months hasn't it?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 01, 2022, 11:08:39 PMFamiliarity perhaps...but as you say, not evidence of anything.

I do not need deets on your sexual tourism habits, TIA!

-p

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 01, 2022, 11:12:24 PMSounds barbaric.

Duh...barbarity, it's the only language they understand!


QuoteI was actually inquiring about the PrinzKaaaang of Whales getting seaworthy again, it's been a few months hasn't it?


Oh I'm sure if it hadn't been fixed by now (or at least well on the way) the typically prurient British press would have had a field day.

Unless... Unless the papers' editors were all rounded up and replaced by exact replica clones by the new King's cabal to offset any critisism!! Yes, of course it makes perfect sense!!

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 01, 2022, 10:18:55 PMThe Harrier is no longer in service with the RN. Or the RAF.

I didn't know that. Noisy bloody things, if I remember rightly, from those times I was dragged to Dunsfold.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: SredniVashtar on November 02, 2022, 06:08:31 AMI didn't know that. Noisy bloody things, if I remember rightly, from those times I was dragged to Dunsfold.


Don't you remember the outrage when Cameron announced the dropping of Nimrod AWS and 'mothballing' the Harriers? I'm acquainted with BEA aerospace engineer who had been a development engineer manager on the Harrier and he was most upset. His claim to fame was his leg got a bit part in the Schwarzenegger film when Arnie 'flew' said aeroplane.

The Nimrod cancellation was even more a faux pas. The R&D was nearly complete, but the final cost was deemed too high..it was later found out that it would have been cheaper and a much better platform than the Boeing E5 they bought from the USAF.. OOOPS.

pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 01, 2022, 10:18:55 PMThe Harrier is no longer in service with the RN. Or the RAF. It's the F35 that will be used by P of W and Queen Liz...

Pud,

For whatever reason, I stumbled upon this:

UK lacks pilots for F-35 jets – defense secretary

Quote from: https://www.rt.com/news/565776-uk-f35-training-crisis/
The UK military does not have enough pilots to operate its state-of-the-art F-35 fighters due to training issues, Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said on Tuesday. The UK has over two dozen of the warplanes.

Speaking to the House of Lords, Wallace admitted that manning all of the F-35s presents "quite a challenge." Explaining the reasons...

...today, which amused me greatly.

Over two whole dozen is stunning:  more so if it is a Baker's Dozen!

I am certain a similar story could be found from a source you find more reliable, if you care to look.  I chose this one just for you.

Shred might find it amusing as well, I can imagine his gibbering village idiot laughter as I type...

Cheers!

-p

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 02, 2022, 07:40:53 PMOver two whole dozen is stunning:  more so if it is a Baker's Dozen!



This is the main factor:

QuoteThe F-35's price per unit, including ancillary costs like depot maintenance, ground support equipment, and spare parts is $110.3 million per F-35A, $135.8 million per F-35B, and $117.3 million per F-35C. Those totals do not include the nearly $1.3 trillion in life cycle costs to operate and sustain the aircraft over its 66-year life cycle, making it the most expensive weapons system in U.S. history.

The Tories commissioned the carriers and the aircraft it would carry.
I believe there was a bid to use the carrier version of the Dassault Rafale. But as always happens politics gets in the way over actual practicalities.

Thing is the ships are built around the aeroplanes they carry so they can't now change it without a catastrophically expensive refit of both ships.
Jet fighters and bombers are just highly sophisticated weapon platforms and their support and the infrastructure on the carrier is geared to that.

As for lack of crew to fly them: Before leaving school (late 70's) I looked into joining the RAF. I'd spoken to a few RAF aircrew (I was a cadet at the time) and most said the travel and training was second to none, but to be a pilot (or even navigator) you needed at least an engineering or physics degree (and a good grade in either). And maths was a biggie. At the time my maths was shocking, improved no end after school, go figure!
Today they can really pick and choose. Candidates to apply for aircrew must have excellent degrees, first class at least. They also need to be computer literate, and able to multi task to a level that defies credulity. The navy has even higher requirements! So the lack of pilots doesn't surprise me. They won't lower their standards to fill an ejector seat.

K_Dubb

No PUD, it looks silly.  Designed by committee with no real decision-making effort, just compromise.  Two islands that are just slightly different, like two different factions formed around the concept of "island" and could only be appeased by one of each.  Is it like a clubhouse, one for the boys, and one for the girls where they taunt each other, gurning through the port-holes?  I wouldn't be surprised.  Selling the redundancy where either can be used for both functions as a happy accident deceives absolutely no one, it ain't redundant, they jest couldn't make up their bloody minds and made a shameful albatross that squanders displacement like confetti and invites the hoots and jeers of all the world's navies.



Also the ski-jump thing, again they couldn't commit to one or the other either and left the straight option if you break right for manly forthright aircraft launches shooting straight over the billows with only you and your thrusting engine between cold wet death and the stratosphere, and the (ok, it must be said  :(  ) gayer option if you break left and shamelessly take the easy no-commitment proffered handy with a YAY! and a skip and a twirl like you're in a circus or twizzling madly like Torville and Dean, sent off with glitter and pompoms and the hot flush of shame.

Disgraceful.  Anson and Howe bash their cocked hats over their knees and dash their wigs upon the deck, Nelson's shade shudders in disgust  >:(

K_Dubb

Honestly it looks like two carriers buggering each other , the rearmost  island has a look of grim determination while the one in front gives surprise, shock.  Is that a grin I see?


Asuka Langley

>it has a ramp

Cowabunga Dude!


Asuka Langley

>no one told the britbongs about Electromagnetic Launch Systems



At least it's not Diesel powered, r-right?


pate

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 02, 2022, 09:11:38 PM...

As for lack of crew to fly them: Before leaving school (late 70's) I looked into joining the RAF... my maths was shocking, improved no end after school, go figure!
Today they can really pick and choose. Candidates to apply for aircrew must have excellent degrees, first class at least. They also need to be computer literate, and able to multi task to a level that defies credulity. The navy has even higher requirements! So the lack of pilots doesn't surprise me. They won't lower their standards to fill an ejector seat.

What I am getting from this statement/story is that "La Grande Angleterre" population of weakchinned inbreeds lack sufficient numbers of citizens on the "Right Side of The Bell Curve" in intellectual ability to fill the 24-26 pilot seats for the available F-35's?



In short;  you and Shred come from a nation of village idiots?  Even your masses of Imported Immigrant Imbeciles cannot supply the aching need for "High Speed Pilots" and instead can only supply a great many SPEDs?

Maybe your Gov't should look into a different aircraft for the beached HMS PrinzKaaang of Whales, something like this one:



I am just trying to help, you could pay these "High SPED Pilots" with cookiesbiscuits and candy:  probably gain a significant cost savings there;  which could be used on the refit of the "Crown Jewel of The Fleet."

Nautical Shore?

Cheers!
-p

SredniVashtar

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 02, 2022, 10:42:51 PMHonestly it looks like two carriers buggering each other

To a fellow weirdo, possibly. You must be in a prolonged dry spell if two ships are making your trousers tingle.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 01, 2022, 10:18:55 PMThe Harrier is no longer in service with the RN. Or the RAF. It's the F35 that will be used by P of W and Queen Liz.

I'm sure the P of W is back up and running after whoever dropped a bollock was keel hauled.

Did the Harrier use vertical take-off much or was it too much hassle usually? I always assumed it must have been generally easier to take off conventionally and the VTOL bit was there to be used just in case. I wonder if it was a case of getting all the boffins together to do something unusual, but actually not having much of a use for it, a bit like Concorde. I saw it bowing to the crowd at a few air shows when I was a youngster, and sometimes I wondered if that was about the extent of its usefulness.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Asuka Langley on November 03, 2022, 12:18:58 AM>no one told the britbongs about Electromagnetic Launch Systems



No? Eric Laithwaite (Fellow Yorkshireman) invented the principle.  ;D

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pate on November 03, 2022, 05:36:46 AMWhat I am getting from this statement/story is that "La Grande Angleterre" population of weakchinned inbreeds lack sufficient numbers of citizens on the "Right Side of The Bell Curve" in intellectual ability to fill the 24-26 pilot seats for the available F-35's?



In short;  you and Shred come from a nation of village idiots?  Even your masses of Imported Immigrant Imbeciles cannot supply the aching need for "High Speed Pilots" and instead can only supply a great many SPEDs?

Maybe your Gov't should look into a different aircraft for the beached HMS PrinzKaaang of Whales, something like this one:



I am just trying to help, you could pay these "High SPED Pilots" with cookiesbiscuits and candy:  probably gain a significant cost savings there;  which could be used on the refit of the "Crown Jewel of The Fleet."

Nautical Shore?

Cheers!
-p

Not at all. Thing is a graduate with those qualifications can pick and choose their career; Should they take a job at a huge corporation and earn a few million over the years ahead...or, train for three years to be a pilot with no gaurantee they'll be selected to go on to be a fast jet fighter jockey. Be shunted around the world at a moments notice, possibility of being killed in action and not get paid anywhere near the rewards of being a civvy....hmmm.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: SredniVashtar on November 03, 2022, 06:47:12 AMDid the Harrier use vertical take-off much or was it too much hassle usually? I always assumed it must have been generally easier to take off conventionally and the VTOL bit was there to be used just in case. I wonder if it was a case of getting all the boffins together to do something unusual, but actually not having much of a use for it, a bit like Concorde. I saw it bowing to the crowd at a few air shows when I was a youngster, and sometimes I wondered if that was about the extent of its usefulness.

It was designed as a close support ground attack aircraft in the 60's. It was unique in design, had the biggest turbine ever fitted in any aircraft so it could basically hide in the forests of West Germany durung the cold war at a moments notice go and bomb the crap out of advancing Soviet tanks.

It used vectored thrust so was highly maneuverable and could take off from unfinished flat areas or at a push vertically. I say at a push because as said before, doing that is very power/fuel hungry and rips up the surface.

So short take off and landing was more favourable compromise. Hence the ski jump on carriers-Hermes. Not an easy thing to fly and they had more than their share of accidents. But it proved its worth in the Falklands spat and was very effective because it was so agile.

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