Art Bell

[ItsOver]

Amazing this thread is even able to continue without Art posting, or anyone really supporting Art at all!

Who's Art?  I'm just waiting for Bobo to deliver my chips and dip.  He sure isn't Dominos.

[chefist]

Who's Art?  I'm just waiting for Bobo to deliver my chips and dip.  He sure isn't Dominos.

hahha...bobo has kept it going for a bit...some say he is Art...what a sad legacy...

[21st Century Man]

      Regarding abortion,  I think its a necessary evil in certain situations but it is evil nonetheless.  Segundus, with all due respect, says that she doesn't think it should be used as a contraceptives but at the same time is advocating its use should contraceptives fail.  If used in that manner, it is acting as a contraceptive. In certain industries, like the porn industry, it has been used in that manner all too conveniently.  I have a lot of sympathy with women who find themselves pregnant in certain situations and I would never tell them what to do.  At the same time, its not the woman's life that just needs to be considered.  It is the baby's life too and someone should speak out on their behalf.  And please, dispense with the if men were pregnant, they'd get abortions.  That's not good enough and as of yet that has not occurred.  It will never occur naturally.  That is a straw man argument.  If such was the case, I'd be railing against the men as well. 

     Abortion is murder, nothing more and nothing less.  With advancement in contraceptive technology maybe soon we won't need to worry about them.  I long for that day.  Until that time,  I'm not for banning procedures outright but a lot of advice for and against them should be weighed when women make that decision.  And don't forget, abortion still has its victims other than the baby.  Many women who have had  the procedures are haunted for the rest of their lives due to that terrible decision.

[PB the Deplorable]

Depends on the odds.  If a filly is pregnant, she won't be in the triple crown.
(See what I did there)?  :

So no personal responsibility taken, and none expected.  As usual.

[albrecht]

So no personal responsibility taken and none expected.  As usual.

The obvious leftist solution is advocate for, and normalize, different type of relationships: virtual-reality and sexting masturbation, homosexuality, underage/pedo, inter-species, robotic sex-dolls, etc. No chances of pregnancy and, therefore, no abortion or children.

[TigerLily]

Women usually tell me they've had fun when I try to touch their uterus but whatever...different strokes and all. Deal! 

Deal 

[bateman]

the MEETING is back on !!!!
do to the many thousands of requests i have decided in honour of Wilber, to continue the fight.
he who runs away, has no strenght or stamina, i have both, so therefore i announce that the MEETING is a go.
Thanks again to everyone and in the memory of Wilber, please honour him and me with lots of respect that we both deserve.
Art thanks so much for you thoughts and preyers.
i will not let you or the Bell Community down...this time.

Again, it's great to be back

bobo

Take a swig of drain cleaner.

[Hog]

        Many women who have had  the procedures are haunted for the rest of their lives due to that terrible decision.

And many more have thanked their lucky stars that they could get that mass of cells sucked out of their bodies rather than have to live the consequences.
People need to worry about their own lives rather than stick their noses into other peoples reproductive decisions.  I do think that late term abortion should be avoided if possible.

peace
Hog

[PB the Deplorable]

... People need to worry about their own lives rather than stick their noses into __________________

We could say that about just about anything, yet somehow we've ended up with all sorts of laws anyway

[albrecht]

We could say that about just about anything, yet somehow we've ended up with all sorts of laws anyway

Yep, and way too many. I do find interesting how the parsing works on things. Like "I'm against 'late-term' abortion or 'only in the case of rape and incest' or 'health of the mother' or 'but not for family planning' etc and the age of the baby tumor. Sort of like when I'm fishing and the bouys tell me not to eat fish/mollusks past this point. Because obviously whatever heavy-metal contamination knows to stop at that point, and animals don't move. Why a certain tri-mester? Why a certain age for things? How are they determined- by what logic. The almost 21 year old (depending on country) would be harmed by a glass of beer. The almost 17 year old (depending again on state and country) would be harmed by screwing. Or you can but if there is a picture taken (which in this day of smartphone happens) that is illegal, yet, pornography for adults is legal (most places,) but prostitution isn't (most places?) The baby tumor in an hour before a certain trimester is ok to kill but not an hour, or second, later? The person (there are many) who were bastards or children of rape are valued less than normal children? What about that product who grows up to do great things or have a happy life versus a child born of two parents who becomes a killer or something? I don't know, but it is interesting where/how one, or society, makes demarcations and value judgements. But not everything needs to be a matter of LAW!

[Hog]

We could say that about just about anything, yet somehow we've ended up with all sorts of laws anyway

True.

peace
Hog

[UnscreenedCaller]

The person ... children of rape are valued less than normal children?

To force a woman who has been raped to carry a child of that rape is unconscionable. Pardon me for saying this, but it's very easy for men who have exactly zero chance of that ever  befalling their bodies, who have zero chance of first being raped violently against their will and then forced to carry such a pregnancy to term against their will, it's very easy and glib to say that's ought to be the course of action for women who do experience that. That's making a decision about something that will never happen to you, or physically affect you as a man,  but forcing another to do something that may be both abhorrent and psychologically damaging.

Children of rape are not valued less than other children, but the women who are raped have rights that supercede a mass of cells. That's why there's a morning after pill. It's their choice, and no one else's, what to do with their bodies. And if it's not, then partners,friends and casual acquaintances of men  who wish to receive a vasectomy ought to sign a permission slip, since the gist of this particular argument is that everyone, including those not directly involved, have input into a person's reproductive rights.

[albrecht]

To force a woman who has been raped to carry a child of that rape is unconscionable. Pardon me for saying this, but it's very easy for men who have exactly zero chance of that ever  befalling their bodies, who have zero chance of first being raped violently against their will and then forced to carry such a pregnancy to term against their will, it's very easy and glib to say that's ought to be the course of action for women who do experience that. That's making a decision about something that will never happen to you, or physically affect you as a man,  but forcing another to do something that may be both abhorrent and psychologically damaging.

Children of rape are not valued less than other children, but the women who are raped have rights that supercede a mass of cells. That's why there's a morning after pill. It's their choice, and no one else's, what to do with their bodies. And if it's not, then partners of men who wish to receive a vasectomy ought to sign a permission slip, since the gist of this particular argument is that everyone, including those not directly involved, have input into a person's reproductive rights.

Males are raped all the time. Prison, certain churches, in cases of "sexual emergencies" in public pools by "refugees," family perverts, migrant camps, etc. Though likely less than females and won't become pregnant, of course (which I can't understand since gender is just an identification issue.  ) I understand that position on rape, incest, or whatever. I just wonder where/why/how the lines are drawn (why a certain trimester? Why? Simply because the tumor has grown to some degree a woman shouldn't be able to eliminate it? And if a tumor/mass of cells is born "it" will still need care, feeding, etc and are, compared to many other animals, pretty much helpless. The tumor can be a burden for years. Why can't tumors be eliminated post-birth?

[ge30542]

Remember Ronny & Nancy's position on federal taxpayer money funding abortion in the cases of rape and incest? They asked women to "just say no" to rape and incest.

[albrecht]

Remember Ronny & Nancy's position on federal taxpayer money funding abortion in the cases of rape and incest? They asked women to "just say no" to rape and incest.

A wise policy. Everybody should resist those types of atrocities. And there should be no, or at least very limited, federal funding of anything, even healthcare. (Hey, there is a controversial statement.) Often they can't though. And not still sure why there needs to be another victim, but "whatever." Still interested in the logical reasoning, and your thoughts, behind the age of the tumor and age related things in general? So arbitrary in some cases, 'fuzzy logic' at its best, maybe? Still, not everything needs to be codified or regulated (or funded,) I say, though there is a certain logic that the funding might help, depending on one's views, in some "communities." But I say as long as the border is open and immigration policy remains the abortionist arguments, at least on that theory, is specious.

[MikeJ]

I personally am looking forward to eugenics becoming commonplace. We can enforce mass sterilization and create a new breed of people.  We can take humanity to the next level!  With sterilization, robots and eugenics we can reduce the world's population significantly which will be a boon for the planet.

[MikeJ]

As an added benefit, we will not have to listen to people drone on about the pros and cons of abortion.

[ACE of CLUBS]

Where's bobo ?
Where's Waldo ?

[albrecht]

As an added benefit, we will not have to listen to people drone on about the pros and cons of abortion.

Yeah but then we have the problematic life-spans with tech? (At least of those rich enough or the "right" race/ethnicity once those bioweapons are unleashed?)

[MikeJ]

Yeah but then we have the problematic life-spans with tech? (At least of those rich enough or the "right" race/ethnicity once those bioweapons are unleashed?)

I suppose we could preprogram a self- destruct mechanism to make sure people don't outlive their usefulness and to make room for new generations.

[Walks_At_Night]

I suppose we could preprogram a self- destruct mechanism to make sure people don't outlive their usefulness and to make room for new generations.

Logan's Run - 30 and out man

[MikeJ]

Logan's Run - 30 and out man

Exactly although 30 seems a bit young. Also I prefer some sort of genetic solution so there is no suffering- just a quick death.

[aldousburbank]

I personally am looking forward to eugenics becoming commonplace. We can enforce mass sterilization and create a new breed of people.  We can take humanity to the next level!  With sterilization, robots and eugenics we can reduce the world's population significantly which will be a boon for the planet.

[albrecht]

Exactly although 30 seems a bit young. Also I prefer some sort of genetic solution so their is no suffering- just a quick death.

Oh there is. Expecting that Wasson's stuff was, as Obama would say, JV. Though, as I've speculated for years that a  "better" strategy for the crazy type would be to target water, animal husbandry, and crops so the attack would be "anonymous." Conceivably, certain strains etc could be immune rendering a final "victor" though I also think things would go wrong.

[MikeJ]

Oh there is. Expecting that Wasson's stuff was, as Obama would say, JV. Though, as I've speculated for years that a  "better" strategy for the crazy type would be to target water, animal husbandry, and crops so the attack would be "anonymous." Conceivably, certain strains etc could be immune rendering a final "victor" though I also think things would go wrong.

It does sound intriguing. Certainly worth considering as a quick remedy to our current societal woes.

[MikeJ]

Then we could start fresh.

[albrecht]

Then we could start fresh.

That has always been the goal for the crazies, and some not so crazy, at least in their mind or, more rarely, good intentioned. But with modern tech it could be more realized than simple stuff like new calendars, 'year zeros', camps, mass killings, education, etc.

[21st Century Man]

Abortion is not a top 10 issue for me. I would not call myself pro-choice or pro-life but I would like to see the practice eradicated eventually.  I would also like to see the issue left up to the states.  Let the people decide not justices in black robes.  For the time being though, I would not presume to take away a woman's right to choose even if I think that choice may be wrong on many occasions.  However, please let a surrogate speak on behalf of the baby and its rights when considering the procedure.  It's the right thing to do.  That's my two cents.

[aldousburbank]

That has always been the goal for the crazies, and some not so crazy, at least in their mind or, more rarely, good intentioned. But with modern tech it could be more realized than simple stuff like new calendars, 'year zeros', camps, mass killings, education, etc.

This relates back to my earlier William Cooper, Mystery Babylon posting, in which Cooper claims that population control and hedonistic paradise is the goal of, wait for it... the Illuminati.

http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,5838.msg818476.html#msg818476

[albrecht]

This relates back to my earlier William Cooper, Mystery Babylon posting, in which Cooper claims that population control and hedonistic paradise is the goal of, wait for it... the Illuminati.

http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,5838.msg818476.html#msg818476

Ignoring the associations and, at least apparent crimes, have you read or looked at Springmeier 'bloodlines' book? Interesting. (Again monitored board etc and already likely on lists, like everyone now!, but interesting.)