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Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Philosopher on July 25, 2017, 02:07:27 PM
Maybe he will just recuse himself from the humiliation.


Trump won't like a recuser to recuse himself. It won't be fair.

Philosopher

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on July 25, 2017, 02:08:29 PM

Trump won't like a recuser to recuse himself. It won't be fair.

He should appoint Anne Coulter as AG.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on July 25, 2017, 01:56:51 PM
Ask yourself how much is reasonable, then look up the buying power of the dollar over any period of time you like

If what you're trying to say is the government has never really given us an accurate idea of inflation, I agree. I don't know what that magic number would be but it seems clear to me that a rigid supply side approach just doesn't work for enough people. I think most would prefer a more pragmatic approach that at least aims for the greatest good for the greatest number of people. If you hadn't noticed the free market isn't so free anymore. It's filled with predatory and monopolistic leviathans. I'm looking at you, Jeff Bezos!  ;)

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on July 25, 2017, 01:53:48 PM
... which is why I think a single payer system here is probably an inevitability. Obamacare was a wet kiss to the insurance industry.

Corporate America wants government funded healthcare insurance, so they can stop offering it as an employee benefit.

And if Corporate America wants it, so does Mitch McConnell and the rest of the Rinos.  It's why they didn't defund it and have a budget showdown with Obama when they controlled the House, and then the House and Senate - even though that's what they campaigned on.  Their base doesn't want it, which is why they need to make a show of repealing ObamaCare, but won't do it unless it's replaced with the same.

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on July 25, 2017, 02:05:56 PM
Okay; Can we open a sweep stake how many more hours will Jeff Sessions endure the humiliation from Trump?

An hour? Three?

Anyone who quits a job they like to take one working for Trump is a chump.

Philosopher

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on July 25, 2017, 02:11:58 PM
Anyone who quits a job they like to take one working for Trump is a chump.


"Chumps for Trump"

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on July 25, 2017, 02:11:08 PM
If what you're trying to say is the government has never really given us an accurate idea of inflation, I agree...

That's true, my point was over any timeline going back to at least the inception of the Fed, the rate of inflation has been more than what anyone would consider reasonable.

Philosopher

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on July 25, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
That's true, my point was the rate of inflation has been more than what anyone would consider reasonable.

Except for those becoming rich through the disparity.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on July 25, 2017, 02:11:58 PM
Anyone who quits a job they like to take one working for Trump is a chump.

That is the paradox. Sessions apparently likes his job. The Trumpers think Sessions is the only one actually getting anything done. And apparently Ole Rush has come out supporting Sessions.  ;)

albrecht

Quote from: brig on July 25, 2017, 01:15:48 PM

I agree with this.  Socialism works great in small groups of people in agreement.  There can be multitudes of various different kinds of small socialist groups, each with their own different agreed upon arrangements.  To have an entire World, Country or State controlled by one "government" under one set of arrangements, can never work.  It is anti-freedom in every sense of the word, and takes away the ability for communities to try and compare various different ideas. IMO.
There also needs to be borders and socialism can work in a homogeneous society where there are shared values so that people don't yearn to just be on the dole and there is some shame in doing so or idea that it is a fall-back measure for certain periods in one's life or due to unforeseen circumstance- not as a goal or lifestyle for generations. It also helps, like Norway, to have a crap load of oil&gas to exploit. This idea of the left that we can all get 'free' healthcare, schooling (even to graduate degrees,) and housing with a diverse country, with little shared values (or even language,) and an open-border? Crazy talk.

ps: more and more I'm wondering maybe my initial conspiracy theory of Trump being a Billary plant might be right. Look how he is making the Republicans implode.  ;) :o Hope I'm wrong and there is a deeper game- like set the media off on their witch-hunts and conspiracy theories- and while the Left eats itself over Trump and who has the most value based on oppression and minority status, and trying to find Russians as he appoints more judges, kicks out more illegals, and, hopefully, at least one more Justice.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: SredniVashtar on July 25, 2017, 12:05:13 PM
More discretionary income would lead to increased hiring in time, as the economy picks up. But the right hates this idea because it would increase inflation, so they want a large underclass they can keep economically unproductive while demonizing them at the same time as lazy bastards.

That's precisely what PB and his ilk do. They fail to see that a free-market capitalist society needs minimum wage workers in order for the economy to survive.

Years ago at my first (minimum wage) jobs, rents were roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of our salary. Today, because wages haven't kept up with inflation, it's more like 1/2 to 3/4 of a minimum wage salary. In places like the Bay Area where PB lives (he should know this but he doesn't), rents now exceed an entire month's salary. WTF! I have friends and family members in the restaurant business at large cities around the US,and they all tell me the businesses are suffering because they don't have enough workers to keep the place running. Some restaurants have had to close because of a lack of workers. How the fuck does this help our economy?!

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on July 25, 2017, 12:39:39 PM
That isn't what's going on, and that isn't how things work.

The Left are the ones who need to demonize in order to get their way.  The (only) way to get better wages is to make oneself more valuable by developing job skills - by taking personal responsibility to either get an education in a useful field, or by gaining other useful skills, not by legislation.


Wrong! Things "work" when an economy that's dependent on low-skilled, minimum wage workers pays those workers a living wage.

And again PB, your narrow mind prevents you from recognizing the importance of hard working, low-skilled minimum wage workers in our society. Instead you'd rather demonize them for not moving up to your standards. Fine. The next time you go out to dinner and discover your favorite restaurant closed for business, tough shit. You better see to it that you have family or friends to help you with the daily activities of life when you're sick or old, because the low-skilled minimum wage caregivers you loathe may be in short supply.

 I have heard today that if Trump keeps up this tirade on Sessions,  Mattis and Tillerson will quit their positions.  If the first politician that supported Trump can be treated like this then God knows what he would do to others. That is what I'm hearing.

Trump better get his shit together if he wants people to work for him.

Meanwhile Trump is complaining that Sessions isn't going after Hillary.  If I remember correctly, after the election, Trump said that he would not be going after Hillary.  Bill and Hillary were "good people."  What a two-faced son of a bitch.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: 21st Century Man on July 25, 2017, 03:31:21 PM
I have heard today that if Trump keeps up this tirade on Sessions,  Mattis and Tillerson will quit their positions.  If the first politician that supported Trump can be treated like this then God knows what he would do to others. That is what I'm hearing.

Trump better get his shit together if he wants people to work for him.

FFS. You and I may not agree on much, but you're one of the cleverer ones. Trump is a pathological narcissist who has little knowledge of much and an even smaller desire to learn about much at all. His MO is simple..Love him and do as he wants (but keep on your toes because it could change in five minutes) or go. The fact that the AG, the FBI, the Senate and the Congress are separate to the POTUS is an irrelevance to him. He just wants to be loved and be seen on camera.

albrecht

Quote from: 21st Century Man on July 25, 2017, 03:31:21 PM
I have heard today that if Trump keeps up this tirade on Sessions,  Mattis and Tillerson will quit their positions.  If the first politician that supported Trump can be treated like this then God knows what he would do to others. That is what I'm hearing.

Trump better get his shit together if he wants people to work for him.
Ruh-roh (though certain Trump supporters would likely say that Tillerson with his past and connections are a part of 'system' and he, and others, can take a permanent vacation.)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?431809-1/heather-nauert-briefs-reporters-state-department&live

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on July 25, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
Ruh-roh (though certain Trump supporters would likely say that Tillerson with his past and connections are a part of 'system' and he, and others, can take a permanent vacation.)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?431809-1/heather-nauert-briefs-reporters-state-department&live

Yeah "We never liked him anyway"  ::)

The comments made about Trump replacing the swamp with his own version lost because well, its Trump.

Strange how Trump is whining about Sessions recusing himself now...Maybe its because he knows Mueller is closing in and wanted Sessions to fire Mueller...Surely not! Its shameful that Trump has now implied that Sessions wasn't that important to his campaign anyway..But not surprising. He's a self obsessed cunt, who wants to run the WH like a family business.

starrmtn001

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https://youtu.be/zbq8llVrh7g

Gd5150

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on July 25, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
Yeah "We never liked him anyway"  ::)

The comments made about Trump replacing the swamp with his own version lost because well, its Trump.

Strange how Trump is whining about Sessions recusing himself now...Maybe its because he knows Mueller is closing in and wanted Sessions to fire Mueller...Surely not! Its shameful that Trump has now implied that Sessions wasn't that important to his campaign anyway..But not surprising. He's a self obsessed cunt, who wants to run the WH like a family business.

Yeah Trump must be worried the 437 investigations and 10,00000000000 illegal wire taps have potentially unearthed the 1st piece of evidence. Evidence of what we have no idea as there's no parameters on what they're even looking for. 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
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Nothing like "the state" deciding it's going to investigate your entire life and everyone you've ever know with no just cause, no evidence, no warrants. Just empty accusations. Good times! More Nazi Germany please!

Quote from: Yorkshire Pud on July 25, 2017, 03:38:28 PM
FFS. You and I may not agree on much, but you're one of the cleverer ones. Trump is a pathological narcissist who has little knowledge of much and an even smaller desire to learn about much at all. His MO is simple..Love him and do as he wants (but keep on your toes because it could change in five minutes) or go. The fact that the AG, the FBI, the Senate and the Congress are separate to the POTUS is an irrelevance to him. He just wants to be loved and be seen on camera.

I thank you for the compliment, Pud.  I feel the same way about you even though we disagree for the most part politically.  The place wouldn't be the same without you and I mean that sincerely.

ACE of CLUBS

Trump ..... narcissistic gasbag.
Are you American folks embarrassed by your choice for President ?

I'm embarrassed by our choice for Prime Minister ...
Trudeau 'light' .......

starrmtn001

President Trump's Speech @ Saluting American Heroes Event In Ohio 7/25/17.


https://youtu.be/2QBc47m7ln4

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 25, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
That's precisely what PB and his ilk do. They fail to see that a free-market capitalist society needs minimum wage workers in order for the economy to survive...

Wrong! Things "work" when an economy that's dependent on low-skilled, minimum wage workers pays those workers a living wage.

And again PB, your narrow mind prevents you from recognizing the importance of hard working, low-skilled minimum wage workers in our society. Instead you'd rather demonize them for not moving up to your standards. Fine...

Yes, we need workers at all levels.  What we don't need are people trying to spend their entire lives in an entry level position, and sponging off the taxpayers because they start families and can't support them on it.


Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 25, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
... Years ago at my first (minimum wage) jobs, rents were roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of our salary. Today, because wages haven't kept up with inflation, it's more like 1/2 to 3/4 of a minimum wage salary. In places like the Bay Area where PB lives (he should know this but he doesn't), rents now exceed an entire month's salary. WTF! I have friends and family members in the restaurant business at large cities around the US,and they all tell me the businesses are suffering because they don't have enough workers to keep the place running. Some restaurants have had to close because of a lack of workers. How the fuck does this help our economy?!...

The reason entry level wages haven't risen for decades, is because we've had more immigrants than the economy can absorb over the same time period, so everyone will few or no job skills undercut each other for minimum wage jobs.  Don't blame the businesses for that.

As far as your restaurateur friends, aren't you sort of contradicting yourself?  If you all agree wages are ''too low'', and that's what's keeping them from finding anyone to hire, try suggesting they offer more pay (duh), and they'll have no problem getting people - perhaps your imaginary friends are unaware they are allowed to pay more than minimum?

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on July 25, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
... Fine. The next time you go out to dinner and discover your favorite restaurant closed for business, tough shit...

Hasn't happened yet - I very rarely go to the overpriced lousy places everyone else seems to like (do people still have taste buds?  seriously) - but if it did there are plenty others.  Have you even been to Berkeley or Oakland, I can't even keep up with all the fantastic little cafes that pop up (and stay open)?


Quote from: 21st Century Man on July 25, 2017, 03:31:21 PM
I have heard today that if Trump keeps up this tirade on Sessions,  Mattis and Tillerson will quit their positions.  If the first politician that supported Trump can be treated like this then God knows what he would do to others. That is what I'm hearing.

Trump better get his shit together if he wants people to work for him.

It's time for him to go.

He was not an unknown.  Didn't everyone know - for decades - what a dumb, shallow, egomaniac he is?  There are actually still people talking about how smart he is, what a good idea his juvenile tweets are, and all the rest.

I have no problem with a non-politician seeking higher office, and having an unorthodox style.  But when they don't really know anything, or have the skill set necessary for the job, and won't hire advisors who do - and listen to them, it's not going to work.  When the unorthodox style is counterproductive, it isn't as asset.

He's lost a lot of support with his treatment of Sessions.  I suppose it won't matter to the dumb clods like MV who have been touting him for several years.

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on July 25, 2017, 04:54:41 PM
Trump ..... narcissistic gasbag.
Are you American folks embarrassed by your choice for President ?

I'm embarrassed by our choice for Prime Minister ...
Trudeau 'light' .......

I'm embarrassed the choice was between Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump.  We still picked the right one between the two

The Snorchlax

PB knocking it out of the park

Thanks

Quote from: SredniVashtar on July 25, 2017, 02:06:54 PM
Yes, unions are on the left. Breaking News.

So where are all these brilliant programmes to fight poverty that the right has? Did they fall down the back of the couch? Let me guess, 'leave everyone alone, and let the losers starve'.

Um, the point of the post wasn't that the unions support the Ds, it was that the real reason the Ds are pushing for a higher minimum wage is because union contracts are tied to it, and union wages go up if the minimum wage increases.

That's the thing about the Democrat Party, at least the leaders.  Its always Party First for them.  They don't give a hoot about the poor or anyone else, but they understand they need to spin everything that way to appeal to their base and gain support for their agenda.

Up All Night

As the debate over the repeal and replacement of Obamacare drags on into another week, Senator Rand Paul has spoken out against GOP leaders, saying that they are not giving conservatives anything they have asked for.

“Conservatives are getting squat” Paul said in an interview with Fox & Friends:

Senator Paul also stated that there is “probably nobody in Congress more for repealing and replacing all of ObamaCare” than he is.

“I campaigned on it … but what they’re putting forward isn’t repeal and it becomes a huge insurance bailout,” Paul exclaimed.

Paul said he needs “at least assurance we’re going to have one vote on what conservatives promised, which was a clean repeal of Obamacare.”

Gd5150

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on July 25, 2017, 06:54:54 PM
Um, the point of the post wasn't that the unions support the Ds, it was that the real reason the Ds are pushing for a higher minimum wage is because union contracts are tied to it, and union wages go up if the minimum wage increases.

That's the thing about the Democrat Party, at least the leaders.  Its always Party First for them.  They don't give a hoot about the poor or anyone else, but they understand they need to spin everything that way to appeal to their base and gain support for their agenda.

Yep. It's the whole reason Gov Brown was opposed to $15 minimum wage and then signed it into law a month later after his closed door meeting with the CA labor unions. They run this state.

"Perhaps unions are motivated by wanting to do whats best for workers, and believe the studies showing that minimum wage hikes don’t cause jobs. But then why do they ask to be exempt from the same minimum wage hikes that the push? Like when the LA AFL-CIO pushed for their $15 minimum wage, and then tried to get an amendment to exempt unions."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2016/08/30/unions-and-the-minimum-wage/#ac735123b053



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