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Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2012, 07:12:57 PM »
I'm not against pot. It's not for everybody. One thing you never see these Pot Witnesses mentioning is that night they were just chilling and passed that girl, or guy a joint and the next thing they knew the person was in the hospital...

Every once in awhile there is an article about some school kids going on a field trip.  When they get there they leave the bus driver with their lunches and backpacks.  As soon as they are out of sight, said driver goes thru the lunches looking for candy and potato chips, inevitably comes across a baggie of brownies... eats the whole bag of them, 20 minutes later have no idea what's happening to them, need to be rushed to the hospital, always a great story, fun to read and laff at these fools...
 
...I've never heard anybody say "You just got a bad Beer"

I've had a bad beer.  Coors, Bud, Miller, any of that light yellow carbonated pisswater...

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2012, 07:18:00 PM »
Now we are at loggerheads. Many people self medicate. A majority of medical professionals and therapists endorse most drug abuse is an attempt to calm certain mental issues. Including anxiety, confusion, high distractibility, and depression. And it makes sense.

Lots of people are lucky enough to not have some nagging inner presence that makes daily life intolerable. It also makes it very difficult to understand those that do.

It isn't a lack of character that makes people unable to cope. By and large coping skills are behaviors people learn to handle both inner and outer conflicts. And as always it's complicated.

Couldn't agree more and great post.

As to weed and paranoia, I normally don't like the experience of low quality weed, but with the quality stuff you can get these days, I experience no paranoia or other negative effects.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2012, 07:34:26 PM »
Ohhh yes the new age "I only smoke high quality organic weed from a very reputable dealer. I knew that one was coming 5 seconds after I hit post.

BTW I smoked pot with Jesse Ventura and Jim The Anvil in a cab once. I also took them to a bar that the group bought out for the night. I got to listen to Bobby Heenan discuss with Vince Mcmahon  his wish to go out as a good guy because as he was walking through the audience that night, some little old lady had stabbed him with a fork as he walked by...lol. True Story!


Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2012, 08:25:11 PM »
Ohhh yes the new age "I only smoke high quality organic weed from a very reputable dealer. I knew that one was coming 5 seconds after I hit post.

Do you disagree that there's a significant difference between shwag and hydroponic grown strain? BTW, I'm by no means a heavy smoker, or a connoisseur, and only have some a few times a year, so I'm no pot activist.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2012, 09:04:10 PM »
Do you disagree that there's a significant difference between shwag and hydroponic grown strain? BTW, I'm by no means a heavy smoker, or a connoisseur, and only have some a few times a year, so I'm no pot activist.

The best way to describe what higher levels of THC do to somebody susceptible to a bad reaction is to compare it to Ritalin.

In most people, you give them Ritalin they're up for three days straight! But a person with hyperactivity it actually overloads they're system,  not really calming them down, but actually exhausting the hyper part of their brain, almost making them..zombie, half awake. It's the craziest use of a drug ever, its long term damages the brain and kidneys. They've discovered a better diet will help these people immensely.

Same thing here, THC normally calms people "mellows them out" but in some people it increase anxiety, and paranoia...in varying doses. This is why some people smoke for years perfectly fine and all of a sudden boom paranoia! They've hit that dosage that messes them up. The high doses seem to overload the panic reaction. So yes, a lot less people have that initial panic attack..but tons of people are experiencing the paranoid reaction...and in longer stretches. The stuff stays in your system.

I have to go to work...but remember I'm not here to condemn pot, just to stop the idea it will make lepricans fly out of your butt granting your every wish.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2012, 09:28:00 PM »
The best way to describe what higher levels of THC do to somebody susceptible to a bad reaction is to compare it to Ritalin.

In most people, you give them Ritalin they're up for three days straight! But a person with hyperactivity it actually overloads they're system,  not really calming them down, but actually exhausting the hyper part of their brain, almost making them..zombie, half awake. It's the craziest use of a drug ever, its long term damages the brain and kidneys. They've discovered a better diet will help these people immensely.

Same thing here, THC normally calms people "mellows them out" but in some people it increase anxiety, and paranoia...in varying doses. This is why some people smoke for years perfectly fine and all of a sudden boom paranoia! They've hit that dosage that messes them up. The high doses seem to overload the panic reaction. So yes, a lot less people have that initial panic attack..but tons of people are experiencing the paranoid reaction...and in longer stretches. The stuff stays in your system.

I have to go to work...but remember I'm not here to condemn pot, just to stop the idea it will make lepricans fly out of your butt granting your every wish.

If your position is that excessive use isn't good, that's a no-brainer; it's true of anything.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2012, 09:49:19 PM »
... Same thing here, THC normally calms people "mellows them out" but in some people it increase anxiety, and paranoia...in varying doses. This is why some people smoke for years perfectly fine and all of a sudden boom paranoia! They've hit that dosage that messes them up. The high doses seem to overload the panic reaction. So yes, a lot less people have that initial panic attack..but tons of people are experiencing the paranoid reaction...and in longer stretches. The stuff stays in your system..

I've smoked my share over the years, off and on, not straight thru.  I had enormous paranoia the first few times - my buddies told me it was 'normal' and to stay with it - no paranoia since.  And no, I can't drive baked, other people seem just fine.
 
I think these side effects are different for everyone.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2012, 10:19:10 PM »
Do you disagree that there's a significant difference between shwag and hydroponic grown strain? BTW, I'm by no means a heavy smoker, or a connoisseur, and only have some a few times a year, so I'm no pot activist.
I'll take anything at this point, been without a supplier for a couple months.  This thread is causing me to jones! 


Any coastgabbers in Htown able to hook a fellow up  ::) ?


Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2012, 11:05:59 PM »
...but remember I'm not here to condemn pot, just to stop the idea it will make lepricans fly out of your butt granting your every wish.


Ahhh, and I was looking forward to seeing that on Youtube.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2012, 11:13:26 PM »
Heh, George is going to see this and tell the audience 'thuh haters' are a bunch of stoners

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2012, 11:27:47 PM »
 
        Coyle is hazarding a guess that any thread with the title "Marijuana Guy" has the potential to reach 100 pages.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2012, 11:28:16 PM »
Heh, George is going to see this and tell the audience 'thuh haters' are a bunch of stoners


you think so?



Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2012, 12:24:50 AM »
In my younger stoner days, I bought 2 ounces a week, sold one and smoked the other.  Every week.  For years.  I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, and pot definitely had an overall negative effect on my life.  For one thing, I was an ADDICT.  If you smoke pot everyday, and jones for it when you don't have it, you are an addict too.  For another thing, it's still illegal as hell and you can go to jail for it.   For another thing, you have unrealistic ideas about everything when you're high all the time. 

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2012, 01:20:18 AM »
I'll take anything at this point, been without a supplier for a couple months.  This thread is causing me to jones! 


Any coastgabbers in Htown able to hook a fellow up  ::) ?

         Go to California and get a paper cut or ingrown toenail. Then you can get hooked up on the medical shit.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2012, 01:51:35 AM »

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2012, 02:10:36 AM »
The best way to describe what higher levels of THC do to somebody susceptible to a bad reaction is to compare it to Ritalin.

In most people, you give them Ritalin they're up for three days straight! But a person with hyperactivity it actually overloads they're system,  not really calming them down, but actually exhausting the hyper part of their brain, almost making them..zombie, half awake. It's the craziest use of a drug ever, its long term damages the brain and kidneys. They've discovered a better diet will help these people immensely.

Same thing here, THC normally calms people "mellows them out" but in some people it increase anxiety, and paranoia...in varying doses. This is why some people smoke for years perfectly fine and all of a sudden boom paranoia! They've hit that dosage that messes them up. The high doses seem to overload the panic reaction. So yes, a lot less people have that initial panic attack..but tons of people are experiencing the paranoid reaction...and in longer stretches. The stuff stays in your system.

I have to go to work...but remember I'm not here to condemn pot, just to stop the idea it will make lepricans fly out of your butt granting your every wish.

I don't want to get all techy here, But better diet is a no brainer for overall better health.Iit isn't anywhere near the first step in treating ADHD; and to suggest that puts one squarely in the hack dept. Suggesting a better diet to treat ADHD is akin to suggesting better shoes will help someone with broken legs. Eventually shoes may give more comfort and support to a person's legs, but at the moment of injury not even close.

And long term use isn't the scarey scenario presented either.


Long-term ADHD drug use appears safe

Brain development not affected, Wake Forest Baptist research shows

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"Our study showed that long-term therapeutic use of drugs to treat ADHD does not cause long-term negative effects on the developing brain, and importantly, it doesn't put children at risk for substance abuse later in adolescence," she said.


Granted both THC or Ritalin may have paradoxical effects, but so does benadryl, codeine, and a myriad of others.

I don't know what kind of "counseling" you do but your objectivity is suspect.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2012, 02:25:58 AM »
LOLOLOLOLOLOL One of those every drug is perfectly ok and here i pulled a sentance out of the air to prove my point guys, huh?

Sigh i'm arguing with an idiot but here goes...lets look at what the FDA, not some stoner bitch says, but what the MOTHER FUCKIN FDA  puts on every box of Ritalin,,,

Give cautiously to patients with history of drug dependence or alcoholism. Chronic abuse can cause marked tolerance and psychological dependence with abnormal behavior. Frank psychotic episodes may occur, especially with parenteral abuse. Supervise carefully during withdrawal from abusive use, as severe depression may occur. Withdrawal after prolonged therapeutic use may unmask symptoms of underlying disorder, possibly requiring follow-up.






Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2012, 02:31:55 AM »
Sativa = regs (too much can make you unmotivated, sluggish, nervous and self concious)
Indica = KB (happy go lucky high no matter how much you smoke)

following from wikipedia:
Difference between Cannabis indica and Cannabis sativa


Types of Cannabis
Cannabis indica may have a CBD:THC ratio 45 times that of Cannabis sativa. Cannabis strains with relatively high CBD:THC ratios are less likely to induce anxiety than vice versa. This may be due to CBD's antagonistic effects at the cannabinoid receptors, compared to THC's partial agonist effect. CBD is also a 5-HT1A receptor agonist, which may also contribute to an anxiolytic effect.[56] This likely means the high concentrations of CBD found in Cannabis indica mitigate the anxiogenic effect of THC significantly.[56] The effects of sativa are well known for its cerebral high, hence used daytime as medical cannabis, while indica are well known for its sedative effects and preferred night time as medical cannabis.[56]

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2012, 02:35:42 AM »
LOLOLOLOLOLOL One of those every drug is perfectly ok and here i pulled a sentance out of the air to prove my point guys, huh?

Sigh i'm arguing with an idiot but here goes...lets look at what the FDA, not some stoner bitch says, but what the MOTHER FUCKIN FDA  puts on every box of Ritalin,,,

Give cautiously to patients with history of drug dependence or alcoholism. Chronic abuse can cause marked tolerance and psychological dependence with abnormal behavior. Frank psychotic episodes may occur, especially with parenteral abuse. Supervise carefully during withdrawal from abusive use, as severe depression may occur. Withdrawal after prolonged therapeutic use may unmask symptoms of underlying disorder, possibly requiring follow-up.

Since there are no quotations I have to assume you are referring to my post.

The hospital I work at has 4 units that treat adolescents and latency children. We have a large number of of ODD and ADHD diagnoses. Often Ritalin is used, I can assure you diet is not the first measure of treatment. I can also assure you that long term use and effects are also considered. And if you had any experience with the FDA and clinical research at all you would not so quickly pull a bullet point as your major argument.

but the lolololololol is a very good arguing point... I got nothing to refute there.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2012, 02:35:55 AM »

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #80 on: September 11, 2012, 03:00:49 AM »
I'm done with you, you showed me in 2 seconds flat what you're about...now of course you work at a hospitol..

It's the old..as a NASA employee I...

Anybody, anybody at all involved in ADHD treatment has heard about the studies in diet to treat ADHD...but a janitor wouldn't.

You Google ADHD DIET you get a bunch.

ANYBODY involved in ADHD knows Ritalin is considered a stone age treatment, a very harmful treatment, an avoid at all cost treatment. It says right on the side of the fucking bottle prolonged treatment can turn your child into a psychological dependence with abnormal behavior. Yeah..give my fucking kid that, please!

Yup parents are just lining up to turn their kid into Dexter!

You proudly declare you're working at a hospitol that's writing Ritalin scripts all day long, huh? A...you're fucking liar, B you're so toked up and self confident you don't realize how stupid this sounds.

Go back to arguing about how bigfoot date raped you or something.

TAKE A FEW MORE TOKES..

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2012, 03:45:09 AM »
I'm done with you, you showed me in 2 seconds flat what you're about...now of course you work at a hospitol..

It's the old..as a NASA employee I...

Anybody, anybody at all involved in ADHD treatment has heard about the studies in diet to treat ADHD...but a janitor wouldn't.

You Google ADHD DIET you get a bunch.

ANYBODY involved in ADHD knows Ritalin is considered a stone age treatment, a very harmful treatment, an avoid at all cost treatment. It says right on the side of the fucking bottle prolonged treatment can turn your child into a psychological dependence with abnormal behavior. Yeah..give my fucking kid that, please!

Yup parents are just lining up to turn their kid into Dexter!

You proudly declare you're working at a hospitol that's writing Ritalin scripts all day long, huh? A...you're fucking liar, B you're so toked up and self confident you don't realize how stupid this sounds.

Go back to arguing about how bigfoot date raped you or something.

TAKE A FEW MORE TOKES..

Well as I push my broom and get the gum off the floor I still know that just because there are many sites on the internet about diet and ADHD it doesn't mean they are the standard for treatment. I mean if it is number of sites maybe porn is the answer. However you are right; if you type in ADHD and diet you do get lots of hits. The significant ones Like the Mayo clinic make the statement:

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What does the research say about the relationship between food additives and ADHD?

Answer
from John E. Huxsahl, M.D.

There's no evidence that food additives cause attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), but some studies show that certain food colorings and preservatives may increase hyperactive behavior in some children. Because several studies have looked at a combination of food additives and their possible effects on hyperactivity and ADHD, it isn't clear which additives might affect behavior.

Here is what the Harvard Medical School has to say:

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http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2009/June/Diet-and-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder

Can some food additives or nutrients affect symptoms? The jury is still out.

Diet alone probably isn't the driving force behind the multiple behavioral and cognitive symptoms that plague children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). But several studies have renewed interest in whether certain foods and additives might affect particular symptoms in a subset of children with ADHD.

All of the qualifiers in the previous sentence are intentional. Traditional research finds no support for radical diets like the Feingold diet which eliminates nearly all processed foods as well as many fruits and vegetables for the majority of children with ADHD. And there is no easy way to identify the few children who might benefit from diets that prohibit particular foods.

I also don't smoke marijuana, for more than 30 years, no altered states of being.

And I am not sure what you mean by proudly. Most medications have concerns. It comes down to what is better for the patient. Perhaps the patients you are aware of are not in need of that level of treatment. I have no way of knowing but I do know that the hysteria surrounding Ritalin has done more harm than good.

I never worked at NASA...

Just so you know I see many patients referred that have been on Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids, I still see the concern for artificial colors and artificial sweeteners. I do not mean to suggest those issues aren't concerning but they aren't the stabilizing answers you suggest.

ADHD is a large bag of symptoms. One thing that has been neglected in this rather terse discussion is parental influence/interaction. Before putting diet as the main contributor to behaviors the main source should be looked at. Which is, coping skills of parents and their behaviors.




Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2012, 04:17:31 AM »
Sativa = regs (too much can make you unmotivated, sluggish, nervous and self concious)
Indica = KB (happy go lucky high no matter how much you smoke)



Where I live (an island with a shitty climate for growing pot*) we mostly get hash rather than weed. When we get that supposedly high quality weed trickling down, it's like a bunch of occasional beer drinkers suddenly guzzling pints of vodka.
Paranoid? Ha. Try full-on psychotic episodes. I've seen some really bizarre behaviour I'd more expect from meth-heads. People going into rehab- REHAB!! from smoking that shit. No thanks, I'll stick to good old Morrocan with a cup of strong coffee, and some semblance of sanity.
 
*our mushrooms are second to none, though!

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2012, 04:52:57 AM »
Optiflex, with respect, you're arguing with the wrong guy. Onan knows his shit.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2012, 04:56:58 AM »
I'll try to dumb my post down to your quotation levels

USING one of your own cut and pastes!

from John E. Huxsahl, M.D.

"some studies show that certain food colorings and preservatives may increase hyperactive behavior in some children."

Harvard says...

"But several studies have renewed interest in whether certain foods and additives might affect particular symptoms in a subset of children with ADHD."


I'm thinking..maybe limiting exposure to food colorings and preservatives might help?  But that's very suspect. According to the head Janitor here!

Now go find your fucking quote about better shoes helping broken legs, why dontcha you?

You gotta love a guy who throws up supportive posts to the other sides contention , but then somehow continues arguing on some sort of " I don't feel you were 100 percent right, so that makes you 100 percent wrong..nahhhha nhaaa

What an airhead.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2012, 05:00:18 AM »
I'll try to dumb my post down to your quotation levels

USING one of your own cut and pastes!

from John E. Huxsahl, M.D.

"some studies show that certain food colorings and preservatives may increase hyperactive behavior in some children."

Mayo Clinic says...

"But several studies have renewed interest in whether certain foods and additives might affect particular symptoms in a subset of children with ADHD."


I'm thinking..maybe limiting exposure to food colorings and preservatives might help?  But that's very suspect. According to the head Janitor here!

Now go find your fucking quote about better shoes helping broken legs, why dontcha you?

You gotta love a guy who throws up supportive posts to the other sides contention , but then somehow continues arguing on some sort of " I don't feel you were 100 percent right, so that makes you 100 percent wrong..nahhhha nhaaa

What an airhead.

Well, you got me there. Diet is all you need. good luck with that.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2012, 05:28:12 AM »
Optiflex, with respect, you're arguing with the wrong guy. Onan knows his shit.

We have a phrase here that describes guys like Onan "Educated beyond their intelligence"

Anybody can sit there all day long Googling and cut and pasting..finding websites that support whatever wacked out stance they take..you want a website that says eating donkey shit cures impotence..you can find it, it doesn't make it right, but you can find one.

But in this case he didn't, he actually quoted Harvard and The Mayo clinic supporting the post he attacked, but not 100 percent, so he rationalized not getting a 100 on my part meant I lost...that's an idiot...look it up..there's a picture of Gonan!


You want me fill these boards for 4 days with cut and pastes about the harmful side effects of Ritalin? I can, there's thousands! like this...

Harmful Effects of Ritalin
Sep 28, 2010 | By Aironius French
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Ritalin is a brand-name prescription drug that was brought to market by the pharmaceutical company, Novartis. The active ingredient in Ritalin is methylphenidate, which is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to treat hyperactivity, narcolepsy and attention deficit disorder, according to Drugs.com. RxList.com notes that methlphenidate is a central nervous system stimulant prescribed to millions of U.S. school-age children that carries the potential for harmful effects.
Addiction and Dependency

Ritalin is an amphetamine-like stimulant classified as a schedule II substance. Ritalin is similar in chemical structure, metabolization and clinical effect to amphetamines and cocaine. A 2001 study published in the journal "Experimental and Clinical Psychopharmacology" concluded that physiological effects of oral cocaine and methylphenidate in Ritalin were similar. Consequently, Ritalin is considered addictive and often produces effects similar to that of "speed" in some users, despite the fact that it is intended to calm children down.

Now get this Onun quoted some female from a college saying drug treatments for ADHD were non addictive, when I read that I said who would say that? So I went searching for it...he cropped the quote, it wasn't talking about Ritalin..so yeah he knows how TO LIE

In fact, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency issued a warning for all methylphenidate products, and stated Ritalin has a high potential for abuse and may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence (Reference 4). For these reasons, Ritalin has become a commonly abused street drug by both children and adults, who usually snort or inject it. Tolerance to methylphenidate can be built up over time, which means the user needs to take larger doses to achieve the same effect and might depend on methylphenidate just to function normally.
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Insomnia

Ritalin is also marketed to those who suffer from extreme day-time sleepiness and have sudden episodes of dozing off, which is called narcolepsy. Not surprisingly, when given to children for hyperactivity or attention deficit issues who do not have narcolepsy, a common harmful effect is insomnia and disrupted sleep patterns, as noted by RxList. Part of the "zombie-like" behavior of children on Ritalin is from chronic insomnia.
Nervousness

Another common harmful effect of Ritalin is feelings of nervousness. Drugs.com adds that similar feelings might also occur and be described as agitation, anxiety, irritability, depression, restlessness and even irrational aggression.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/249375-harmful-effects-of-ritalin/#ixzz269fB7XmJ



Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2012, 05:32:22 AM »




 agitation, anxiety, irritability, depression, restlessness and even irrational aggression.



jus' sayin...

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2012, 05:51:44 AM »
Well, you got me there. Diet is all you need. good luck with that.

I never said it was, but nice attempt to change the argument...very practiced Onun . You back peddle a lot, I can tell.

Now go get your fucking quote about how better shoes help broken legs and I won't start psycho analyzing and hypothesizing why some little bitch kid would feel the need to try act like he's a world renowned expert on anything.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2012, 05:53:01 AM »
Bob take your exact same IP as Onun and shove it in the ass 2 feet from you