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Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2012, 04:23:01 PM »
Soo true.  I've worked on the incoming end of the phone lines for a few companies that pull the small print subscription crap.  Companies like that have people that are called "retention" specialists and they are the people that will try to get you to stay on with their product for another month or two... they'll even give you a free couple months so long as you've forgotten to unsubscribe and they can bang your CC again that third month. Sad thing is normally these companies are protected since when you signed up for the subscription that weren't told about you signed some paper work that explained just that.  Nobody has to tell you shit as long as you give em your CC and fail to read the small print.  Amazing...

I'll always be pro-weed for as long as I live but it really is a personal choice just like anything else.  I'm sure it's carcinogenic I mean cmon now its fucking smoke.  I still think that's its benefits outweigh the risks... wish I could sign up for a monthly subscription of cannabis.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2012, 01:24:40 AM »
FBI's old description of drivers high on marijuana: driving at or below the speed limit, obeying all traffic laws.

I drive high all the time. I'm a damn good driver, too. I've driven in torrential downpours, blizzards, dust storms, windy coastal roads, pitch-black desert highways high as a kite. And I fucking rocked 'em.

I work two jobs, seven days a week. Before the recession I spent ten years working for a great business, started out answering phones & worked my way up to graphic designer. And I was fucking baked the whole time.

I'm probably more active than you, too. I walk miles every single day. I hike and bike. I'll bike the entire day and I'll stop to puff a bowl while I wait for your ass to catch up.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2012, 04:24:50 AM »
FBI's old description of drivers high on marijuana: driving at or below the speed limit, obeying all traffic laws.

I drive high all the time. I'm a damn good driver, too. I've driven in torrential downpours, blizzards, dust storms, windy coastal roads, pitch-black desert highways high as a kite. And I fucking rocked 'em.

I work two jobs, seven days a week. Before the recession I spent ten years working for a great business, started out answering phones & worked my way up to graphic designer. And I was fucking baked the whole time.

I'm probably more active than you, too. I walk miles every single day. I hike and bike. I'll bike the entire day and I'll stop to puff a bowl while I wait for your ass to catch up.

Post of the year so far.


Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2012, 04:43:15 AM »
I am pro marijuana use... all across the board. But to believe one is better driving while high falls into one of two categories.

1. while sober, a person's anxiety is so extreme they are a danger to self and others with any implement.

2. (the most likely answer) you are delusional or irrational in your desire to be right.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2012, 09:22:26 AM »
I am pro marijuana use... all across the board. But to believe one is better driving while high falls into one of two categories.

1. while sober, a person's anxiety is so extreme they are a danger to self and others with any implement.

2. (the most likely answer) you are delusional or irrational in your desire to be right.

I'm not aiming this at you Onan, just using your thoughtful post as a starting point for additional comments.

Very respectfully, I'm not sure why anyone would be pro marijuana use.  Debate on the topic is filled with self-delusion that needs to be checked against real and proven problems (health and social effects) associated with marijuana use.  I am not going to start another anti-pot conversation as many on this forum apparently treat it as a staple of their daily lives.  It is too easy to buy pot and be oblivious to the trail of crime and violence that led up to you getting access to it.  Likewise, the psychological dependency clouds the effect one might be having on family or friends.  Like alcohol, it is a very selfish dependency at any level.  Children being exposed to it at home is utterly shameful and should be regarded as a much more serious offense.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2012, 10:00:41 AM »
I have to say, as a former broadcaster, that those Purity infomercials are brilliantly written and executed.  The talent sounds, for the most part, like they are just talking, but the words they use are very carefully chosen to avoid FDA problems - thus, I suspect a script.

For instance, they don't say Super CoQ75 cures anything - they say it "supports" your immune system.  Meaningless.


So true.   Drinking water "supports" your immune system too.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2012, 10:17:11 AM »
I'm not aiming this at you Onan, just using your thoughtful post as a starting point for additional comments.

Very respectfully, I'm not sure why anyone would be pro marijuana use.  Debate on the topic is filled with self-delusion that needs to be checked against real and proven problems (health and social effects) associated with marijuana use.  I am not going to start another anti-pot conversation as many on this forum apparently treat it as a staple of their daily lives.  It is too easy to buy pot and be oblivious to the trail of crime and violence that led up to you getting access to it.  Likewise, the psychological dependency clouds the effect one might be having on family or friends.  Like alcohol, it is a very selfish dependency at any level.  Children being exposed to it at home is utterly shameful and should be regarded as a much more serious offense.
Very respectfully, I'm not sure why anyone would be pro alcohol use.  Debate on the topic is filled with self-delusion that needs to be checked against real and proven problems (health and social effects) associated with alcohol use.  I am not going to start another anti-booze conversation as many on this forum apparently treat it as a staple of their daily lives.  It is too easy to buy beer and be oblivious to the trail of crime and violence that led up to you getting access to it.  Likewise, the psychological dependency clouds the effect one might be having on family or friends.  Like marijuana, it is a very selfish dependency at any level.  Children being exposed to it at home is utterly shameful and should be regarded as a much more serious offense.

We tried alcohol prohibition and it failed miserably. Our current nearly 100-year-old jihad against marijuana is a total failure too.

At the end of the day, though, it isn't about weed. It's about liberty. You control freaks don't get to decide what I ingest.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2012, 10:28:16 AM »
I'm not aiming this at you Onan, just using your thoughtful post as a starting point for additional comments.

Very respectfully, I'm not sure why anyone would be pro marijuana use.  Debate on the topic is filled with self-delusion that needs to be checked against real and proven problems (health and social effects) associated with marijuana use.  I am not going to start another anti-pot conversation as many on this forum apparently treat it as a staple of their daily lives.  It is too easy to buy pot and be oblivious to the trail of crime and violence that led up to you getting access to it.  Likewise, the psychological dependency clouds the effect one might be having on family or friends.  Like alcohol, it is a very selfish dependency at any level.  Children being exposed to it at home is utterly shameful and should be regarded as a much more serious offense.

Because I posted it after awakening and obviously wasn't fully awake. To clarify, and it is a small clarification. I think drug laws are ineffective and we spend way too much time and money incarcerating drug users.

What I meant to say was I am pro-legalizing the use of marijuana. That is a small, if any, different position to what I wrote (gah I am starting to feel all dirty and slimy... like a politician). As a mental health care professional, I am not too keen on the use of any intoxicating agent.

I too am willing to have any discussion on this. But the real discussion here is about the appropriate use of marijuana. Driving under the influence of anything is a danger. To set the base of discussion, operating a vehicle is dangerous. that is why there is a licensing before it is legal to drive.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2012, 10:28:45 AM »
I don't take a stand on whether any intoxicant should be legal or illegal.   I do however, believe in promoting knowledge about the intoxicant.  I find too many pot users who defend it as a deity.

The argument about alcohol being just as dangerous (probably more dangerous) and legal as opposed to the illegality of pot is valid, but peripheral to the point.  The effects of pot should be viewed as soberly as the effects of alcohol.  And, keep it away from kids.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2012, 10:30:17 AM »
I don't take a stand on whether any intoxicant should be legal or illegal.   I do however, believe in promoting knowledge about the intoxicant.  I find too many pot users who defend it as a deity.

The argument about alcohol being just as dangerous (probably more dangerous) and legal as opposed to the illegality of pot is valid, but peripheral to the point.  The effects of pot should be viewed as soberly as the effects of alcohol.  And, keep it away from kids.

Only someone who is high would attempt to argue with that.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2012, 02:23:18 PM »
It is too easy to buy pot and be oblivious to the trail of crime and violence that led up to you getting access to it.  Likewise, the psychological dependency clouds the effect one might be having on family or friends.  Like alcohol, it is a very selfish dependency at any level.  Children being exposed to it at home is utterly shameful and should be regarded as a much more serious offense.

Sorry, but this point of view is  little ignorant.  I don't mean any offense by that, but it's seems more informed by sensationalist news than anything real life.  Listen to some Joe Rogan, buddy  ;)  I mean, most growers here in CA are guilty of tax evasion (maybe), but violent crime?  No, not at all.  That's TV, but it's not reality.  And I know an awful lot of people who are literally "outstanding members of the community", who will have a  single beer with dinner in front of their children.  No problem here.  Again, and in reality, marijuana is no different when used responsibly.  Passing on "reefer madness" era propaganda to your kids, or b.s. of any sort, probably isn't in their best interest.  What happens is inevitable; they find out that life isn't anything like you told them, and they never trust you again.  :'(

I should add that, I'm not in favor of exposing kids to anything harmful, second hand smoke included.  But c'mon now...  Who's giving pot to their kids?  No one.  Who's even smoking in the same room as their kids?  Not many people I know.  In reality, this is a non issue.  Perhaps it's something snoory worries about.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2012, 03:11:22 PM »
Sorry, but this point of view is  little ignorant.  I don't mean any offense by that, but it's seems more informed by sensationalist news than anything real life.  Listen to some Joe Rogan, buddy  ;)  I mean, most growers here in CA are guilty of tax evasion (maybe), but violent crime?  No, not at all.  That's TV, but it's not reality.  And I know an awful lot of people who are literally "outstanding members of the community", who will have a  single beer with dinner in front of their children.  No problem here.  Again, and in reality, marijuana is no different when used responsibly.  Passing on "reefer madness" era propaganda to your kids, or b.s. of any sort, probably isn't in their best interest.  What happens is inevitable; they find out that life isn't anything like you told them, and they never trust you again.  :'(

I should add that, I'm not in favor of exposing kids to anything harmful, second hand smoke included.  But c'mon now...  Who's giving pot to their kids?  No one.  Who's even smoking in the same room as their kids?  Not many people I know.  In reality, this is a non issue.  Perhaps it's something snoory worries about.

I think there is enough ignorance to go around. That isn't meant as an insult. All of us get comfortable with our day to day habits.

Marijuana, like it or not is illegal. Using it, is breaking the law. Breaking the law can have serious consequences. Think your kids won't trust you for misleading them about the effects of marijuana? Try explaining why the cops arrested you and now you have court time. Yeah it sounds like hyperbole. Tell that to the roughly 640,000 in prison for marijuana possession.

The fact is that most users of marijuana, as the stereotypical example points out,  don't have the interest/energy to become active to change the laws. And no one in the legal system has much reason to take up the banner.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2012, 03:44:20 PM »
I don't understand why it isn't legal and taxed out the ass... Cmon now we need ideas like this to dig the cuntry out of the shit pit it's currently in.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2012, 03:55:10 PM »
I don't understand why it isn't legal and taxed out the ass... Cmon now we need ideas like this to dig the cuntry out of the shit pit it's currently in.

What? how immoral of you? Having the state endorse sinful behavior? Then using the blood money to support a secular state?

I think it is a great idea.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2012, 03:56:10 PM »
FBI's old description of drivers high on marijuana: driving at or below the speed limit, obeying all traffic laws.

I drive high all the time. I'm a damn good driver, too. I've driven in torrential downpours, blizzards, dust storms, windy coastal roads, pitch-black desert highways high as a kite. And I fucking rocked 'em.

I work two jobs, seven days a week. Before the recession I spent ten years working for a great business, started out answering phones & worked my way up to graphic designer. And I was fucking baked the whole time.

I'm probably more active than you, too. I walk miles every single day. I hike and bike. I'll bike the entire day and I'll stop to puff a bowl while I wait for your ass to catch up.


+100

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2012, 04:00:09 PM »
 
           I'll talk about the dangers of the evil weed.

           It made me lighten up, made me social, made me relax and people tended to view me as an okay human being after all.

           See how horrible this drug can be!
         

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2012, 04:10:50 PM »

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2012, 04:25:31 PM »

           I'll talk about the dangers of the evil weed.

           It made me lighten up, made me social, made me relax and people tended to view me as an okay human being after all.

           See how horrible this drug can be!
         


The danger in this instance was not the evil weed, but the fact that you could not do this by yourself.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2012, 04:31:42 PM »
Let me start out by saying I'm part Abenaki. My grandfather is a pure blood. Our people have been smoking pot a lot longer than 2-3 generations.

I know at least 30 "indians" who smoked pot their whole life, since early teens and...DIED OF CANCER! So please, don't use the five potheads you know as your proof that pot stops cancer. You're talking out of your ass.

I also know at least 200 "indians" who regularly smoke, swear by, and worship pot...but half also can't hold a job, are candidates for an episode of hoarders, and all claim to have chronic health issues. I'd estimate more than half of them cannot drive more than a mile without getting into an accident. I know a bunch who have given up drinking, but have a harder time giving up pot smoking! They also tend to get really, really overweight from "the munchies" and lying around inactive all day long.

As I said in my initial post, all one needs to do is listen to ANY random Purity Products 30 minute spot and if they believe the BS they'll think whatever product they are hawking cures cancer, makes you live 20 years longer, gives you energy, actually makes you younger, your penis is suddenly a foot and a half longer, your brain doubles in size, you start to be able to levitate things...it just goes on and on.

Now to the guy who said "if you ever..." Since I was about 13yrs old I regularly grew half an acre of the stuff on the "Res" since they couldn't stop us. I smoked for a few year, but really didn't care for it that much. I knew several kids who got all toked up and killed somebody in an accident. But you know, this was 30 + years ago when they didn't even keep alcohol related stats. But really, what BS! It all depends on what YOU want to believe.

For instance, growing up as an American Indian but also somebody who was encouraged to speak the truth, I often get in trouble with my own people when I point out myths about us. Like...

The myth we're all these wonderful in touch with mother Earth, environmentally conscious people. As a kid at our dump on the Res, everybody around would bring us their tires and other things. Why? Because we were the only ones who could get away with burning these things. You, living a few blocks away, would be arrested if you tried to burn tires! But now I see the same guys who did that on TV and interviews acting like they have been protecting Mother Earth since birth, and young idiots swallowing it..hook line and sinker.

You think the mafia was disbanded? They went away? LOL they made deals with Indian reservations and are running our casinos! Duhhhh I think he sort of mentioned this just the other night. Out of 400 Indians on our Res, maybe 20 work for the Casino. A few hundred Italians, and then a mix of other minorities. It's amazing how nobody can see that's what happened. The mafia simply found their sovereign nation, right in the United States!

So please...if you like to smoke pot fine, go head, whatever....but lay off the "it should be mandatory for schoolchildren because it's sooooooo beneficial" Bull s__t!


I somehow missed this great post.  Excellent.  I lived in Ahkwesáhsne (Quebec part) for several years.  The Mohawk Elders were very sincere in their effort to keep their kids away from anything that alters their true nature.  It was a cultural battle as well.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2012, 04:32:42 PM »
Who's even smoking in the same room as their kids?  Not many people I know.


Not good enough.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2012, 04:35:55 PM »
I'd hate to say this, but every Marijuana smoker I've ever known (and I've known MANY), is an impeccable driver.  These are people I've known well, over a lifetime, and I can tell you that their driving abstracts are clean as a whistle.  Marijuana isn't a "downer" in the traditional sense, does not affect your reaction time, and if anything makes you hyper-aware. 

If you've ever really  smoked pot for any period of time, you'd know that the concept of driving better while stoned is actually within the realm of possibility.  Don't kids perform better on tests when they take Adderal?  It's really not too far removed form that when you think about it, but it likely depends on your base driving skills.


Your habit has made you delusional.  No offense.

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Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2012, 04:37:15 PM »

The danger in this instance was not the evil weed, but the fact that you could not do this by yourself.

Now we are at loggerheads. Many people self medicate. A majority of medical professionals and therapists endorse most drug abuse is an attempt to calm certain mental issues. Including anxiety, confusion, high distractibility, and depression. And it makes sense.

Lots of people are lucky enough to not have some nagging inner presence that makes daily life intolerable. It also makes it very difficult to understand those that do.

It isn't a lack of character that makes people unable to cope. By and large coping skills are behaviors people learn to handle both inner and outer conflicts. And as always it's complicated.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2012, 04:39:18 PM »

The danger in this instance was not the evil weed, but the fact that you could not do this by yourself.
       That's Coyle's* point. If a miserable toad like Coyle can be turned into a semi-decent human being, then this stimulant must be throroughly investigated. A society of equanimity is highly scary to a neurotic like Coyle.

        *Coyle is doing a third person Norman Mailer thing for no good reason other than the usual self-amusement.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2012, 04:40:37 PM »
Now we are at loggerheads. Many people self medicate. A majority of medical professionals and therapists endorse most drug abuse is an attempt to calm certain mental issues. Including anxiety, confusion, high distractibility, and depression. And it makes sense.

Lots of people are lucky enough to not have some nagging inner presence that makes daily life intolerable. It also makes it very difficult to understand those that do.

It isn't a lack of character that makes people unable to cope. By and large coping skills are behaviors people learn to handle both inner and outer conflicts. And as always it's complicated.


You make my point exactly.  If it were simply a lack of character it would not signify a danger.  Your contrasting points define the danger.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2012, 05:46:56 PM »
Sorry, but this point of view is  little ignorant.  I don't mean any offense by that, but it's seems more informed by sensationalist news than anything real life.  Listen to some Joe Rogan, buddy  ;)  I mean, most growers here in CA are guilty of tax evasion (maybe), but violent crime?  No, not at all.  That's TV, but it's not reality..

You are talking about the growers up North, not the thugs that have taken over some corners of parks, ranches, and public land. 
 
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area.  We have A LOT of open space - parks, watershed land, ranches.  As a hobby, my friends and I go out hiking and mtn biking, looking for ancient Indian sites that are long forgotten, so we are off trail and in remote areas sometimes.
 
Mexican and Central American gangs have taken over too many of these remote areas to grow pot.  They tear up sensitive environment, hose it down with the nastiest insectacides and fertilizers, poisen ponds and streams, kill off wildlife, turn beautiful areas into trashy eyesores, they leave garbage and remnants of their operation all over the place.  No one hears much about it because they don't get caught and it's way off trail, but I've seen it and it's disgusting.  My friends have even been shot at.  We call the authorities, but most of the time they can't even find the location even when given the GPS - usually these places are extremely well hidden from the air and nearly inaccessable.
 
I've talked to ranchers that have been met on their own land by these thugs holding guns, and told to go no further.
 
So yeah, growing it is a problem too.  It can't be legalized soon enough.
 
 

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2012, 05:54:13 PM »

You are talking about the growers up North, not the thugs that have taken over some corners of parks, ranches, and public land. 
 
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area.  We have A LOT of open space - parks, watershed land, ranches.  As a hobby, my friends and I go out hiking and mtn biking, looking for ancient Indian sites that are long forgotten, so we are off trail and in remote areas sometimes.
 
Mexican and Central American gangs have taken over too many of these remote areas to grow pot.  They tear up sensitive environment, hose it down with the nastiest insectacides and fertilizers, poisen ponds and streams, kill off wildlife, turn beautiful areas into trashy eyesores, they leave garbage and remnants of their operation all over the place.  No one hears much about it because they don't get caught and it's way off trail, but I've seen it and it's disgusting.  My friends have even been shot at.  We call the authorities, but most of the time they can't even find the location even when given the GPS - usually these places are extremely well hidden from the air and nearly inaccessable.
 
I've talked to ranchers that have been met on their own land by these thugs holding guns, and told to go no further.
 
So yeah, growing it is a problem too.  It can't be legalized soon enough.


Legalizing it will not stop the thugs.  There is too much profit to be made in either paradigm.  Besides, it is de facto legal right now.  Thanks for reminding us of what frequently happens to enable us to "cleanly by our pot".

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #56 on: September 10, 2012, 06:22:35 PM »

I somehow missed this great post.  Excellent.  I lived in Ahkwesáhsne (Quebec part) for several years.  The Mohawk Elders were very sincere in their effort to keep their kids away from anything that alters their true nature.  It was a cultural battle as well.

I'm not against pot. It's not for everybody. One thing you never see these Pot Witnesses mentioning is that night they were just chilling and passed that girl, or guy a joint and the next thing they knew the person was in the hospital having a paranoid panic attack. But if they've been smokin regularly, socially for years and say they've never seen it..I'M CALLING YOU A LIAR!

What are you talking about? Pot never, ever gave anybody a bad reaction! If that's your answer, then I know your some kid who just started toking 2 weeks ago, trying to pretend you're some long time user.

The paranoia's is a well know side reaction to pot. It hits roughly 1 out of 4 people at some point. I can't tell you how many long time users I've counseled who suddenly got it. It's in the hundreds. "I had to stop, I was paranoid all the time" Ohh and I've also heard the pat answer from their fellows.."you just got some bad weed" I've never heard anybody say "You just got a bad Beer"

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #57 on: September 10, 2012, 06:32:12 PM »
I'm not against pot. It's not for everybody. One thing you never see these Pot Witnesses mentioning is that night they were just chilling and passed that girl, or guy a joint and the next thing they knew the person was in the hospital having a paranoid panic attack. But if they've been smokin regularly, socially for years and say they've never seen it..I'M CALLING YOU A LIAR!

What are you talking about? Pot never, ever gave anybody a bad reaction! If that's your answer, then I know your some kid who just started toking 2 weeks ago, trying to pretend you're some long time user.

The paranoia's is a well know side reaction to pot. It hits roughly 1 out of 4 people at some point. I can't tell you how many long time users I've counseled who suddenly got it. It's in the hundreds. "I had to stop, I was paranoid all the time" Ohh and I've also heard the pat answer from their fellows.."you just got some bad weed" I've never heard anybody say "You just got a bad Beer"


A little objectivity goes a long way.  I think you've helped a lot of people.  Thanks.

Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #58 on: September 10, 2012, 06:36:14 PM »

The paranoia's is a well know side reaction to pot. It hits roughly 1 out of 4 people at some point. I can't tell you how many long time users I've counseled who suddenly got it. It's in the hundreds. "I had to stop, I was paranoid all the time" Ohh and I've also heard the pat answer from their fellows.."you just got some bad weed" I've never heard anybody say "You just got a bad Beer"

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Re: The Marijuana guy
« Reply #59 on: September 10, 2012, 07:10:38 PM »

A little objectivity goes a long way.  I think you've helped a lot of people.  Thanks.

Nah..you can't change anybodies mind. Even though the news stories about how bat shit crazy people get on Bath Salts are all over the place, 1000's of new people will try it this week. They'll do that because their friends told them it's all hoeey, and they and their friends know everything. It won't happen to them.

And then a guy will have a horrible reaction, get better and think he's going to save the world...ignoring the fact that he'd never listen to anybody before, either.

In the world of drugs I personally believe there is no bad PR. You can go into school after school, bring in Michael Jordan, Barrack Obama, Derrick Jeter and some kids will say "thanks, I'll never..." and 2 years later you're admitting them to a rehab.

I remember when this absolutely gorgeous girl was run down out jogging by a drunk driver and the whole town went ballistic. Ohh they were totally MADD! Bumper stickers, campaigns. That was 35 years ago. That was a town of about 1000 people. They did a little study about those kids in that school district at that time. We're talking 300 kids total grades 9-12. 45 DWI's! Those kids that were so hell bent against that single stupid kid, 45 of them grew up to get DWI's themselves....including the girls...brother!

It's all about people finding fault with others, and not themselves.  I can handle it. I'm impervious. YOU need to follow the rules.