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Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #150 on: December 23, 2013, 07:05:49 PM »
People, this is why God made weed.  Ok guys, let's torch this.

True fact:  I have never torched up in my life, Aldous, but I would happily do so with you.  There is just too damn much rage in the world.  Yorkie, Onan, you in?

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #151 on: December 23, 2013, 09:30:40 PM »
Isn't the self-styled Philosopher doing what we call "moving the goalposts" on us?  He started out by being mightily exercised by the teeming masses of children getting tortured by their brain-fried parents ("Oh, please!  Won't somebody think of the CHILDREN?!?") --presumably wanting some big-guvment intrusion into (no doubt, certain easily-identifiable) homes to prevent this abuse-- and after failing to develop a consensus that this is a large-scale problem, has moved on to general, straw-grasping pot bashing.

...The relationship between marijuana and psychotic illness, specifically schizophrenia, has been studied for many years and is receiving increasing publicity in the mainstream media.
Yeah?  How, and as of when?

Certainly not all people who smoke marijuana will develop schizophrenia...
Mighty white of ya to admit it, but ain't you going way out on a limb with such a radically-non-judgemental quote as that?

... approximately one-third of people in America with schizophrenia regularly abuse marijuana.
What percentage without schizophrenia abuse the weed?
Another thing: the use of the term "abuse" logically suggests that "NAMI" considers there to be a "proper use" for marijuana, short of "abuse."  Did the quoted study define and distinguish "abuse" from officially-approved "use?"

[Quoted source was] NAMI - National Alliance on Mental Illness: Marijuana and Mental Illness
Were the principal authors Nixon, R. and Webb, J.?

...the information you suggest about marijuana and schizophrenia is ill-informed.   Marijuana is not causal to the condition.
Methodologically well-informed as usual, onan.
Most people sputtering about "research" either don't understand and/or can't admit the difference between "correlation" and "causation."  And when they do impute causation, they very often don't even bother with the issue of "logical time-ordering" --that is, whether or not THING A that they argue "causes" THING B actually even precedes THING B.   (I'm not arguing that that is a major problem with Philosopher's flailings here; just a general bitch about most people's agendized abuse of "research findings.")

Lest anyone think that I'm "agendized" and a "stoner" myself-- I'm with this person:
I actually tried it back in my early 40`s and the experience was not a pleasant one at all... I was nearly overwhelmed by the intense buzz. My heart was palpitating, my respiration was all wacky...and I was in full- blown panic mode! ...NEVER AGAIN.
Me too-- same harsh symptoms, and that didn't even take until my 40s.  The stuff has never worked for me; it's either done exactly nothing, or did what FTF described.  Too unpredictable.  I swore off it by 27.  These days, give me liquor any time.  (Literally: give me liquor anytime!)

So I have no dog in the pot patch.  I just react badly to shit-stirring polemics masquerading as "open questions."

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #152 on: December 23, 2013, 10:14:09 PM »
I can show you several studies that suggest there is relevance to certain cannabinoids helping with schizophrenia. I won't get into my problems with NAMI, but they are numerous.

First the information you suggest about marijuana and schizophrenia is ill-informed. Yes there is a small number of patients with marijuana induced psychosis. It isn't a permanent condition. Schizophrenia is a long term condition. People suffering from schizophrenia often self medicate. Marijuana is not causal to the condition.

It would help if you had a full understanding of the societal environment that many if not most schizophrenics live. Most live in substandard housing in poor neighborhoods and live on SSI benefits. That environment breeds drug dealers. And often people with limited ability to use rational thought get caught up in that environment. Add to that many illicit drugs quell the audio hallucinations that affect many schizophrenics. And they do so (unfortunately) with less uncomfortable side effects. I can't tell you how often I have to explain the negative influence of marijuana on medication. And how often it is disregarded.


I did not interpret the article as suggesting there was a causal factor involved, but rather exacerbation if the individual was prone to develop schizophrenia beforehand.  I think there is plenty of research that substantiates that claim.  However, I seemed to have digressed from my main point of this thread.  Regardless of one's "adult" approach to pot, it is my hope that children are considered, and protected.  That simple.


Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #153 on: December 23, 2013, 10:19:12 PM »

I did not interpret the article as suggesting there was a causal factor involved, but rather exacerbation if the individual was prone to develop schizophrenia beforehand.  I think there is plenty of research that substantiates that claim.  However, I seemed to have digressed from my main point of this thread.  Regardless of one's "adult" approach to pot, it is my hope that children are considered, and protected.  That simple.
This is not to take away from your point but this is exactly what I think whenever I see a television left on thoughtlessly where kids live, and I'm not being snarky.

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #154 on: December 23, 2013, 10:26:21 PM »
This is not to take away from your point but this is exactly what I think whenever I see a television left on thoughtlessly where kids live, and I'm not being snarky.


I agree very much. 

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #155 on: December 29, 2013, 07:26:25 PM »
Tried pot my senior year in college. Used it till after all the breeding, mutation experimentation etc. ramped up the thc  and two tokes  made me have to sit still for a half hour to keep from getting my equilibrium upset. Quit for many years from late Mid 80's until I moved to Hawai'i where the pot was more like the early 70's stuff and where it was always around everywhere. Quit again when I came back to the mainland. Just do not wish to have to find anyone to supply it. Old days  bought from the same 3 people for 10 years. Hawaii I just always around for harvest cleaning and was paid in the clippings not wanted. Which I shared with the people when they ran out of their cleaned crop later on.
I get to where I have to lay down as I feel every injury my body has ever had, though not painful as such but each injury makes its location felt in a sort of weakness. The polio I had, the through the windshield crash, broken digits, arms, jaws and such come back for a visit. Eyes feel the glass. Head feels the addling of the concussions. Not really a whole lot of interest in feeling that.
I like growing it more. It is a splendid plant. I wish the Gov'm't would let Hemp be grown. I enjoy helping others who grow it  with  a soil mix I worked out .I would like to grow hops. You can graft hops to a MJ root and the hops will have THC and not Lupuline . Then I will use it to make home brew out of malted kamut.

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #156 on: December 29, 2013, 07:29:46 PM »
Im anti inhaling smoke of any kind ..but eh ..not so anti that i want to stop you ( youuusss) from smoking.
I dont like being drugged , so i'll probably never try it .
Blah blah blah ..legalize it ..who cares

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #157 on: December 29, 2013, 11:28:26 PM »
This is not to take away from your point but this is exactly what I think whenever I see a television left on thoughtlessly where kids live, and I'm not being snarky.
TELEVISION - babysitting children since 1958 ...Get youurrrrs....TOOODAY!  ;D

Obama: "Pot is not more dangerous than alcohol."
« Reply #158 on: January 20, 2014, 10:08:25 AM »
It's illegal for children to purchase alcohol and cigarettes. And so it would be with pot.

And, President Obama said in a "The New Yorker" magazine interview:

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“As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. I don’t think it is more dangerous than alcohol."

Re: Obama: "Pot is not more dangerous than alcohol."
« Reply #159 on: January 20, 2014, 10:20:57 AM »
It's illegal for children to purchase alcohol and cigarettes. And so it would be with pot.

And, President Obama said in a "The New Yorker" magazine interview:


Since when has Barry`s opinion meant anything?

Re: Obama: "Pot is not more dangerous than alcohol."
« Reply #160 on: January 20, 2014, 10:26:41 AM »

Since when has Barry`s opinion meant anything?


Yeah, cos he isn't on the worlds stage in any capacity...oh wait...

Re: Obama: "Pot is not more dangerous than alcohol."
« Reply #161 on: January 20, 2014, 10:38:54 AM »

Yeah, cos he isn't on the worlds stage in any capacity...oh wait...



Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #162 on: January 20, 2014, 10:40:20 AM »
Yeah, because you haven't the intelligence to evolve past plankton state. 

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #163 on: January 20, 2014, 10:48:51 AM »
Yeah, because you haven't the intelligence to evolve past plankton state.



Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #164 on: January 20, 2014, 01:02:55 PM »
A group in Florida is trying to get a medical marijuana referendum on the ballot.  It is being pushed by John Morgan, an Orlando attorney who is a Democrat and who floods the airwaves with ads.  He's airing commercials around the state talking about how much he cares about people and wants to show it by getting the marijuana bill to pass.  Of course, a few idiot mainstream Republicans, such as Attorney General Pam Bondi, oppose the measure.

Folks ask why Morgan has suddenly taken up the issue.  I think it is pure politics.  I'll bet Morgan believes having the issue on the ballot will draw more Democrat leaning voters to the polls.  Why is that important?  Because one of Morgan's law partners, Charlie Crist, is running for governor as a Democrat (he last served as governor as a Republican).

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #165 on: January 20, 2014, 01:12:19 PM »
A group in Florida is trying to get a medical marijuana referendum on the ballot.  It is being pushed by John Morgan, an Orlando attorney who is a Democrat and who floods the airwaves with ads.  He's airing commercials around the state talking about how much he cares about people and wants to show it by getting the marijuana bill to pass.  Of course, a few idiot mainstream Republicans, such as Attorney General Pam Bondi, oppose the measure.

Folks ask why Morgan has suddenly taken up the issue.  I think it is pure politics.  I'll bet Morgan believes having the issue on the ballot will draw more Democrat leaning voters to the polls.  Why is that important?  Because one of Morgan's law partners, Charlie Crist, is running for governor as a Democrat (he last served as governor as a Republican).

What isn't "pure politics" at that level?

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #166 on: January 20, 2014, 05:18:49 PM »
I think it is pure politics.  I'll bet Morgan believes having the issue on the ballot will draw more Democrat leaning voters to the polls.  Why is that important? 

Its probably an issue people will cross lines for. For example, if I am a Republican voter, I would vote for a Democrat once so he gets elected and then passes his MJ bill. The next election, I would go back to voting for the Republican candidate now that my MJ law is already out there.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry now supports decriminalizing marijuana
« Reply #167 on: January 24, 2014, 05:28:08 AM »
Texas Gov. Rick Perry now supports decriminalizing marijuana

http://www.wfaa.com/news/Gov-Perry-says-he-supports-decriminalization-of-marijuana-241753641.html

USA TODAY

Posted on January 23, 2014 at 8:42 PM

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AUSTIN –

Gov. Rick Perry, a staunch conservative, riled the Lone Star state Thursday when he told an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that he supports the decriminalization – though not the legalization – of marijuana use.

"As the governor of the second-largest state in the country, what I can do is start us on policies that can start us on the road towards decriminalization" by introducing alternative "drug courts" that offer treatment and softer penalties for minor offenses, Perry said during an international panel on drug legalization at the summit. Perry was speaking alongside former United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan and Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos.

Perry emphasized that he is not for the legalization of marijuana but defended states' rights to make those choices. He said it's perfectly constitutional for states like Colorado to experiment with decriminalization and that Washington should stay out of those decisions.

"I am a staunch promoter of the 10th Amendment," Perry said, according to U.S. News & World Report. States should be able to set their own policies on abortion, same-sex marriage and marijuana legalization, he said, "then people will decide where they want to live."

Re: Texas Gov. Rick Perry now supports decriminalizing marijuana
« Reply #168 on: January 24, 2014, 05:39:49 AM »
Texas Gov. Rick Perry now supports decriminalizing marijuana


Gov. Rick Perry, a staunch conservative, riled the Lone Star state Thursday"

Why?

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #169 on: January 24, 2014, 06:30:22 AM »
Drugs, whores, gambling: legalize them all.

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #170 on: January 24, 2014, 07:10:08 AM »
Now that a majority of Americans support legalizing marijuana, I'm pissed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/majority-of-americans-now-support-legal-pot-poll-says/

I want reparations for my brothers and sisters being harassed, disenfranchised, disemployed, fined, and jailed for all these ignorant, dark, and prejudiced years. Oh, I don't know, a few billion dollars maybe, preferential hiring, priority airline boarding, free doritos for life, jail a cop day, mandatory weed growing, and etc.  Yes, there will be more stoners and fucked up stoner stories for a while just like when you hold your farts they make a bigger noise in the end. Fuck you jack-booted war on vegetable thugs and all that have supported, ignored, and profited from your enforcer bullshit. Let my people grow you pussy loser tight assed motherfucking haters. And pay up assholes!

Am I kidding?

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #171 on: January 24, 2014, 08:37:01 AM »
Drugs, whores, gambling: legalize them all.


As none of them are illegal now, what is your point?

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #172 on: January 24, 2014, 11:36:37 AM »

As none of them are illegal now, what is your point?


Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #173 on: January 24, 2014, 11:39:25 AM »
Oink... I can post it again if you like? Meat eater that you are.

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #174 on: January 24, 2014, 04:26:38 PM »
Yorkie, they are all illegal in most places in the US.

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #175 on: January 25, 2014, 03:58:00 PM »
Yorkie, they are all illegal in most places in the US.

ALL drugs are illegal? Even prescription ones? And Booze? That's a drug..Being a whore is illegal? Really? Not to be confused with soliciting. Gambling is illegal? Even betting on the horses?

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #176 on: January 25, 2014, 05:47:48 PM »
You know the answer to the others, but yes, betting on the horses is illegal in most places here.

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #177 on: January 25, 2014, 05:52:54 PM »
...betting on the horses is illegal in most places here.
I did not know that, I always imagined Florida as a place where people bet alot.

Nice avatar btw :)

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #178 on: January 25, 2014, 05:58:00 PM »
Thank you for the avatar gift.
There are horse tracks in south Florida, but you can bet only at the track.  In other parts of Florida, there are dog tracks, and you can bet on dog races only at the tracks - and I think they televise horse races and allow betting on those. Most of the dog tracks are now poker rooms, and people can play poker there.  But only at those designated spots.  If I set up a poker game in my garage and invite Tony Sirico, Frankie Valli and Frank Sinatra, Jr., I'd go to jail.  Most counties in Florida have no gambling. Just like most of the US.

Re: States, Legalized Pot, and Children
« Reply #179 on: January 25, 2014, 06:24:17 PM »
But the lottery is a form of gambling, too, and a lot of states have lotteries for education or other designated services.

New York allows gambling at the track and at designated Off Track Betting establishments (OTB). Betting with a bookie is illegal. We have Belmont and Saratoga, and Yonkers Raceway and we used to have Aqueduct Raceway which has been turned into a legal casino. And, of course, various scratch off lotto and lottery games that you can buy in any corner store or supermarket. And then there's Bingo - I had to volunteer twice a month when my kid was in school to be a Bingo volunteer for the old folks. It benefited the school, but I was shocked at the amount of money some of them would spend on tear off lottos and bingo cards. Some churches and organizations can also get licenses to hold Las Vegas Night fundraisers where there are slot machines, and gambling tables for adults. The priest at the local church would never allow it because he counseled people with gambling addiction and thought it wrong to provide a temptation for people struggling with addiction. He stayed with bake sales.  ;)

I'll be very surprised if NY doesn't have legalized marijuana for medical purposes by next year. Our alcohol and cigarette sale age is currently 21. Both were 18 when I was growing up, but I had no problem purchasing cigarettes at 14. Much different now.