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Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79290 on: April 18, 2017, 05:24:32 PM »
I just finished listening to the C2C show for 4/17/17.  (I've stopped including in my post on this thread the face saving statement to the effect that I'm not a regular listener and only download the podcast on the rare occasion when a truly interesting guest is being interviewed.)  In the Ed Dames segment the Major, in his usual matter of fact tone, tells us of his singular achievements while in the Army and since getting out that have contributed so much to our understanding of all that is the focus of his remote viewing from the ET presence to the whereabouts of missing children, downed aircraft and lost treasure.  Of course he let's us know several times that he is in the U.S. to do a "farewell tour" of selected cities that includes a one day "crash" course in remote viewing.  After listening to the whole interview, all the while reminding myself that my purpose in downloading the podcast was to listen to Brian Cox, I feel the need to comment on Dames and his claims to glory.

About 10 yeas ago after hearing Dames a couple of times I had doubts about his claims when I found many of the details he provided to be inconsistent with what I know to be true from my own experience in the military.  I did not have a problem the idea of human beings being able to remotely view or the military's attempt to exploit that ability for the purpose of intelligence gathering.  What did gave me considerable heartburn was Dames' inconsistencies and his sensational claims such as his having definitive knowledge of the composition and aims of an intergalactic federation.   Moreover, I didn't see his track record for accurate predictions and for locating things to be all that great.    Having these doubts, I did an internet search to find out more about his background and the veracity of his assertIons.  (In fact, my research on Dames led me to BelGab.)  I came across a number of websites wherein Dames was deemed to be a bullshit artist in the kindest appraisals and a fraud in the harshest.   His worst critics seemed to be those who served with him in the Army's remote viewing project who say that in public statements Dames has grossly inflated his role in that effort which for the most part was administrative.  He himself was not a remote viewer.  Admittedly, I may have been driven to find these things by my dislike of self-aggrandizing narcissistic types and may have been subject to confirmation bias, but I have honestly not read or heard anything in the past 10 years or so from or about Dames that would change my low opinion of him.

With regard to Dames "decision" to leave the military, in all services there are officer career paths that lead to promotion all the way up to 4 stars.  It goes from leading platoons and companies or shipboard divisions at the junior officer level through intermediate assignments of increasing responsibility to command of army brigades Air wings, deep draft ships or squadrons of ships at the Colonel/Navy Captain level.  It includes assignments to post graduate schools, various service war colleges, tours on the staff of a flag or general officer and postings to joint and combined staffs. The paths vary between line or staff officer specialties and warfare communities but all involve a narrowing in the number selected at each stage in advancing to the apex of the pyramid.  This process is referred to as "getting ones tickets punched" and competition for advancement to each step is intense with many good to excellent officers being winnowed out in favor of officers who are evaluated as outstanding or "head and shoulders" above contemporaries.  Some in the later category are earmarked early in their careers as having the potential to wear stars and others acquire that potential more gradually.   

In the case of Dames, his assignment  as a Major outside of the normal career path to a project involving something as offbeat as remote viewing is a sure sign that, despite his crowing about his being a "decorated" army officer on his way up, he was in fact not expected to be selected for LTCOL (paygrade O-5).  LTCOL or CDR (Navy) is the minimum rank to which a good officer would be expected to rise and he would be in zone for selection to O-6 (COL or CAPT) in year 18-21 unless he is early selected.  The promotion zones vary between services and depend on the total officer end strength authorized by Congress in a given fiscal year but the foregoing is generally true.  Dames got out at the 20 year mark as a Major (O-4) which is the minimum number of years required for retirement with benefits at 50% of base pay.  Having failed selection to LTCol Dames would not have had the option of remaining on active duty beyond 20 years having reached the point of mandatory retirement dictated by statute.  His retirement was not a matter choice as he indicates.

I enjoyed the interview with Brian Cox despite Noory's inane comments.  I particularly liked it when Jorch, after a clear response to the same question a few minutes earlier, again asked Cox  "what was there before the Big Bang."  Obviously frustrated, Cox put the thrust of his previous more elaborate response in terms that Jorch could understand by saying "I don't know." 

 

Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79291 on: April 18, 2017, 06:03:38 PM »
As far as Dames, the links I looked at said he wasn't involved at the beginning and only did a 3 year tour there late in the program.

I read one account where they punked him as they RV'd Santa Claus and had to stop him from issuing some kind of emergency invasion communication.

In his defense, he was prior enlisted, and I know several prior enlisted that had difficulties making their marks because of gaps in service. Especially Reserve Officers on active duty.

The worst one I witnessed was a Captain at Plattsburgh circa 1977. He had been a reserve officer pilot called to active duty in Korea in 53. Then he got called back to active duty in the 60's for Vietnam. By 77 he was still a Captain with 18 years active duty and got riffed. He had to keep doing the same job as an E5 staff seargent for 2 years to get his retirement.

To add insult to injury, he could no longer got to the O club and had to move out of Officer housing into enlisted housing.

All of us that worked with him continued to show him respect, but he sure was a broken man when I saw him last.

By completing his 20 years he was allowed to retire as an O-3 because he had been on active duty as an officer for over 10 years. That experience was enough to keep me from accepting a commission when I got my degree and my 8 years was up.

Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79292 on: April 18, 2017, 06:09:09 PM »
... I feel the need to comment on Dames and his claims to glory.

About 10 yeas ago after hearing Dames a couple of times I had doubts about his claims...  Moreover, I didn't see his track record for accurate predictions and for locating things to be all that great...

Based on frequency of appearance, arrogant personality, and flat out dishonesty, Majorette Dames is one of the three guests from the Coast/Bell universe I detested the most.  The other two being Richard C Hoaxland and Whitley ''Whiny'' Strieber.

Dame's ''remote viewing'' was laughable.  Pathetic.  Anyone should be able to do better than that by simply being somewhat aware of history and human nature, then following current events and suggesting certain outcomes.

It was frustrating listening to Art Bell introduce him and always make a big deal about how accurate his ''predictions'' are.  Noory did the same (I would imagine he still does).  Without ever really saying what any of the ''predictions'' were, that I ever heard.  After the first few times of listening to one of those shows, I'd just turn off the radio the nights he was on, and wonder what the heck was the matter with Art for having him on and plumping up his ''abilities''.  As far as I know he never predicted anything that actually happened, other than the usual taking credit for predicting something by pointing to some vague general comment he'd made - the same ruse all the rest of the ''psychics'' and other people claiming to ''predict'' things do.

I did listen the night he came on Noory's show and insisted his prediction of the location of Steve Fossett's plane was accurate, and promised he would never come on Norry's show again if he was wrong.  It was way off of course - being just another guess and all - yet he's been back tons of times.  Just one more lie. 


Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79293 on: April 18, 2017, 06:14:00 PM »
If this is the best they can do, I think it's good Art is done.  Norry should retire too.

Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79294 on: April 18, 2017, 06:17:50 PM »
As far as Dames, the links I looked at said he wasn't involved at the beginning and only did a 3 year tour there late in the program.

I read one account where they punked him as they RV'd Santa Claus and had to stop him from issuing some kind of emergency invasion communication.

In his defense, he was prior enlisted, and I know several prior enlisted that had difficulties making their marks because of gaps in service. Especially Reserve Officers on active duty.

The worst one I witnessed was a Captain at Plattsburgh circa 1977. He had been a reserve officer pilot called to active duty in Korea in 53. Then he got called back to active duty in the 60's for Vietnam. By 77 he was still a Captain with 18 years active duty and got riffed. He had to keep doing the same job as an E5 staff seargent for 2 years to get his retirement.

To add insult to injury, he could no longer got to the O club and had to move out of Officer housing into enlisted housing.

All of us that worked with him continued to show him respect, but he sure was a broken man when I saw him last.

By completing his 20 years he was allowed to retire as an O-3 because he had been on active duty as an officer for over 10 years. That experience was enough to keep me from accepting a commission when I got my degree and my 8 years was up.

So was I.  Do you know how long he was enlisted off hand or what his commissioning source was.   If not don't bother with it as I will research it.

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« Reply #79295 on: April 18, 2017, 06:29:20 PM »
If this is the best they can do, I think it's good Art is done.  Norry should retire too.

Noory says they will have to pry the mike from his cold, dead hands or something to that effect.  He has no plans to retire unfortunately.

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« Reply #79296 on: April 18, 2017, 06:51:23 PM »

The worst one I witnessed was a Captain at Plattsburgh circa 1977. He had been a reserve officer pilot called to active duty in Korea in 53. Then he got called back to active duty in the 60's for Vietnam. By 77 he was still a Captain with 18 years active duty and got riffed. He had to keep doing the same job as an E5 staff seargent for 2 years to get his retirement.

To add insult to injury, he could no longer got to the O club and had to move out of Officer housing into enlisted housing.

All of us that worked with him continued to show him respect, but he sure was a broken man when I saw him last.

By completing his 20 years he was allowed to retire as an O-3 because he had been on active duty as an officer for over 10 years. That experience was enough to keep me from accepting a commission when I got my degree and my 8 years was up.

I witnessed a similar thing when I fist came in the Navy .   A LCDR who was commissioned from the enlisted ranks through a aviation cadet training program during WWII failed select for CDR with I think about 16 years in.  He was allowed to revert to CPO (E-7) because he retained his permanent enlisted status and was advanced to E-7 while serving as an officer as a hedge against RIF's or failure to select.  One day he was LCDR and the next he was a chief.  The upside is that when he retired on 20 his retirement pay was based on highest rank held which in his case was O-4.

I have heard some real horror stories about officers in the Army and AF being reduced to enlisted satus after Korea and Vietnam as well as WWII.

Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79297 on: April 18, 2017, 07:03:02 PM »
So was I.  Do you know how long he was enlisted off hand or what his commissioning source was.   If not don't bother with it as I will research it.

I don't remember where I read it, but here is a link with a lot of debunking and dirt.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/ed_dames.htm

Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79298 on: April 18, 2017, 07:16:53 PM »
comes.

I did listen the night he came on Noory's show and insisted his prediction of the location of Steve Fossett's plane was accurate, and promised he would never come on Norry's show again if he was wrong.  It was way off of course - being just another guess and all - yet he's been back tons of times.  Just one more lie.

Dames couldn't find his ass with both hands.  I seem to remember that he claimed that he had rendered invaluable assisstance to a police department somewhere in finding the body of a missing girl.  The police department denied ever hearing from Dames and attributed discovery of the body to someone who basically stumbled over it. 

Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79299 on: April 18, 2017, 08:07:33 PM »
I could be wrong but I swear that Ed Dames has pulled the "final tour and then I'm retiring" and "highly trained RVers will do the teaching from now on" shtick before. I can't believe people would pay to take his classes.

Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #79300 on: April 18, 2017, 08:42:02 PM »
Dame's ''remote viewing'' was laughable.  Pathetic.  Anyone should be able to do better than that by simply being somewhat aware of history and human nature, then following current events and suggesting certain outcomes....

He pulled the classic dodge of ... something's gonna happen, but I'm not sure when.  Well sure, if you don't put a reasonable expiry date on your prediction, then you can never really be wrong lol.  I'll claim right now, that within the next 500 yrs., an Asteroid will blow the top off Mt. Everest - I've 'seen it' - prove me wrong!

I'd rather listen to an actual futurist, who tries to do what you suggested, mapping trends from real data - it may not be accurate either but at least is intellectually honest.  Those Merlin guys are usually pretty interesting, although they do exaggerate their success record imho.

I forget the name of that psychic, who claimed to have predicted the outcome of pres. elections like ten times, and then he totally missed this last one.  George had been fawning over him then tried to get him off the hook for the miss.  He had some lame cop-out like at the time he predicted it it was going that way, but then it changed do to unseen forces.  Well yeah, dummy, i.e. you just agreed with consensus until you got surprised like most everyone else.

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« Reply #79301 on: April 18, 2017, 08:59:30 PM »
He pulled the classic dodge of ... something's gonna happen, but I'm not sure when.  Well sure, if you don't put an reasonable expiry date on your prediction, then you can never really be wrong lol.  I'll claim right now, that within the next 500 yrs., an Asteroid will blow the top off Mt. Everest - prove me wrong!

I'd rather listen to an actual futurist, who tries to do what you suggested, mapping trends from real data - it may not be accurate either but at least is intellectually honest.  Those Merlin guys are usually pretty interesting, although they do exaggerate their success record imho.

I forget the name of that psychic, who claimed to have predicted the outcome of pres. elections like ten times, and then he totally missed this last one.  George had been fawning over him then tried to get him off the hook for the miss.  He had some lame cop-out like at the time he predicted it it was going that way, but then it changed do to unseen forces.  Well yeah, dummy, i.e. you just agreed with consensus until you got surprised like most everyone else.
I like when the con-artists glom on to terms used in physics, science, etc. Throw a "quantum" or some terms associated with it around a bit and the people will forget you were wrong with so many predictions.

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« Reply #79302 on: April 18, 2017, 11:07:47 PM »
Just when I thought Noory had reached the bottom with Ed Dames, he interviews David Adair tonight.

This guy is definitely mental. Dames doesn't stand a chance against Adair.

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« Reply #79303 on: April 18, 2017, 11:42:45 PM »
I got excited about Friday's show for a moment:
"Retired US Marshal with 26 years of federal law enforcement experience, Mark McClish, is a specialist in the interview process"
But sadly, Mr McClish will not be comparing notes with that other great "specialist in the interview process". Joorch is skipping out, replaced by Connie "Giggles" Willis.

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« Reply #79304 on: April 18, 2017, 11:55:55 PM »
Just when I thought Noory had reached the bottom with Ed Dames, he interviews David Adair tonight.

This guy is definitely mental. Dames doesn't stand a chance against Adair.

Not long ago I re-listened to an old interview Art did with Adair.  Surreal story, and that's putting it kindly. 

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« Reply #79305 on: April 19, 2017, 12:38:23 AM »
Maybe if Adair was telling the truth, he would know it was the North Vietnamese, and not the North Koreans, that were at the Paris Peace talks.

LeMay retired in 1965. The Paris Peace talks didn't even begin until 1968-69 and weren't signed until 1973.

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« Reply #79306 on: April 19, 2017, 01:25:40 AM »
More loose factoids. Shoemaker died 1 year and 5 days before Hale-Bopp was discovered.

Ooops... I was wrong. But he didn't discover it. He studied it with his wife.


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« Reply #79307 on: April 19, 2017, 02:22:45 AM »
holy shit this message board is making me laugh a lot.  it's been a worthy investment of time.
Spudnip !  Nip that spud in tne bud!  1:15.

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« Reply #79308 on: April 19, 2017, 03:29:20 AM »
Buncha true weirdos calling in.  This last dude wants George to do the show from a cruise ship, with C2C insiders on-board.  Think of sailing the high seas with the likes of Cornelius, Annie, and Bill the AAA.

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« Reply #79309 on: April 19, 2017, 03:58:47 AM »
OHHH-MER-GAWD.  Dave just slugged Morgus.   :(

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« Reply #79310 on: April 19, 2017, 05:56:46 AM »
Adair kicked off with a double brown-tongue, congratulating Joorch on his great shirts at 'live events' AND complimented him on his singing. Can anyone confirm if Adair is legally blind and deaf?

Adair's phone went to voice-mail, and Joorch claimed he recently 'sat down with our engineering department' and talked to them about how often the guests' phones develop problems when they start to discuss sensitive issues. Then Joorch invented a huge volume of calls for Adair to get him to stay an extra hour, even though he didn't take the first call until there was less than twenty minutes of the second hour remaining. Joorch will do anything to limit Open Lines.

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« Reply #79311 on: April 19, 2017, 12:03:25 PM »
So if Fox can fire O'Reilly for being a perv, why can't Premier fire Jorch for being a bore?

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« Reply #79312 on: April 19, 2017, 07:40:37 PM »
OHHH-MER-GAWD.  Dave just slugged Morgus.   :(
I'm I getting deja-vu or a Mandela Effect but I swear that Morgus segment was a repeat. Or did they do the same "jokes" and punching stunt again, which would be even worse than just replaying an old recording so Norry could get a turkey sammich.

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« Reply #79313 on: April 19, 2017, 08:33:20 PM »
I'm I getting deja-vu or a Mandela Effect but I swear that Morgus segment was a repeat. Or did they do the same "jokes" and punching stunt again, which would be even worse than just replaying an old recording so Norry could get a turkey sammich.
I didn't listen last night, fortunately, but if it was towards the end of the show, you can be pretty sure it was a Morgus replay.  That turkee sammich was calling or Jorch had an early date with Tommee at IHOP. ;)

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« Reply #79314 on: April 19, 2017, 08:46:40 PM »
I didn't listen last night, fortunately, but if it was towards the end of the show, you can be pretty sure it was a Morgus replay.  That turkee sammich was calling or Jorch had an early date with Tommee at IHOP. ;)

It was ... George introduced it with something like "This is a classic we like to play from time to time, so enjoy ... Oh that Morgus!"  (You could almost hear the studio door slamming as he bailed out early.

And since he'd already held Adair over for a third hour, the 'open lines' ended up being just a measly half hour.  Although I must say there was a surprising number of odd calls during that short time frame. 

In any case, as you suggest, we can assume the IHOP syrup was flowing early last nite.

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« Reply #79315 on: April 19, 2017, 08:50:40 PM »
So if Fox can fire O'Reilly for being a perv, why can't Premier fire Jorch for being a bore?

I'd assume that in either case all they really care about are advertising dollars.  The sponsors' support for O'Reilly collapsed, while Noory keeps bringing in those sweet tangy tangerine bux.

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« Reply #79316 on: April 19, 2017, 10:16:01 PM »
So if Fox can fire O'Reilly for being a perv, why can't Premier fire Jorch for being a bore?

O'Reilly can't sing

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« Reply #79317 on: April 19, 2017, 10:26:02 PM »
I'm I getting deja-vu or a Mandela Effect but I swear that Morgus segment was a repeat. Or did they do the same "jokes" and punching stunt again, which would be even worse than just replaying an old recording so Norry could get a turkey sammich.
Noory often plays an old recorded bit like last night at the end of an open lines segment night, to cut down the time for open lines even further and so that he can cut out early...  :P

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« Reply #79318 on: April 19, 2017, 10:47:45 PM »
Noory often plays an old recorded bit like last night at the end of an open lines segment night, to cut down the time for open lines even further and so that he can cut out early...  :P
I figured. He always brags about how dedicated he is and so loyal to his listeners that he will come in for a live show on holidays (though this time I guess Good Friday, Easter, and Passover were not considered holidays) but then plays pre-corded old show portions on Open Line nights so he can duck out early and duck callers? Maybe he doesn't have as many callers/listeners as he claims? Considering now there usually only appears to be a few frequent callers I wonder if Tommee doesn't call them up if lines are empty. Or, even worse, these people having nothing better to do ever than call in themselves?

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« Reply #79319 on: April 19, 2017, 11:39:31 PM »
I like when the con-artists glom on to terms used in physics, science, etc. Throw a "quantum" or some terms associated with it around a bit and the people will forget you were wrong with so many predictions.

"You see, we can predict stuff, but due to quantum fluctuations, just not in a predictable way ..."