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Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #240 on: September 23, 2015, 07:33:26 PM »
My Ford, send me Soma.
I'd love a proper Vacation. Excellent idea.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #241 on: September 23, 2015, 07:41:35 PM »
Not to be outdone...

http://www.infowars.com/kiss-cam-banned-from-universitys-sporting-events-after-claim-it-promotes-sexual-assault/



Geesh- what ever happened to "make Love - not War" I guess the 60s hippies would be guilty of all sorts of social crimes according to these youngsters. They're like modern day Puritans. How long before one of them crafts a modern day Malleus Maleficarum? Plus- their music can't touch what we had in the 60s and early 70s.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #242 on: September 27, 2015, 10:30:22 AM »
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In other words, if search engines and ISPs don’t comply with a list of the UN’s censorship demands, the UN wants national governments to cut off their access to the public.

So, what sort of content does the UN want to censor? ISIS recruitment videos, perhaps, which lure women into lives of rape and servitude? Live-streamed executions from Syria? Revenge porn or snuff videos? There’s no shortage of dangerous and potentially traumatising content on the web, after all, much of it disproportionately affecting women.

Alas not. The UN is hung up on “cyber violence against women,” a Kafkaesque term that is apparently shorthand for “women being criticised on the internet.” At least, that’s how at least two attendees at the launch of the UN report, published by the United Nations Broadband Commission, explained it yesterday.

According to feminist culture critic Anita Sarkeesian, who spoke at the event, online “harassment” doesn’t simply consist of what is “legal and illegal,” but “also the day-to-day grind of ‘you’re a liar’ and ‘you suck,’ including all of these hate videos that attack us on a regular basis.”


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social



Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #244 on: September 27, 2015, 04:43:56 PM »
Political correctness ought to be shoved up the asses of the fuck-tards that foisted this brain-rot on the American public. Especially when it was forced into the public indoctrination... er... school systems.
Political Correctness = Cultural Communism.
That pretty much sums it up.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #245 on: September 27, 2015, 09:54:11 PM »
It's disgusting how as those who remember the evils of socialism and communism are dying off, these pigs are infiltrating and doing their best to fuck up the system. What's interesting to me is when this idiocy started up towards the beginning of the Obama administration, it was mainly people advocating apparently reasonable things like feminism, tolerance, welfare, etc. Now these pigs are just full on screaming for socialism and doing their best to hurt and destroy anyone who disagrees.

The funniest thing to me is there was an absolute piece of garbage social justice warrior here who used to scream about how the minimum wage needs to be hiked. Now that the city has one, he's screaming about how things like beer and cigarettes have raised by 150-200%. What'd you think was going to happen dumb fuck? How can you be screaming for fundamental changes to society and life when you don't understand basic things like economics?

Socialism is the most retarded thing ever. Socialism preaches equality yet needs an elite/ruling class to instill that equality which negates the whole fucking point and creates fascism. I honestly think Americans are too stupid as a whole to pick up a history book or even know how/why the USSR collapsed, so we're about to repeat some ugly parts of the 20th century while a few con men/women run off with a lot of wealth by manipulating victim marks.

History just repeats itself over and over and over and over...

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #246 on: September 27, 2015, 09:59:15 PM »
Absolutely... Socialism is just another form of feudalism... The monarchs/political class and everyone else...Bernie can be worshiped like a king as he advocates for the lower class...he still lives like a royal...

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #247 on: September 27, 2015, 10:12:45 PM »
It's disgusting how as those who remember the evils of socialism and communism are dying off, these pigs are infiltrating and doing their best to fuck up the system. What's interesting to me is when this idiocy started up towards the beginning of the Obama administration, it was mainly people advocating apparently reasonable things like feminism, tolerance, welfare, etc. Now these pigs are just full on screaming for socialism and doing their best to hurt and destroy anyone who disagrees.

The funniest thing to me is there was an absolute piece of garbage social justice warrior here who used to scream about how the minimum wage needs to be hiked. Now that the city has one, he's screaming about how things like beer and cigarettes have raised by 150-200%. What'd you think was going to happen dumb fuck? How can you be screaming for fundamental changes to society and life when you don't understand basic things like economics?

Socialism is the most retarded thing ever. Socialism preaches equality yet needs an elite/ruling class to instill that equality which negates the whole fucking point and creates fascism. I honestly think Americans are too stupid as a whole to pick up a history book or even know how/why the USSR collapsed, so we're about to repeat some ugly parts of the 20th century while a few con men/women run off with a lot of wealth by manipulating victim marks.

History just repeats itself over and over and over and over...

Here on Bell Gab?  I'm shocked, who would that be?

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #248 on: September 27, 2015, 10:27:24 PM »
Here on Bell Gab?  I'm shocked, who would that be?

Haha, I know that guy in real life. We're friends on social media despite him being one of the worst people I've ever met. I just like watching what an utter wreck his life is.

There's a couple socialists on here but they're vaguely lovable.  ;D

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #249 on: September 28, 2015, 01:48:00 AM »
Haha, I know that guy in real life. We're friends on social media despite him being one of the worst people I've ever met. I just like watching what an utter wreck his life is.

There's a couple socialists on here but they're vaguely lovable.  ;D

Tru dat.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #250 on: September 29, 2015, 02:23:39 PM »
It's disgusting how as those who remember the evils of socialism and communism are dying off, these pigs are infiltrating and doing their best to fuck up the system. What's interesting to me is when this idiocy started up towards the beginning of the Obama administration, it was mainly people advocating apparently reasonable things like feminism, tolerance, welfare, etc. Now these pigs are just full on screaming for socialism and doing their best to hurt and destroy anyone who disagrees.

The funniest thing to me is there was an absolute piece of garbage social justice warrior here who used to scream about how the minimum wage needs to be hiked. Now that the city has one, he's screaming about how things like beer and cigarettes have raised by 150-200%. What'd you think was going to happen dumb fuck? How can you be screaming for fundamental changes to society and life when you don't understand basic things like economics?

Socialism is the most retarded thing ever. Socialism preaches equality yet needs an elite/ruling class to instill that equality which negates the whole fucking point and creates fascism. I honestly think Americans are too stupid as a whole to pick up a history book or even know how/why the USSR collapsed, so we're about to repeat some ugly parts of the 20th century while a few con men/women run off with a lot of wealth by manipulating victim marks.

History just repeats itself over and over and over and over...

In the end history repeats itself because it's never about trying to do something to benefit others, only to serve "self-interest".

What disgusts me is that we've never truly seen a "communist" state in action, merely a veil used to hide totalitarianism.  Frankly, I don't believe communism can work because it impedes the creative aspects of humanity.

Socialism (at least the kind espoused by American progressives), however, can.  Used as a cornerstone of American society, it can greatly reduce crime created by severe income inequality and limited opportunity.  It can eliminate the uncertainty of caring for health and, in fact, could greatly reduce the cost of health by encouraging preventive care rather than waiting until the onset of disease. 
The greatness of American ingenuity would still be here; people would still get rich and lead the lives they strive to lead (unless their only goal is to create indignity) and true American Exceptionalism would surface with every new generation.
The difference is that, as part of the price to live in (and benefit from) this great society, we use these talents to assist those who don't have entrepreneurial skill or who can own a business to lead productive, meaningful lives.
You'd be surprised at how dignity and freedom from want fulfills the yearning in a person; the satisfaction of knowing that their family is cared for and that they can pursue happiness in their lives.  Not everyone needs to be on a yacht drenching themselves in Pol Roger while chowing down beluga caviar.  The knowledge that, while on this earth, they were people who did right by others would offer them the satisfaction conservatives believe only the constant accrual of wealth would do.

No, I'm glad many "cold warriors" are leaving this mortal coil.  Their pernicious cynicism, paranoia, and duplicity nearly cost this world it's very life and their never ending wars have depleted humanity of the many resources needed to offer ourselves a greater life on this wondrous creation.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #251 on: September 29, 2015, 02:33:11 PM »
Actually Marx and Engels did espouse genocide in their writings...Lenin and Stalin embraced this policy of "purging"...



Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #252 on: September 29, 2015, 04:38:37 PM »
Actually Marx and Engels did espouse genocide in their writings...Lenin and Stalin embraced this policy of "purging"...




Or, in fact, perhaps not...

http://communism-explained.blogspot.com/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html

In any event, neither Bernie Sanders, nor I, nor any progressive I've ever met are calling for anyone to be exterminated. 

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #253 on: September 29, 2015, 09:08:40 PM »
In the end history repeats itself because it's never about trying to do something to benefit others, only to serve "self-interest".

What disgusts me is that we've never truly seen a "communist" state in action, merely a veil used to hide totalitarianism.  Frankly, I don't believe communism can work because it impedes the creative aspects of humanity.

Socialism (at least the kind espoused by American progressives), however, can.  Used as a cornerstone of American society, it can greatly reduce crime created by severe income inequality and limited opportunity.  It can eliminate the uncertainty of caring for health and, in fact, could greatly reduce the cost of health by encouraging preventive care rather than waiting until the onset of disease. 
The greatness of American ingenuity would still be here; people would still get rich and lead the lives they strive to lead (unless their only goal is to create indignity) and true American Exceptionalism would surface with every new generation.
The difference is that, as part of the price to live in (and benefit from) this great society, we use these talents to assist those who don't have entrepreneurial skill or who can own a business to lead productive, meaningful lives.
You'd be surprised at how dignity and freedom from want fulfills the yearning in a person; the satisfaction of knowing that their family is cared for and that they can pursue happiness in their lives.  Not everyone needs to be on a yacht drenching themselves in Pol Roger while chowing down beluga caviar.  The knowledge that, while on this earth, they were people who did right by others would offer them the satisfaction conservatives believe only the constant accrual of wealth would do.

No, I'm glad many "cold warriors" are leaving this mortal coil.  Their pernicious cynicism, paranoia, and duplicity nearly cost this world it's very life and their never ending wars have depleted humanity of the many resources needed to offer ourselves a greater life on this wondrous creation.

Please explain how that is supposed to work. I continually read these big claims of how socialism is the answer yet it's never worked in reality and it's never been explained to me why robbing the rich and penalizing creativity is supposed to create a utopia. The whole idea of robbing the rich to pay intellectuals for excuses on why the system isn't working seems idiotic to me. Plus the rich is just going to pass off the inflation to the poor anyway which defeats the whole point. Plus you want the government wandering into your life telling you that you can't have a yacht or can't eat red meat? That's so against the basic principals of America and you have to be a complete mark to not think that's going to open up our society even more to rampant corruption. Also why should we be penalized and not enjoy caviar on a yacht because "the masses" are too stupid to get their shit together?

Also whether we like it or not we're racing towards a socialist system. Once Obama's new banking regulations hit by the end of the year, only a very select few people under 30 will be able to buy a house.

These images socialists paint of uber rich people on yachts being problem amuses me. Again we have bankrupt completely fraudulent system that continues to be destroyed through horrible politics. But some rich guy on a yacht, he's the problem. A capitalist society produces wealth, a socialist society produces excuses. I don't want brain dead intellectuals or the government getting into my life.

Socialism is just an assault on freedom perpetuated by brain dead intellectuals who want to make their failings in life everyone else's problem.

I'm sorry, when I was under 30 I was a hardcore militant liberal who was open to this stuff. However in my adulthood which involves weekly interactions with politicians, bankers, lawyers and large sums of money, socialism is the dumbest idea I've ever seen. It cannot possibly work with how evil and corrupt humans are.

I'm not attacking you personally, I genuinely want answers to this. Personally socialism would be spectacular for me because I would exploit the corruption and black market to the fullest extent I possibly could. Anyone with half a brain would do the same.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #254 on: September 29, 2015, 09:18:15 PM »
Or, in fact, perhaps not...

http://communism-explained.blogspot.com/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html

In any event, neither Bernie Sanders, nor I, nor any progressive I've ever met are calling for anyone to be exterminated.

You are now defending Marx/Engels from a pro-communist blog...not a position I would want to be in as a "progressive" or "socialist"...here an advocate for "communism" pens a letter to Marx/Engles...I found it very interesting and enlightening...even this neo-communist admits to the advocacy of genocide and murder for the implementation of the all powerful socialist state...

http://writing.ucsc.edu/RothmanAwards/PDFs/rothman11-12/Margolin.pdf

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #255 on: September 29, 2015, 09:26:36 PM »
I feel like I'm having a Vietnam flashback/freakout right now reading this nonsense. I used to be around poor, broke, hungry artists and intellectuals that espoused this nonsense 24 hours a day because their info streams on their social media feeds told them to. Then you come to find out the bulls and pigs programming this nonsense are just hypocritical compulsive lying con men/women using 19th and 20th century mindfuck tactics to create wealth for themselves.


Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #256 on: September 29, 2015, 09:35:15 PM »
I feel like I'm having a Vietnam flashback/freakout right now reading this nonsense. I used to be around poor, broke, hungry artists and intellectuals that espoused this nonsense 24 hours a day because their info streams on their social media feeds told them too. Then you come to find out the bulls and pigs programming this nonsense are just hypocritical compulsive lying con men/women using 19th and 20th century mindfuck tactics to create wealth for themselves.

Communism completely failed....on all social, political and economic levels...to defend and pretend the system did not advocate genocide is disheartening and repulsive...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin. In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.

"Among all the nations and sub-nations of Austria, only three standard-bearers of progress took an active part in history, and are still capable of life -- the Germans, the Poles and the Magyars. Hence they are now revolutionary. All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary holocaust. ["world storm" ? J.D.] For that reason they are now counter-revolutionary. ...these residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extirpation or loss of their national character ... [A general war will] wipe out all these racial trash [Völkerabfälle - original was given at Marxist websites as "petty hidebound nations" J.D.] down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward."
- Friedrich Engels, "The Magyar Struggle," Neue Rheinische Zeitung, January 13, 1849

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #257 on: September 30, 2015, 06:59:31 PM »
Please explain how that is supposed to work.

It works because, when asked about the effectiveness of many social programs, overwhelming numbers of Americans used them not as "free stuff'" but, in fact, a leg up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/opinion/smart-social-programs.html?_r=0

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I continually read these big claims of how socialism is the answer yet it's never worked in reality

It's never really been tried.  Ask seniors their opinions on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.  Conservatives derisively connote "entitlements" yet these are benefits earned in a pay as you go system.  They are very popular.  No matter how much conservatives pillory Obamacare, many millions have been able to access insurance; the more people learn about it, the more they like it.  Who doesn't like it?  People in states that haven't signed onto the medicaid supplement. And the rich who were profiteering off them.

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... and it's never been explained to me why robbing the rich and penalizing creativity is supposed to create a utopia.

It's this selfish mentality that is the true cause of America's rot (and the core founding belief of conservatism).  How is asking our most successful citizens to sustain the very nation that afforded them the opportunity to succeed in the first place "robbery"?  How is creativity "penalized"?  What part of any programs ever suggested are intended to strip all the wealth away from anyone?

It is this doctrine (really, mythology) of "American Exceptionalism" (a misapplied term - our real exceptionalism comes from our good stewardship, not in making a buck) that appeals to the Id of even the poorest who dream of a future of wealth.  Ironic; with the levels of wealth enjoyed by our top "earners" there is no danger of impoverishment if we DOUBLED their tax obligation, yet our poorest people fear losing a wealth they do not (nor likely will) have. 

Excellent job of messaging by conservatives.

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The whole idea of robbing the rich to pay intellectuals for excuses on why the system isn't working seems idiotic to me.

That's because that's an idiotic scenario.  "Robbing the rich to pay intellectuals" is an absurdist, extremist extension of fear mongering conservatives engage in to protect their hoarding.  And, again, "robbing"?  I would love you to explain this, please:

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/24/drug-prices-which-companies-may-be-the-next-targets.html

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Plus the rich is just going to pass off the inflation to the poor anyway which defeats the whole point.

You mean like the Bush tax cuts?  The height of political cynicism.  American voters, in good faith, doubled down on Supply side economics and supported Republicans in their tax cut promises.  So, where did all those "job creators" place their new gained wealth?  Startups?  Expansion?

No, they took the very money conservatives swore up and down would be used to develop new businesses and, in turn, new jobs and bought treasuries.  They ran up the cost on consumables everywhere.  Coffee, up.  Beef, up. Oil, up.  Always a story in the business media about "worries of crop/production/supply shortages" fueling the price spiking.  Even Jim Cramer, trying to explain speculation away in the markets, slipped and said it accounted for "no more than 20%" of the price. 

20%?  If that were a tax conservatives would march on (ok, be chauffered to) Washington D.C.

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Plus you want the government wandering into your life telling you that you can't have a yacht or can't eat red meat?

Nope.  Never said it. Not part of any statement I've made.

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That's so against the basic principals of America and you have to be a complete mark to not think that's going to open up our society even more to rampant corruption. Also why should we be penalized and not enjoy caviar on a yacht because "the masses" are too stupid to get their shit together?

Now you're engaging in classic conservative straw man argument.  Never called for punishment.  In fact, my yacht example was to illustrate the minimal impact a modest increase in income tax or the elimination of the social security cap would have on the vast wealth of the one percent (ten percent, even).

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Also whether we like it or not we're racing towards a socialist system.

Because people want it.  They're tired of America's devolvement into a "winner take all" game where only the most socioeconomically privileged set the rules and reap the rewards.  Talk about "against the basic principals of America"! How does permitting wealth to supercede the vote exemplify American principles?  Conservative priciples, of course, but not American principles.

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Once Obama's new banking regulations hit by the end of the year, only a very select few people under 30 will be able to buy a house.

Leaving your crystal ball aside, two things: 1) No one under 30 can buy a house now and 2) yeah, the banking system was really humming along before.

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These images socialists paint of uber rich people on yachts being problem amuses me.

What a strange reaction.  Frankly its a rather boring image.

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Again we have bankrupt completely fraudulent system that continues to be destroyed through horrible politics.

Yes, we have a gerrymandered Congress that does not actually represent the will of the people.  They're too busy naming everything under the sun after Ronald Reagan and up to their, what, 60th vote to repeal Obamacare?  Yeah, that's humming along, too.
 
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But some rich guy on a yacht, he's the problem.

Chances are.  However, we can mitigate the catastrophic impact his affluence and arrogance has by requiring him to be a bit more participatory.  What's so wrong about bringing an end to outsourcing?  "Streamlining"?  "Golden parachutes"? The incestuous arrangements of executives filling each other's boards of directors?  The next time some CFO decides laying off 30,000 will help him make his 3rd quarter reporting bonus, why not make him pay for it?

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A capitalist society produces wealth, a socialist society produces excuses.

Great bumper sticker.  A socialist society will ensure that the capitalists don't change the rules and grab everything that isn't nailed down. That's all; no sinister transfer of wealth or "robbery".

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I don't want brain dead intellectuals or the government getting into my life.

Almost as much as I don't want private entities and their connected relationships getting into mine.

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Socialism is just an assault on freedom perpetuated by brain dead intellectuals who want to make their failings in life everyone else's problem.

Wow, this is a thing with you, isn't it?  Why do I get the feeling perhaps Mrs Quimby was tempted by or strayed into the arms of some "brain dead intellectual" who was quite the clever speaker...

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I'm sorry, when I was under 30 I was a hardcore militant liberal who was open to this stuff. However in my adulthood which involves weekly interactions with politicians, bankers, lawyers and large sums of money, socialism is the dumbest idea I've ever seen.

No.  No you weren't.  This is the most tired of conservatives' tripe, this old trope that "I was once a liberal, but, by God, I grew up when I got into the real world." It's a paternalistic way to imply that liberalism and/or socialism is somehow "child like".  And, yes, it's a personal attack.

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It cannot possibly work with how evil and corrupt humans are.

No, it cannot work if we approach it only with world weary cynicism.  We need to keep the system honest; it's naive to think it "utopian" or some magic pill, but it's a far better way than "do or die; it's all mine".

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I'm not attacking you personally, I genuinely want answers to this.

Kinda seems like you were, especially "brain dead intellectual", but ok.  I hope I've at least set up a frame work of what it is progressives are seeing as an opportunity to re-include the other 90% of the nation.  No one's going on trial.  No one's going from the penthouse to the poorhouse. We'll never achieve perfection. Let's just make this better than it is.

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Personally socialism would be spectacular for me because I would exploit the corruption and black market to the fullest extent I possibly could. Anyone with half a brain would do the same.

The true enemy of the American Dream is the cynic who seeks exploitative opportunites rather than economic ones. 

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #258 on: September 30, 2015, 08:56:37 PM »
It works because, when asked about the effectiveness of many social programs, overwhelming numbers of Americans used them not as "free stuff'" but, in fact, a leg up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/opinion/smart-social-programs.html?_r=0

It's never really been tried.  Ask seniors their opinions on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.  Conservatives derisively connote "entitlements" yet these are benefits earned in a pay as you go system.  They are very popular.  No matter how much conservatives pillory Obamacare, many millions have been able to access insurance; the more people learn about it, the more they like it.  Who doesn't like it?  People in states that haven't signed onto the medicaid supplement. And the rich who were profiteering off them.

Yeah eliminating competition in the market place while making an efficient entity like the government the only means one can access health care or essential services will produce such great results. At what point in the modern era could people not walk into an emergency room and be treated? Also having so many hands in a business... that's just dumb. I'm not against social programs for the old and crippled but half of this country doesn't produce anything and your answer is to take more away from the other half?

Open a history book, socialism has been tried and failed many times. Two biggest examples are the USSR and Nazi Germany. Oh but your brand of socialism is going to be so much better right?

And I'm not a conservative.

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It's this selfish mentality that is the true cause of America's rot (and the core founding belief of conservatism).  How is asking our most successful citizens to sustain the very nation that afforded them the opportunity to succeed in the first place "robbery"?  How is creativity "penalized"?  What part of any programs ever suggested are intended to strip all the wealth away from anyone?

Why is it the responsibility of successful Americans to subsidize people who can't get their act together? And that "selfish mentality" is American exceptionalism and it's what built this country into a super power before Bush and Obama tag teamed to ruin the economy.

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It is this doctrine (really, mythology) of "American Exceptionalism" (a misapplied term - our real exceptionalism comes from our good stewardship, not in making a buck) that appeals to the Id of even the poorest who dream of a future of wealth.  Ironic; with the levels of wealth enjoyed by our top "earners" there is no danger of impoverishment if we DOUBLED their tax obligation, yet our poorest people fear losing a wealth they do not (nor likely will) have. 

Where do you draw the line? I'm all for taxing corporations and churches. It's criminal that we do not. But socialism will fuck anyone making upper middle class money and will ensure that the dwindling middle class stay the dwindling middle class because they won't be able to get ahead. Plus you want the government to redistribute wealth. That's so mind blowingly corrupt and naive, I wonder what planet you're on.

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Excellent job of messaging by conservatives.

Excellent two-dimensional thinking from someone who can't escape from an us versus them mentality that's been hammered into your brain along with the rest of this unrealistic rhetoric. I voted for Obama twice friend.

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That's because that's an idiotic scenario.  "Robbing the rich to pay intellectuals" is an absurdist, extremist extension of fear mongering conservatives engage in to protect their hoarding.  And, again, "robbing"?  I would love you to explain this, please:

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/24/drug-prices-which-companies-may-be-the-next-targets.html

What else do you call it when you forcefully take someone's money without earning it?

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You mean like the Bush tax cuts?  The height of political cynicism.  American voters, in good faith, doubled down on Supply side economics and supported Republicans in their tax cut promises.  So, where did all those "job creators" place their new gained wealth?  Startups?  Expansion?

You think there's a difference between Bush and Obama? One is going manipulate conservatives and one is going to manipulate liberals but they both have the same end and they're both economically the same  ;D How old are you? I call it cherry picking an article about a corrupt monopoly that has bought off the government. By the way, I marched in several protests against Bush and wanted that motherfucker dead which is why I became an ardent liberal which the Obama administration cured me of even though I do like Obama on a lot of levels.

Bush sold the tax cuts by giving a $600 payoff to the poor pissing away our surplus which brain dead poor people ate up and worshiped him like Jesus Christ after that. Rich people were trying to cover their ass at the time when all the ponzi schemes starting falling apart and our currency's value went to shit almost over night.

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No, they took the very money conservatives swore up and down would be used to develop new businesses and, in turn, new jobs and bought treasuries.  They ran up the cost on consumables everywhere.  Coffee, up.  Beef, up. Oil, up.  Always a story in the business media about "worries of crop/production/supply shortages" fueling the price spiking.  Even Jim Cramer, trying to explain speculation away in the markets, slipped and said it accounted for "no more than 20%" of the price. 

Read my previous statement.

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20%?  If that were a tax conservatives would march on (ok, be chauffered to) Washington D.C.

Nope.  Never said it. Not part of any statement I've made.

How else do you think the government is going to redistribute wealth and practice preventive health care? Is it just going to magically happen?

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Now you're engaging in classic conservative straw man argument.  Never called for punishment.  In fact, my yacht example was to illustrate the minimal impact a modest increase in income tax or the elimination of the social security cap would have on the vast wealth of the one percent (ten percent, even).

Stealing money is a punishment and hurts the flow of business. You used a classic socialist strawman argument yourself of painting a fat cat on a boat to illustrate your rhetoric when in reality a guy may have a million in the bank and ten million in equity but that's what he built up for himself and in business you need as much equity as possible to continue doing business and grow business. That's how our system works. Stealing money and equity from that guy to give to intellectuals to steal and write books about evil white men accomplishes what other than to make it harder to do business in this country and make the third world more appealing?

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Because people want it.  They're tired of America's devolvement into a "winner take all" game where only the most socioeconomically privileged set the rules and reap the rewards.  Talk about "against the basic principals of America"! How does permitting wealth to supercede the vote exemplify American principles?  Conservative priciples, of course, but not American principles.

You don't think the government will take every chance to expand it's powers? The government is a business just like any other business and most like mafia syndicate in it's design. The victim classes are being mind fucked into screaming they want the government to be their daddy and take care of their problems while the federal government is using their idiocy to expand their powers. Since Bush/Obama have decided to eradicate the middle class I get why dumb people think this rhetoric is the answer. However America stands on the minimization of authority and free enterprise which is the essence of freedom and America. Both of those things socialism is against.

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Leaving your crystal ball aside, two things: 1) No one under 30 can buy a house now and 2) yeah, the banking system was really humming along before.

So things were fucked before and now they're going to get even more fucked. That's the answer?

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What a strange reaction.  Frankly its a rather boring image.

...That's literally exactly what you said. That's also the classic image socialists paint. Do you want me to drop art history on you? I don't mind, socialist art is pretty bad ass.

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Yes, we have a gerrymandered Congress that does not actually represent the will of the people.  They're too busy naming everything under the sun after Ronald Reagan and up to their, what, 60th vote to repeal Obamacare?  Yeah, that's humming along, too.

We agree on this. Fuck Congress and brain dead conservatives. And fuck Ronald Reagan while I'm at it.
 
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Chances are.  However, we can mitigate the catastrophic impact his affluence and arrogance has by requiring him to be a bit more participatory.  What's so wrong about bringing an end to outsourcing?  "Streamlining"?  "Golden parachutes"? The incestuous arrangements of executives filling each other's boards of directors?  The next time some CFO decides laying off 30,000 will help him make his 3rd quarter reporting bonus, why not make him pay for it?

I don't disagree with you at all on this. I'm just confused why you think a system that has continually been shown to fail that advocates increasing the size and powers of the entity that fucked it all up in the first place is the answer?

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Great bumper sticker.  A socialist society will ensure that the capitalists don't change the rules and grab everything that isn't nailed down. That's all; no sinister transfer of wealth or "robbery".

Yeah because the government will do it and now the people won't have any chance of doing better for themselves. In a free enterprise capitalist society, anyone with brains or drive can improve their situation. I'm confused why you have this two dimensional thinking of only one thing or the other.

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Almost as much as I don't want private entities and their connected relationships getting into mine.

One is going to showing you annoying ads based on your internet habits. The other can throw you in prison, destroy your livelihood an control every aspect of your life. I don't want either.

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Wow, this is a thing with you, isn't it?  Why do I get the feeling perhaps Mrs Quimby was tempted by or strayed into the arms of some "brain dead intellectual" who was quite the clever speaker...

I didn't get personal with you dickhead. I could have just as easily called you an unworldly beta white male pogue faux intellectual who talks about ideas he doesn't understand because it gives him the delusion of knowledge and excuses for his failed life, poverty and the fact no one wants to fuck him at his community college. But I didn't go there.

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No.  No you weren't.  This is the most tired of conservatives' tripe, this old trope that "I was once a liberal, but, by God, I grew up when I got into the real world." It's a paternalistic way to imply that liberalism and/or socialism is somehow "child like".  And, yes, it's a personal attack.

You are one dumb fuck. Honestly. You want people to fit into your little socialist world view even when it doesn't work. I marched in more gay rights parades, wrote for alternative media, was at WTO and worked with local liberal politicians. I worked more in liberal causes that you can imagine. I still believe in a lot of those causes but after watching what a hive minded authoritative pile of shit liberalism has become in this country, I can't understand why anyone but marks would subscribe to it. And in in a couple years when conservatives are back on top, I'll be talking about what a pile of shit conservatism is. The problem is authority and right now liberals have that authority. In a few years, conservatives will have that authority. And on an on it goes, American society is a pendulum. Sorry I hurt your feelings.

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No, it cannot work if we approach it only with world weary cynicism.  We need to keep the system honest; it's naive to think it "utopian" or some magic pill, but it's a far better way than "do or die; it's all mine".

You want to replace a bad system with a worse system. It's this kind of thinking that is really doing this country in.

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Kinda seems like you were, especially "brain dead intellectual", but ok.  I hope I've at least set up a frame work of what it is progressives are seeing as an opportunity to re-include the other 90% of the nation.  No one's going on trial.  No one's going from the penthouse to the poorhouse. We'll never achieve perfection. Let's just make this better than it is.

Politics are an illusion chum, none of this bullshit matters. I'm sure you have many winning qualities and I mean that non-sarcastically. We're on the same page more than I think we both realize.

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The true enemy of the American Dream is the cynic who seeks exploitative opportunites rather than economic ones.

That's humanity my friend. If you don't take the opportunity you're a sucker because someone else will. And I think it's silly to advocate a system that will somehow fix these flaws when the flaws lie with humanity. The answer isn't to expand the powers of the entity that's largely responsible for fucking it up in the first place.

Ironically according to political charts out of all the 2016 candidates my politics identify most with Bernie Sanders at 82% which I find rather disturbing.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #259 on: September 30, 2015, 09:01:18 PM »
You still didn't explain how robbing rich and giving it to the poor is going to change anything or make anything better. You threw more socialist rhetoric at me that didn't include any solutions and then used the classic retreat scheme of human nature is corrupt. Of course human nature is corrupt. That's why socialism never works and is a horrible idea.

Socialism also always eventually leads into communism which leads into totalitarianism because socialism and corporatism has to merge because the rich will always figure out a way to fuck the poor, that's why they're rich. Why do you think China has gone to a capitalist economy after decades of failure? Read about Deng Xiaoping, he got it like Teddy Roosevelt got it. It's about blending the best of all ideas and educating yourself on everything.

Personally I think we should just rid of income tax all together, get rid of special groups and agencies like the IRS, ATF and all that other bullshit and have a national sales tax. I've never understood why that idea makes socialists vomit with rage but having a national sales tax would be the simplistic and most fair way of dealing with a lot of this bullshit.

A poor person buying a carton of milk and a rich corporation buying a jumbo jet are getting hit exactly the same.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #260 on: October 02, 2015, 04:24:13 PM »
Yeah eliminating competition in the market place while making an efficient entity like the government the only means one can access health care or essential services will produce such great results.

You mean like in Australia:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harlan-green/single-payer-universal-he_b_8229764.html

And Canada:

http://www.simcoe.com/opinion-story/5939153-feds-destroying-public-health-care-system/

(this article discusses Canadian overall satisfaction with national health and conservatives' undermining the system)

And Sweden:

https://sweden.se/society/health-care-in-sweden/

(this article highlights how they pay for their system)

So I don't understand the unwillingness of the richest nation on earth to provide the same social structure that so many others do.  How is that good or fair or right in any way, shape, or form?

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At what point in the modern era could people not walk into an emergency room and be treated?

Walk into Bridgeport Hospital with anything less than a gunshot wound and you're at least 6 hours.

When did "emergency" stop meaning "emergency"?  When ER's became clinics due to crap healthcare opportunities.

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Also having so many hands in a business... that's just dumb. I'm not against social programs for the old and crippled but half of this country doesn't produce anything and your answer is to take more away from the other half?

I know you have an axe to grind but this is criminally simplistic and wrong.  Half this country doesn't produce anything?  Even in our slow period of economic growth, our labor participation rate is
62.4%.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-94610000-americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-lowest-38

I'm not happy about it but its more than half.  It's nearly 2/3's.  As to "taking away" from the other half?  How exactly did that "other half" earn it's wage?  In a vacuum?  Through hard work, long hours, and frugality?  No.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bacd66d2-68fd-11e5-97d0-1456a776a4f5.html#axzz3nRV3x9RI

Wage growth the last 40 years hasn't even kept up with inflation, and its had 7 years of minimal inflation (0 fed rate) in which to catch up, but hasn't.  Who's fault is that?  The government's?!?

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Open a history book, socialism has been tried and failed many times. Two biggest examples are the USSR and Nazi Germany. Oh but your brand of socialism is going to be so much better right?

Really?  The USSR?  You mean the country that's only ever had a strongman in power?
What's the difference between Nicolas Romanov, Josef Stalin, and Vladimir Putin?  The color of their flags.  That's it.
As to Hitler?  The most conservative government (industry joined with politics) in history euphemistically calling itself "socialist".  Not even worth further rebuttal.

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And I'm not a conservative.

Walk like a duck, talk like a duck, bitch like a liberal who got mugged...

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Why is it the responsibility of successful Americans to subsidize people who can't get their act together?

It's the responsibility of all Americans to keep this dream alive.  It's the responsibility of all Americans to say, "hey, I did pretty well under this socioeconomic philosophy - let me pass it forward".  The rich, who have benefitted here as they could have nowhere else, really ought to feel obliged to keep this great experiment moving forward, not sealing up the hatch behind them. 

As to "can't get their act together"?  Not even close to understanding what that means (and I really hope you're not disparaging people who work two and three crappy part time jobs and need TANF or SNAP).

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And that "selfish mentality" is American exceptionalism

No it isn't.  Creating a country where the vote is the most precious possession is exceptional. Fighting for a government that represents the people and codifying it in a living document that can be altered without being an act of heresy is exceptional. Emancipating the slaves is exceptional.  Destroying the Nazis is exceptional.  Building the Panama Canal is exceptional.  Landing a man on the moon is exceptional. Creating the internet is exceptional.  Helping other nations recover from natural disaster is exceptional. Being a country that can admit its wrongs and is willing to do something about it is exceptional.

A bunch of people chasing the almighty dollar?  Not so much.

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... and it's what built this country into a super power before Bush and Obama tag teamed to ruin the economy.

Fuck being a superpower.  Didn't protect us on 9/11, did it?  Really showed the Iraqis and the Pastun, didn't we?  Rather not have to subsidize patrolling the Pacific Ocean to allow WalMart's goods to come safely across.

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Where do you draw the line? I'm all for taxing corporations and churches. It's criminal that we do not.

I draw the line, as many progressives do, at keeping a social strata intact that doesn't disenfranchise vast swaths of our people.  Creating wealth is marvelous.  Wouldn't begrudge someone innovative like Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk.  Yet does this mean they are entitled to grab all they can?  Does it mean that they aren't rich if we tax them enough to create a social foundation where no one goes hungry or is denied health care or shelter?

I've never understood the opposite argument. How is anyone "punished"?  Are you not still rich?  do you not still enjoy luxury?  And you can, guilt free, but please don't game the system for tax breaks like off shoring your earnings or reincorporating in a foreign country (frankly an island) to avoid your responsibility to this nation.  There is no model that suggests we cannot afford to create a basic life for those who cannot achieve that impedes the life of those who can.
That's where I draw the line.  Earn all you can, but please remember the country that created these conditions for you.

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But socialism will fuck anyone making upper middle class money and will ensure that the dwindling middle class stay the dwindling middle class because they won't be able to get ahead.

No, this is the position that makes me nuts!!!  This is the absolute fucking opposite of what its designed to do!  It's designed to ensure you don't go bankrupt caring for health conditions!  It's designed to afford you a mortgage that doesn't game you with "no negative amortization". it's designed to ensure that you don't fall in hunger and despair trying to find a job when Corporation X sells your job (and your ass) out to India!!  It's designed to offer education that permits our home grown to take the jobs that cannot be currently filled!!   How is any of that wrong?!?!?!?

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Plus you want the government to redistribute wealth. That's so mind blowingly corrupt and naive, I wonder what planet you're on.

You say you're not a conservative and loft this gob full of gall?  That's "mind blowingly corrupt".  Who the fuck is talking about redistribution?  And, frankly, whose wealth?!?

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Excellent two-dimensional thinking from someone who can't escape from an us versus them mentality that's been hammered into your brain along with the rest of this unrealistic rhetoric.

And again, I wonder if you actually read any of my responses or just barge ahead with your misinformed ideology?  I just don't understand the mentality that says "It's ALL mine; fuck everyone else!"
 
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I voted for Obama twice friend.

Two excellent votes. 

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What else do you call it when you forcefully take someone's money without earning it?

We are talking about two different perspectives here; I see taxation with representation as a due part of being a citizen of this great nation, you apparently see it as armed robbery.  Please tell me I got you wrong.

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You think there's a difference between Bush and Obama?

Gods, yes.

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One is going manipulate conservatives and one is going to manipulate liberals but they both have the same end and they're both economically the same  ;D

I'm sorry but the evidence screams to the contrary.  Did GWB craft an agreement with our largest economic competitor to mutually reduce toxins into our environment?  Did GWB nail down an agreement with Iran to slow their nuclear expansion (and put people on the ground who can give us reams of information as to what the Iranians are really up to)?  Did GWB really "protect this nation" as his brother claims or did I misread the calendar and 9/11 happened under Clinton?  Did GWB nail the bastard who masterminded it or did he publicly state that he didn't see him as a threat anymore? Did GWB protect us as the banking system damn near collapsed or did he abdicate his authority and wait for the new guy to try to clean it up?

Man you go on for hours.  Obama is a waaaaay better president than GWB (or Dick Cheney).

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How old are you?

46.  Thanks for asking.

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I call it cherry picking an article about a corrupt monopoly that has bought off the government.

I call it willful ignorance (and criminal negligence) to believe that was cherry picking.

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By the way, I marched in several protests against Bush and wanted that motherfucker dead which is why I became an ardent liberal which the Obama administration cured me of even though I do like Obama on a lot of levels.

I wonder how Obama pissed you off?  I don't get it.  He never took anyone's guns.  His presidency has seen the creation of more jobs than any president in 40+ years.  He may have let the Patriot Act and the Bush tax cuts sunset, but how's that bad for anyone?

Is he wrong on Snowden?  Yes.  Is he wrong on the NSA?  Yes.  Should he renegotiate NAFTA?  Yes.  It the Trans Pacific Partnership dubious legislation?  Yes.  But who has run for president in the last 20 years who would have done better?

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Bush sold the tax cuts by giving a $600 payoff to the poor pissing away our surplus which brain dead poor people ate up and worshiped him like Jesus Christ after that. Rich people were trying to cover their ass at the time when all the ponzi schemes starting falling apart and our currency's value went to shit almost over night.

And they screwed us by buying debt instead of paying for it.  They ran up the prices of consumables with their money instead of creating whole new industries.  I just cannot sympathize with them.

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How else do you think the government is going to redistribute wealth and practice preventive health care? Is it just going to magically happen?

No. In the UK and other nations they have incentive programs for doctors who are thorough and do follow up exams with patients.  No magic; just legwork.

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Stealing money is a punishment and hurts the flow of business.

Sure does.  That's why organized crime sucks.  What benefit does the mafia have on society?

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You used a classic socialist strawman argument yourself of painting a fat cat on a boat to illustrate your rhetoric when in reality a guy may have a million in the bank and ten million in equity but that's what he built up for himself and in business you need as much equity as possible to continue doing business and grow business.

Then you misread my statement.  It was to demonstrate that the guy in the boat has the wherewithal to do more for his country at no detriment to his current lifestyle.

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That's how our system works.

Except that it doesn't.  When one percent of your population controls over 60% of your nation's assets and your entire political system, it ain't working.  When wages stay flat for 40 years relative to massive gains in productivity, it ain't working.  When people go bankrupt for fighting cancer, it ain't working.

As LT used to say, "Son, you gotta do better than that."

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Stealing money and equity from that guy to give to intellectuals to steal and write books about evil white men accomplishes what other than to make it harder to do business in this country and make the third world more appealing?

I've read this paragraph three times and I'm still like "Whaaaa?"

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You don't think the government will take every chance to expand it's powers?

The bureaucracy will, sure. However a vigilant Congress and Chief Executive (and perhaps a core of Inspectors General) will curtail that.  How?  Term limits.  Used to hate 'em, but I've come around.  We already limit the Chief, why not the douchebags who have six and seven terms in the House??

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The government is a business just like any other business and most like mafia syndicate in it's design. The victim classes are being mind fucked into screaming they want the government to be their daddy and take care of their problems while the federal government is using their idiocy to expand their powers. Since Bush/Obama have decided to eradicate the middle class I get why dumb people think this rhetoric is the answer. However America stands on the minimization of authority and free enterprise which is the essence of freedom and America. Both of those things socialism is against.

Alas, it has been the "minimization of authority" which has gotten us into this mess.  Citizens United? Of no benefit to our nation.  Repeal of Glass Steagall?  Of no benefit to our nation. Chronic merger and acquisition?  One of the biggest job killers out there.

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So things were fucked before and now they're going to get even more fucked. That's the answer?

Your premise is skewed; it presumes failure.  I see it as an opportunity to harness our nation's strength to the benefit of our people. 

[quote...That's literally exactly what you said.[/quote]

Yeah, no. No it isn't.

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That's also the classic image socialists paint. Do you want me to drop art history on you? I don't mind, socialist art is pretty bad ass.

Please, no I beg of you!  I may be a lib (not really - a prog) but I cannot stand the arts!!

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We agree on this. Fuck Congress and brain dead conservatives. And fuck Ronald Reagan while I'm at it.

Yeah! Fuck Ronald Reagan!!  Whooo HOOO!
 
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I don't disagree with you at all on this. I'm just confused why you think a system that has continually been shown to fail that advocates increasing the size and powers of the entity that fucked it all up in the first place is the answer?

I think it can and will if it is phased in.  Doing a wholesale change is silly and stupid.  Why not start with healthcare?  Do you know most Americans support it and so do many doctors:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/851265

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Yeah because the government will do it and now the people won't have any chance of doing better for themselves.

In a government of the people, by the people, for the people, at least they will have a chance to try.

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In a free enterprise capitalist society, anyone with brains or drive can improve their situation. I'm confused why you have this two dimensional thinking of only one thing or the other.

Because I have worked in the private sector all my life and have seen good people passed over for frat brothers.  I have seen the Bain Capitals of the world destroy viable companies (like KB Toys) for the sake of mining them for massive "management fees" which the outgoing boards of directors approve (as they get their cut).  I have seen small business people who cheat vendors out of agreed upon payments, knowing full well the vendors will take what they can get because it is more than what they could do in court.  I have seen car companies knowingly install devices to cheat environmental standards and an executive who knowingly released salmonella tainted peanut butter to avoid the costs of recall.  I saw Bear Stearns overleverage itself and not one executive from Jimmy Cayne on down know what the hell was happening.  I have seen Lehmann Brothers do it to an even larger extent.  I have seen Countrywide Financial knowingly underwrite mortgages to unqualified lenders and then package them to Goldman Sachs, who in turn set up counter party trades where the client (John Paulson) hand picked the mortgage bond tranches to bet against.   

I could do this for hours.

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One is going to showing you annoying ads based on your internet habits. The other can throw you in prison, destroy your livelihood an control every aspect of your life. I don't want either.

Well, hell, neither do I.

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I didn't get personal with you dickhead.

No, not at all...

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I could have just as easily called you an unworldly beta white male pogue faux intellectual who talks about ideas he doesn't understand because it gives him the delusion of knowledge and excuses for his failed life, poverty and the fact no one wants to fuck him at his community college.

And I could've called you a wildly successful, wisened knowledgeable soul, but then we'd both be wrong.

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You are one dumb fuck. Honestly.

Keeping it not personal.

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You want people to fit into your little socialist world view even when it doesn't work.

I want social justice for all people.  And, again, I'd like to try it for once before presuming it can't be done.

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I marched in more gay rights parades, wrote for alternative media, was at WTO and worked with local liberal politicians.

Your lib medal, "The Order of the Spotted Owl", is in the mail.

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I worked more in liberal causes that you can imagine. I still believe in a lot of those causes but after watching what a hive minded authoritative pile of shit liberalism has become in this country, I can't understand why anyone but marks would subscribe to it.

We see two wildly divergent worlds; I see anything but a "hive mind" to libs and progs.  You want hive mind?  Watch the Republican debates and see how many times they can reference Ronald Reagan.  "What do you think of the Mets' chances in the postseason?"  "As the Gipper himself said..."
 
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And in in a couple years when conservatives are back on top, I'll be talking about what a pile of shit conservatism is. The problem is authority and right now liberals have that authority. In a few years, conservatives will have that authority. And on an on it goes, American society is a pendulum.

Quite true that bit about the pendulum.  I'd like to somehow limit the extremes of the range of sway.

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Sorry I hurt your feelings.

If I can bring you even a little bit back into the fold, I would be happy to have you insinuate inappropriate relations with my various relatives all day long.

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You want to replace a bad system with a worse better system.

FIFY

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It's this kind of thinking that is really doing this country in.

No, its the "every man for himself" and "fear the walking brownies" mentality which poisons our nation's soul.

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Politics are an illusion chum, none of this bullshit matters. I'm sure you have many winning qualities and I mean that non-sarcastically. We're on the same page more than I think we both realize.

I truly hope.

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That's humanity my friend. If you don't take the opportunity you're a sucker because someone else will. And I think it's silly to advocate a system that will somehow fix these flaws when the flaws lie with humanity. The answer isn't to expand the powers of the entity that's largely responsible for fucking it up in the first place.

Is it really silly to try?  Isn't there something more for humanity than settling? If we can get passed acquisition as the ends to living, isn't there greater opportunity in this universe?

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Ironically according to political charts out of all the 2016 candidates my politics identify most with Bernie Sanders at 82% which I find rather disturbing.

Why?  He's intelligent and uncorruptable.  I would like to think it's those qualities in you that draw you to him. 

Keep the faith; humanity may often present itself as excrement but there is so much more to us than that.  We are capable of wonderful things (like creating a nation not of hierarchy bit of equally applied law, for example!)

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #261 on: October 02, 2015, 09:46:54 PM »
Meh, I don't even care anymore.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #262 on: October 02, 2015, 10:59:27 PM »
Meh, I don't even care anymore.
Yep, the problem, REALLY, is just this. Most normal people just want to live their lives, run their businesses, love their families, and enjoy life. The problem is there are others; who, instead, want to tear that idea apart and deny it. For whatever weird reason, but it doesn't really matter- while the normal person goes about his day; finds value, worth, fun, and contentment in his family, activity, church, work, sports, or whatever these weirdos, I will use that term, seek to destroy that, because it is easier, short-term, to destroy or hurt others than try to be normal or happy. It is sad but often these people are in what they call "dead end jobs" at liquor stores, big box etc, even though, actually they could turn those jobs into good careers or find something else (though evidently harder under this character Obama's aegis.) 

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #263 on: October 03, 2015, 12:18:48 AM »
Meh... it's just arguing on the internet. After the first round, I don't really see a point in continuing. Would the hour it takes to respond to a page of nonsense really be worth it to me? Not really.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #264 on: October 03, 2015, 01:30:43 AM »
Meh... it's just arguing on the internet. After the first round, I don't really see a point in continuing. Would the hour it takes to respond to a page of nonsense really be worth it to me? Not really.

I tend to agree. However, you and Albrecht seem to think (your words) people that can't get their act together, and (Albrecht's words) weirdos with dead end jobs are responsible for the ruination of your sacred lifestyle. Yet, you both also seem to ignore the corruption that stems from those with affluence and influence. How you can rationalize that level of exploitation of the environment and the poor baffles me.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #265 on: October 03, 2015, 02:03:06 AM »
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN!




Sorry, wrong thread.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #266 on: October 03, 2015, 02:07:01 AM »
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN!




Sorry, wrong thread.

Not giving a damn, may well be amended to the preamble to the constitution.




We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, just don't give a damn.

It does roll off the tongue easily.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #267 on: October 03, 2015, 02:18:01 AM »
Not giving a damn, may well be amended to the preamble to the constitution.




We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, just don't give a damn.

It does roll off the tongue easily.
I like that.  ".....just don't give a damn.  We establish this Republic for current and future exceptionalism."

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #268 on: October 03, 2015, 02:22:57 AM »
I tend to agree. However, you and Albrecht seem to think (your words) people that can't get their act together, and (Albrecht's words) weirdos with dead end jobs are responsible for the ruination of your sacred lifestyle. Yet, you both also seem to ignore the corruption that stems from those with affluence and influence. How you can rationalize that level of exploitation of the environment and the poor baffles me.

I don't think they've ruined my lifestyle. I don't know what I am politically anymore. I think it's all crazy. I guess I define myself as a centrist pragmatic free agent who will take the best deal or wants the best solution to a problem without listening to a bunch of crazy bullshit and with as little authority as possible. I think albrecht would describe himself as pretty far to the right.

I do believe in welfare, education and government regulation where necessary. However half this country doesn't produce anything and that number rises with each generation. Education in this country went from 1st in the world to (I believe) 26th. America is rotting from the inside out. This is due to laziness, incompetence and government corruption and interference. I also think the stagnation today has a lot to do with the left co-opting a large part of academia to make professional bitching and victims a livelihood.

Corruption and greed is a part of life. It's what drives the economy. Most of this corruption and greed manifests itself in the government. So I'm confused why massive government expansion is the answer.

I'm all for protecting the environment but I don't want to sit through hippy bullshit or scams. The poor should be given every opportunity but most of them are going to blow their EBT cards on frivolous crap while making no effort to educate themselves or improve their situation while mass multiplying... so I'm indifferent. I care as much about the poor as Americans felt about the middle class while Bush was busy taking a chain saw to them. Like Carlin says, the rich keep the poor and middle class fighting so they can run off with all the money.

But look at Falkie, he's a prime example that our system as it is now is fine in that respect.

I think I'm just a realist. There's always going to be corrupt and no one gives a fuck unless it serves their interest. So might as well embrace, exploit and capitalize on that. Whatever happens in this country is going to benefit some rich group regardless of whatever name you want to give to that brand of politics.

Re: What are social justice warriors losing their shit about today?
« Reply #269 on: October 03, 2015, 02:31:39 AM »
I used to live in one of the most socialist cities in the country with literal socialists as local elected politicians. Yet I still somehow had to step over bodies on the side walk and walk past literally blocks of homeless people outside of missions. In every direction you looked there were homeless, or street people or junkies or all matter of society's castaways. Why isn't anyone helping these people? Because no one gives a fuck. It's just politics. I'm honest with myself about it.

Of course if we lived in a true socialist society, I guess the answer would be to just shoot them.