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Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« on: June 05, 2017, 07:25:11 PM »
An alarming headline from a Carnegie Foundation Graham Holdings Company outfit.  But it is an interesting situation. We have a big airbase there and do lots of business and educational swaps with them. Lots of ex-pats living there. Also ironic- the Saudis frowning upon funding terrorist and radical groups. Lucky we have Rex as DOS head, as he knows all these players quite well.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/05/will-qatars-diplomatic-exile-spark-the-next-great-war-saudi-arabia-trump-iran/

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-05/trump-vows-to-calm-gulf-flareup-as-saudis-turn-screws-on-qatar-j3kp3exj

http://kxan.com/2017/06/05/the-latest-egypt-suspends-air-links-with-qatar/

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2017, 07:33:35 PM »
Some damn fool thing in Qatar, eh?     :o

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2017, 07:39:36 PM »
Good post, albrecht.  The US has more than an airbase in Qatar, we have our combined air operations center there that directs air assets from multiple nations over a significant part of the world.  The Qataris have also been a steadfast and aggressive ally of the US going back to the Battle of Khafji in the Gulf War.


Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2017, 07:41:49 PM »
Some damn fool thing in Qatar, eh?     :o
Yeah. We don't have any Bismarcks around in power. Though I think fate granted us a bonus having Tillerson as DOS Head. He knows all the players and knows the importance of the region. I just hope the administration can stop with the anti-Iran, surround-Russia pro new coldwar, neo-con, Brzezinski (thankfully dead), Kissinger, etc crowd. "Not good" people in all of those countries and none trust-worthy but war is worse for everybody. We are too much in bed with the Saudis, me thinks, but a touchy situation. Also, even if not a war, the situation is dicey and effects a lot of the economy, war against ISIS, etc.

As aside with regard to the Balkan situation back then I leave you with this:
"Their training and arms came from Belgrade's "Union or Death" terrorist league. This faction of the Serbian "Black Hand" was under the leadership of a "Colonel Apis" (the bee), whose real identity was Colonel Dragutin Dimitrievitch, no less than the head of Serbian military intelligence. The assassins returned to Sarajevo on Jun-3 with pistols, bombs and cyanide to await the visit of the Archduke. " http://www.worldwar1.com/tlsara.htm

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2017, 09:31:06 PM »
Most Americans don't care as much but the rest of the world certainly does: Qatar also was chosen to host the 2022 World Cup (in a campaign fraught with corruption and scandal. They should hold a World Cup/Olympics between FIFA and the IOC, and maybe the Clintons and Putin  ;) for "Most Corrupt" Trophy.)

"The World Cup always takes place during the European off-season in June and July. During this period the average daytime high in most of Qatar exceeds 50 C (120 F), the average daily low temperatures not dropping below 30 C (86 F).[7] In response to this issue, Sheikh Mohammed bin Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, the 2022 Qatar bid chairman, has stated, "the event has to be organized in June or July. We will have to take the help of technology to counter the harsh weather. We have already set in motion the process. A stadium with controlled temperature is the answer to the problem. We have other plans up our sleeves as well""

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/27/clinton-foundation-donors-included-fifa-qatar-host-committee/

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2017, 07:06:58 PM »
Qatari Ambassador to the US telling CNN "the Russians" excuse.

Trump needs to back off a bit and let Tillerson and Mattis have some talks with people instead of doing foreign policy on Twitter and changing opinions/views seemingly at random.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gulf-qatar-idUSKBN18X0KF

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2017, 03:23:29 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/world/middleeast/iran-parliament-attack-khomeini-mausoleum.html?_r=0
"Assailants with rifles, explosives and womens disguises stunned Iran on Wednesday with audacious attacks on the Parliament building and tomb of its revolutionary founder, the worst terrorist strike to hit the Islamic republic in years.

At least 12 people were killed and 42 wounded in the pair of assaults, which lasted for hours and clearly took Irans elite security forces by surprise. The six known attackers also were killed, official media said, and five suspects were reported detained."

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2017, 04:02:46 PM »
I heard some guy on local talk radio today, talking about how Qatar is supposedly the greatest ally the US has ever had.

It was hilarious. How many Qatari gave their lives in Vietnam? Just send more DU rounds, that worked out so well last time.

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2017, 06:21:17 PM »
I heard some guy on local talk radio today, talking about how Qatar is supposedly the greatest ally the US has ever had.

It was hilarious. How many Qatari gave their lives in Vietnam? Just send more DU rounds, that worked out so well last time.
It depends on which "US" the caller meant. Qatar has been very friendly with certain industries, companies, families, and even schools but nobody over there is really concerned about the US, in general or as a country, unless it serves their purpose for a time (that is, we will sell them arms, we will fight their wars, we will defend their shipping lanes, etc.) But they weren't even a real, independent country during much of the Vietnam war I think still under the British. Another one of those fucked up, excuse my French, fake "royal" "country" created by Britain post-Ottomans.

The attack in Iran coming right after the announcement of the rest of the Gulf States suddenly kicking Qatar out (where the US has a large airbase and command center, business, and ex-pats) is certainly "interesting." Things like this attacks in Iran leads credit to my subject line, which I cribbed from that article, "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017."

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PM »
I heard some guy on local talk radio today, talking about how Qatar is supposedly the greatest ally the US has ever had.

It was hilarious. How many Qatari gave their lives in Vietnam? Just send more DU rounds, that worked out so well last time.

Might have something to do with the 7000 US military personel who are based there. Which might be awkward now.

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2017, 09:45:36 PM »
the 7000 US military personel cannon fodder who are based

Wow. That's nearly four whole towers' worth.

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2017, 10:56:07 PM »
Hmmm Saudi questions the practices of another country. That's pretty rich

That's kind of like Art questions somebody commitment abilities to stick with it.

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2017, 11:17:40 AM »
The attack in Iran coming right after the announcement of the rest of the Gulf States suddenly kicking Qatar out (where the US has a large airbase and command center, business, and ex-pats) is certainly "interesting." Things like this attacks in Iran leads credit to my subject line, which I cribbed from that article, "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017."

Kicked out.  Of the FAT* club*



*Future American Targets

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2017, 11:18:17 AM »
Hmmm Saudi questions the practices of another country. That's pretty rich

That's kind of like Art questions somebody commitment abilities to stick with it.
;D

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 09:26:11 AM »
Saudi-led bloc modifies demands to end Qatar crisis - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40654023

I don't know who is in the right here, but Egypt and friends have made themselves look foolish.  No sovereign nation could have possibly accepted the thirteen demands made on Qatar, and when they didn't it left the four countries no alternative short of war but to drop those demands.  In a part of the world where loss of face is unthinkable and dealing from strength revered, little Qatar has emerged as the clear winner. Iran also benefits.

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2017, 03:17:46 PM »
Saudi-led bloc modifies demands to end Qatar crisis - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40654023

I don't know who is in the right here, but Egypt and friends have made themselves look foolish.  No sovereign nation could have possibly accepted the thirteen demands made on Qatar, and when they didn't it left the four countries no alternative short of war but to drop those demands.  In a part of the world where loss of face is unthinkable and dealing from strength revered, little Qatar has emerged as the clear winner. Iran also benefits.
My gut tells me nobody is in the right in that crazy, corrupt region. But I'm glad tensions seem to be deescalating somewhat. We don't need more destabilization or wars in the region, particularly between countries that, supposedly, are both our friends and allies.
Some more info on the palace intrigue in SD:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-mohammed-bin-nayef-mohammed-bin-salman.html

Re: Qatar Situation: "Sarajevo 1914, Doha 2017?"
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2017, 10:12:41 PM »
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-says-calls-internationalization-holy-sites-declaration-141740362.html
Qatar says "fake news" from Saudi Arabia:
""We are tired of responding to false information and stories invented from nothing," Sheikh Mohammed told Al Jazeera TV.""