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Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43080 on: April 21, 2017, 08:10:10 AM »
It could only make sense to you. It's not so much Russia as the leader of Russia. But Putin's iron grip on his country makes him Russia.

It's ok with you that he has his enemies, journalists, political opponents or just people who disagree with him jailed, tortured, killed or all three. Steals billions of dollars from the Russian people for his family and cronies. Has shut down the free press. Commits war crimes in Syria. Invaded Crimea. Meddles in democratic elections throughout Europe and the U.S. through cyber crime and blackmail. He wants Russia to be the only world super power. Has replaced Russian democracy with oligarchy. He is a gangster, a war criminal and a despot. And hates a strong U.S.

Didn't know you had to be a liberal to think he and by extension his whole country is not our friend. Your theory needs work

TL, Buddy that is nice succinct recap of the Obama admin.

I could go through by item and site where the previous admin has done damn near everything listed above. The election narrative is a hot button topic right now I will stick to that. "Meddles in democratic elections  throughout Europe" that would also be our CIA, we know this now as a result of the Vault 7 leak.

In Israel " a a bipartisan congressional report concluded that a non-profit funded by the Obama State Department attempted to influence the 2015 Israeli election to oust conservative Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a vocal critic of the Iran deal."

I am not making an excuse for Putin, lets not pretend that we do not do the same things. Something I was thinking about, we have members of the intelligence community actively trying to bring down the President. When they hurt the President they hurt the whole country. Are you willing to go to war with Russia just to damage President Trump?           

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43081 on: April 21, 2017, 08:12:27 AM »
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Good newer title is by Jane Mayer's: "Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right".
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0307947904/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

She also did a 30 page article on "the Mercers" for New Yorker mag in March 2017 which is basically an appendix or extention/update extra chapter to "Dark Money"

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency

I heard her interview on NPR last week. Fascinating stuff. Evidently the Mercers are Bannon devotees and are largely responsible for him being in the WH. And that connection would explain one major rea$on why he'$ $till there, in spite of his animosity toward favored son-in-law Jared.

Thanks for the link to the NYer article.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43082 on: April 21, 2017, 08:50:06 AM »
President Hillary Rodham Clinton springs to mind.  This race has to be remembered as one with two of the worst candidates ever.  From now on bad candidate should be refered to as a "Couldn't beat a Trump" candidate.

Amen.  I only wish they had a "none of the Above" on the ballot, a vote of no confidence in our government. 


Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43083 on: April 21, 2017, 08:53:26 AM »
Amen.  I only wish they had a "none of the Above" on the ballot, a vote of no confidence in our government.

I have to go along with you two. I like several people in Trump's administration and liked several of the things he has done but he's pretty much lived up to my expectations which is he's done little.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43084 on: April 21, 2017, 08:54:04 AM »
I heard her interview on NPR last week. Fascinating stuff. Evidently the Mercers are Bannon devotees and are largely responsible for him being in the WH. And that connection would explain one major rea$on why he'$ $till there, in spite of his animosity toward favored son-in-law Jared.

Thanks for the link to the NYer article.

I agree interesting stuff.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43085 on: April 21, 2017, 08:58:47 AM »
I heard her interview on NPR last week. Fascinating stuff. Evidently the Mercers are Bannon devotees and are largely responsible for him being in the WH. And that connection would explain one major rea$on why he'$ $till there, in spite of his animosity toward favored son-in-law Jared.

Thanks for the link to the NYer article.

Yup. One other huge Mercer linkage is with the UK's "Brexit" leaders. Mercer's company "Cambridge Analytica" does personal-info-data-collection-and-analysis (on a "psy-ops" level, i.e. weaponized data). This article from The Guardian, Feb. 2017, covers that angle of the story (but of course he also later used his same tech in the U.S. to help Trump win (e.g. Facebook-data-driven fake-news ad targeting). So Mercer had a big hand in destroying the UK, the EU, and the U.S. !

So this all-out assult on and destruction of Western Civilization came not from Islam but from Extremist Conservative Right-Wing Nationalist Christofascists.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43086 on: April 21, 2017, 09:09:42 AM »
I have a theory why so many libs are willing to throw Russia under the bus these days.  Communism failed in Russia and the libs are enraged at the Russians for letting it fail.  So whereas they once thought of the Russians as an ally, now they are the enemy. Makes sense to me.

Little history lesson. After the collapse of the Berlin wall, the establshment and subsequent self rule of former SU states, thngs looked far rosier in Europe than they had in decades. Okay, Yeltsin (after Gorbechev) was a baffoon in many ways, but things were looking up. Putin at this time, ex KGB and now a deputy mayor resented the fall of the old guard. He greased the hands along the way to rise up to where he is now.

If you don't have an issue with Putin's Russia as opposed to a Russia without Putin and instead one of the opponents to him he hasn't had murdeed yet, you're frankly stupid. It isn't a 'lib' thing. Its common human decency.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43087 on: April 21, 2017, 09:31:00 AM »
I know why communism failed in Russia.  It wasn't true communism but a totalitarian government.  Power was in the hands of a few not the people.

Interesting you agree with me on that. When long ago I said the same on this forum, I was told I was a commie apologist!  ;D

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The people got fed up with it and overthrew it. True communism could only succeed in a world where humans are free of greed and ambition.  In other words, a truly Christian world where all talked the talk and walked the walk.  Humanists and libs don't understand this and can't ever hope to understand this unless they have a Road to Damascus moment.  True communism goes against human nature.

I understood that perfectly before you said it. Do I win?

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43088 on: April 21, 2017, 09:38:42 AM »
Libs are all up in arms about Putin whereas many turned a blind eye towards the abuses under Soviet Russia.  I'm not saying you, TL, but many of your older compadres did.

Get out of this 'lib' shit okay? There was nothing liberal about the former SU or the current Putin regime. Many many 1000's died trying to escape the SU. Many of whom you'd describe as 'liberals'. Similar 'liberals' tried to help them escape.

It wasn't turning a blind eye, the Iron curtain was said for good reason, very little information came out of the SU unless the elites decided it was useful.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43089 on: April 21, 2017, 09:57:45 AM »
As for Trump draining the swamp, that is laughable. Major sponsors to him have either been given jobs in the department where they can change laws and regs to favour  the very industries they have a financial interest, or by sheer coincidence the industry they're still in is having favours made to them that make that individual richer. Weird eh?

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The New York Times moved the ball forward with a related report over the weekend:

President Trump is populating the White House and federal agencies with former lobbyists, lawyers and consultants who in many cases are helping to craft new policies for the same industries in which they recently earned a paycheck.
The potential conflicts are arising across the executive branch, according to an analysis of recently released financial disclosures, lobbying records and interviews with current and former ethics officials by The New York Times in collaboration with ProPublica.
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One example from the piece seemed especially brazen.
One such case involves Michael Catanzaro, who serves as the top White House energy adviser. Until late last year, he was working as a lobbyist for major industry clients such as Devon Energy of Oklahoma, an oil and gas company, and Talen Energy of Pennsylvania, a coal-burning electric utility, as they fought Obama-era environmental regulations, including the landmark Clean Power Plan. Now, he is handling some of the same matters on behalf of the federal government. [...]
Mr. Catanzaro was registered for Talen Energy on the Clean Power Plan in 2015, yet he has worked in recent months as a senior member of the White House's National Economic Council trying to roll back that rule, adopted by the Obama administration.
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Mr. Catanzaro's former clients, such as Talen and Devon Energy, have an enormous amount at stake in the regulations the White House is preparing to reverse — with his help. Talen, for example, helps operate the Colstrip power plant in Montana, the second-largest coal-burning plant west of the Mississippi. Federal officials have estimated that the plant could face a $1.2 billion bill as it makes updates to meet the new environmental standards, assuming it is not just closed.

Three industry lobbyists interviewed by The Times said that they recently had confidential conversations with Mr. Catanzaro about some of the same regulatory matters on which he was lobbying the federal government. And Mr. Catanzaro gave a briefing to reporters in March at the White House in which he discussed energy topics at length, including the details related to the executive order Mr. Trump signed on March 28 to weaken the Clean Power Plan.

If Devon Energy sounds familiar, it's because Scott Pruitt also had an overly cozy relationship with the company -- before Trump and Senate Republicans made him the head of the Environmental Protection Agency

Really? Who knew?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/giving-lobbyists-expansive-power-trump-tries-filling-the-swamp/amp





Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43090 on: April 21, 2017, 10:31:54 AM »
Trump's pledges for his first hundred days. In his own words.
Donald Trump just pulled a major flip-flop on his first 100 days in office
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/trump-100-days/index.html


But then..100 days isn't so important after all. ;D

Tweeted this morning by him..


"No matter how much I accomplish during the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, & it has been a lot (including S.C.), media will kill!"

Roosevelt started the 100 days thing. Trump promised much in the same period, bigly.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43091 on: April 21, 2017, 10:58:29 AM »
Get out of this 'lib' shit okay? There was nothing liberal about the former SU or the current Putin regime. Many many 1000's died trying to escape the SU. Many of whom you'd describe as 'liberals'. Similar 'liberals' tried to help them escape.

It wasn't turning a blind eye, the Iron curtain was said for good reason, very little information came out of the SU unless the elites decided it was useful.

Then tell me why people like Dalton Trumbo hailed the greatness of the Soviet regime.  Him and others among the blacklisted in Hollywood in the late 40's and 50's.  He was far from being alone.

To clarify, I have enjoyed Trumbo's work but not a big fan of the man.



Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43092 on: April 21, 2017, 11:08:25 AM »
Little history lesson. After the collapse of the Berlin wall, the establshment and subsequent self rule of former SU states, thngs looked far rosier in Europe than they had in decades. Okay, Yeltsin (after Gorbechev) was a baffoon in many ways, but things were looking up. Putin at this time, ex KGB and now a deputy mayor resented the fall of the old guard. He greased the hands along the way to rise up to where he is now.

If you don't have an issue with Putin's Russia as opposed to a Russia without Putin and instead one of the opponents to him he hasn't had murdeed yet, you're frankly stupid. It isn't a 'lib' thing. Its common human decency.

I give you a hard time about Putin because you and others on here keep talking about him incessantly.  Yes, he is old KGB and I'm sure he still uses some of their tactics.  However, perhaps you should start a Putin thread rather than go on and on about him on this one.  On second thought, I'll create it for you.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43093 on: April 21, 2017, 11:10:16 AM »
Then tell me why people like Dalton Trumbo hailed the greatness of the Soviet regime.  Him and others among the blacklisted in Hollywood in the late 40's and 50's.  He was far from being alone.

Or the late Senator Kennedy's offered a quid pro quo with the communist's against Reagan.

Search Committee on State Security of the USSR
14.05. 1983 No. 1029 Ch/OV

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43094 on: April 21, 2017, 11:12:19 AM »
Or the late Senator Kennedy's offered a quid pro quo with the communist's against Reagan.

Search Committee on State Security of the USSR
14.05. 1983 No. 1029 Ch/OV

Yep, the '84 election.  That is an even more contemporary example of the alliance between the libs and the Soviet regime.  Thanks!

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43095 on: April 21, 2017, 11:20:44 AM »
The USSR wasn't as appealing to the old counter culture as was the mystique surrounding China's Proletarian Cultural Revolution lead by Mao, with its impassioned pro-worker, anti-capitalism campaigns. The anti-establishment youth of late 60s America were the same age as China's Red Guards, and Mao's Little Red Book found its way to Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley, where I was once handed a copy. Of course at that time Mao's horrific reign of terror and murder wasn't widely known. But I think many young Americans terrified of being sent off to an increasingly unpopular war in Vietnam by self-serving politicians, fueled a legitimate climate of mistrust about our own government's motives.

Curiously, in spite of the fact that Mao Tse-tung was responsible for more death and suffering than any other leader in history, there are those in China who are nostalgic for his Cultural Revolution period. What on Earth could make people look back with fondness at at time when so many of their countrymen suffered and died, and their lives were reduced to nothing outside of the State?

Totalitarian governments are aided by opportunistic leaders who govern by fear and mistrust of outsiders, which is why people are closely watching Turkey's situation after their constitutional referendum toward an "executive presidency". Meanwhile, Trump's popularity is heading downhill and despite his bluff, he knows it. It's especially frightening to me that he's come so close to involving the US in escalating military action without the support of the American people.

It was a truly crazy revolution that never stopped revolving until only true believers were left standing. Why anyone would be nostalgic for that is beyond me. Hillary seemed to love the guy as she paid homage to him everytime she wore one of his stupid pant suits.  ::)

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43096 on: April 21, 2017, 11:30:36 AM »
EUobserver ~ April 20 2017
Russia-linked Fake News floods French social media

By ANDREW RETTMAN ~ BRUSSELS

https://euobserver.com/foreign/137624

"Almost one in four of the internet links shared by French users of social media in the run-up to elections were related to fake news, much of which favoured anti-EU candidates and showed traces of Russian influence, according to a new study.
The survey, by a UK-based firm, Bakamo, published on Wednesday (19 April), looked at 800 websites and almost 8 million links shared between 1 November and 4 April.

Of the links, 19.2 percent related to media that did not “adhere to journalistic standards” and that expressed “radical opinions … to craft a disruptive narrative” in what the study called the “reframe” category.
A further 5 percent of links related to “narratives [that were] often mythical, almost theological in nature” or discussed “conspiracy theories” in what the study called the “alternative” section.

The sources shared in these categories favoured anti-EU candidates both on the far right and the far left: Marine Le Pen, Jean-Luc Melenchon, Francois Asselineau, and Philippe Poutou.

They also favoured Francois Fillon, a centre-right candidate who is friendly toward Russia.

Bakamo’s research found that one in five sources in the reframe section were influenced by Russian state media known for spreading anti-EU disinformation, such as RT or Sputnik, and that one out of two sources in the alternative section had Russian roots.

“The analysis only identified foreign influence connected with Russia. No other foreign source of influence was detected”, Bakamo said.

The study said that “established sources of political news” were “still driving public discourse” and were “being shared in greater proportion than all other non-traditional media sources”.

They also noted that while the far-left candidate Melenchon’s campaign team often shared bogus material, Le Pen’s team mostly propagated its own content on sites such as Twitter or Facebook.

But it added that social media users in the reframe category were “very prolific” and “very engaged”, sharing links almost twice as many times as those who followed mainstream sources.

Pierre Haski, a French journalist who took part in the research, noted that there was another “worrying trend as election day nears”.

He said there was a “growing gap among citizens” based on “news reliability and respect for professional and ethical [journalistic] rules” rather than on political affiliation.

The gap meant that people increasingly did not agree on basic facts as opposed to political opinions and that those who no longer trusted traditional media were impervious to debunking efforts, such as Les Decodeurs, a group of fact-checkers working with Le Monde, a French newspaper of record.

Bakamo’s study said the main political themes in the reframe category were those that championed French identity and attacked Islam.

Minor themes also attacked globalisation, big corporations, and US or EU “imperialism”.

It said the influence of Russian sources was the strongest in the French identity, anti-Islam, and anti-globalisation areas, as well as in the areas of “confusion” and “conspiratorial/anti-system” sources shared in the alternative segment."

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43097 on: April 21, 2017, 11:36:48 AM »
Yup. One other huge Mercer linkage is with the UK's "Brexit" leaders. Mercer's company "Cambridge Analytica" does personal-info-data-collection-and-analysis (on a "psy-ops" level, i.e. weaponized data). This article from The Guardian, Feb. 2017, covers that angle of the story (but of course he also later used his same tech in the U.S. to help Trump win (e.g. Facebook-data-driven fake-news ad targeting). So Mercer had a big hand in destroying the UK, the EU, and the U.S. !

So this all-out assult on and destruction of Western Civilization came not from Islam but from Extremist Conservative Right-Wing Nationalist Christofascists.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage


Good Lord, that article is frightening. Thanks for pointing it out...I had no idea it all went that deep, was that diabolical. It's like a kind of cultural fascism or something...an assault on sanity, a headlong plunge into the darkest times of yesteryear.

We're going to need a bigger boat.

 :o



Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43098 on: April 21, 2017, 11:42:06 AM »
I wonder what the firm considers not conforming to journalistic standards. Most of the news I see, both local and national, fails to conform to the journalistic standards I was taught. My chief complaint is lack of attribution.  After yesterday's Paris attack, news reports called the shooter a lone wolf. Who said he was a lone wolf? Probably no one, but you couldn't tell by the reports. Deplorable.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43099 on: April 21, 2017, 12:35:00 PM »
Then tell me why people like Dalton Trumbo hailed the greatness of the Soviet regime.  Him and others among the blacklisted in Hollywood in the late 40's and 50's.  He was far from being alone.

To clarify, I have enjoyed Trumbo's work but not a big fan of the man.

Oh that game eh? An individual oddly doesn't neccessarilly speak for all. Trump thinks Putin is a great guy, congratulated Erdoğan, the new potential dictator in Turkey, so presumably Trump speaks for all American republicans in that sentiment?

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43100 on: April 21, 2017, 12:36:17 PM »
Yep, the '84 election.  That is an even more contemporary example of the alliance between the libs and the Soviet regime.  Thanks!

Trump is just continuing then.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43101 on: April 21, 2017, 12:48:24 PM »
I wonder what the firm considers not conforming to journalistic standards. Most of the news I see, both local and national, fails to conform to the journalistic standards I was taught. My chief complaint is lack of attribution.  After yesterday's Paris attack, news reports called the shooter a lone wolf. Who said he was a lone wolf? Probably no one, but you couldn't tell by the reports. Deplorable.

Not nearly as deplorable as some suggesting Clinton kills and eats children, leading to some nutjob going to a pizza parlour to administer his form of justice. Funny how that was okay in some circles.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43102 on: April 21, 2017, 01:11:39 PM »
Oh that game eh? An individual oddly doesn't neccessarilly speak for all. Trump thinks Putin is a great guy, congratulated Erdoğan, the new potential dictator in Turkey, so presumably Trump speaks for all American republicans in that sentiment?

Given Turkey's status as a NATO Ally and the fact that we are even now using airfields in Turkey to strike ISIS in Syria, Trump did exactly what he should have done with respect Erdogen and exactly what Obama did after Erdogan put down a coup attempt and was rounding up thousands of suspected supporters.  Again you apply an amazing double standard which is a classic symptom of Trump Derrangement Disorder.  If that malady was not a recognized mental illness I would be tempted to call you all fucking hypocrites.

As much as I hate to reference NYT articles, the following refers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/world/europe/obama-erdogan-turkey-coup-attempt.html?_r=0





Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43103 on: April 21, 2017, 01:12:19 PM »
Exactly where did you degenerate faggots install the cameras in my kitchen? I'm dancing around half naked from the waist down all up in there, madly shuffling my Tarot deck and literally doing hella drugs. I wanna make sure you absurdistanoviches can get the HD on my steaming cock.


Not nearly as deplorable as some suggesting Clinton kills and eats children, leading to some nutjob going to a pizza parlour







... methinks The Yorkshireman doth protest too much.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43104 on: April 21, 2017, 01:13:36 PM »
we are even now using airfields in Turkey to strike ISIS in Syria


madly shuffling my Tarot deck and literally doing hella drugs


Hey, mang. Orders is orders.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43105 on: April 21, 2017, 01:14:24 PM »
Exactly where did you degenerate faggots install the cameras in my kitchen? I'm dancing around half naked from the waist down all up in there, madly shuffling my Tarot deck and literally doing hella drugs. I wanna make sure you absurdistanoviches can get the HD on my steaming cock.








... methinks The Yorkshireman doth protest too much.


Dude, you really know how to party!  Rock on!

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43106 on: April 21, 2017, 01:20:33 PM »
you really know how to party

Instinct and training. I know nothing.


Rock on!

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Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43107 on: April 21, 2017, 01:26:44 PM »
Trump is just continuing then.

Uh no, in 84 it was about undermining the President's reelection campaign. Now it is about undermining and embarrassing a sitting President even if it means war with Russia.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #43108 on: April 21, 2017, 01:28:44 PM »
Then tell me why people like Dalton Trumbo hailed the greatness of the Soviet regime.  Him and others among the blacklisted in Hollywood in the late 40's and 50's.  He was far from being alone.

To clarify, I have enjoyed Trumbo's work but not a big fan of the man.

Dalton Trumbo, like many of the blacklisted film and literary figures, was anti-war, at a time when anti-war meant anti-American. He wasn't a Communist sympathizer in that he supported the regime, but rather sympathized with Russian people who would be the victims of an all out war with the US.

This quote from Trumbo following WWII in 1946 is especially relevant today for the people of any country fearing annihilation in a mutually assured destruction scenario. For example, cross out Russia and replace it with America.

"If I were a Russian...I would be alarmed, and I would petition my government to take measures at once against what would seem an almost certain blow aimed at my existence. This is how it must appear in Russia today"

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« Reply #43109 on: April 21, 2017, 01:29:31 PM »
I really need to figure out how to post images