What I find particularly disgusting, is the fact that nobody attempted a rescue of the victim. Several women eventually put themselves between the murderers and the victim. Where were the British men? Look at the picture in this link and tell me: [size=78%]http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/05/23/london-attack-women-terrorism-arrest-ingrid-loyau-kennett/[/size]
One word comes to mind: cowards.
Okay..a bit of background.. London in general is seen by visitors from overseas as 'the place to visit'..It's understandable, it has all the big museums, monuments, and of course several famous residences pertaining to the royal family..One misconception that is attributed to Londoners
(and I emphasise that deliberately) is that they're a friendly bunch and they all get along in one big back slapping 'community'. They don't. The general pattern is they seldom know the name of the person who lives next door to them, let alone anyone else down the street.
I personally (and have said it before) don't like London (I live about a 170 miles north).. I think it's filthy in places, I find it unfriendly, no-oone dare talk to anyone on the underground (similar to NY's subway), and it's noisy, bustling and although many love the place..I never have, and will never be likely to.
The scenario is set then. You have passers by who probably don't know each other, a very busy road (It's a main arterial route through southern London) and what appears to be at first glance and indeed for several minutes afterwards, a tragic accidental collision between a car that had somehow driven onto the pavement (sidewalk) and a pedestrian walking along minding his own business. What has been reported by several who witnessed what happened several seconds later is the driver got out (We have the drivers door on the right, so he would be almost invisible to most who could see the car, because that door was not facing the road) and appeared to crouch down to give CPR to the guy on the ground. What appears to have happened next is a second car drew up and that driver also got out, and ran to the scene. Passers by believed he was trying to assist, although at least two think they saw one carrying what looked like a machete and a handgun. Total time to the initial contact about twenty seconds.
Some still believed it seems that someone else had called the police, ambulance etc..But someone then saw it wasn't an accident and saw the two suspects hacking the man on the floor with knives and a cleaver.. By the time anyone got close, the man was dead. He'd been decapitated.
The woman Ingrid who was close seems to be there by happenstance; the suspects then it's reported by pretty much everyone had no desire to run away, and indeed started too boast about what they had done. They wouldn't let anyone near the body though. It was obvious they were waiting for the police to get there because they knew they'd be dispatched, and knew also it would be all over the world in minutes. That is exactly what they wanted..and were prepared to hang out the time until it happened.
The police turned up in less than twenty minutes, but security experts have said that even if it had been 20 minutes, that is bloody damn fast in London, when the density of traffic is taken into consideration..Because in the UK, the armed response teams are briefed before they go out.
The suspects knew they'd be shot, that's what they wanted. And they were obliged. Personally I want them to suffer unimaginable deaths, that will take time, but we live in a country where they're now arrested and will (if they survive the gunshot wounds) probably stand trial, and who knows what sentence will be given if and when they're found guilty.
Additionally, it should be noted that the police took at least 20 minutes to respond. In that time, the murderers were able to take occasional breaks from their butchering and even conduct INTERVIEWS! [size=78%]
Frankly, the entire episode is positively surreal. I just can`t imagine how any of those spineless little cowards that sat by and watched a fellow human get butchered like a spring calve, can sleep tonight. Thank God almighty I live in America.
I agree, it was surreal, certainly I've never seen anything like it before..But the 'spineless' cowards, as you call them, firstly didn't know what was going on, and when they did, knew they were facing (for all they knew) two nut jobs high as kites, wielding weapons that had been used to savagely murder a man n the ground. As I said in my above post earlier today...I know some of you will say we should all be armed, but I can assure you if that happened, they're would have been far more than three deaths IF the two suspects had been hit and killed.
I was just stunned at the whole thing, as well as officialdom's response to it. Did the UK rise up in national condemnation of and revulsion at this barbarity? Perish the thought.
Rise up? And do what? Overthrow the government? We don't need to rise up, beat our chests, wrap ourselves in the Union flag, and cry at the national anthem to be pissed off. I'm horrified at what has happened..But now is not the time for anyone to lose it..Now is the time to let the one tasked with getting information and evidence, to do their job and connect pieces t the puzzle.N-one knows yet that these two were alone, or part of a loose cell. No-one knows who if anyone in the UK influenced them..Loosing the plot won't help and will likely hinder.
The police hit the targets, they're trained to do it..And even they now will have miles of paperwork to fill in. Some have complained (thankfully not s much now) that a warning wasn't given. Witnesses say the officers simply didn't have time as one of the suspects rushed one of them with two machetes. The suspects were very lucky they were wounded, perhaps the round didn't connect with vital organs, who knows, although one is reported t be critical. The upside (if it can be called one), is that hopefully at least one will survive to spit out information.
"Don't wear your unis in public, lads", was what the pols came up with. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22638431
Have they? The politicians have stated that the military are revising their personal security arrangements..The military on the ground I would imagine might even decide to wear their berets and 'help the heroes' t shirts., I know the website to buy them has crashed due t how many people now want to show their solidarity...hardly the mark of a scared country I'd suggest?
It makes me sick. I remember when some here disputed that there were Muslim "no go" areas in London where police had an unwritten policy of simply not entering, even to the point of letting religious councils judge all civil and even many serious criminal matters.
It was disputed, because it's bollox. Total bollox.
And now two home-grown Islamic murderers calmly saunter down the street and cleaver a squaddie to death. (Do we even have to address the stark questions this poses about a society's members' inability to defend themselves with firearms?)
Actually no they didn't; they ran him over in a car..(see above) so even iif he'd been armed, it's highly unlikely he'd have done much about it..Similarly as I also said above in my previous post, a bloodbath more than ensued would have resulted. But hey as long as everyone is as highly trained as the above average soldier no problems...That is never going to happen.
National decline is so often a choice. I love Britain like no other land but my own. It is my spiritual motherland. And it kills me to see this once-great people convince themselves that they don't even deserve to survive. Worse, for decades Britain has been the bellwether for the US: it is in so many ways the cultural outlier for us, and about 10-15 years in the lead. Attitudes of the UK often eventually become the attitudes of Americans. And that scares me silly.
Decline maybe: Losing the plot isn't going to help anyone, least of all me. The way terrorists win, is when the population are scared and run arund like headless chickens...
Do you know what Ingrid said to the suspect who told her they were going to start a war? She said "You won't win, there are more of us", That actually made me choke up and feel immensely privileged. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22644857