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« on: July 02, 2010, 12:34:40 AM »
Looking for conceal carry states

         ...if there are any left. I am soliciting recommendations for locales which are beautiful, rural, have plenty of hot chicks willing to do deep knee bends for a dollar, and where a man can own AND CARRY a gun.

M

Re: States where a man can own and carry a gun...
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2010, 05:43:22 AM »
         ...if there are any left. I am soliciting recommendations for locales which are beautiful, rural, have plenty of hot chicks willing to do deep knee bends for a dollar, and where a man can own AND CARRY a gun.

M
the three states i am most certain of are missouri (where i currently reside), florida, and utah.  however, there are far more conceal-carry states than just these three.  i'm simply to lazy to do any research on the matter.  try taking a look at http://www.usacarry.com/ and see what u can learn.

Re: States where a man can own and carry a gun...
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2010, 08:53:08 PM »
Arizona has liberal open carry laws & it is not uncommon to see citizens with sidearms.
http://opencarry.org


Re: States where a man can own and carry a gun...
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 06:37:56 AM »
there used to be a great conceal carry site at packing.org, but apparently, they've gone down the shitter.

Re: States where a man can own and carry a gun...
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2010, 10:50:06 AM »
I guess not in CT.........

http://www.theweeklyvice.com/2010/07/dane-eisenman-is-one-fruit-loop-short.html

This is quickly becoming my favorite website.

The story linked above is about a guy who tried to buy a gun to fight off an alien attack.

Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 12:22:11 AM »
I can't stand Piers Morgan and his dumb view point about gun control. I hope that CNN fires him. Also I hope that he goes back home to England.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2012, 12:56:56 AM »
You don't have to agree with his opinions, but they are just as relevant as yours are. Read up on the whole "free speech" thing.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2012, 01:03:09 AM »
You don't have to agree with his opinions, but they are just as relevant as yours are. Read up on the whole "free speech" thing.
I have read up on the whole "free speech" and it said that The Goverment aka U.S.A (Obama and congress) can not stop it. But private companies and people can stop it. Freedom of speech is NOT free. He should lose his job but that is my opinion.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2012, 01:11:01 AM »
Freedom of speech is NOT free. He should lose his job but that is my opinion.
The irony.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 01:20:17 AM »
The irony.
The best example that the freedom of speech is not free is that if the ratings going down on C2C because George Noory sucks,( ie his opinions he has) George gets fired by the network. Its is legal but Obama saids to fire George because he sucks but the ratings are good. that is not right.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2012, 02:28:04 AM »
Yes, it is ironic. 
 
The Left has been using our freedom against us for decades, trying to take away our Liberty and install themselves as our rulers.  Of course when someone offers an opinion they don't like, they smear, ridicule, shout down, name call, sue, on and on.  And lie - they specialize in that.  When the Left finally seizes power permanently - and they will if we keep on electing people like Obama - they will not honor and uphold our freedoms.  They are trying to undermine them now.
 
The Constitution is not a suicide pact.  This Piers person is a nobody, not even a blip in the Lefts attempt to take our country, but when some foreigner like this is doing his part to undermine it, they should be asked to leave.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2012, 02:30:20 AM »
I'll let my post from a few months ago speak for my feelings on Mr. Morgan's position, and my position generally on the recent emotional and completely irrational frenzied and mostly ill-informed media hype regarding firearms. Maybe someday soon I'll layout my thoughts regarding the topic, but in the meantime, I will not be denied my right to buy what I want. If the gov't decides otherwise, looks like I'll be placing my order sooner rather than later, and buying bulk ammunition (maybe a few thousand rounds).

The following (in the link below) were obtained using a Rockriver AR-15 A2 (20" barrel), with A2 sites, non-detachable A2 carrying handle, standard non-collapsible stock (essentially similar to the models used during the Vietnam era and later conflicts). Almost all services have since switched to the shorter-barreled, collapsible stock M4 carbine, or the M4A1 variant.

http://coastgab.com/index.php/topic,3444.msg80302.html#msg80302



So Piers Morgan - fuck off.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 02:45:57 AM »
I really don't see how Morgan giving his opinions (which were influenced by several recent shootings) has anything to do with some leftist conspiracy. I think its just one man's opinions. Not really that big a deal. And fyi, I don't like the idea of gun control. But hes got a right to say what he thinks.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2012, 02:53:24 AM »
Hal 9000 ....
Are those hunting rifles?
Do you dwell in the city?
Have you ever killed anything to eat?
Have you ever killed anything for your pleasure?


Just asking .....  ???

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2012, 03:22:16 AM »
I really don't see how Morgan giving his opinions (which were influenced by several recent shootings) has anything to do with some leftist conspiracy. I think its just one man's opinions. Not really that big a deal. And fyi, I don't like the idea of gun control. But hes got a right to say what he thinks.

I do a bit of traveling and I wouldn't consider interfering in the politics of those places.  Or criticizing the way they do things.  That's isn't what polite visitors do. 
 
As far as I'm conerned, he has the right to say what he wants, and we as a country have the right to send him home.  He should wait until he gets home to criticize us. 
 
I can't tell you how tired I am of people coming here because our country offers more freedom and opportunity than theirs, then have them act like they know what's best for us, and tell us at every opportunity.   Sometimes they're 'offended'.  Sometimes they're 'uncomfortable'.  Sometimes, like this prick, they are just smarter and know better than us.  Where's he from, England?  If they are so much more sophisticated and advanced than we are, he really would be better off there instead of suffering in some backwards country like the US. 
 
Our rights of speech, to our own property, to defend ourselves, all the rest of them, go together as a package.  Take away one and the rest follow.  They are being destroyed a little at a time now, and we are less free as a result.  And he's doing his part with that.  Nearly all the 'journalists' are.  Getting rid of just one POS at a time is at least a step in the right direction, but we really should be working on removing people with his views from office.
 

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2012, 04:57:48 AM »
When the Left finally seizes power permanently - and they will if we keep on electing people like Obama - they will not honor and uphold our freedoms.  They are trying to undermine them now.
 

This is going to be lengthy, but I hope comprehensive and addresses a few things.

Piers Morgan...Or as he's affectionally known in the popular satirical magazine here in the UK: Private Eye, Piers Moron.

Mr Morgan is in fact a highly educated and articulate individual. I think I'm right in saying he was at one time the youngest Editor of a daily newspaper in the UK. His copybook isn't entirely unblotted however. In his tenure he oversaw some quite deliberate and scathing attacks without foundation (pretty much like all British tabloid newspapers) and more recently his point blank refusal to appear in person at the Leveson enquiry, instead deigning to appear only via a video link; only the cynical of course would suggest that he was in fear he might face arrest on his landing at the airport with a view to being asked to answer questioons about alleged phone hacking that he'd earlier admitted to and later denied either being party to or sanctioning whilst being the said editor.
However that said, he like anyone else is allowed his opinion. (I understand that is the US 1st amendment?) You or I may or may not agree with him, but he has that right to his opinion. Just as you and I have. The strawman argument that there is no such thing as free speech is supreme and disingenuous irony. The fact that in some parts of the world that freedom is later curtailed or met with brutal retribution doesn't escape the fact the opinion is formed in the first place. How ironic that in a country that likes to preach it protects 'freedom' it would petition to remove someone who is excercising that freedom. A trait not disimilar to perhaps that used by Stalin, or in certain other less 'free' countries in the present day. Sure, Stalin made a road with the bones of those detractors, but the sentiment was the same; remove the opposition and we'll live in a one opinion state, wreaking retribution on those we simply don't like or look funny, or have a strange accent, or the wrong religion, or the wrong colour skin.....Orwell wasn't being ironic was he?

So sure, Morgan is British, and he's voiced his opinion, so what? He has a permit to work in the USA, or does that mean we extrapolate the concept of 'freespeech' to only those who are born in the host nation? The first 'modern' immigrants were not born in the USA, they were English, Irish, Italian, Scottish, Spanish..in fact many European settlers. The indigenous population were not European; they themselves were invaders to a continent that already had it's people thank you very much, who in turn had come from other parts of the world...

I actually agree with much of what Morgan has said; The NRA's answer or at least their patsy's answer is to remove violent video games.. Yeah...right. That will stop school massacres. Erm, no it won't. Some have suggested that schools have armed guards and that even teachers and other staff have bullet proof jackets or are in fact armed! And these people are being serious!

So to address the amed guards idea:Well, the NRA have outlined that they would finance and organise it. (Who finances and lobbies on behalf of the NRA? Yep...weapon and ammunition manufacturers)
 Who are they to be? Someone who owns a rifle presumably...who vets them? Who vets the assessors? Are the guards drawn from the military and police? Or as is likely, those with little intelligence and aptitude who were not selected when they applied for the military or police? And how do you ensure they're not drawn from the 14% of the population who are essentially illiterate; have no mental illness or potential mental illness? 
So, we have our guards in the school, all set up and ready to 'guard'.

Are they to stand on guard with weapons openly visible? Is that what you want your kids to see each day? That they live in a country that enjoys such 'freedom', it can't trust it's own population? And each day they hear the reporting of battles in far off countries that they'll never see or even find on a world map, where men carry weapons as a matter of course, but they're being persuaded to disarm, because it's a bad thing, and not something a 'civilised' society should be doing. 

So the school days drift into weeks, and nothing happens. The guards being human, fall back into a more relaxed state of mind, they go to the bathroom and forget to tell their buddy at the other end of the school via radio. One day, their own neighbour who they know well enough to say good morning to comes through the gates, happy, smiling, cheery wave..and although it's an autumn morning, it isn't that cold. Kids are still coming into school..This neighbour looks strange, but it isn't read by the guard...the coat..why is he wearing such a heavy coat?

The guard isn't anywhere near quick enough, and gets the first double tap. And on..and on...The TV crews get there before the ambulances....

It's worth remembering that even in school and college campuses where there have been armed guards, the armed guards didn't prevent the shootings. In the last shooting at the school in Connecticut, the legally owned guns were licensed to the mother, a teacher! Why on earth did she need a semi automatic weapon?

Can I just say at this point, I was taught many years ago to shoot a rifle. I was taught by military trained personel, in the UK. At 14 I was a marksman at 100 yards, five round grouping. One thing we had drilled into us over and over again. NEVER point a weapon unless you intend to use it. I had a very healthy respect for the damage it could do.

 
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I will not be denied my right to buy what I want. If the gov't decides otherwise, looks like I'll be placing my order sooner rather than later, and buying bulk ammunition (maybe a few thousand rounds).

From HAL9000 above...Who exactly are you intending to use the 'few thousand rounds on'? Or is it (and your almost salacious grandiosing over the weapons pictured) egotistical posturing? You're da man eh? It pretty much makes the argument for gun control! I'm not singling you out of course, and frighteningly, there are many hundreds of thousends of your fellow country men and women with the same attitude.

In the UK we don't have a universally armed police force. This comes as a surprise to many from other countries; we do have specialist armed response units, each and every police force in every major city has them. I actually met a retired instructor from such a unit a few years ago; I only knew he was because a friend of mine who knew him well told me, and he only knew because he was an ex Royal Marine and spotted something about the guy that they both understood. When I got into a private conversation with the guy, he told me he used to be a quantity surveyor! Unassuming, almost shy in many ways. But the look in his eyes was the give away. He watched and took in everything going on around us. Now, I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to have that guy than someone who blows it out of his ass, and thinks he's Rambo on steriods.

Last count that is verified we had 51 deaths from guns in one year here in the UK. In a population of 70 million. The USA has just over 300 Million, with over 10 000 gun deaths, not including suicides, which I understand are nearly 20000..
One proposal is that more people should be armed...so it's clearly acceptable to have 30 000 deaths a year from guns, and indeed, perhaps not enough. The reason being, is that more guns will reduce deaths?...Not by a long way.

Just when do you reach the tipping point where you have enough schools visited with mass killings? Another 10? 20? Your kids? You? And please please don't trot out the 'Bad guys with guns haven't met a good guy with a gun' crap..And also don't trot out the 'blame cars for drunk driving deaths'...It simply has no credibility in an argument.

Oh, and I know about Switzerland and it's weapon ownership. Other than it's neutrality determining it's malitia policy it is also a culturally completely different place to the USA. For one, gun crime is almost unheard of, they have very little crime of any description, because fundamentally they're law abiding and also don't feel the need to show how big their egos are.

I was asked by an Alex Jones disciple on another site (not infowars I hasten to add) in relation to the school teacher and her weapons hoard; "How would you defend yourself if you were asleep and shot in the face with your own gun?" (It might be worth mentioning he dropped 'liberal' 'douchebag' and 'bleeding heart' into his diatribe to substantiate his argument); He said he owned guns too...Nice to see he's level headed, and won't one day take out his frustrations on innocents, we live in hope.


In answer to his question:
Easy: I don't have any weapons to be shot in the face or any other part of my body with. If a kid in the school is throwing stones at the other kids, what do you do? Take away the stones or give stones to the other kids? I know some would say the latter, I just know it.

I have several American friends, I've been there myself. I actually like the USA. But as a society, you really need to get out of adolescence and mature, and stop living in the past.

One last point: I read it often that Obama is left wing...erm, no he isn't...he really isn't. He's far more right wing than any UK Prime Minister that has ever been. And some think our current one is a right wing twat. The problem in the USA is you have a political landscape that is essentailly a race to the right, and any deviation is seen as being 'liberal'..And you don't even have a definition of that, that you can agree on! Maybe you need a new centre ground 'Liberal fascism'?


Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2012, 05:00:21 AM »

I do a bit of traveling and I wouldn't consider interfering in the politics of those places.  Or criticizing the way they do things.  That's isn't what polite visitors do. 
 
As far as I'm conerned, he has the right to say what he wants, and we as a country have the right to send him home.  He should wait until he gets home to criticize us. 
 
I can't tell you how tired I am of people coming here because our country offers more freedom and opportunity than theirs, then have them act like they know what's best for us, and tell us at every opportunity.   Sometimes they're 'offended'.  Sometimes they're 'uncomfortable'.  Sometimes, like this prick, they are just smarter and know better than us.  Where's he from, England?  If they are so much more sophisticated and advanced than we are, he really would be better off there instead of suffering in some backwards country like the US. 
 
Our rights of speech, to our own property, to defend ourselves, all the rest of them, go together as a package.  Take away one and the rest follow.  They are being destroyed a little at a time now, and we are less free as a result.  And he's doing his part with that.  Nearly all the 'journalists' are.  Getting rid of just one POS at a time is at least a step in the right direction, but we really should be working on removing people with his views from office.

Erm, who exactly has toold you that you enjoy more freedom than other countries? The other 180 plus countries who also enjoy it too?

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2012, 05:31:04 AM »
...  Some have suggested that schools have armed guards and that even teachers and other staff have bullet proof jackets or are in fact armed! And these people are being serious!...

 
The school where Obama sends his kids has 11 armed guards.  That's for the kids in general.  The Obama kids also have their own Secret Service body guards.  Obama himself and many of the influential rich Democrat Senators, office holders, entertainers, etc also go around with armed badyguards.  Even, for instance, some of the stores selling Apple products have armed guards.  Somehow none of that is 'stupid', 'insane', 'too expensive', 'NRA backed nonsense', or any of the other terms routinely used.
 
Just this past week alone in China one guy killed a bunch of school kids with a butcher knife, and another one ran a bunch more down with his car.  It isn't the 'gun'.
 
And by the way, when the Libs finally ban all guns can they please also un-invent them too.  Otherwise, well you know, just the criminals will have them.
 
 
 
 

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2012, 05:41:18 AM »
... Who are they to be? Someone who owns a rifle presumably...who vets them? Who vets the assessors? Are the guards drawn from the military and police? Or as is likely, those with little intelligence and aptitude who were not selected when they applied for the military or police? And how do you ensure they're not drawn from the 14% of the population who are essentially illiterate; have no mental illness or potential mental illness? 
So, we have our guards in the school, all set up and ready to 'guard'.

Are they to stand on guard with weapons openly visible? Is that what you want your kids to see each day? That they live in a country that enjoys such 'freedom', it can't trust it's own population? And each day they hear the reporting of battles in far off countries that they'll never see or even find on a world map, where men carry weapons as a matter of course, but they're being persuaded to disarm, because it's a bad thing, and not something a 'civilised' society should be doing...

Just like US pilots, teachers would be allowed to go through a training program and have a gun locked up but accessable.  I think the thing aboutguns people don't get is they are a fantastic deterrent.  People that suspect a person with a gun and willing to use it is around don't go there in the first place.  It should be quite clear to everyone that the places these events happen are places where the criminal pretty much knows there are no other gns around.  Just the idea a teacher may have one would be deterrent enough.
 
As far as kids go, I don't think it's too hard to distinguish betwen a good person with a gun and a bad person with a gun.  Kids aren't fools. 

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2012, 05:48:42 AM »

 
The school where Obama sends his kids has 11 armed guards.  That's for the kids in general.  The Obama kids also have their own Secret Service body guards.  Obama himself and many of the influential rich Democrat Senators, office holders, entertainers, etc also go around with armed badyguards.  Even, for instance, some of the stores selling Apple products have armed guards.  Somehow none of that is 'stupid', 'insane', 'too expensive', 'NRA backed nonsense', or any of the other terms routinely used.


Hmmm, and our own politicians (depending on seniority) have bodyguards. All very highly trained and routinely assessed and vetted. Most (in the UK) are pooled from ex special forces, where running off several hundred rounds of ammunition in a morning is common. Working in real world scenarios, with real bullets, making real noise in real high stress training situations. The special forces personnel are constantly (I mean every single day) in a state of being RTU'd (returned to unit) if they mess up. Messing up can be not following SOP's in CQB, and getting it wrong because of the chaos going on around them. No matter how many years they've been there. They may even be a highly decorated Warrant officer, who until that moment has been faultless.
  Where do you suggest the pool of 'talent' will come from if the proposal to have all schools guarded come from, Walmart? And what happens if there is a ND and the guard shoots a child because at that moment, it's the first and last time he's EVER been in a real situation where real bullets are being fired in his direction?

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Just this past week alone in China one guy killed a bunch of school kids with a butcher knife, and another one ran a bunch more down with his car.  It isn't the 'gun'.

Indeed; imagine how many more people they could have killed and injured with a semi automatic weapon...
 
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And by the way, when the Libs finally ban all guns can they please also un-invent them too.  Otherwise, well you know, just the criminals will have them.

Only in America and certain ex Soviet states is liberal used as in insult! I know guns can't be un-invented, but that isn't the issue; it's the mindset that has it that guns are a good thing and will by a miracle not yet fulfilled, stop crime! The point about UK and US deaths and our relative population I see hasn't been addressed, nor the question about where tre tipping point might be, when it's unacceptable.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2012, 05:51:01 AM »
... One last point: I read it often that Obama is left wing...erm, no he isn't...he really isn't. He's far more right wing than any UK Prime Minister that has ever been. And some think our current one is a right wing twat. The problem in the USA is you have a political landscape that is essentailly a race to the right, and any deviation is seen as being 'liberal'..And you don't even have a definition of that, that you can agree on! Maybe you need a new centre ground 'Liberal fascism'?

Can you expound of Obama being 'right-wing'?  I get that nearly all major parties in Western Europe are more Liberal than our Democrat Party here, but come on. 
 
Let me state that to me Conservative and 'Right-wng' mean a small minimal government, and the opposite is Statism (with the many branches including Socialists, Liberals, the various types of Maxrists, Fascists, etc).  It's not full blown Socialism vs Socialism-lite here like it is in Wesern Europe, your attempt to smear the non-Socialists not-with-standing. 
 
So why do you think Obama is 'right-wing'?

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2012, 05:59:31 AM »

Just like US pilots, teachers would be allowed to go through a training program and have a gun locked up but accessable. 

And no doubt they'll be trained in gunshot trauma management? Whilst at the same time going into shock at the carnage unfolding around them; do you want a teacher or a soldier who knows how to teach a little bit of Science and English?
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I think the thing aboutguns people don't get is they are a fantastic deterrent.  People that suspect a person with a gun and willing to use it is around don't go there in the first place.
Really? The British police force has an entirely different point of view; they say (and they get asked the same fairly frequently) that if they were universally armed, it would make their job far more difficult, because going to a crime scene, the possible gunman waiting for them would go already armed..whereas now, the frequency of police being shot is thankfully very low..it's still too high, but very low, and the police still don't want to be armed.

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  It should be quite clear to everyone that the places these events happen are places where the criminal pretty much knows there are no other gns around.  Just the idea a teacher may have one would be deterrent enough.
No it won't, it's just the gunman with a grudge knows who to take out first..and he will. He has the advantage of knowing his target.

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As far as kids go, I don't think it's too hard to distinguish betwen a good person with a gun and a bad person with a gun.  Kids aren't fools.
Really? You really believe that? Tell me, what does a paedophile look like? How can you tell a 'nice man' and a 'nice man who has a sinister intent behind the smile'? And you're six years old...

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2012, 06:15:57 AM »

Can you expound of Obama being 'right-wing'?  I get that nearly all major parties in Western Europe are more Liberal than our Democrat Party here, but come on. 
 
Let me state that to me Conservative and 'Right-wng' mean a small minimal government, and the opposite is Statism (with the many branches including Socialists, Liberals, the various types of Maxrists, Fascists, etc).  It's not full blown Socialism vs Socialism-lite here like it is in Wesern Europe, your attempt to smear the non-Socialists not-with-standing. 
 
So why do you think Obama is 'right-wing'?

I'll answer your question by saying that here in the UK we have very strict controls over financing the various political parties by various donors. The donors naturally are not entirely altruistic, and by and large major sources of finance. In the US, you have massive on an obscene scale of political lobbying, backed by the paymasters..Almost all major capitalists in their own right. If we had that here, we'd have a revolution! Obama has (like all the other major players) bought into the same ethos that money can buy anything; even principles.

Politically, Cameron (Our Prime Minister) is so out of touch with the general population it's unreal, yet he wouldn't dare go near anything any American political party thinks is acceptable; such as accepting that poor people live in cars, that you have population who don't have a right to healthcare from cradle to grave. You can't even think of being a politician of any stature in the US unless you intersperse 'God' in anything to do with how you'll run the country; so a capable atheist has no chance! Religion is and always has been the greatest  methood of controlling the masses by politicians in all societies..yet your society embraces it! France might be seen as left wing by some (and to a point it is), but they're also secular, and wouldn't dream of having a ticket where God put them there.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2012, 06:21:12 AM »
...Indeed; imagine how many more people they could have killed and injured with a semi automatic weapon...
 
Only in America and certain ex Soviet states is liberal used as in insult! I know guns can't be un-invented, but that isn't the issue; it's the mindset that has it that guns are a good thing and will by a miracle not yet fulfilled, stop crime! The point about UK and US deaths and our relative population I see hasn't been addressed, nor the question about where tre tipping point might be, when it's unacceptable.

You do know what a semi-automatic weapon is, right?  As opposed to a fully automatic one.  I ask because the 'journalist's' that used to at least get that right are getting it wrong now.
 
Adressing the gun deaths - I thought your question was for Hal, but here's my take.  I don't know what your inner cities are like but ours are incredibly horrorific, dangerous and violent.  Violence, crime, gangs, decaying infrustructure, dependency on handouts, addictions, tons of abortions, rotting infrastructure, unemployment, people that wouldn't work anyway, people that refuse to become educated, hopelessness, dispair, young men without dads creating chaos, failed schools, city officials that encourage all this in order to continue getting votes.  I'm guessing you won't be surprised when I tell you all this was created by 50 years of Liberal policies meant to 'help'. 
 
That's where your gun deaths are.  Some of these people come out and infect the better areas and suberbs from time to time with their crime and violence, but thankfully not all that much .  More and more though.  Again, it's people, not guns. 
 
By the way, these cities, the schools there, nearly every mayor, nearly every city council member, almost everyone elected or appointed, it's approximately 100% Democrat - continually doubling down on their failed policies (oh sure, there are a few RINO's - Republian in name only) like Mayor Bloomberg in NY, but there aren't even that many RINOs getting elected in those places.
 
 
And about the Liberal name and reputation.  Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal.  So were most of the Founding Fathers.  The word means the exact opposite now from what it meant then.
 
These people keep insisting on their failed policies, every generation they discredit and discard one term and grab onto a new one - progressive, socialist, liberal, now we're back to progressive again.  But they are just the handmaidens, Lennins 'useful idiots' if you will.  The group behind the policies, the people with the intent on destroying our country and taking our Liberty are the Leftists.  A better term is statists - Socialsists, Communists, Marxists, Fascists.  Some of their footsoldiers are Occupy, the Black Bloc, some in the past were the Red Guards, Brown Shirts, some of the minor European terrorists in the recent past like the Red Army Faction, you get the idea.  Yeah, I'd say the whole bunch of them earned their bad name.  Now they are after our guns, our ability to defend ourselves.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2012, 06:22:12 AM »
I imagine that you folks proposing to deport Piers Morgan for speaking his opinion would probably want to nuke a European country who banned an American product (i.e., prevented the manufacturer from making their profit ["working in"] said country) or, even better, banned performances by some American performer ~oh, say, some jingoistic country singer.

As for you folks proposing arming teachers:  Aren't you the same folks who at any other juncture deride teachers as incompetent salary leeches, deserving of no more pay or prestige than a 16-year-old babysitter..?   Yet now you want them carrying guns around your kids..?   Will the teachers have to pay for their own weapons like you expect them to do now for some of their kids' supplies?  Will you think they deserve any more pay and prestige after they are "strapped?"

Paper*Boy-- I know you've never been really conversant with "reality" but I'll give you the benefit of any possible doubt here.   Give me a link to some info on "Just this past week alone in China one guy killed a bunch of school kids with a butcher knife."   I never heard of that nor could quickly find any info on it.   And don't try backtracking on that operative word "killed."

One last point: I read it often that Obama is left wing...erm, no he isn't...he really isn't. He's far more right wing than any UK Prime Minister that has ever been. And some think our current one is a right wing twat. The problem in the USA is you have a political landscape that is essentailly a race to the right, and any deviation is seen as being 'liberal'..And you don't even have a definition of that, that you can agree on! Maybe you need a new centre ground 'Liberal fascism'?

...Only in America and certain ex Soviet states is liberal used as in insult!
As I've opined elsewhere in here, "liberal / left" are terms so overused and misused by the right-wing media industry in the U.S. that they have essentially lost any meaningful ideological "polarity" and have become catch-all pejoratives for any noticeable problem in society.   See a problem of any nature? --it's the result of "leftism."   See another problem with totally opposite symptoms? -- also a result of "leftism!"   Never underestimate the capacity of the American Right for mind-numbing self-contradiction; consistency is never the hobgoblin of a right-wing "mind."

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2012, 06:26:28 AM »
I'll answer your question by saying that here in the UK we have very strict controls over financing the various political parties by various donors. The donors naturally are not entirely altruistic, and by and large major sources of finance. In the US, you have massive on an obscene scale of political lobbying, backed by the paymasters..Almost all major capitalists in their own right. If we had that here, we'd have a revolution! Obama has (like all the other major players) bought into the same ethos that money can buy anything; even principles.
Politically, Cameron (Our Prime Minister) is so out of touch with the general population it's unreal, yet he wouldn't dare go near anything any American political party thinks is acceptable; such as accepting that poor people live in cars, that you have population who don't have a right to healthcare from cradle to grave. You can't even think of being a politician of any stature in the US unless you intersperse 'God' in anything to do with how you'll run the country; so a capable atheist has no chance! Religion is and always has been the greatest  methood of controlling the masses by politicians in all societies..yet your society embraces it! France might be seen as left wing by some (and to a point it is), but they're also secular, and wouldn't dream of having a ticket where God put them there.


The part about campaign financing is all quite true.  The rest is an interesting take on our society.  None of it makes Obama a right-winger though.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2012, 06:45:26 AM »
...None of it makes Obama a right-winger though.
Not to go all ad hominem, but just to offer an observation by way of explanation for the Yorkshire pud:

In writing to Paper*Boy, understand that his use of "right / left" in a political sense is totally subjectively value-laden.   Like I was saying before, for him, "left" = "anything he doesn't like."  "Right" = "what he likes."   Thus, since he has more than amply documented that he hates the ground Obama walks on, no amount of evidence will ever prove to him that "Obama is a rightist," because that would be to admit that "Obama might not be Satan Incarnate."   As long as P*B or any similar right-winger hold the firm belief that they "hate Obama," then no matter what Obama objectively does and how 95% of the rest of humanity categorizes it, he will remain to those right-wingers a "leftist," because anything they do not like is a priori "leftist."

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2012, 06:52:09 AM »
I had heard of Piers Morgan, of course. when he took over for Larry King, but I had never seen or heard him before a few days ago when I watched a clip of him 'interviewing' Larry Pratt, president of Gun Owners of America. I think I learned all I need to know about Mr. Morgan when he repeatedly shouted at Mr. Pratt to 'stop smiling' at one point in the clip. Mental illness, I'm thinking.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2012, 07:02:30 AM »
I had heard of Piers Morgan, of course. when he took over for Larry King, but I had never seen or heard him before a few days ago when I watched a clip of him 'interviewing' Larry Pratt, president of Gun Owners of America... Mental illness, I'm thinking.
You're absolutely right: Pratt IS mentally ill and I'd bet anything that it manifests in large part (no pun intended) in profound sexual obsessions and dysfunction.

Re: Piers Morgan and gun control
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2012, 07:05:33 AM »
Zero fatalities in both attacks in China. Piers Morgan is a tit but misrepresenting facts does not serve your argument.