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Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #180 on: July 12, 2015, 07:13:08 AM »
The claim that his photos could not be reproduced is clearly false since it has been done before
http://www.nmsr.org/ufocomp.htm

Michael's explanation is pretty poor,
http://www.theyfly.com/Asket_&_Nera.htm

He didn't take into account that the Dean Martin show is a show and therefore there are many frames of these singers, just because one picture you have doesn't match exactly (its identical minus the mouth position) doesn't prove anything.


Also Michael says,
"The forgeries were done so perfectly, that not even Billy noticed the adulterations over the past 23 years, since the two female look-alikes in the photos have an extremely close resemblance to Asket and Nera, right down to the last detail."


Then later in the article Michael attempts to use a photo to show the differences, despite having just stated that the photos were altered. Which is it? Were they altered or does one show an alien?


"It should also be stated that the investigators confirmed that Meier bought his first color television (a SABA) from Mr. Baer's store, in Bauma, in July 1976. Meier took the photo of Asket in 1975."


What investigators? Can you give names? Quotes? Citation?


Michael you also stated,
"Meier already back in 1976 states in his contact notes that his space-trip photos can't be trusted!
In the contact notes of the 68th contact on November 12, 1976 it is mentioned that space-trip pictures have been severely tampered with, and substitutions made in some cases and the photos not returned in other cases, during the photo processing."


If his photos had been tampered with back in 1976 how can we know which are authentic? Its also suspicous hat Billy would keep tampered photos all these years. Why not throw them away?

All we have is Billy's word to go on. One mans word and photos he believes have been tampered with (if they were tampered with the once they could do it again) is not sufficient proof. Actually its no proof at all. Billy's ex wife has stated it was a hoax, so as a character witness Billy is very unreliable.

And again for the third time Michael, this is an internet forum and the internet is full of anonymous people. If you don't want to argue with anonymous people then don't come here. If you do want to then you can't hold that against the people your are arguing with. It's that simple.

Not reading any more of Michael's work until he can answer these questions.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #181 on: July 12, 2015, 07:13:27 AM »
Lashing out with personal attacks is a sure sign you're a highly evolved space being with shiny aluminum foil for boxer briefs and a tin sauce pan for space helmet. No wonder he seems so irritable.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #182 on: July 12, 2015, 01:19:34 PM »
Here ya go bud.  I called it out after he wrote it, 99% chance it's a lie, on the second page of this thread.


people who are simply to cowardly




Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #183 on: July 12, 2015, 08:02:41 PM »
A gift, for those who know how to open...and use it:

http://theyflyblog.com/?p=3343

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #184 on: July 12, 2015, 08:13:04 PM »
A gift, for those who know how to open...and use it:

http://theyflyblog.com/?p=3343
Oh I get it you're Apostle Paul for Space Jesus! Everything makes perfect sense now.

Quit spamming the forum with links to your bullshit. Is traffic to your site that low that you need the SEO bump from BellGab?

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #185 on: July 12, 2015, 08:20:21 PM »
Spoken like a true cry baby, cowardly wimp.

Have a nice day!

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #186 on: July 12, 2015, 09:20:54 PM »
A gift, for those who know how to open...and use it:

http://theyflyblog.com/?p=3343

"George Knapp, a veteran TV reporter who’s done tons of pieces on UFOs – and who interviewed both Wendelle Stevens and me extensively so that he knows the Meier case is singularly authentic"

Interesting that there is no quote form Knapp about his endorsement of the case. Anyone who interviews you knows the case to be authentic, is that how it works?

"I emailed Jeremy to introduce the Meier case and myself to him but got no response, despite his gushy, “If you can prove or document compelling evidence in support of your story, I will amplify your case to the public, and help you expose the truth.”

Asking for compelling evidence is gushy?

"I tried again a couple of days later, with a more in-your-face approach. Still nothing. So I don’t know if he’s sitting around in shocked silence now that he knows his whole approach is rather banal and irrelevant, or simply doesn’t care because he’s created a nifty persona that he wants to capitalize on."

I have no idea who this guy is but if you were as in-your-face as you were with us on this forum I think he was probably shocked by your rudeness and decided not to waste time talking to you.

"If one wants to see a glaring example of en masse participation in such stuff, take a look here. You may notice that this thread started in 2009 with negative comments about the Meier case, me, etc., setting the tone. I started posting there a month ago to respond to a challenge by someone named John Razimus who’s been busy defaming the case,"

Thank you for posting a link to us! Now people can see for themselves just how rude you can be and how easily you avoid questions.

"while the thread is filled with one anonymous loser and shill after another"

Find a threat on the internet that isn't filled with anonymous people because there aren't many.

 "Art Bell, who for the most part has been the champion of promoting all things paranormal, UFO, alien and pseudo-scientific."

Speaking of Art Bell, I just heard your 03-07-04 interview with him. Have you reproduced the negatives from Billy's pictures as Art insisted?

"While the thread is filled with one anonymous loser and shill after another, it’s noteworthy to point out that “astroguy” is none other than the cowardly, long defeated, pseudo-scientist…Stuart Robbins."

How did you figure that one out?

BTW since experts have the final word on reality here is one who thinks the Meier case is bunk, posting on a UFO forum so he is not a debunker

http://www.openminds.tv/beamships-busted/12363


Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #187 on: July 12, 2015, 09:45:40 PM »
those are some ghetto ass UFOs...no wonder they crash all the time.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #188 on: July 12, 2015, 09:57:54 PM »
It's the Saab hubcaps that cause those UFOs to crash.  Everyone knows Saab shit is defective as fuck.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #189 on: July 12, 2015, 09:59:05 PM »
Spoken like a true cry baby, cowardly wimp.

Have a nice day!
Spoken like a truly evolved space brother.  So the Plejarerns are pro-asshole?

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #190 on: July 12, 2015, 10:00:10 PM »
I'll take the time to repsond to this.

This thread started out, as is par for the course for people who are ignorant and mean spirited, attacking the case, Meier and me. Naturally this is from people who have ZERO experience as researchers, investigators, scientists and…thinkers. The tone was set by you and the lowlifes here who live behind their little dark curtains. So, as I said, they of course play the orphan card, impotent little whiners that they, and you, are.

The rudeness, as you call it, always starts with these kind of attackers, not a single one of whom is truly  interested in the truth. It's not that this group is particularly special but it is representative of the kind of behavioral illness disproportionally found in the US, and which has spread to other countries, where wannabe, unaccomplished, envious nobodies make concerted efforts to bring down and do harm to those who have OPENLY risked quite a bit to at least try to contribute to the upliftment of humanity.

As for posting a link to this thread, you may not be so happy if you read the comments already posting on my blog (which has apretty good sized international readership). But you don't dare risk revealing who you all are, lest other human beings who don't know you by your silly screen names will then confirm for themselves what losers they suspected you were all along.

Although it's already been indicated on this thread, Art's challenge has been superbly answered by the three new photo/film analysis have authenticated Meier's evidence…again. Oh yeah, the protocols are included so anyone familiar with the scientific method - which obviously none of you are - can reproduce the test themselves. That's a slam dunk. Your inept, uneducated, superfluous "challenges" are simply meaningless, pretentious and transparently self-important…from people without real selves.

You further discredit yourself and reveal your ignorance by referring to the poseurs and disinformation specialists at Open Minds (there's a laugh!) as "experts". I've mopped the floor with them. As I would do with any of you, simply because the truth is very easy to both present and defend. It may not seem like it because for this group - and others like it - the truth is invisible and inaccessible…as well as clearly UNWELCOME.

I felt it was time to draw attention to the kind of stuff that contributes to the suppression of the truth and consequently the coming destruction of this country, etc. Don't worry, know one will know who you really are - you sure don't - and, likewise, no one will miss you or the other glib, vacuous, comic book characters here.

But they will have a painful example of the kind of nauseating degeneracy that has resulted from the deliberate, disgusting disinformation from the intelligence agencies, perpetuated by the idiots in the UFOCI, which includes most all of you.

Too rude for you? Trying setting a kinder, gentler tone. Cause and effect.


 

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #191 on: July 12, 2015, 11:15:44 PM »
as well as clearly UNWELCOME.


I was plenty welcoming until you ignored my question in favor of spending your time to issue multiple posts layered with strata of ad hominem. It is mathematically apparent where your priorities lie.

Thank you for linking to this thread in your blog. The irony is magically delicious!

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #192 on: July 12, 2015, 11:24:04 PM »
ALL of the redundant questions have long been answered - to the satisfaction of REAL experts - and you were given links to where they can be found, meaning where you can review the results of other people's years of research, analyses, etc.

That shouldn't be too difficult for all the people here who think they're so smart. The ad hominems started here, with you people.

Maybe you just don't want to find the answers.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #193 on: July 12, 2015, 11:26:28 PM »
and you were given links to where they can be found

Yes--but I was studying you, you big silly.


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Maybe you just don't want to find the answers.

Maybe. Alternately...



Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #194 on: July 12, 2015, 11:29:12 PM »
Well that photo is hands down the best thing I've seen on this thread!!!

Now that's more like it!

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #195 on: July 12, 2015, 11:33:33 PM »
Look, I made it clear when I came in: I'm a star.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #196 on: July 12, 2015, 11:35:41 PM »
Well it'll take a lot to outshine the glowing one there...

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #197 on: July 12, 2015, 11:40:05 PM »
UFO bullshitting must be pretty lucrative then huh?

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #198 on: July 12, 2015, 11:43:20 PM »
In response to b_dubb who insists on this tone. Okay.

As it now stands, this is your legacy, this is what you've amounted to…being a hater on an internet forum who squandered their life, with all its opportunities, to try to bring other people down. These other people spent their lives in pursuit of high accomplishment because they valued and respected their lives and had love and respect for others as well. They ceaselessly created that which was positive and uplifting and offered service to others. They didn't waste time to utter glib, impotent, vile nothingnesses, though they freely offered things of great value to those who did, in hopes of assisting them too.

And so the wannabes looked around and finally realized that they had all gathered together, like dirt that clogs a drain, when they could have instead spiraled upward, discovering Creation in all its fantastic manifestations and helping to uplift others instead of being a plague unto them - and themselves - with their degenerated consciousness.

Maybe time for a better direction?

P.S. I suggest starting with contemplation of the pure and precious young life in Jackstar's photo and consider if that's the way you'd want this young one to be taught and raised, to be glib, attacking, shallow...or maybe treated as the lovely being that she is, encouraged to show respect, love and reverence for life and the people she meets along the way.

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #199 on: July 13, 2015, 12:23:32 AM »
Jackstar,

Here's something I wrote for my daughter when she was about that age:

I Do Believe in You

You might say that love is like water in the stream
and you're the cup that gets filled up when you're empty and in need
it's always there just like the air it follows you to sleep
it's so well known it can't be owned  but it's all that you can keep

Love has the greatest power as it moves the rolling seas
it forms the notes in bluebirds’ throats it's there when you say please
it's not just mine or only yours but here for everyone
sometimes it's hidden by your fears like clouds can hide the sun

And oh when you're suffering and hope has packed its bags
you're an infant needing mothering a dirty window needing rags
 
Then out of nowhere so it seems some love gets in your way
you don't have the strength to throw it out so it makes a place to stay
"Where were you when I needed you?" you'll ask and love will say,
"Oh do I believe in you I never went away
I do believe in you I never went away."

Words & Music
Michael Horn

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #200 on: July 13, 2015, 12:55:30 AM »

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #201 on: July 13, 2015, 05:07:56 AM »
I'll take the time to repsond to this.

This thread started out, as is par for the course for people who are ignorant and mean spirited, attacking the case, Meier and me. Naturally this is from people who have ZERO experience as researchers, investigators, scientists and…thinkers. The tone was set by you and the lowlifes here who live behind their little dark curtains. So, as I said, they of course play the orphan card, impotent little whiners that they, and you, are.

The rudeness, as you call it, always starts with these kind of attackers, not a single one of whom is truly  interested in the truth. It's not that this group is particularly special but it is representative of the kind of behavioral illness disproportionally found in the US, and which has spread to other countries, where wannabe, unaccomplished, envious nobodies make concerted efforts to bring down and do harm to those who have OPENLY risked quite a bit to at least try to contribute to the upliftment of humanity.

As for posting a link to this thread, you may not be so happy if you read the comments already posting on my blog (which has apretty good sized international readership). But you don't dare risk revealing who you all are, lest other human beings who don't know you by your silly screen names will then confirm for themselves what losers they suspected you were all along.

Although it's already been indicated on this thread, Art's challenge has been superbly answered by the three new photo/film analysis have authenticated Meier's evidence…again. Oh yeah, the protocols are included so anyone familiar with the scientific method - which obviously none of you are - can reproduce the test themselves. That's a slam dunk. Your inept, uneducated, superfluous "challenges" are simply meaningless, pretentious and transparently self-important…from people without real selves.

You further discredit yourself and reveal your ignorance by referring to the poseurs and disinformation specialists at Open Minds (there's a laugh!) as "experts". I've mopped the floor with them. As I would do with any of you, simply because the truth is very easy to both present and defend. It may not seem like it because for this group - and others like it - the truth is invisible and inaccessible…as well as clearly UNWELCOME.

I felt it was time to draw attention to the kind of stuff that contributes to the suppression of the truth and consequently the coming destruction of this country, etc. Don't worry, know one will know who you really are - you sure don't - and, likewise, no one will miss you or the other glib, vacuous, comic book characters here.

But they will have a painful example of the kind of nauseating degeneracy that has resulted from the deliberate, disgusting disinformation from the intelligence agencies, perpetuated by the idiots in the UFOCI, which includes most all of you.

Too rude for you? Trying setting a kinder, gentler tone. Cause and effect.

Perhaps just try sharing your information and stop making irrational assumptions about your audience.  It does nothing but cast you as emotionally juvenile.  I'm pretty certain I and others here have stronger science and engineering backgrounds than you, but there is really no point in mentioning it because you will only accuse us of being anonymous cowards who work as custodians at Walmart.  It doesn't matter anyway.  You are the expert on Billy Meier.  You are the media personality.  You have to be better than this.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #202 on: July 13, 2015, 06:56:17 AM »
It might help you if you don't use derogatory words for people that question your veracity. Also a lot of people here have no problem using their real names. Some of them will tell you outright, others will tell you if you ask them so its not like they are hiding. Also John Razimus?  How about our very own expat or astroguy?


See, it does if you are batshit.


I would think that a sane, legitimate author would never respond to a pack of internet forum denizens.  Not only does he respond (if it is really the guy), he actually attacks people.   It's awesome.  MV could charge admission!!

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #203 on: July 13, 2015, 06:56:19 AM »
I have to agree with Georgie, for being a Media personality Michael certainly isn't very good at dealing with the public. People in Ufology especially need thick skin and attacking your critics is never the way to go.

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #204 on: July 13, 2015, 06:57:11 AM »
Perhaps just try sharing your information and stop making irrational assumptions about your audience.  It does nothing but cast you as emotionally juvenile.  I'm pretty certain I and others here have stronger science and engineering backgrounds than you, but there is really no point in mentioning it because you will only accuse us of being anonymous cowards who work as custodians at Walmart.  It doesn't matter anyway.  You are the expert on Billy Meier.  You are the media personality.  You have to be better than this.


B-I-N-G-O!!


We have a bingo!

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #205 on: July 13, 2015, 07:46:11 AM »
Jackstar,

Here's something I wrote for my daughter when she was about that age:

Michael Horn

Oh dear. You reproduced? Please reaasure us you don't tell her Billy Meier is credible. You're making it up..please tell her that.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #206 on: July 13, 2015, 10:16:44 AM »
You've mistaken me for someone who gives a crap what you say or think. Please pedal crazy somewhere else.


Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #207 on: July 13, 2015, 11:02:22 AM »
I'll take the time to repsond to this.

This thread started out, as is par for the course for people who are ignorant and mean spirited, attacking the case, Meier and me. Naturally this is from people who have ZERO experience as researchers, investigators, scientists and…thinkers. The tone was set by you and the lowlifes here who live behind their little dark curtains. So, as I said, they of course play the orphan card, impotent little whiners that they, and you, are.



I would like to point out that this statement is a perfect example of how your logic is flawed. You complain that we are anonymous yet you claim to know that, " Naturally this is from people who have ZERO experience as researchers, investigators, scientists and…thinkers." Hmm this is funny since everyone here is anonymous.

There are tons of examples of your lack of logic that I tried to get you to explain but I'm done now.
I actually had no problem with you pedaling your crazy here (its the Art Bell forum what better place!) but if your going to be rude, condescending, ignore most of our questions, act like every critic is inferior, have almost no logic whatsoever and act like a mean internet hater than whats the point. Honestly if you were a normal member of this forum, and we weren't having so much fun with you, you would probably have been banned by now for your comments.

A piece of advice Michael (you won't take it because I'm a lowlife who lives behind dark curtains but I'll give it anyway) if your going to keep representing this 'case' you shouldn't attack everyone who questions what your saying. As a media man it makes you look bad and the person you're representing.
 

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #208 on: July 13, 2015, 11:05:54 AM »
I have to agree with Georgie, for being a Media personality Michael certainly isn't very good at dealing with the public. People in Ufology especially need thick skin and attacking your critics is never the way to go.

Sensible advice, but they never do. Mainly because the UFO community has a significant proportion of paranoid shut-ins for whom this is their life's work, and they don't take kindly to contradiction. Or criticism at all. This guy on here is just like that: 'you're all fools, and it has all been verified by 'experts' (i.e people who agree with me)', all to support the dubious claims of a one-armed Austrian Swiss peasant with a history of falsification.
 
Either Horn is so deluded he really buys into this, and he is sincere, but mad. Or, he is taking people for a ride. Or, he used to believe it, but now he realises it is all balls, but is so deep in that he can't pull out without taking a big financial hit/loss of 'credibility' (I use 'credibility' in its loosest possible sense).

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #209 on: July 13, 2015, 11:10:09 AM »
Sensible advice, but they never do. Mainly because the UFO community has a significant proportion of paranoid shut-ins for whom this is their life's work, and they don't take kindly to contradiction. Or criticism at all. This guy on here is just like that: 'you're all fools, and it has all been verified by 'experts' (i.e people who agree with me)', all to support the dubious claims of a one-armed Austrian peasant with a history of falsification.
 
Either Horn is so deluded he really buys into this, and he is sincere, but mad. Or, he is taking people for a ride. Or, he used to believe it, but now he realises it is all balls, but is so deep in that he can't pull out without taking a big financial hit/loss of 'credibility' (I use 'credibility' in its loosest possible sense).

Billy is Swiss, therefore your argument is null and void  ;D