Standing against China.

[Yorkshire pud]

I bet this causes some inner turmoil with those who don't like mass demos. :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-29405195

Tens of thousands of pro-democracy protesters are blocking Hong Kong's streets, shutting down its business hub and ignoring appeals to leave.

The demonstrations have spread to other areas including a shopping district and a residential area.

Riot police withdrew on Monday after overnight clashes in which they used batons and fired volleys of tear gas to try to disperse the crowds.

China has warned other countries not to support the "illegal rallies".

Its foreign ministry said it opposed any interference in China's internal affairs.

Meanwhile the British government called for the right to protest to be protected.

"It is important for Hong Kong to preserve these rights and for Hong Kong people to exercise them within the law," the UK foreign office said in a statement.

[Zoo]

Actually I think this is really good thing. I hope they actually bring them to their knees. I wait for more showdowns worldwide!!1

[Yorkshire pud]

Actually I think this is really good thing. I hope they actually bring them to their knees. I wait for more showdowns worldwide!!1

Damn commies. 

[Yorkshire pud]

I'm genuinely surprised there's been no comment from the resident 'freedom lovin' anti  commies. The protesters are planning on taking over government buildings. Taking the country back for the people by the people. The republicans would be proud.

[albrecht]

I'm genuinely surprised there's been no comment from the resident 'freedom lovin' anti  commies. The protesters are planning on taking over government buildings. Taking the country back for the people by the people. The republicans would be proud.

Nah, that is for the Brits to take up. The stupid British government wanted to get rid of it and they trusted communists to be held to a treaty or their word? It is sad but we have problems of our own doing for which to deal.

[Catsmile]

Nah, that is for the Brits to take up. The stupid British government wanted to get rid of it and they trusted communists to be held to a treaty or their word? It is sad but we have problems of our own doing for which to deal.

In other words Faux Newz, and AM radio hasn't said much about it.
So they don't know what to be faux righteously indignant about, or despise.
Give them time to spin it, they will be whipped into a frenzy easily enough.

ISIS and Ebola have their collective knees jerking a jig, to the beat of war and fear for the time being. What a way to live your life war and fear. Better than horse porn? I think not. 

[pate]

I am always about sending in the tanks against protestors...  Makes a good poster (de-motivational or regular...) sometimes if a good Western photog is there risking life and limb to snap a few frames...

[PB the Deplorable]

I'm genuinely surprised there's been no comment from the resident 'freedom lovin' anti  commies...

What is it you would like to hear?

We stand with those demanding Freedom and Liberty, and against those - demonstrating or otherwise - in support Fascism and/or dictatorship. 

So we sided with the Tian-a-men Square protestors in 1989 and with those protesting in Hong Kong today.  We sided with those at the very beginning of the 'Arab Spring' - in Iran, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Bahrain, Qatar, and the rest - and against the Moslem Brotherhood and al-Qaeda when they seized control of most of those protests.  We sided with the desires of the Ukraines - while suggesting their actions were likely counterproductive, needlessly antagonizing Vladimir Putin, and ultimately giving him an excuse to annex the Crimea.

Sometimes it's hard to watch or encourage because it almost surely will end badly.

And we support the Tea Party as they hold rallies and confront their 'Representatives' at their town hall meetings, and against the America-hating Left - Occupy and otherwise - when they are out looting, burning, and attacking the police.

Hope this helps.

[Zoo]

Great Britain owned Hong Kong, gave it to China. Hong Kong liked being free. China does not like it. China wants only there people in office in Hong Kong. The people say no they want their own. So they are fighting back. Now America 1% does not want United States citizens to see people rise up and tell the more stronger force (Chinas 1%) can be stopped like in Hong Kong. Funny how it takes a Communist country to show how Democracy should be like. Americans should be ashamed of what we let happen to this country because we are to fat and lazy to do anything about it. Even when we do like in Occupy Wall Street people called them dumb lazy people who were making things worse. This is how dumb Americans have become they were out there fighting against the Banking Industry to help say homes and jobs but no TV said they bad. So people said them protesters are bad, and turn the people against themselves while the bankers walked away free. Great job America for protecting the 1%. Oh ya go Hong Kong show the world what can be done when the people rise up and say NO MORE!!1

[Gd5150]

When someone sarcastically types Commies with a childish snicker it demonstrates the depth of their ignorance and really is good for a laugh. Keep'em coming sweeties.

[FightTheFuture]

I wish the folks in Hong Kong well. Nothing I would like more to see then Hong Kong gain its independence. I am a big fan of Hong Kong. I have been there a number of times and would love to go back. However, as long as they are under Chinese rule, I never will.

Unfortunately, I doubt this will end well. The tanks will roll, the army will be deployed, and the Chinese will do what the Chinese do; "Tiananmen Square" them.

[Zoo]

May their blood tell a story of bravery and strength against overwhelming odds. May they stand strong in the face of rule!!1

[VtaGeezer]

I wish the folks in Hong Kong well. Nothing I would like more to see then Hong Kong gain its independence. I am a big fan of Hong Kong. I have been there a number of times and would love to go back. However, as long as they are under Chinese rule, I never will.

Unfortunately, I doubt this will end well. The tanks will roll, the army will be deployed, and the Chinese will do what the Chinese do; "Tiananmen Square" them.

I agree.  Plus, this has the potential to mess up E Asia (again).  China's made similar promises about "One China-Two Systems" to Taiwan if they were to re-unite...fat chance if they send the army into Hong Kong.  Some China experts predict that between KFC and Ali Baba, the PRC is going to unravel.

[Zoo]

going to unravel.

I hope they do!!1

[Yorkshire pud]

Great Britain owned Hong Kong, gave it to China. Hong Kong liked being free.

Not exactly. GB had to give HK back to China because of a binding agreement. It wasn't popular in the UK but there wasn't much choice; the least bad thing was negotiating an agreement with China to protect HK (Which China has largely complied with). What was the alternative? Tell China to get fucked it's ours and watch hundreds of thousands of Chinese troops swarm across the border into HK?

China does not like it. China wants only there people in office in Hong Kong. The people say no they want their own. So they are fighting back. Now America 1% does not want United States citizens to see people rise up and tell the more stronger force (Chinas 1%) can be stopped like in Hong Kong. Funny how it takes a Communist country to show how Democracy should be like. Americans should be ashamed of what we let happen to this country because we are to fat and lazy to do anything about it. Even when we do like in Occupy Wall Street people called them dumb lazy people who were making things worse. This is how dumb Americans have become they were out there fighting against the Banking Industry to help say homes and jobs but no TV said they bad. So people said them protesters are bad, and turn the people against themselves while the bankers walked away free. Great job America for protecting the 1%. Oh ya go Hong Kong show the world what can be done when the people rise up and say NO MORE!!1

Erm, yeah.

[Zoo]

Not exactly. GB had to give HK back to China because of a binding agreement. It wasn't popular in the UK but there wasn't much choice; the least bad thing was negotiating an agreement with China to protect HK (Which China has largely complied with). What was the alternative? Tell China to get fucked it's ours and watch hundreds of thousands of Chinese troops swarm across the border into HK?

Erm, yeah.

Wait we agree on something? Hold on...Yup it is official this is the end !!1

[Yorkshire pud]

Wait we agree on something? Hold on...Yup it is official this is the end !!1

Hold your horses. It hasn't gone to a feasibility study yet.

[PB the Deplorable]

Not exactly. GB had to give HK back to China because of a binding agreement...

Not Exactly


Hong Kong's territory was acquired from 3 separate treaties:

Hong Kong Island itself was acquired under the Treaty of Nanjing in 1842

Kowloon (the financial and shopping district on the tip of the peninsula directly across from HK Island) was acquired under the Treaty of Beijing in 1860.

The New Territories (the rest of the peninsula behind Kowloon, and the other outlying islands) were acquired under the Convention For The Extension Of Hong Kong Territory in 1898


Kowloon and Hong Kong Island are the densely populated parts of the territory people associate with 'Hong Kong'.  Kowloon and HK Island were both ceded to Britain in perpetuity.

The New Territories were acquired under a 99 year lease, which was up in 1997. 


China wanted the entire territory, and for various reasons the British government conceded.  In return for handing over the entire territory, China pledged under the Sino-British Joint Resolution transfer agreement that Hong Kong's capitalist system and it's 'way of life' would remain unchanged for 50 years, as spelled out under the One Country-Two Systems Principle.

[Yorkshire pud]

Not Exactly


Hong Kong's territory was acquired from 3 separate treaties:

Hong Kong Island itself was acquired under the Treaty of Nanjing in 1842

Kowloon (the financial and shopping district on the tip of the peninsula directly across from HK Island) was acquired under the Treaty of Beijing in 1860.

The New Territories (the rest of the peninsula behind Kowloon, and the other outlying islands) were acquired under the Convention For The Extension Of Hong Kong Territory in 1898


Kowloon and Hong Kong Island are the densely populated parts of the territory people associate with 'Hong Kong'.  Kowloon and HK Island were both ceded to Britain in perpetuity.

The New Territories were acquired under a 99 year lease, which was up in 1997. 


China wanted the entire territory, and for various reasons the British government conceded.

Yeah; what I said...I'll paste it again.

"It wasn't popular in the UK but there wasn't much choice; the least bad thing was negotiating an agreement with China to protect HK (Which China has largely complied with). What was the alternative? Tell China to get fucked it's ours and watch hundreds of thousands of Chinese troops swarm across the border into HK?"

  In return for handing over the entire territory, China pledged under the Sino-British Joint Resolution transfer agreement that Hong Kong's capitalist system and it's 'way of life' would remain unchanged for 50 years, as spelled out under the One Country-Two Systems Principle.

Yes, so what was your point? That GB should take it's ball back and renege on the lease agreement? We already get criticised for having too much reach throughout the world, so when an agreement is complied with, we get criticised for it. No win situation. The current demos are to do with what will happen in 2017, and the current admin in HK.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Yes, so what was your point?...

The minor point is there was a little more to it than what you mentioned, and the main point is that China has a legal obligation they signed and agreed to - to keep out of the internal affairs of Hong Kong, economically and politically.

If they aren't going to do that, no one is going to intervene. 

But the world should be paying attention.  Their neighbors - who are already nervous as they watch China grow it's military and annex disputed islands, international airspace and international waters.  Taiwan - whom they would like to entice into a similar 'one country two system' agreement.  The US and our allies in the area.  Any countries or businesses that have existing agreements or are considering new agreements should be interested in how China lives up to it's commitments, etc. 

Heck, even the UK should be interested, considering they are the ones China is breaking a treaty with.

[Yorkshire pud]

The minor point is there was a little more to it than what you mentioned, and the main point is that China has a legal obligation they signed and agreed to - to keep out of the internal affairs of Hong Kong, economically and politically.

If they aren't going to do that, no one is going to intervene. 

But the world should be paying attention.  Their neighbors - who are already nervous as they watch China grow it's military and annex disputed islands, international airspace and international waters.  Taiwan - whom they would like to entice into a similar 'one country two system' agreement.  The US and our allies in the area.  Any countries or businesses that have existing agreements or are considering new agreements should be interested in how China lives up to it's commitments, etc. 

Heck, even the UK should be interested, considering they are the ones China is breaking a treaty with.

China needs the world's economy. It needs HK to retain it's status as a financial hub. I would be very surprised if China (with it's current reformers in office) would really sacrifice that. They've seen since 97 how it works for them. Selfish yes. Stupid no.