Need your advice to help stop a mass murder

[area51drone]

So this little shit with asperger's is running around our neighborhood with his dad (more in a moment).  Kid is weird, and I mean weird.   He creeps everyone out, makes really inappropriate sexual comments to other people (kids and adults alike, and in real life - not just on the internet like me) and has even been seen rubbing himself (yes in that way) with some shit he was holding at a garage sale.   I have said for at least a year to my wife that this kid is a fucking time bomb waiting to go off.   He has a "case worker" sort of, I guess, who is this guy who comes around and plays football with him or something.    So, anyway, I see him and his dad running around today with AR style airsoft guns.   Nothing like teaching your fucked up son how to target people and handle a (albeit fake) firearm, eh dad?    My fear is that when he gets old enough (he's 17 now, but acts like an inappropriate 10 year old), what happens if he just decides to go buy a real firearm?   Girls already hate this kid, he's obviously sexually frustrated and he's never going to get anywhere with any of them.     How can he be stopped?   How can I make sure he never gets a real gun?

[Kelt]

How can I make sure he never gets a real gun?

Does he fit any of the following criteria?

If not, well, you probably best get used to the idea of him having a gun.



Persons under indictment for, or convicted of, any crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding on year;
Fugitives from justice;
Persons who are unlawful users of, or addicted to, any controlled substance;
Persons who have been declared by a court as mental defectives or have been committed to a mental institution;
Illegal aliens, or aliens who were admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;
Persons who have been dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces;
Persons who have renounced their United States citizenship;
Persons subject to certain types of restraining orders; and
Persons who have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

So this little shit with asperger's is running around our neighborhood with his dad (more in a moment).  Kid is weird, and I mean weird.   He creeps everyone out, makes really inappropriate sexual comments to other people (kids and adults alike, and in real life - not just on the internet like me) and has even been seen rubbing himself (yes in that way) with some shit he was holding at a garage sale.   I have said for at least a year to my wife that this kid is a fucking time bomb waiting to go off.   He has a "case worker" sort of, I guess, who is this guy who comes around and plays football with him or something.    So, anyway, I see him and his dad running around today with AR style airsoft guns.   Nothing like teaching your fucked up son how to target people and handle a (albeit fake) firearm, eh dad?    My fear is that when he gets old enough (he's 17 now, but acts like an inappropriate 10 year old), what happens if he just decides to go buy a real firearm?   Girls already hate this kid, he's obviously sexually frustrated and he's never going to get anywhere with any of them.     How can he be stopped?   How can I make sure he never gets a real gun?

what's the problem? can't he just get porn from the web like the rest of us. OR direct him to bellgab.com. if it doesn't help him vent, maybe it would at least narrow down his choice of targets.

cuz ya know.... if dad has a real gun right now... so does the fucked up kid. (bold is for easy copy for gab banner quote) 

[Yorkshire pud]

The second amendment prevails. Enjoy.

[area51drone]

The second amendment prevails. Enjoy.

I am all for private gun ownership, but this should be a clear cut case of  No Way José ...   

[area51drone]

cuz ya know.... if dad has a real gun right now... so does the fucked up kid. (bold is for easy copy for gab banner quote) 

Right.  His Dad is a normal guy, nothing wrong with him except his judgement and his gene pool, or perhaps it's the pool he let his guys swim in.  Anyway, nice guy.  I feel like I should say something to him, but what do I say?  Do cops give a shit about stuff like this, or is there anything they can even do?   He lives right across the street from two concerned police officers, so you'd think something would be done about it if it could be.

[Yorkshire pud]

Right.  His Dad is a normal guy, nothing wrong with him except his judgement and his gene pool, or perhaps it's the pool he let his guys swim in.  Anyway, nice guy.  I feel like I should say something to him, but what do I say?  Do cops give a shit about stuff like this, or is there anything they can even do?   He lives right across the street from two concerned police officers, so you'd think something would be done about it if it could be.

I was roundly condemned by some on here when I suggested people should have psychological assessment before being allowed to legally use or own firearms. They're not so I guess you and your neighbours will simply have to live with it. Then if and when the shit does hit the fan the neighbours can ask why he wasn't assessed. Simple.

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

Right.  His Dad is a normal guy, nothing wrong with him except his judgement and his gene pool, or perhaps it's the pool he let his guys swim in.  Anyway, nice guy.  I feel like I should say something to him, but what do I say?  Do cops give a shit about stuff like this, or is there anything they can even do?   He lives right across the street from two concerned police officers, so you'd think something would be done about it if it could be.

if the kid does have ASD i'm not sure his language would be that unusual. i'm no expert, but i have first hand knowledge of someone with ASD. i have known her all her life as a matter of fact. she is extremely intelligent, works and thinks in several languages and is very functional. except when interacting with others. she does understand the difference between right and wrong actions/thoughts. actually it is her understanding of the rules as a guide. socially, she can't "read" what rule fits. she has learned from outside correction (me) how what she may have said or done broke the rules. get to know the dad better and maybe get to know the kid. besides... i always thought it was the quiet ones to look out for....

[FightTheFuture]

Right.  His Dad is a normal guy, nothing wrong with him except his judgement and his gene pool, or perhaps it's the pool he let his guys swim in.  Anyway, nice guy.  I feel like I should say something to him, but what do I say?  Do cops give a shit about stuff like this, or is there anything they can even do?   He lives right across the street from two concerned police officers, so you'd think something would be done about it if it could be.

If the little bastard is being obnoxious and saying inappropriate things, you need to talk to the dad and let him know...immediately, if not sooner. That`s for the good of the kid, if nothing else.

If the dad is not receptive, just nod and say, "Ok, Bob, well I`ll be meeting with the PD later today and we`ll see what they have to say." AND go and meet the cops.

[wr250]

I was roundly condemned by some on here when I suggested people should have psychological assessment before being allowed to legally use or own firearms. They're not so I guess you and your neighbours will simply have to live with it. Then if and when the shit does hit the fan the neighbours can ask why he wasn't assessed. Simple.

i agree with this. however i would do it with a required training course. the instructor should know how to spot and remove these people, pending a psych exam. the course would be required every ten years (from the first class) . yes a few will slip through, that always happens ,no matter the venue. the course would have valuable training, which could prevent your weapon from being turned against you, along with practice to be a better shot with your weapon.

mostly  these people that are mentally ill either steal the weapons, or buy on the black market.

[Yorkshire pud]

i agree with this. however i would do it with a required training course. the instructor should know how to spot and remove these people, pending a psych exam. the course would be required every ten years (from the first class) . yes a few will slip through, that always happens ,no matter the venue. the course would have valuable training, which could prevent your weapon from being turned against you, along with practice to be a better shot with your weapon.

mostly  these people that are mentally ill either steal the weapons, or buy on the black market.

Do they? How do you know? Apparently unless you have a diagnosed mental illness, there's no legitimate way of knowing if the prospective user has an undiagnosed mental illness. Out of 1000 users, how many would be psychologically weeded out and prevented to carry a firearm if they were in the military? 1? 500? 999? No way of knowing.

[wr250]

Do they? How do you know?

i have 1st hand experience.that is how i know.
Yorkshire : see your pm

[Yorkshire pud]

i have 1st hand experience.that is how i know.
Yorkshire : see your pm

Yep. I've replied. My point is that no two situations are the same. Neither does one strategy for dealing with it suit all. The police have next to no training in dealing with mental illness, so their options are to do nothing (as they did with the son of the film producer recently) or arrest them with the possibility they'll have to release them due to not having broken any laws or not sufficient evidence to prosecute. Either way it isn't tackling mental health issues. Prisons are full of people with mental health problems. It wouldn't surprise me if a great many are there simply because they (and the rest of society) have been failed by those in power who don't take it seriously until it goes tragically wrong. Most of us are ill equipped and trained to care for severely ill patients, those that do probably try to do the best they can with very little outside help,  resources and in many cases stamina. I know well a woman with four kids, the second youngest has multiple mental and physical health problems, and takes up most of her time and energy. She's terrified that when she dies her daughter might be simply left to fend for herself, and she simply won't be able to. She's aged 11 with a mental age of 4. It will always be so. But she's dealing with puberty etc: things she simply cannot comprehend.

[ksm32]

Right.  His Dad is a normal guy, nothing wrong with him except his judgement and his gene..

I would start there. If you can (word it right) and get your point across to him? It MIGHT work. If the kid is 17 though that may be a tall order.

I was in a very similar situation some time ago. The little shit in question was 12 < still young enough for Dad to be able to put some fear in to him. I (worded it right) and instilled a touch of fear in the dad, thus spilling in to the kid. My daughter was 10 at the time and I was not fuckin around.

Might be a little late in your situation and you may have to talk to the kid man to man when he's old enough.

[DanTSX]

The second amendment prevails. Enjoy.

Fortunately, it works both ways.

[DanTSX]

Am I the only one thinking the OP is a little off their rocker?

[Yorkshire pud]

Fortunately, it works both ways.

Yep. Much more elegant to have a shootout rather than address a glaring flaw in archaic legislature. Fantastic.

[PB the Deplorable]

Yep. Much more elegant to have a shootout rather than address a glaring flaw in archaic legislature. Fantastic.

It's neither a glaring flaw nor archaic legislature.

Care to try again?

[Yorkshire pud]

It's neither a glaring flaw nor archaic legislature.

Care to try again?

If you can't see that allowing guns to anyone who isn't already on a 'no they can't' list and is showing signs of mental illness is a bad idea, I can't explain further to you, as you didn't get it the first time.

[onan]

This is a no win situation. First, the police don't care. Second, children services is understaffed, underfunded, and more than likely full of policy that actually inerferes with any ability to help with this situation.

Talking to the dad is probably the only viable path to take. At 17 it should be pretty clear if someone with Asperger Syndrome is able to function independently. If the kid is presenting as a danger to self or others, call the police, have neighbors call too. The more documentation you have the better. The more calls and trips to a psych eval the better.

But all of that, isn't a guarantee much will be done.

[ksm32]

This is a no win situation. First, the police don't care. Second, children services is understaffed, underfunded, and more than likely full of policy that actually inerferes with any ability to help with this situation.

Talking to the dad is probably the only viable path to take. At 17 it should be pretty clear if someone with Asperger Syndrome is able to function independently. If the kid is presenting as a danger to self or others, call the police, have neighbors call too. The more documentation you have the better. The more calls and trips to a psych eval the better.

But all of that, isn't a guarantee much will be done.

So its almost hopeless, you agree.  But do you have to make so much sense about it?

[jazmunda]

Law enforcement and the relevant authorities are either ill-equipped, understaffed or undertrained to diagnose and deal with mental illness and it is usually a case of acting or only be able to act until after the damage has been done.