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Obama's views and treatment: Military&Veterans vs Illegals

Started by albrecht, July 25, 2014, 08:41:24 AM

albrecht

Has anybody noticed the odd difference on how Obama, and his administration, treats the military and veterans versus his treatment and statements towards illegals?
Military&Veterans:
-insulting the Naval Hospital Corpsman by derisively calling them "CORPSE-men"
http://tinyurl.com/ygyaf4q
-Delays and even secret waiting lists at some VA hospitals (I won't call them "death panels" but they were for some veterans, sadly)
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/health/veterans-dying-health-care-delays/
-Obama's minion Holder sees threat in returning American soldiers (in addition to Americans)
http://tinyurl.com/ofhzga6
-and more, of course

Illegals:
-calling them "Dreamers" and encouraging amnesty and, at least by omission, for them to come here
-personally having several family members who were illegal ("Dear Aunty"- who also bilked public housing, a drunken uncle- who also got in a DUI accident, and a brother- who tried to enter the UK under a false-name due to a previous sex-charge.) You can google any of those. Too many for me to link. He should recuse himself on the issue due to his personal, vested interest.
-gives illegals free healthcare (and no secret waiting lists) and brags on the "quality"
http://tinyurl.com/6qozyeh
-Obama releasing illegals, even illegals convicted of crimes, some violent.
http://tinyurl.com/kag83qf
-Obama wants to by-pass Mexico and import illegals directly in from Honduras
http://tinyurl.com/qj23djo

and many more stories out there to compare. And in the VA case and in the recent illegal surge the administration, and Obama, was aware of the problem for quite some time before the crises, but chose to do nothing.
http://tinyurl.com/qxgv4do
http://tinyurl.com/lccwlr5
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1419372.html


NowhereInTime

Quote from: albrecht on July 25, 2014, 08:41:24 AM
Has anybody noticed the odd difference on how Obama, and his administration, treats the military and veterans versus his treatment and statements towards illegals?
Military&Veterans:
-insulting the Naval Hospital Corpsman by derisively calling them "CORPSE-men"
http://tinyurl.com/ygyaf4q
-Delays and even secret waiting lists at some VA hospitals (I won't call them "death panels" but they were for some veterans, sadly)
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/health/veterans-dying-health-care-delays/
-Obama's minion Holder sees threat in returning American soldiers (in addition to Americans)
http://tinyurl.com/ofhzga6
-and more, of course

Illegals:
-calling them "Dreamers" and encouraging amnesty and, at least by omission, for them to come here
-personally having several family members who were illegal ("Dear Aunty"- who also bilked public housing, a drunken uncle- who also got in a DUI accident, and a brother- who tried to enter the UK under a false-name due to a previous sex-charge.) You can google any of those. Too many for me to link. He should recuse himself on the issue due to his personal, vested interest.
-gives illegals free healthcare (and no secret waiting lists) and brags on the "quality"
http://tinyurl.com/6qozyeh
-Obama releasing illegals, even illegals convicted of crimes, some violent.
http://tinyurl.com/kag83qf
-Obama wants to by-pass Mexico and import illegals directly in from Honduras
http://tinyurl.com/qj23djo

and many more stories out there to compare. And in the VA case and in the recent illegal surge the administration, and Obama, was aware of the problem for quite some time before the crises, but chose to do nothing.
http://tinyurl.com/qxgv4do
http://tinyurl.com/lccwlr5
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1419372.html
No, hadn't noticed.  More of your ginned up anti-Obama conflation.

albrecht

Quote from: NowhereInTime on July 25, 2014, 10:04:27 AM
No, hadn't noticed.  More of your ginned up anti-Obama conflation.
Because it is all a conspiracy by CNN, New York Times and those other "far right" news organizations and the government and administration itself (VA, ICE, DHS press releases I linked too) to discredit Obama? How? Why would they want to discredit Obama?

NowhereInTime

Quote from: albrecht on July 25, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
Because it is all a conspiracy by CNN, New York Times and those other "far right" news organizations and the government and administration itself (VA, ICE, DHS press releases I linked too) to discredit Obama? How? Why would they want to discredit Obama?
They don't reach those conclusions, you do.  You do it to disparage "that character Obama" on your never ending quest to disqualify him from the office to which he was twice elected.
You couldn't beat him, you can't impeach him, you try to sue him, and you continue this tedious drumbeat of questioning his patriotism, his honesty, his gender preference, his place of birth, on so on to frame him as some "other".
It's your time, waste it as you will.

WildCard

Throw enough shit against the wall and somethings gonna stick, right albrecht?

Seen the news last night or today?

From the most trusted name in news -
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/25/house-senate-talks-over-va-fix-in-chaos-as-recess-looms/

Same story with immigration. When the Senate sends a bill to the House, "it's too much money, we have to find a cheaper way".

albrecht

Quote from: WildCard on July 25, 2014, 10:52:19 AM
Throw enough shit against the wall and somethings gonna stick, right albrecht?

Seen the news last night or today?

From the most trusted name in news -
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/25/house-senate-talks-over-va-fix-in-chaos-as-recess-looms/

Same story with immigration. When the Senate sends a bill to the House, "it's too much money, we have to find a cheaper way".
All the sources for my links were either governmental, the administration itself, or "right-wing" newspapers like the New York Times. But it is easier to criticize the messenger than the "dear leader" when people have so much psychological, indeed spiritual, emotions invested in him.

ps: we don't need more money to fix the immigration system. The problem is where it is being allocated. Instead of busing and flying them around the country, simply dump them across the border or, better yet, deliver them to their embassies and consulates. And let them bathe, delouse, and ship them back home. Instead of doing paperwork put the BP on the border. Seize assets of their country-of-origin held in our Federal Reserve bank or commercial banks (or slap a tax on all out-going money xfers to those countries) to pay for the handling and repatriation of the illegal. Or take the money it costs away from the US AIDE, other humanitarian aide, or defense money we send them.

Quick Karl

If it is NOT completely batshit insane that we are struggling, economically, as a family of Americans, yet people willingly turn a blind eye to the fraud of the border problem, for the sole reason that they believe it will increase their voter turnout and they can crush their fellow American's that hold different political philosophies, then I don't know what the fuck is...

So, I will say it again, a hot war is coming in this country - because if one side of this country thinks they are going to make Palestinians out of the other side, and your opponents are just going to go away quietly, you're smoking crack. And I can guarantee you, there are a LOT of Real Americans, that you do NOT want pissed off at you...

Dude, I was right with you on everything you said, even agreeing to some points, until you fucked it all up with this:

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 25, 2014, 09:01:28 PM
And I can guarantee you, there are a LOT of Real Americans, that you do NOT want pissed off at you...

If the choice is between people struggling to be free, and peeps threatening us with bayonets because they are "pissed off" that we aren't compliant to their beliefs, then get ready to throw down, motherfucker.  I sure as hell would enjoy gunning down some duck dynasty wannabees over people truly suffering from oppression seeing freedom.  It would be a labor of love to shoot every fuckin one of those camoed twatheads down, down, down.

Quick Karl

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on July 25, 2014, 09:27:02 PM
Dude, I was right with you on everything you said, even agreeing to some points, until you fucked it all up with this:

If the choice is between people struggling to be free, and peeps threatening us with bayonets because they are "pissed off" that we aren't compliant to their beliefs, then get ready to throw down, motherfucker.  I sure as hell would enjoy gunning down some duck dynasty wannabees over people truly suffering from oppression seeing freedom.  It would be a labor of love to shoot every fuckin one of those camoed twatheads down, down, down.

Are you a homosexual?


albrecht

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on July 25, 2014, 09:37:54 PM
Sure, come on over.
As long as whatever fox-hole antics are kept at a minimum I am more than willing that you both, the now non-Christian Light and the liberal who agree sometimes,:-- to man the border. Hold the line. Especially since I've seen posted some good patterns from the Light. Get on down there. And quick. It is almost ARC-LIGHT time if y'all don't hold position!

Quote from: albrecht on July 25, 2014, 10:05:21 PM
As long as whatever fox-hole antics are kept at a minimum I am more than willing that you both, the now non-Christian Light and the liberal who agree sometimes,:-- to man the border. Hold the line. Especially since I've seen posted some good patterns from the Light. Get on down there. And quick. It is almost ARC-LIGHT time if y'all don't hold position!

Dude, no need for the code talk.  Just say you want to fuck and suck with Qweek Karl and me and be done with it.  Say what you mean, and mean what you say, dick hugger.


Quick Karl

Quote from: albrecht on July 25, 2014, 10:05:21 PM
As long as whatever fox-hole antics are kept at a minimum I am more than willing that you both, the now non-Christian Light and the liberal who agree sometimes,:-- to man the border. Hold the line. Especially since I've seen posted some good patterns from the Light. Get on down there. And quick. It is almost ARC-LIGHT time if y'all don't hold position!

When I was about 8, at a Boy's Club Camp in New Jersey, a camp councilor tried to touch my dick, and even at 8-years old I looked that fucking pervert right in his eye and I told him that if he ever came near me again I would steal a knife from the kitchen and stab him to death while he was sleeping, and he knew I meant every word of it. That mother fucking pervert fuckwit never even talked to me again after that.

Yeah, at 8, I actually said that to the fucking pervert.

Anyone gets fucking squirrely with me in a fox hole, will be dead. I don't give a fuck what you do with your sickening self but you invade my space and you will regret it.

The next civil war in America will not be shooting at illegals, it will be shooting at the people that think they are going to impose their will on Constitutionalists.


Quote from: Quick Karl on July 25, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
When I was about 8, at a Boy's Club Camp in New Jersey, a camp councilor tried to touch my dick, and even at 8-years old I looked that fucking pervert right in his eye and I told him that if he ever came near me again I would steal a knife from the kitchen and stab him to death while he was sleeping,

Sounds like the setup for a gay pr0n film.  I mean, if you were REALLY offended by that, you would have just gone and stabbed him after that incident.  Why give him a second chance?  Unless...

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 25, 2014, 10:59:17 PM
I guess your dreams are all you got...

Not exactly.  I have YOU coming on to me.  Not my first choice by any stretch of the imagination, but you know what they say: a 2 at 10, and a 10 at 2, amiright?

Say Karl, what are you doing tonight?  Up for a little frottage?

Quick Karl

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on July 26, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
Not exactly.  I have YOU coming on to me.  Not my first choice by any stretch of the imagination, but you know what they say: a 2 at 10, and a 10 at 2, amiright?

Say Karl, what are you doing tonight?  Up for a little frottage?

Lemme guess - you're one of those perverts that tries to touch little boy's dicks, and now you're all offended...

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 26, 2014, 09:41:39 AM
Lemme guess - you're one of those perverts that tries to touch little boy's dicks, and now you're all offended...
We all know you're one of those perverts who succeeds (and enjoys) touching little boys' dicks, so I'm sure you're not offended.
Offal, maybe, (ok, no "maybe" about it) but not offended.

albrecht

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 25, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
When I was about 8, at a Boy's Club Camp in New Jersey, a camp councilor tried to touch my dick, and even at 8-years old I looked that fucking pervert right in his eye and I told him that if he ever came near me again I would steal a knife from the kitchen and stab him to death while he was sleeping, and he knew I meant every word of it. That mother fucking pervert fuckwit never even talked to me again after that.

Yeah, at 8, I actually said that to the fucking pervert.

Anyone gets fucking squirrely with me in a fox hole, will be dead. I don't give a fuck what you do with your sickening self but you invade my space and you will regret it.

The next civil war in America will not be shooting at illegals, it will be shooting at the people that think they are going to impose their will on Constitutionalists.
Geez. These days they teach that kind of stuff to children at school. And the leftists say that things like that are normal. I kid you not. They probably would let you both get married these days or at least protest for the "right" to do so. Groups like NAMBLA was a big influence on the homosexual rights movement and participated in the marches and first international organizations even. These leftists are really sick people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-appoints-homosexual-propogandist-to-education/

Quick Karl

Quote from: albrecht on July 26, 2014, 04:47:38 PM
Geez. These days they teach that kind of stuff to children at school. And the leftists say that things like that are normal. I kid you not. They probably would let you both get married these days or at least protest for the "right" to do so. Groups like NAMBLA was a big influence on the homosexual rights movement and participated in the marches and first international organizations even. These leftists are really sick people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-appoints-homosexual-propogandist-to-education/

The next thing that asswipes like nitwit and pig-fucker, and the lunatic left will be supporting, is sex with under-age children. Mark my words.

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 26, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
The next thing that asswipes like nitwit and pig-fucker, and the lunatic left will be supporting, is sex with under-age children.

I'm still curious why you gave Mr. Kiddie-twiddler a second chance, rather than cutting his fuckin heart out the first time around.

Also, you seem awfully judgmental for someone writing stroke material for pedophiles. 

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 26, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
The next thing that asswipes like nitwit and pig-fucker, and the lunatic left will be supporting, is sex with under-age children. Mark my words.
Yeah, yeah. Mark your words. Translation: Qunt Karl's most fervent desire is legalized pedophilia.
Sorry, Karlie. Not gonna happen. Looks like another trip to Thailand for "boycation". Hope they choke you, loser.

Quick Karl

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on July 26, 2014, 07:26:48 PM
I'm still curious why you gave Mr. Kiddie-twiddler a second chance, rather than cutting his fuckin heart out the first time around.

Because I was 8 and didn't know any better.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 26, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
Because I was 8 and didn't know any better.
well that and your parents abandoned you because they knew what a sociopathic shit pile you were even then.

pyewacket

Not to be rude or speak out of turn- but why do you folks bother? It's the same thing in most  threads about these scandals. The same people show up and derail the thread. If you don't like the source of the report you automatically dismiss the information as false? Personal attacks are not conducive to any meaningful discourse.

I'm curious about your age groups and if you've served in the military or have loved ones or friends who served. Do you have illegals in your communities? What forms your opinions- political loyalty, personal experiences, religion, culture?

I can see why this section is not moderated- it would be an endless, thankless task. There is no way to have a real conversation with the tone that dominates most political threads lately.

albrecht

Quote from: pyewacket on July 26, 2014, 08:29:47 PM
Not to be rude or speak out of turn- but why do you folks bother? It's the same thing in most  threads about these scandals. The same people show up and derail the thread. If you don't like the source of the report you automatically dismiss the information as false? Personal attacks are not conducive to any meaningful discourse.

I'm curious about your age groups and if you've served in the military or have loved ones or friends who served. Do you have illegals in your communities? What forms your opinions- political loyalty, personal experiences, religion, culture?

I can see why this section is not moderated- it would be an endless, thankless task. There is no way to have a real conversation with the tone that dominates most political threads lately.
What is interesting is personal attacks when the links are from the government and pro-Obama institutions such as the New York Times! For me, lots of experiences with illegals. Actually, in the past, most are good hardworking people. Often would return home. Or at least go home over major holidays.  Used to be a joke around Easter illegals would get caught. Shipped back. Spend time at home n come back to work in a week. Same with Christmas. Of course there were always problems (dui, etc) but not as much as now. Since now there are more women and children coming also. Not for work but for the give-aways and hoped "dreamer" status. And because Mexico is a corrupt hellhole, n worse in Guatamala, Honduras. So workers wont go home, even for visits but want to bring their brood here. Which is logical. But the open-border policy is also letting in outright criminals. Not folks to do "jobs Americans won't" (because we have enough home-grown serial killers and drug dealers and rapists.)

pyewacket

Quote from: albrecht on July 26, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
What is interesting is personal attacks when the links are from the government and pro-Obama institutions such as the New York Times! For me, lots of experiences with illegals. Actually, in the past, most are good hardworking people. Often would return home. Or at least go home over major holidays.  Used to be a joke around Easter illegals would get caught. Shipped back. Spend time at home n come back to work in a week. Same with Christmas. Of course there were always problems (dui, etc) but not as much as now. Since now there are more women and children coming also. Not for work but for the give-aways and hoped "dreamer" status. And because Mexico is a corrupt hellhole, n worse in Guatamala, Honduras. So workers wont go home, even for visits but want to bring their brood here. Which is logical. But the open-border policy is also letting in outright criminals. Not folks to do "jobs Americans won't" (because we have enough home-grown serial killers and drug dealers and rapists.)

I have family members who came to America LEGALLY. Friends, too- they are very upset about the pass being given to the illegals. They had to pay fees and fill out plenty of forms and pass muster before they were granted entry and they are here married to Americans and working as law abiding, tax paying Americans.

Years ago, a small city in our area had an influx of immigrants come to live and work. The company that lured them in would lay them off as soon as they were near qualified for benefits. As a result, most ended up on welfare. In time their numbers grew due to the lax residence requirements and the city never really recovered. It's not all due to the immigrants- there are plenty of home grown recipients as well. Sadly, more and more came for the easy handouts and the crime, drugs, poverty grew as well. The county suffered and it spread to the neighbouring county as well. Now those two counties are the poorest and have the highest unemployment in the entire state. I've seen what can happen to a community with an influx of people who take far more than they contribute- no matter where they come from originally.

The VA scandal is unacceptable. When people sign that paper to serve in harms way, they make a commitment. The country they served to protect should full fill its commitment to them. I've listened to some of the hearings and the bureaucracy needs to be held accountable. This isn't a partisan issue; it's a matter of trust and integrity.   

Quick Karl

Quote from: pyewacket on July 26, 2014, 09:25:35 PM
The VA scandal is unacceptable. When people sign that paper to serve in harms way, they make a commitment. The country they served to protect should full fill its commitment to them. I've listened to some of the hearings and the bureaucracy needs to be held accountable. This isn't a partisan issue; it's a matter of trust and integrity.

I wonder what the percentage of democrat voters vs. anything else voters are in the VA, or the IRS?

Do you believe that principled people with morals are the people responsible for what is going on in those two institutions?

albrecht

Quote from: pyewacket on July 26, 2014, 09:25:35 PM
The VA scandal is unacceptable. When people sign that paper to serve in harms way, they make a commitment. The country they served to protect should full fill its commitment to them. I've listened to some of the hearings and the bureaucracy needs to be held accountable. This isn't a partisan issue; it's a matter of trust and integrity.
It is more than unacceptable. I would say almost treasonous. It didnt start with Obama, I know. But now he is in charge and he knew (and talked about even in early campaigns) about the VA problems. Ignore if wars were good or justified. Secret waiting lists, kicking people out of military post combat service for behavior or alcohol/drug use post campaigns and often drugs prescribed for injuries physical&mental so VA doesnt need to cover, and crap like that is totally unacceptable and treasonous. ESPECIALLY as the administration brags (see my link I posted at top of thread) about how we give such awesome, comprehensive healthcare to illegals!!!

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