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Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #150 on: March 17, 2014, 05:47:34 AM »
On the Free Republic forum a popular theory is that a pilot took the plane to 45,000 feet, cabin pressure was lost, killing the passengers. Then he landed the plane someplace, maybe Iran. The bodies of the passengers have been disposed of a long the way and the plane will be used in another 911 style attack. There are a lot if variations, but this is the gist. A lot of them also think the Malaysian government is hiding something. But loss of cabin pressure figures in a lot of the theories. Some think it was along the lines if what happened to Payne Stewarts plane though that wasn't deliberate. But most people, including me, can't figure out why evidence of it hasn't been found, and when it is, then it turns out not to be. For example they find oil, then the oil turns out to be from something else.

I certainly agree that Art would have treated this story better than George is. Even Wells would have. After Steve Fawcett and numerous missing people, I don't want to hear from Dames and that crowd.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #151 on: March 17, 2014, 05:52:32 AM »
I'm sure Ed and his Remote Viewing Team already let the authorities know where the plane is.
I've heard Art say he's above reproach.

This was probably back in the nineties before Dames had embarrassing, high profile failures.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #152 on: March 17, 2014, 09:48:04 AM »
I think its pretty obvious the pilot downed the plane in an act of protest. Seems like the most logical explanation to me.


Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #153 on: March 17, 2014, 11:27:00 AM »
If I had to be nailed down to one theory, I`d guess there was a flight 93 scenario. The plane was hijacked, the crew acted, the plane went down, the plane is in the drink. The end.


Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #154 on: March 17, 2014, 11:52:34 AM »
I agree with your scenario, FtF... it seems the most likely based upon what we know.

Then again, to quote Donald Rumsfeld:  Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

Ah, what a wordsmith!

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #155 on: March 17, 2014, 11:59:41 AM »
I agree with your scenario, FtF... it seems to most likely based upon we know.

Then again, to quote Donald Rumsfeld:  Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

Ah, what a wordsmith!


Heh heh...Ol` Rummy. Yes, we don`t know what we don`t know. Genius!

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #156 on: March 17, 2014, 12:47:07 PM »
I think its pretty obvious the pilot downed the plane in an act of protest. Seems like the most logical explanation to me.
I disagree. An act of protest, by definition, must be done in public. There was no public announcement; no statement to the media left by the pilot. Further, the pilot's politics were relatively progressive viewed in the context of Malaysia's Moslem government and mass murder isn't a likely act of one strongly supporting expanded democracy in Malaysia.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #157 on: March 17, 2014, 12:49:17 PM »
Yeah, such a scenario seems pretty sketchy... low returns on the investment, so to speak.  We'd have received the pilot's "manifesto" right away.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #158 on: March 17, 2014, 12:54:59 PM »
I certainly agree that Art would have treated this story better than George is. Even Wells would have.
Oh jeez, I can only imagine the conspiro-loonies whom Wells would have put on.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #159 on: March 17, 2014, 01:28:33 PM »
Why does this thread contain no debunking of the Diego Garcia theory?

I am disappointed, and may well be asking for a refund.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #160 on: March 17, 2014, 02:11:39 PM »
Then again, to quote Donald Rumsfeld:  Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

Does Rumsfeld have a law degree?  You'd have to have some specialized training to invent some BS like this.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #161 on: March 17, 2014, 02:16:37 PM »
Does Rumsfeld have a law degree?  You'd have to have some specialized training to invent some BS like this.
He was just spouting a common cliche in the defense industry. I heard "We/they don't know what we/they don't know" and similar lines quite a lot in DOD and defense industry meetings. 

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #162 on: March 17, 2014, 02:16:38 PM »
Why does this thread contain no debunking of the Diego Garcia theory?

I am disappointed, and may well be asking for a refund.


I wasn't aware there was a DG theory. What does it entail?

Anyway...how's this for an entirely hypothetical punt:

Aircraft goes off course...all switched off to the outside world. Military ship out in the Indian Ocean equipped with all manner of surveillance picks up a trace that shouldn't be there. Notifies head office for clarification. Head office draws a blank and can't get in contact either, but does identify the contact as a possible threat to A N Other county's capital city. They determine it's possible range and it's flight path. The order goes out to shoot it down. It is shot down.

However it's a diplomatic nightmare. Everyone goes dumb on it and falls into the pretend search and rescue mode...


Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #163 on: March 17, 2014, 02:26:03 PM »

I wasn't aware there was a DG theory. What does it entail?

Anyway...how's this for an entirely hypothetical punt:

Aircraft goes off course...all switched off to the outside world. Military ship out in the Indian Ocean equipped with all manner of surveillance picks up a trace that shouldn't be there. Notifies head office for clarification. Head office draws a blank and can't get in contact either, but does identify the contact as a possible threat to A N Other county's capital city. They determine it's possible range and it's flight path. The order goes out to shoot it down. It is shot down.

However it's a diplomatic nightmare. Everyone goes dumb on it and falls into the pretend search and rescue mode...

The Russians floated a rumor that the US captured and diverted 370 to DG because of some secret cargo.  I put it at the same probability as Noory's portal theory.

BTW, your idea is not that far fetched at all; but if it were shot down there would be a lot of debris and the crash beacons would have at least sent a impact signal.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #164 on: March 17, 2014, 02:33:23 PM »
The Russians floated a rumor that the US captured and diverted 370 to DG because of some secret cargo.  I put it at the same probability as Noory's portal theory.

BTW, your idea is not that far fetched at all; but if it were shot down there would be a lot of debris and the crash beacons would have at least sent a impact signal.

Said the newspaper editor:  "I like it!  Run it!"

Actually, this seems as sensible as any other scenario....

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #165 on: March 17, 2014, 03:07:25 PM »
I think its pretty obvious the pilot downed the plane in an act of protest. Seems like the most logical explanation to me.
I don't really agree with the idea that it crashed but I watched three newscasts last week which mentioned that the plane rose above it's ceiling height and then dove very low more than once.  The scenario which plays out easiest is a struggle in-which the flight controls are whacked.  I can also imagine the plane dropping low to avoid military radars?  I tend to think that with the amount of time and interest wreckage would have been found on a sat image or floating about.  I think this plane will be used for future skulduggery.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #166 on: March 17, 2014, 03:08:32 PM »
The Russians floated a rumor that the US captured and diverted 370 to DG because of some secret cargo.  I put it at the same probability as Noory's portal theory.

BTW, your idea is not that far fetched at all; but if it were shot down there would be a lot of debris and the crash beacons would have at least sent a impact signal.

morbid george was just copying my theory. the one with : sasquatch/portals/angels/motherships/farrakhan.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #167 on: March 17, 2014, 03:35:30 PM »
Does Rumsfeld have a law degree?  You'd have to have some specialized training to invent some BS like this.
His bullshit is from a first year psychology and communication class.

It is a Johari window.


Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #168 on: March 17, 2014, 03:55:07 PM »
And wasn't he part of the "brain trust" of the neo-cons?  That's reassuring... I hope history is not kind to those assholes.


Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #169 on: March 17, 2014, 04:06:30 PM »
The Russians floated a rumor that the US captured and diverted 370 to DG because of some secret cargo.  I put it at the same probability as Noory's portal theory.

BTW, your idea is not that far fetched at all; but if it were shot down there would be a lot of debris and the crash beacons would have at least sent a impact signal.

This fits perfectly with my theory that we sent a SEAL team to rescue the Maersk Alabama because the Alabama was carrying some alien technology.

Oh and the Vatican may have been involved.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #170 on: March 17, 2014, 04:28:47 PM »
This fits perfectly with my theory that we sent a Seal team to rescue the Maersk Alabama because the Alabama was carrying some alien technology.

Oh and the Vatican may have been involved.
Well of course.  After all the Vatican is filled with Reptilian aliens who have been harvesting human taints for their taint roll up factory.  Everyone knows that.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #171 on: March 17, 2014, 05:09:27 PM »
Shadow rodents commandeered the flight and flew it through a portal to Switzerland.  Cheese, baby, cheese.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #172 on: March 17, 2014, 05:14:35 PM »
Well of course.  After all the Vatican is filled with Reptilian aliens who have been harvesting human taints for their taintco ass candy factory.  Everyone knows that.

there its fixed

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #173 on: March 17, 2014, 05:26:17 PM »
there its fixed
Hey man we just got that sponsor! Don't try and screw this up for us! We'll make TENS of dollars!

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #174 on: March 17, 2014, 05:52:27 PM »
The latest location info is based on time signals from the plane's ACARS system received by satellites.  I did a little digging. These systems are VHF (transmit @ 130MHz)  and were never intended for such measurement precision, so I'm not believing much of this stuff.  GPS, by comparison is at 1.5GHz; i.e., 10 times higher freg than ACARS, allowing for great precision.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #175 on: March 17, 2014, 06:02:48 PM »
The latest location info is based on time signals received by satellites.  These systems were never intended for such measurement precision, so I'm not believing much of this stuff.  They're following the first rule of crisis mgmt..."Fix the blame ASAP"...in this case on the dead pilot.  If the wreckage is indeed lost, the poor bastard will forever be identified as a mass murderer, mostly because he had MS Flight Simulator on his home PC.
What surprised me was that I read (somewhere I forget where) that I think India admitted that they don't always have their radar on due to costs. And the article said that is fairly common for several of the countries. Once you have bought the equipment I can't imagine it is that cost prohibitive from running. Especially if you have ongoing threats from Pakistan and China.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #176 on: March 17, 2014, 06:06:56 PM »
What surprised me was that I read (somewhere I forget where) that I think India admitted that they don't always have their radar for costs. And the article said that is fairly common for several of the countries. Once you have bought the equipment I can't imagine it is that cost prohibitive from running. Especially if you have ongoing threats from Pakistan and China.
Maintenance costs are high for large, high power radar systems used in ATC or air defense.  There are large power systems and cooling systems involved that need constant maintenance.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #177 on: March 17, 2014, 06:13:12 PM »
Maintenance costs are high for large, high power radar systems used in ATC or air defense.  There are large power systems and cooling systems involved that need constant maintenance.
Oh, thanks. But they can still buy planes and other very $$$ stuff from us (and others). You would think they would operate the radar and just buy one less F-44 and keep their radars working!
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/67462/sunil-dasgupta-and-stephen-p-cohen/arms-sales-for-india

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #178 on: March 17, 2014, 06:36:04 PM »
You would think they would operate the radar and just buy one less F-44 and keep their radars working!
Politicians often buy military systems with little regard for operating costs. It becomes SEP (someone else's problem).  It's one reason the US defense budget is astronomical.  Feels good to create defense jobs and give soldiers bennies...until it blows up the next budget.

Re: Crashed Malaysian Airlines Flight and Speculation
« Reply #179 on: March 17, 2014, 07:45:49 PM »
Somehow I doubt that the U.S. military "turns off" their radar at Diego Garcia, honestly.