School District approves Middle School X-Rated Sex Education Poster

[onan]

That isn't what I said. It's an intentional distortion of what I said. Why would you do that?

you said this:

No, just realize that sex education to a teenager is a freaking joke. I'm young enough to have gone through a sex ed class as part of high school. By the time I got to the class, I'd had sex with three women, carried condoms in my wallet and sat aghast at the ridiculousness of what was being taught.

That is a claim to authority.

You are wrong about the efficacy of sex education, and your suggestion that going green is due primarily to fear tactics is not the same thing, at least to me. But I do get your point. And if you believe that to be true, how does that make you feel about changing your behavior towards the environment?

[SciFiAuthor]

you said this:

That is a claim to authority.

It's a claim of authority through experience.

You are wrong about the efficacy of sex education, and your suggestion that going green is due primarily to fear tactics is not the same thing, at least to me. But I do get your point. And if you believe that to be true, how does that make you feel about changing your behavior towards the environment?

Teen pregnancy rates suck as a whole and are way worse than they were five decades ago. That makes me right, sorry. Here's the graph on genital herpes:

http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stats.htm

Again, clearly it grew worse. Sure, it's trending down, and that's the kind of thing we use to claim efficacy instead of the overall dramatic rise in the latter half of the 20th century. What we leave out is the fact that the disease exploded post-1966. It would be prudent to ask why that happened.

As far as fear, I think it's the same thing in effect; it's an attempt to initiate social change through a fear tactic. And, well, I'm perfectly fine with those drunk driving cars sitting in the school yards. There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing that.

I have a fairly small carbon footprint. I recycle and have for many years. I don't frivolously drive around, and when I do drive it's not in a gas guzzler. We grow and buy local vegetables and meat and other than a lot of flying I'm fairly inoffensive. That all dates from the 90's when I was concerned with Global Warming and saw disturbing things in the science. So, yeah, it worked at the time.

Then I noticed problems and the science was no longer predicting what was observed, issues with the Antarctic ice claims, models not working as they would need to in order to be valid in any other science, and the like. I started seeing groups like Greenpeace incomprehensibly opposing things like ITER, which would be a completely green saving grace in coming decades. It was at that point that I realized the environment was not at the heart of the green movement, rather it was something else. But that doesn't mean I'm giving up growing vegetables. It just means that the issue behind the scare tactic appears to not have been valid in the way it was sold.

But see, part of that environmental ideology Onan is overpopulation. Do you really think we can get away with unrestricted breeding forever? And when we start talking about that issue, just how do you think it will be handled? It will be handled with a fear tactic inserted into the schools and pop culture, just like drunk driving was. When the problem becomes sufficiently pressing, we seem to have no problem using fear tactics. Can you think of another way this will turn out? I'm all ears if you've got one. Otherwise, you too will at some point be ok with fear tactics used against reproduction.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

It's a claim of authority through experience.

Teen pregnancy rates suck as a whole and are way worse than they were five decades ago. That makes me right, sorry. H

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation#Examples_of_illogically_inferring_causation_from_correlation

There are some other factors going on here. For example, I could argue that teen pregnancy rates are a factor of immigration. Herpes are a factor of our high incarceration rates, etc. That both teen pregnancy and herpes rates would be higher without sexual education in schools.

That increases in both statistics are driven by the increase in population densities in the US.

[eeieeyeoh]

I don't really care if it's a valid term or not, that's one of the things I'm complaining about. Thusly I'll just go with the vernacular: it's fucking someone up the butt. It's interchangeable whether the taker is male or female. Hope that helps.

I didn't need any help using a formal dictionary appropriate in a Court of Law.

So Babel and the creation of it is your claim.

[SciFiAuthor]

I didn't need any help using a formal dictionary appropriate in a Court of Law.

So Babel and the creation of it is your claim.

I suppose that depends on if the tower of babel was a phallic symbol or not.

[onan]

It's a claim of authority through experience.

Teen pregnancy rates suck as a whole and are way worse than they were five decades ago. That makes me right, sorry. Here's the graph on genital herpes:

http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stats.htm

To look at one marker to make a decision on how well sex education is probably not the best approach. Considering that most STD's are trending downward should also be in the mix.

First, and believe me I don't want to give a biology class here, Herpes isn't that simple to talk about. There are two major viruses regarding Herpes Simples Virus... HSV1 abd HSV2. HSV2 has been the primary cause of genital herpes for hundreds of years. But that is changing. Now HSV1 is also in the mix. HSV1 is the culprit for cold sores.

Due to many misconceptions oral sex was and is seen as safer sex... and it isn't, it is still unprotected.

chlamydia
15- to 19-Year-Old Womenâ€"In 2012, the rate among women aged 15â€"19 years was 3,291.5 cases per 100,000 females, a 5.6% decrease from the 2011 rate of 3,485.2 cases per 100,000 females (Figure 5, Table 10). This is the first time that chlamydia rates among 15â€"19 year old females have decreased since 2000.

15- to 19-Year-Old Menâ€"Chlamydia rates for men aged 15â€"19 years decreased 5.1% from 816.3 cases per 100,000 males in 2011 to 774.8 cases per 100,000 males in 2012 (Figure 5, Table 10). This is the first time that chlamydia rates among 15â€"19 year old males have decreased.

Gonorrhea

15- to 19-Year-Old Womenâ€"In 2012, women aged 15â€"19 years had the second highest rate of gonorrhea (521.2 cases per 100,000 females) compared with any other age or sex group (Figure 16, Table 21). During 2011â€"2012, the gonorrhea rate for women in this age group decreased 8.2%.

15- to 19-Year-Old Menâ€"In 2012, the gonorrhea rate among men aged 15â€"19 years was 239.0 cases per 100,000 males (Figure 16, Table 21). During 2011â€" 2012, the gonorrhea rate for men in this age group decreased 5.4%.

Primary and Secondary Syphilis
Syphilis rates among women aged 15â€"19 years increased annually during 2004â€"2009, from 1.5 cases per 100,000 females to 3.3 cases in 2009, but decreased from 2.9 cases in 2010 to 2.3 cases in 2012.

Rates among men aged 15â€"19 years are much lower than the rates among men in older age groups (Figures 35 and 37, Table 35). Rates in this group increased during 2002â€"2009 (from 1.3 cases per 100,000 males to 6.0 cases in 2009), decreased to 5.5 cases in 2010 and 2011, and increased to 5.8 cases in 2012.

There is much more data than that and it is all complex and not easily translated to a one size fits all for easy understanding.

[SciFiAuthor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation#Examples_of_illogically_inferring_causation_from_correlation

There are some other factors going on here. For example, I could argue that teen pregnancy rates are a factor of immigration. Herpes are a factor of our high incarceration rates, etc. That both teen pregnancy and herpes rates would be higher without sexual education in schools.

That increases in both statistics are driven by the increase in population densities in the US.

There probably are other factors. But I doubt it could be put down to immigration, incarceration rates or any other factor as successfully as it could increased promiscuity due to a cultural change. They probably are minor constituents, but a quick google of countries that have seen relatively little in the way of immigration and population growth over the same period show the same rises, sometimes quite dramatically in places such as Greenland. I don't think anybody discounts the dynamics and rate changes in the disease are disproportionate to population density rises in the US. If that were the case there would be no "spread" of a disease, nor a transition to an epidemic, it would simply be a proportionally static infection rate relegating the herp to the same status as an off-season cold or flu.

Unwed pregnancy rates are even worse. The most dramatic rises were 2002-2007, a period where Sex-Ed was in full swing using modern methodology. So where's the success story?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-05-13-unmarriedbirths_N.htm

[SciFiAuthor]

To look at one marker to make a decision on how well sex education is probably not the best approach. Considering that most STD's are trending downward should also be in the mix.

First, and believe me I don't want to give a biology class here, Herpes isn't that simple to talk about. There are two major viruses regarding Herpes Simples Virus... HSV1 abd HSV2. HSV2 has been the primary cause of genital herpes for hundreds of years. But that is changing. Now HSV1 is also in the mix. HSV1 is the culprit for cold sores.

Due to many misconceptions oral sex was and is seen as safer sex... and it isn't, it is still unprotected.


There is much more data than that and it is all complex and not easily translated to a one size fits all for easy understanding.

I don't know if that has any huge bearing on dramatic rises in infection rates. I'd be skeptical that the disease's complexity can cover the rises over that of increased promiscuity post-1965. And it's not just the herp, take most other modern STDs and they show the same explosive trends at about the same time. In the end, we like to hide in the recent downturns and claim successes, but the overall rates are much higher for everything. I propose we honestly ask why that is, rather than dance around the sacred cow of sexual liberation.

Excluding AIDS of course, due to it's more recent emergence and initial skewing towards homosexuals and blood transfusion infections.

And, like I said, a social trend is coming against overpopulation and you'll hear a whole lot more people from far more leftwing quarters saying exactly the same things I am. There is no choice that I can see, if one accepts Malthusian principals. Since the environmental movement is entirely based on Malthusian thinking, get ready for it. And just watch, you'll get a whole new magic set of statistics to back it up when it comes.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

They probably are minor constituents, but a quick google of countries that have seen relatively little in the way of immigration and population growth over the same period show the same rises, sometimes quite dramatically in places such as Greenland.

Thank you, that is interesting. In general, infant mortality rates and immigration are causes of increased teen pregnancy. Places like Dubai-with large influxes of immigrant workers-have very tight government controls to prevent immigration from people other than the worker.
To toss another anecdote out there, if we look at Japan:
Japan
Immigration Rate: low
Population Growth: low
Incarceration Rates: low
Sex Education in Schools: none
Teen Pregnancy Rate: low
STD Rates: reported as low

If we look at "other factor as successfully as it could increased promiscuity due to a cultural change." That seems to be important here as how much has Japanese culture changed? Obviously a big change post WW2, and another large change with the increase of the number of women in the work force.
I imagine the porn produced per person in Japan might be similar to that of the US.

[Birdie]

Thank you, that is interesting. In general, infant mortality rates and immigration are causes of increased teen pregnancy. Places like Dubai-with large influxes of immigrant workers-have very tight government controls to prevent immigration from people other than the worker.
To toss another anecdote out there, if we look at Japan:
Japan
Immigration Rate: low
Population Growth: low
Incarceration Rates: low
Sex Education in Schools: none
Teen Pregnancy Rate: low
STD Rates: reported as low

If we look at "other factor as successfully as it could increased promiscuity due to a cultural change." That seems to be important here as how much has Japanese culture changed? Obviously a big change post WW2, and another large change with the increase of the number of women in the work force.
I imagine the porn produced per person in Japan might be similar to that of the US.

I read a very interesting article about gender in Japan about a year ago. The article was centered around a trend of young women going out alone to trendy restaurants and ordering raw meat (kind of like carpaccio or beef sushi).
It claimed that the young Japanese women are frustrated with the young men because they are not adhering to traditional male roles. The men are becoming too feminine, too concerned with fashion, and staying dependent on their families instead of moving out, getting a job and supporting themselves. Plus, it was said that the females did not like the young men spending way too much time with male friends and online games/interests instead of chasing girls, like young men usually do.
Apparently, the dating scene has been turned on it's head, with the ladies having to ask the men out, make the first moves, etc.
I don't know how much of this is true and I wish I would have bookmarked the article, espicially because I can't remember where I saw it. It made me wonder if there is some sort of hormone disruption going on (from pollution or other sources) or if it was just a feminism fad. Either way, the article was fascinating. If it is accurate, maybe that can account for the lower birth rates/STD transmission, etc. sited above.

[SciFiAuthor]

Thank you, that is interesting. In general, infant mortality rates and immigration are causes of increased teen pregnancy. Places like Dubai-with large influxes of immigrant workers-have very tight government controls to prevent immigration from people other than the worker.
To toss another anecdote out there, if we look at Japan:
Japan
Immigration Rate: low
Population Growth: low
Incarceration Rates: low
Sex Education in Schools: none
Teen Pregnancy Rate: low
STD Rates: reported as low

If we look at "other factor as successfully as it could increased promiscuity due to a cultural change." That seems to be important here as how much has Japanese culture changed? Obviously a big change post WW2, and another large change with the increase of the number of women in the work force.
I imagine the porn produced per person in Japan might be similar to that of the US.

There's a unique cultural issue going on in Japan:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

I guess when 45 percent of women aged 16-24 say they have no interest in sex, and 75 percent of men report that they are interested in sex, the end result is a whole lot of porn watching.

Why they've gone in that direction, I haven't a clue other than to say it's probably cultural rather than physical. Of course here we can't say that promiscuity is cultural, that's apparently a taboo that we're not supposed to associate any social problems with.

[eeieeyeoh]

I suppose that depends on if the tower of babel was a phallic symbol or not.

Please look it up in the dictionary. Babel is not related to phallic. It has to do w/the division of people going in different ways ending the Hanging Gardens trying to build a staircase to "heaven". Destroying the Egyptian culture was the next step to eliminate competition easily accomplished by destroying their library in Alexandria (in my opinion). Then it seems Greece and Rome were built and failed from same flawed greed w/o responsibility, and BC turning into AD followed w/2 new religions created to really baffle and enslave other humans all under the rule of 1 very well hidden leader.

Would you like an example of questions the Pope would never answer or answer w/o dogma added (inverse of honesty)?

[SciFiAuthor]

Please look it up in the dictionary. Babel is not related to phallic. It has to do w/the division of people going in different ways ending the Hanging Gardens trying to build a staircase to "heaven". Destroying the Egyptian culture was the next step to eliminate competition easily accomplished by destroying their library in Alexandria (in my opinion). Then it seems Greece and Rome were built and failed from same flawed greed w/o responsibility, and BC turning into AD followed w/2 new religions created to really baffle and enslave other humans all under the rule of 1 very well hidden leader.

Would you like an example of questions the Pope would never answer or answer w/o dogma added (inverse of honesty)?

Considering that the library of Alexandria was founded by Greek conquerors rather than ancient Egyptians, I'd say you're barking up the wrong tree. But I honestly can't decipher just where you're going, are you wanting my opinion on a conspiracy theory within religion? I will admit ahead of time that I know very little about it, and religion is really not my forte.

[eeieeyeoh]

Considering that the library of Alexandria was founded by Greek conquerors rather than ancient Egyptians, I'd say you're barking up the wrong tree. But I honestly can't decipher just where you're going, are you wanting my opinion on a conspiracy theory within religion? I will admit ahead of time that I know very little about it, and religion is really not my forte.

Just try to explain why history was erased regarding the investigation of who burned down the library of Alexandria and destroyed the documents. As has been said before, the victor defines history. 9/11/01 defined the victor.

[SciFiAuthor]

Just try to explain why history was erased regarding the investigation of who burned down the library of Alexandria and destroyed the documents. As has been said before, the victor defines history. 9/11/01 defined the victor.

I think history was erased all the time back in those days for no other reason than someone didn't bother to copy an old manuscript and it rotted away during the dark ages. Just because history disappears for lack of a conscientious effort to preserve it doesn't automatically imply that there was a conspiracy. It simply implies that someone neglected to copy it down over and over through the ages.

And if there were some conspiracy to do this, it's implied by conspiracy theorists to still be active. Thus things like this would be hidden and suppressed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_of_the_Papyri

They apparently haven't been.

But I don't see any indication that there's any magical hidden knowledge to be gained from the ancient world that we don't already know. Maybe we'll regain the works of some philosopher or another, but I think the conspiracy theorists will be disappointed. You'd think the last thing a conspiracy to control humanity would want is knowledge of Democratic government to make it to us. You'd think Athenian Democracy and Roman Republicanism would be the most secretive knowledge out there if your aim is to control people. Yet, that knowledge was preserved the whole time and no one has tried to hide it.