Stunning - 92 MILLION Americans NOT Working

[Quick Karl]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/25/blue_state_red_face_guess_who_benefits_more_from_your_taxes.html

The results will stun many people, though not me: I’ve been telling my Tea Party relatives this for years. Here’s a list of the top 10 states that got the most back in terms of federal benefits, followed by the bottom 10.

To save space below, “pension benefits” include both Medicare and Social Security; “anti-poverty aid” includes Head Start, Low Income Home Energy Assistance, Food Stamp and nutrition programs for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), and several school-lunch-style benefits.

Top Ten (Source: Tax Foundation):

1.        New Mexico           Indian reservations, military bases, federal research labs, farm subsidies, retirement programs

2.        Mississippi              Farm subsidies, military spending, nutrition and anti-poverty aid, retirement programs.

3.        Alaska                     Per capita No 1 recipient of federal benefits; infrastructure projects, DOT and pork projects.

4.        Louisiana                 Disaster relief, farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, military spending.           

5.        W. Virginia              Farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid.

6.        N. Dakota               Farm subsidies, energy subsidies, retirement and anti-poverty programs, Indian reservations.

7.        Alabama                 Retirement programs, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, federal space/military spending, farm subsidies.

8.        S. Dakota                Retirement programs, nutrition aid, farm subsidies, military spending, Indian reservations.

9.        Virginia                   Civil service pensions, military spending, veterans benefits, retirement, anti-poverty aid.

10.     Kentucky                  Retirement programs, nutritional and anti-poverty aid, farm subsidies.


Now consider the bottom 10, i.e., the ones that give more to the federal government in taxes than they get in return. From 1 to 10, they are:

New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, Colorado.



There are only two ways to parse that result: one is ignoranceâ€"which we should be willing to forgive in anyone as long as they revise their views when faced with reality.

And the second? Selfish hypocrisy. How else can you explain the fact that the denizens of the most welfare dependent states in the countryâ€"dare we say, those who enjoy the most benefits from socialismâ€"profess to abhor welfare?

Per-capita or total?

Hate to do it but, all the facts are needed to substantiate a claim...

Also, when you say "Federal Benefits" do you mean total Tax Dollars or total Welfare Dollars? States with LARGE Military reservations get LARGE Federal Dollars...

If I live in a state with 20-people in it and my state produces OIL and my State PAYS HUGE TAXES, well, per-capita, some would claim my State gets LARGE Tax Dollars back.

There is LOTS more to the argument. I will see if I can uncover the data, but I wager there are FAR MORE "Liberal" voters receiving Tax Payer Funded Supplemental Income in the form of Welfare, Food Stamps, and CASH, than Constitutionalist voters.

[onan]

There's a guy who posts on this very site who engages in this vile practice.  I think you know him.

I should have been clearer. I didn't write those words. They came from the link posted.

It is saddening and maddening that there is so much vitriol for those that think different, live different and have different opportunities and different skill sets. That kind of goes both ways.

I understand working hard and with little to no explanation having some of it taken away. Sometimes I think that is small minded, other times I think some have a surfeit of struggle over finances... those that they have worked hard for.

It's complicated.

[Quick Karl]

A big chunk of that goes to huge profitable corporate farms.

It amazes me how detailed Libs get when it suits them, and how uninterested in the details they are when it doesn't.

You can say THAT again!

[onan]

Per-capita or total?

Hate to do it but, all the facts are needed to substantiate a claim...

Also, when you say "Federal Benefits" do you mean total Tax Dollars or total Welfare Dollars? States with LARGE Military reservations get LARGE Federal Dollars...

If I live in a state with 20-people in it and my state produces OIL and my State PAYS HUGE TAXES, well, per-capita, some would claim my State gets LARGE Tax Dollars back.

There is LOTS more to the argument. I will see if I can uncover the data, but I wager there are FAR MORE "Liberal" voters receiving Tax Payer Funded Supplemental Income in the form of Welfare, Food Stamps, and CASH, than Constitutionalist voters.

if you read the link... it explained it.

[Quick Karl]

http://statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Welfare Statistics   
Total number of Americans on welfare 12,800,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps 46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance 5,600,000
Percent of the US population on welfare 4.1 %

Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment) $131.9 billion

Welfare Demographics   
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %

Welfare Statistics 
Total amount of money you can make monthly and still receive Welfare $1000
Total Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than an $8 per hour job 39
Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than a $12 [/b ]per hour job 6
Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than the average salary of a U.S. Teacher 8

Average Time on AFCD (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) 
Time on AFDC  Percent of Recipients 
Less than 7 months 19%
7 to 12 months 15.2%
1 to 2 years 19.3%
2 to 5 years 26.9%
Over 5 years 19.6%

Top 10 Hourly Wage Equivalent Welfare States in U.S. 
State Hourly Wage Equivalent 
Hawaii $17.50
Alaska $15.48
Massachusetts $14.66
Connecticut $14.23
Washington, D.C. $13.99
New York $13.13
New Jersey $12.55
Rhode Island $12.55
California $11.59
Virginia $11.11

Some of this surely explains the disparities in Onan's chart.

Of the 4.1% of people collecting Welfare, 38.8% are White, and 61.2% are non-white. 72% of the American population was white in 2010. If you distil the numbers down the skew is clearly, off the charts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

Race / Ethnicity

Percentage of U.S. population

Americans 308,745,538 100.0 %
White 223,553,265 72.4 %
African American 38,929,319 12.6 %
Asian American 14,674,252 4.8 %
American Indian or Alaska Native 2,932,248 0.9 %
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 540,013 0.2 %
Some other race 19,107,368 6.2 %
Two or more races 9,009,073 2.9 %

Now this is NOT about Race, though a few assholes here will try to MAKE it about race, it IS about who do you think these folks are Voting for?

[wr250]

I understand working hard and with little to no explanation having some of it taken away. Sometimes I think that is small minded, other times I think some have a surfeit of struggle over finances... those that they have worked hard for.

when you live somewhere that takes 60% (all visible taxes, on all levels of govt down to the local/city does not include hidden taxes like business taxes that are paid for by consumers via price increases) of my paycheck each week, it makes it real hard to stay there when the politicains cry "we need more money" . so i moved to where him at , where they were taking about 45% (gee a 15% raise) in assorted taxes on all levels. policiticians here dont cry "we need more money" because most of the citys/towns/counties/state have surpluses. thats  how we kept out nat'l parks open when obama and his some 536 cronies closed them.

[onan]

First off, it really isn't my chart. But it does show some information that is compelling. And no it isn't all that disingenuous.

I find it troublesome that on one hand there is a bunch of talk about how bad the economy is, yet everyone has the potential of getting a ~ 25k/yr job just starting out. Yet the unemployment rate is well over... what 15%?

Is the premise of this thread that 92 million Americans don't want to work because 1000 dollars a month is such a comfortable place to be?

If that is the premise, don't waste your breath trying to get me to understand.

[onan]

A big chunk of that goes to huge profitable corporate farms.

It amazes me how detailed Libs get when it suits them, and how uninterested in the details they are when it doesn't.

Why is any subsidization going to a profitable anything?

[onan]

when you live somewhere that takes 60% (all visible taxes, on all levels of govt down to the local/city does not include hidden taxes like business taxes that are paid for by consumers via price increases) of my paycheck each week, it makes it real hard to stay there when the politicains cry "we need more money" . so i moved to where him at , where they were taking about 45% (gee a 15% raise) in assorted taxes on all levels. policiticians here dont cry "we need more money" because most of the citys/towns/counties/state have surpluses. thats  how we kept out nat'l parks open when obama and his some 536 cronies closed them.

I have a pretty good income. I live in a fairly nice area. And I don't pay anywhere near 60% of my total income on taxes.

[Quick Karl]

Why is any subsidization going to a profitable anything?

$0.70 of every Welfare Dollar in the United States goes to bureaucracy, that should frighten even you, Onan (no offense) - why should we subsidize any inefficient organization that makes its living off of Welfare?

[onan]

$0.70 of every Welfare Dollar in the United States goes to bureaucracy, that should frighten even you, Onan (no offense) - why should we subsidize any inefficient organization that makes its living off of Welfare?

I don't believe that to be true. I know medicaid and medicare have operating costs of roughly 3% of the total dollar expenditure.

[Quick Karl]

I don't believe that to be true. I know medicaid and medicare have operating costs of roughly 3% of the total dollar expenditure.

I'll see what I can dig up!

[wr250]

I have a pretty good income. I live in a fairly nice area. And I don't pay anywhere near 60% of my total income on taxes.

breaking it down a bit 25% (on average, i was commissioned so if i had a good week that could be higher, lower if a bad week) were skimmed directly from my paycheck ie income taxes, fica taxes(ss and medicaid/are etc) unemployment tax. then there was a 9.75% county/state sales tax ( and they were wanting to raise it when i left) , ~$.040 per gallon fuel taxes(not including the 9.75% sales tax), property taxes, an so on. no tax on food though, one bright spot there.
and your right . i dont need to buy fuel or pay a sales tax. but its nice to be able to get to a job and be clothed (for example) before i got there.

[Quick Karl]

breaking it down a bit 25% (on average, i was commissioned so if i had a good week that could be higher, lower if a bad week) were skimmed directly from my paycheck ie income taxes, fica taxes(ss and medicaid/are etc) unemployment tax. then there was a 9.75% county/state sales tax ( and they were wanting to raise it when i left) , ~$.040 per gallon fuel taxes(not including the 9.75% sales tax), property taxes, an so on. no tax on food though, one bright spot there.
and your right . i dont need to buy fuel or pay a sales tax. but its nice to be able to get to a job and be clothed (for example) before i got there.

I'm sorry but, in my humble opinion, anyone that does not believe that taxes (presuming a person is in an income bracket wherein they are ACTUALLY PAYING taxes) are absurdly too high, cannot possibly be sincere.

When the screaming hysterics crowd starts demanding that THIER politicians and Big business CEO's start paying one flat rate for everyone, instead of attacking people they don't like because they disagree with their religion-of-socialism, it truly would be a miracle.

The max rate should be somewhere between 13% to 17% with NO Deductions. If you make $9,000 you pay - if you make $900,000,000 you pay.

[onan]

breaking it down a bit 25% (on average, i was commissioned so if i had a good week that could be higher, lower if a bad week) were skimmed directly from my paycheck ie income taxes, fica taxes(ss and medicaid/are etc) unemployment tax. then there was a 9.75% county/state sales tax ( and they were wanting to raise it when i left) , ~$.040 per gallon fuel taxes(not including the 9.75% sales tax), property taxes, an so on. no tax on food though, one bright spot there.
and your right . i dont need to buy fuel or pay a sales tax. but its nice to be able to get to a job and be clothed (for example) before i got there.

I get the 25 to 30 percent stuff, fed, state, ssi, and unemp. For me it is about 29%. the gas, depending on how much you drive is a pain in the ass but it isn't a chunk like payroll taxes. sales tax, is a hit. but for me, total taxes, come in at about 36% total. and yeah that is a big piece of money... no one said living in the US is cheap. It is cheaper than other western nations. Yeah I hate politicians too, I just hate anarchy a bit more.

[Quick Karl]

I get the 25 to 30 percent stuff, fed, state, ssi, and unemp. For me it is about 29%. the gas, depending on how much you drive is a pain in the ass but it isn't a chunk like payroll taxes. sales tax, is a hit. but for me, total taxes, come in at about 36% total. and yeah that is a big piece of money... no one said living in the US is cheap. It is cheaper than other western nations. Yeah I hate politicians too, I just hate anarchy a bit more.

Fuel tax for truckers IS more than a pain in the ass!

[PB the Deplorable]

We've become a nation of takers.

I think it starts at the top with the politicians and fatcat corporations and when people oer the years see the corruption paying off instead of being ended and punished say 'what the hell' and try to get theirs.

When tax rates are unfair and support the rip-off government and the rest of the takers, people are going to cheat on their taxes.  They are going to sign up for whatever benefits they can get.


'Disability' has become a huge racket.  It's not even on the radar of those trying to stem the tide of corruption and fraud.  People are out to score anything they can get, right down to BS handicapped parking plates.


All this is ignored by the Republicans, and encouraged by the Democrats.  And all they can think of are ways to screw us over and to generate more taxes - the recipients of fraudulent money vote too, so no one wants to cut off the gravy train for them if it might cost someone a vote.

[onan]

Fuel tax for truckers IS more than a pain in the ass!

Everything for truckers is a pain in the ass... from costs of repairs, insurance, to idiotic drivers. But I get your point. Isn't there a write off on taxes for the fuel tax?

[PB the Deplorable]

Why is any subsidization going to a profitable anything?

No kidding

... Is the premise of this thread that 92 million Americans don't want to work because 1000 dollars a month is such a comfortable place to be?

If that is the premise, don't waste your breath trying to get me to understand.

When you add up food stamps, AFDC, Sec 8 housing, WIC, Medicaid, all the other programs, and welfare itself, it's more than $1000/mo.  Especially if several individuals are living together, each of them drawing that.  There are plenty of people happy to laze their life away, or who are trapped and can't get a job because they will lose too much in benefits.

They'll even make comments about how they wish they had jobs or whatever, although they don't actually take mre than half-hearted steps towards that goal. 

There will always be people willing to take the easy way out - especially if they are told repeatedly throughout their life that the deck is stacked against them and they have no chance in 'racist America' by people who want to keep them dependent for their votes.

But no, it's not 90 million people, not even close.


That's a separate issue.

Whether people want to believe it or not, we have a President whose policies destroy jobs.  A person whose worldview makes it impossible for him to even understand what the right steps to improving the economy would be if he were interested, which he isn't.

Because of that, there are not enough jobs to go around right now.

[Quick Karl]

I think it starts at the top with the politicians and fatcat corporations and when people oer the years see the corruption paying off instead of being ended and punished say 'what the hell' and try to get theirs.

EXACTLY.

The role models today are ASSHOLES and Jerry Springer scumbags.

Plus you are an evil white racists if you dare critique ANY religion-of-socialism dogma, or call a parasite out for scamming the system, regardless of their race, creed, national origin, political lockstep, or sexual choice.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Hate to do it but, all the facts are needed to substantiate a claim...

NEVER feel a need to apologize for wanting all the facts. 

I wouldn't have expected this from you Earl.  Perhaps I've been wrong about you all this time.  Maybe -- just maybe -- you're a fake hillbilly retard, doing it for profit and amusement just like Phil Robertson and his clan of phony-baloneys. 

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Fuel tax for truckers IS more than a pain in the ass!

A pain in the gas, then?

[Quick Karl]

Nitwit in his new person just cant get enough - you've been on ignore for 3-days now. Go fuck yourself.

[UnscreenedCaller]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/25/blue_state_red_face_guess_who_benefits_more_from_your_taxes.html

The results will stun many people, though not me: I’ve been telling my Tea Party relatives this for years. Here’s a list of the top 10 states that got the most back in terms of federal benefits, followed by the bottom 10.

To save space below, “pension benefits” include both Medicare and Social Security; “anti-poverty aid” includes Head Start, Low Income Home Energy Assistance, Food Stamp and nutrition programs for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), and several school-lunch-style benefits.

Top Ten (Source: Tax Foundation):

1.        New Mexico           Indian reservations, military bases, federal research labs, farm subsidies, retirement programs

2.        Mississippi              Farm subsidies, military spending, nutrition and anti-poverty aid, retirement programs.

3.        Alaska                     Per capita No 1 recipient of federal benefits; infrastructure projects, DOT and pork projects.

4.        Louisiana                 Disaster relief, farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, military spending.           

5.        W. Virginia              Farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid.

6.        N. Dakota               Farm subsidies, energy subsidies, retirement and anti-poverty programs, Indian reservations.

7.        Alabama                 Retirement programs, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, federal space/military spending, farm subsidies.

8.        S. Dakota                Retirement programs, nutrition aid, farm subsidies, military spending, Indian reservations.

9.        Virginia                   Civil service pensions, military spending, veterans benefits, retirement, anti-poverty aid.

10.     Kentucky                  Retirement programs, nutritional and anti-poverty aid, farm subsidies.


Now consider the bottom 10, i.e., the ones that give more to the federal government in taxes than they get in return. From 1 to 10, they are:

New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, Colorado.



There are only two ways to parse that result: one is ignoranceâ€"which we should be willing to forgive in anyone as long as they revise their views when faced with reality.

And the second? Selfish hypocrisy. How else can you explain the fact that the denizens of the most welfare dependent states in the countryâ€"dare we say, those who enjoy the most benefits from socialismâ€"profess to abhor welfare?

Thank you for reiterating that. It can't be said enough. And yet, when the hurricane Sandy hit, don't you know that legislators from states that received emergency relief in the past and after Sandy wanted to deny relief to NY because we're blue? My son knows of two men, both in their 60's or 70's who are living in their cars, a year after Sandy, because they lost their homes and the money hasn't come through yet. And that's just two people that he knows of.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Nitwit in his new person just cant get enough - you've been on ignore for 3-days now. Go fuck yourself.

I assume you're talking about me.  If I've been on ignore for three days, how is it that you're able to reply to my posts, quoting what I wrote?

There seems to be an additional dimension or two on Planet Hogshagger.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

wanted to deny relief to NY because we're blue?

And they say it's not easy being green.  If they only knew.

[NowhereInTime]

Nitwit in his new person just cant get enough - you've been on ignore for 3-days now. Go fuck yourself.

Karl.  I am heartbroken, just devastated to think you would confuse me for someone else.
We have something special together.  Something joyous, wonderous, almost pure...
And you would do this to me.
At least you continue to proove your ignorance to our fellow viewers. I hardly need show up anymore because you clownshoes yourself everytime you hit the keyboard.
How's your civil war coming?  I imagine you've "restored the Constitution" a thousand times in your puerile mind by now.
Enjoy your next boy-cation to Thailand!

[Yorkshire pud]

Karl.  I am heartbroken, just devastated to think you would confuse me for someone else.
We have something special together.  Something joyous, wonderous, almost pure...
And you would do this to me.
At least you continue to proove your ignorance to our fellow viewers. I hardly need show up anymore because you clownshoes yourself everytime you hit the keyboard.
How's your civil war coming?  I imagine you've "restored the Constitution" a thousand times in your puerile mind by now.
Enjoy your next boy-cation to Thailand!

How do you think I feel you selfish bitch?!!! Up until a week ago I was in a dirty filthy but ultimatley fulfilling sexual relationship with you, Ben and whoever else had caused his ire; now I have a girlfriend apparently. There was no mention of bi-sexuality so I don't know what my orientation is.

The civil war is coming along nicely; all he has to do now is convince the other side he's the good guy. (Tap side of nose smiley)


How he's going to be perceived in a civil war:[attach=2]



And in his mind what he thinks he is.

[Quick Karl]

[Quick Karl]

How do you think I feel you selfish bitch?!!! Up until a week ago I was in a dirty filthy but ultimatley fulfilling sexual relationship with you, Ben and whoever else had caused his ire; now I have a girlfriend apparently. There was no mention of bi-sexuality so I don't know what my orientation is.

The civil war is coming along nicely; all he has to do now is convince the other side he's the good guy. (Tap side of nose smiley)

How he's going to be perceived in a civil war:[attach=2]

Yorkie, you act so much like a real Yorkshire Terrier - all bark, a fagity hair doo, and such a small little nothing that someone would kill you if they stepped on you.