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Re: Documentaries
« Reply #90 on: May 20, 2014, 03:00:40 AM »
Anyone who has not watched this 9/11 video should do so.  It's not a truther video, it's just what went on from the firefighter's perspective. 

9/11 - inside north tower

Where are the videos from the firefighters at The Pentagon? lol, lol, 1000x lol.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2014, 09:05:24 AM »
If there were two brothers filming a rookie firefighter in the area, maybe there would have been.  But I think it's pretty unlikely that anyone would bother filming firefighters in that area.    It's a good documentary.   On the surface, there are many things that point to conspiracy around 9/11.   But the more I watch about videos about it, especially ones that have raw footage, the more I believe it is not a conspiracy. 

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2014, 09:12:10 AM »
If there were two brothers filming a rookie firefighter in the area, maybe there would have been.  But I think it's pretty unlikely that anyone would bother filming firefighters in that area.    It's a good documentary.   On the surface, there are many things that point to conspiracy around 9/11.   But the more I watch about videos about it, especially ones that have raw footage, the more I believe it is not a conspiracy.
It clearly was a conspiracy. Even the government official theory says it was. The only issue was it a conspiracy between those hijackers only or did it involved other countries/people or even those in our country.


Re: Documentaries
« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2014, 02:09:17 PM »
But I think it's pretty unlikely that anyone would bother filming firefighters in that area.


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I believe it is not a conspiracy.
How much do they pay you?  ::)



Re: Documentaries
« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2014, 02:33:46 PM »
How much do they pay you?  ::)

I'm not quite following.   Because they caught Rumsfeld walking by the scene?


Not much survives.


Plane path takes out light poles as seen by people other than pentagon employees


There was some plane wreckage.   You might say that wasn't enough, but where were all the plane parts in NY?   Look at photo #1 above again.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2014, 02:49:46 PM »
Because they caught Rumsfeld walking by the scene?

Rumsfeld could not be located during the early minutes of the event. Some air defense protocol required Rumsfeld to be contacted in order for some interception order to be valid; they couldn't get Rumsfeld on the phone. Rumsfeld claimed that he didn't remember where he was when they were trying to get him on the phone.

Later, pictures surfaced of Rumsfeld scurrying around the Pentagon's lawn, like an eager Cub Scout trying to help the adults light the morning campfire. By his own stated admission, he didn't remember being there.

There are a limited number of explanations that fit these known, evidenced facts. Also: there are more facts.


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there was some plane wreckage.

Cruise missles have wings. Passenger planes have luggage.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2014, 03:37:15 PM »


.. Passenger planes have luggage.

The luggage was most likely incinerated.


Re: Documentaries
« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2014, 04:10:45 PM »
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2945784/

I thought this was interesting.  The theory seems solid and grounded in actual ballistic evidence.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2014, 04:13:00 PM »
I actually haven't seen that one yet, thanks! My mother loves this shit.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2014, 08:38:19 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/26/us/new-york-9-11-plane-part/

??   You don't deny that two planes actually hit the towers do you?    Watch that documentary I posted.  These guys hardly found ANY bodies, and there were thousands of people in those towers.   One guy said the only office part he found was a small chunk of the dialpad of a phone, and you know there were desks, phones and plenty of other office equipment.    I don't think any of these firefighters had anything to do with any conspiracies.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2014, 09:14:30 PM »
??   You don't deny that two planes actually hit the towers do you?    Watch that documentary I posted.  These guys hardly found ANY bodies, and there were thousands of people in those towers.   One guy said the only office part he found was a small chunk of the dialpad of a phone, and you know there were desks, phones and plenty of other office equipment.    I don't think any of these firefighters had anything to do with any conspiracies.

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In the years since, a number of pieces of debris as well as human remains have been discovered in Lower Manhattan.
Even the Daily Fail concurs on this point in their article:

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Small artifacts, like countless cell phones and even tinier human remains continue to be uncovered.
Meanwhile... at the Pentagon... they don't find Jack or squat. How do you accept these facts at face value without bursting into peals of laughter? What, is it still too soon?

Re: Documentaries TWA-800
« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2014, 09:18:11 PM »
Speaking of a more Art Bell-era topic. Has anyone seen that TWA-800 documentary that came out last year? I never saw it advertised for any theater or on tv in my area and never been able to find online even in torrents. Curious if it solved any questions or just raised more and on the production quality.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2014, 09:52:21 PM »
Meanwhile... at the Pentagon... they don't find Jack or squat. How do you accept these facts at face value without bursting into peals of laughter? What, is it still too soon?

You don't know this.   I'm sure the military isn't as forthcoming with data as NYC.   Did you ever think that maybe below the pentagon is a deep network of tunnels and sublevels?   It's very likely that the plane disappeared right into this underground.

Re: Documentaries TWA-800
« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2014, 09:53:04 PM »
Speaking of a more Art Bell-era topic. Has anyone seen that TWA-800 documentary that came out last year? I never saw it advertised for any theater or on tv in my area and never been able to find online even in torrents. Curious if it solved any questions or just raised more and on the production quality.

What was it called?

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2014, 09:59:12 PM »
You don't know this.   I'm sure the military isn't as forthcoming with data as NYC.   Did you ever think that maybe below the pentagon is a deep network of tunnels and sublevels?   It's very likely that the plane disappeared right into this underground.
... are you saying I'm not theorizing enough? Let's look at the evidence.

I've already linked you to the guy with the thirty-year-plus career in the Air Force as an airline crash investigator. But let's ignore him--maybe he didn't have clearance to know about this hypothesized network of hollow tunnels underground.



http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/videoframes.html


Re: Documentaries
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2014, 10:06:05 PM »
... are you saying I'm not theorizing enough? Let's look at the evidence.

I've already linked you to the guy with the thirty-year-plus career in the Air Force as an airline crash investigator. But let's ignore him--maybe he didn't have clearance to know about this hypothesized network of hollow tunnels underground.



http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/videoframes.html

Unfortunately at the moment I can't sit and read this.  If there's some video analysis, I'll watch it, but I'm not convinced just quickly glancing through the article.  I do think there is probably underground shit at the pentagon.   That building is too small for everything that has to be going on in DC.   We all know for a fact that there is a massive underground system at the white house.   There was a news article on it a couple of years ago.  The article mentioned how it was extremely top secret, and they had tarps covering the worker's entrance.     Why wouldn't there be something similar at the pentagon?

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2014, 10:12:16 PM »
Why wouldn't there be something similar at the pentagon?

The official story alleges that a plane came in low and skimmed the ground at a high rate of velocity. So... are you saying that the thing suddenly took a sharp dive ninety-degrees into the ground, and penetrated what must be hardened military bunkers??

Occam's Razor is rolling over in its sheath!

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2014, 10:51:09 PM »
The official story alleges that a plane came in low and skimmed the ground at a high rate of velocity. So... are you saying that the thing suddenly took a sharp dive ninety-degrees into the ground, and penetrated what must be hardened military bunkers??

Occam's Razor is rolling over in its sheath!

LOL...   A couple of things could have happened 1) It is heavily fortified and the plane just virtually disentigrated, 2) There are underground facilities and the wreckage of the plane dropped into it as it was burned or 3) Maybe the angle of approach would have allowed it to go underground - who knows?  Its hard to tell from the pictures, but I haven't looked that closely.   My thoughts were #2 or #1.


Re: Documentaries
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2014, 11:05:18 PM »
Its hard to tell from the pictures, but I haven't looked that closely.



Look deeply. Do passenger jets have afterburners? No. No, they do not.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2014, 11:16:28 PM »


Look deeply. Do passenger jets have afterburners? No. No, they do not.

No, but remember, it hit some poles on the way in.  Who knows what they did, they might have punctured the fuel or fuel lines and the resulting fuel trail could have ignited.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2014, 11:21:40 PM »
they might have punctured the fuel or fuel lines and the resulting fuel trail could have ignited.
Pet Shop Boys - How Can You Expect to Be Taken Seriously?

Once again: how much do they pay you? What is this, the end of Die Hard 2: Die Harder ??

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2014, 11:49:50 PM »
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2945784/

I thought this was interesting.  The theory seems solid and grounded in actual ballistic evidence.

Thanks for the tip on this doc!
Really compelling! They lay it out really well and use actual evidence. Although I do have a slight problem with witness testimony about smelling gunpowder. Even though it was still fresh in their minds, memory can be flawed. Even more so, because of the scope and tragic nature of the event. Good doc nonetheless.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2014, 11:58:13 PM »
Thanks for the tip on this doc!
Really compelling! They lay it out really well and use actual evidence. Although I do have a slight problem with witness testimony about smelling gunpowder. Even though it was still fresh in their minds, memory can be flawed. Even more so, because of the scope and tragic nature of the event. Good doc nonetheless.
What strikes me is the culture of the Secret Service.  The recent BS with SS agents in Columbia not paying a prost for services and the shit storm that ensued.  The failure during the early days of the Obama administration to prevent a couple of opportunistic socialites from crashing an official event at the White House.  The stories of SS agents out all night partying while on protection detail.  These stories make me think that the SS is a boys club for jocks who are in a neverending contest to prove to their world they have the longest dong.  It shocks me there aren't more LHO

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #114 on: May 21, 2014, 12:26:39 AM »
Consider: today's Secret Service is a direct descendant of Johnson's detail.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #115 on: May 21, 2014, 12:27:36 AM »
What strikes me is the culture of the Secret Service.  The recent BS with SS agents in Columbia not paying a prost for services and the shit storm that ensued.  The failure during the early days of the Obama administration to prevent a couple of opportunistic socialites from crashing an official event at the White House.  The stories of SS agents out all night partying while on protection detail.  These stories make me think that the SS is a boys club for jocks who are in a neverending contest to prove to their world they have the longest dong.  It shocks me there aren't more LHO

That is disturbing about the SS boys club BS. It makes total sence to me that if the SS agent did kill JFK by a hangover induced slip up, they would do whatever they could to try to cover it up. It's amazing there isn't a picture at that exact moment the gun went off. A muzzle flash would be easy to spot. I guess the doc did mention that the SS/FBI seezed all the cameras/film.

Re: Documentaries TWA-800
« Reply #116 on: May 21, 2014, 09:19:53 AM »
What was it called?
I think this is the one. Considering the original incident and all the C2C shows about it I'm curious if the film answers the questions or just brings up more.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3040528/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2014, 09:38:18 AM »
That is disturbing about the SS boys club BS. It makes total sence to me that if the SS agent did kill JFK by a hangover induced slip up, they would do whatever they could to try to cover it up. It's amazing there isn't a picture at that exact moment the gun went off. A muzzle flash would be easy to spot. I guess the doc did mention that the SS/FBI seezed all the cameras/film.
Dropped SS and didn't even register that had uhhhh historical import. I need a vacation.

Re: Documentaries
« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2014, 01:38:32 PM »
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Re: Documentaries
« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2014, 04:28:15 PM »
heehee, "responsibile." I legitimately don't know if that is a typo or not! guffaw!