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The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« on: July 16, 2013, 03:52:30 AM »
A few days ago the presidents of 3 labor unions sent a letter to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.  They were the Democratic Speaker of the House and Senate Majority leader when Congress passed the ObamaCare bill and sent it to the White House for the President's signature.
 
The letter was addressed to them because not one R in the Senate or the House voted for the bill.  Every D Senator and all but 34 D's in the House voted for it.  They needed all D votes in the Senate to avoid a filibuster.  Some Ds in the House were allowed by the leadership to vote no because there were enough votes to pass it and these members had tough re-election campaigns coming up.
 
In the letter, signed by the 3 union presidents including Jimmy Hoffa Jr of the Teamsters, some of their issues were: 
 
 -Destruction of the 40 hour work week - people are having their hours reduced so they can be considered 'part-time' and denied employer coverage
 
 -Destruction of the health and well being of the members due to loss of healthcare coverage
 
- Members campaigned and voted for the Ds because of the Ds 'vision that all Americans will have access to quality affordable healthcare', which it turns out is not going to be the case under this law
 
- They pledged that if people liked their health care plans, they could keep them - which is not going to be the case
 
- The way the new law is being interpreted, the non-profit plans the unions have will be destroyed - despite them expressing their concerns to the administration and the pertinent agencies
 
http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter-obamacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/
 
 
I would add that Obama and the Ds cynically included provisions that the worst of it wasn't scheduled to be implemented until after the 2012 elections.
 
And that employees are being fired in order for businesses to either get under 50 employees so the bill won't apply to them.  Other businesses are firing - or not hiring - employees due to uncertainty and cost of insurance.  Other businesses are dropping coverage for employees and planning to pay the 'tax' instead, others are dropping spouses and dependents.
 
Insurance companies are leaving certain states where profitability was low and red tape was high to begin with.  Others are jacking rates sky high to pay for all the additional coverage they are being forced to provide (dependents up to age 26, birth control, pre-existing issues, etc).
 
Doctors are retiring and students are choosing to go into something other than medicine.  There ARE going to be panels that will ration health care - will determine who gets what treatment, or any treatment at all.  Which will cause the premature death of some patients.  And extended misery of others.  It is very doubtful that a net increase of Americans will be covered.  People that suggested at the time that there would be 'death panels' were sneered at.
 
 
 
This is by no means a complete list of the absolute failure of ObamaCare.  It's nice that the people affected by this legislation are now waking up, but one thing I'd like to say is - we told you so.  All of this and more was predictable and predicted.  The bill was crammed down the throats of Americans even though opposition to it was around 70% at the time.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 04:10:44 AM »
And as disastrous a piece of legislation as it is, President Neo is absolutely powerless to stay implementation of a law of the United States. (Although I do think it's nice of him to admit ownership like that.) Now that doesn't mean we won't see an entire government plus house media pretend there's nothing to see here, move along, move along. They'll act as if there's nothing to do, and treat it as non-existent. 

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 04:19:28 AM »
There are a few political points to be drawn and considered.
 
One is voting for party.  When it comes right down to it, our elected representatives are going to vote with their leadership on certain issues - whether they personally support them or not, and whether their constituents support them or not.  So much for 'voting for the best person regardless of party'.
 
Another observation is look at what happens when the Ds have complete control.  In 2009 they had the Presidency, a filibuster proof Senate, a majority in the House, and it was the newly elected President's 'honeymoon' period.  Time to take on the tough issues that desperately needed attention.  But instead of taking steps to improve the economy or addressing any of a number of much more pressing issues  they spent 2009 on ObamaCare.  They went with their long time wish list and the hell with their responsibilities.  They didn't even bother to pass a budget, just a continuing resolution that locked in annual $1.5 Trillion annual deficits.
 
Where else to the Ds have complete control, and what is the record there?  Our cities are mostly all one party Democrat enclaves.  They've destroyed the schools, driven business away, driven productive citizens to the suburbs. Crime is off the hook.  As is the dependency of residents on government handouts.  The court systems are overwhelmed and broken.  The cities and their related agencies and districts are bankrupt (school, park, fire, park, water districts, the various mass transit, redevelopment, etc agencies).  Hope and opportunity are nearly non-existent.  Taxes and spending and the size of the government workforce are sky high.
 
Not to mention the one party D controlled states like Calif and Illinois.  Quite the record when the Ds have all the power.  Yet so many voters continue to be swayed by the wonderful talk of Democratic candidates.  And vote for all this
 
 
 
A third observation is about ObamaCare again.  I believe it was never meant to succeed, but it just failed faster than planned.  I think ObamaCare was supposed to take time to be revealed to be the monstrosity it is, and in the meantime the private sector medical industry was supposed to be ruined and eliminated.  At that time, we were to be offered a European style government run healthcare system - something the Ds have been dreaming about for decades but cold never get past the American people on it's merits.


Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 11:38:43 AM »
I'd like to interject and ask was the world/country always this shitty? or am i just noticing it now? I'm only 28 and only really started caring about/keeping abreast with politics/world events in the last 5 years or so... I know it's easy to look back with nostalgia... but objectively was the world this shitty? or did we just not have all the information that the internet allows us to have now? There certainly wasn't the level of distrust in the government 20 years ago that there is now...

     

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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 11:46:23 AM »
I'd like to interject and ask was the world/country always this shitty? or am i just noticing it now? I'm only 28 and only really started caring about/keeping abreast with politics/world events in the last 5 years or so... I know it's easy to look back with nostalgia... but objectively was the world this shitty? or did we just not have all the information that the internet allows us to have now? There certainly wasn't the level of distrust in the government 20 years ago that there is now...

   


Yes it has been this shitty. Just different shitty games with different players, different pugilists and different victims..The difference is that because  in large part to the information highway, people are able to access most/some/ all areas. That your parents looked through rose tinted specs when you were a lad, and mine too, and no doubt our grandparents just means we see nostalgia as dusting down the whole, shine up the turd and forget the really shitty mess that isn't solid. We call that bit 'The good old days'

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 12:06:08 PM »
Yeah i really hate being informed... i feel it is a civic responsibility... but it still is depressing know what i know about the current state of affairs... and i don't know all that much, but compared to family and friends I'm the more knowledgeable person in the room... I try to explain some things to them and they just start getting depressed...

on a less soul crushing side note... Yorkshire pud, I've gathered your from GB... which football club do you support? Mind you there are right answers hahaha


Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 12:13:14 PM »
Yeah i really hate being informed... i feel it is a civic responsibility... but it still is depressing know what i know about the current state of affairs... and i don't know all that much, but compared to family and friends I'm the more knowledgeable person in the room... I try to explain some things to them and they just start getting depressed...

on a less soul crushing side note... Yorkshire pud, I've gathered your from GB... which football club do you support? Mind you there are right answers hahaha


Oh that's easy..I don't really follow football. I take note of the five or six clubs' near to me (their league positions) during the season, but I'm not a fan of any of them. Once upon a time I tried to learn ice hockey (I wasn't a bad skater), but it nearly killed me, I was too old when I started, and never got past half a dozen training sessions.  ;D
I follow the six nations rugby, and the rugby world cup. The recent Wimbledon tennis was quite good...and now we have the Ashes cricket test; second test starts on thursday..England are one up to Australia so far.

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 01:04:03 PM »

Oh that's easy..I don't really follow football. I take note of the five or six clubs' near to me (their league positions) during the season, but I'm not a fan of any of them. Once upon a time I tried to learn ice hockey (I wasn't a bad skater), but it nearly killed me, I was too old when I started, and never got past half a dozen training sessions.  ;D
I follow the six nations rugby, and the rugby world cup. The recent Wimbledon tennis was quite good...and now we have the Ashes cricket test; second test starts on thursday..England are one up to Australia so far.

haha I have no idea how cricket is played what-so-ever... It seems interesting enough... just hard to see it on TV over here... I do enjoy the antics of your Barmy Army though... (some english lads started chanting in a bar this one time and i had to look into it on youtube for more)

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 01:06:10 PM »
Sorry i'm getting us off track...

God what an evil bunch of people are in charge off us... trying to exploit us and herd us like sheep into their evil ideologically driven agenda

(ok and we're back on topic now)

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 03:39:54 PM »
I'd like to interject and ask was the world/country always this shitty?...   

 
 
... God what an evil bunch of people are in charge off us...

 
 
It's never been perfect, or wonderful for everyone. 
 
But when you are with your friends and family, or at school or work, or in your neighborhood, things are pretty good (hopefully).  There is still opportunity for everyone.  You are right to look at our 'leaders', our government, as a source of misery. 
 
Our Founding Father left us a small, non-intrusive government, with freedom, liberty, opportunity for anyone.  Obviously it wasn't perfect then either, but it was a brand new experiment in self rule, with certain protections (our Constitutional rights).
 
We've lost much of that due to the last 100 years or so of an ever expanding government at all levels - constantly passing new laws and issuing new regulations to restrict us, constantly demanding more of our wealth to fund their little empires and boondoggles.
 
The answer is a return to a small government - the bigger and more powerful it is, the more of our wealth and freedom it takes, and the worse people it attracts to office.

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2013, 06:28:25 PM »

No, it has not always been this crappy. Things have gotten so much worse. Two terms of Obama should tell you how effing stupid the American Voters have become. My hat is off the to liberal/socialist/democrats - you won. Your agenda of the dumbing down of the American populace has succeeded.

I'd like to interject and ask was the world/country always this shitty? or am i just noticing it now? I'm only 28 and only really started caring about/keeping abreast with politics/world events in the last 5 years or so... I know it's easy to look back with nostalgia... but objectively was the world this shitty? or did we just not have all the information that the internet allows us to have now? There certainly wasn't the level of distrust in the government 20 years ago that there is now...

   

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2013, 07:24:34 PM »
No, it has not always been this crappy. Things have gotten so much worse. Two terms of Obama should tell you how effing stupid the American Voters have become. My hat is off the to liberal/socialist/democrats - you won. Your agenda of the dumbing down of the American populace has succeeded.
or how completely out of touch the republican party is.  get a real candidate.  it's not like people were voting FOR romney.  they were voting AGAINST obama.  get a better candidate

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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2013, 07:51:21 PM »
or how completely out of touch the republican party is.  get a real candidate.  it's not like people were voting FOR romney.  they were voting AGAINST obama.  get a better candidate

 
They haven't had a good candidate in more than 2 decades.  I don't see one coming up this time either.  Of course I could say the exact same about the Ds..  We're screwed.

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2013, 07:53:27 PM »
Can anybody really get excited about Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, etc?  I can see some argument for excitement for Hillary, first woman president and all, but can't we do better than this?

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2013, 08:52:21 PM »
What IS with all this "first" stuff?  Why not just run a rock so we can say "we elected the first rock to the WH!"  Talk about superficial.  How about if we elect somebody who is competent and has the best interests of the country at heart?  I wouldn't care if they were blue, purple, green, or a turnip if they could meet that criteria.

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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2013, 09:15:08 PM »
I just heard a promo that your Geico Insurance policy wants to run for president,,,,but it can't,,,,it's an insurance policy.
It IS happy, however, you are saving money.
 

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2013, 09:59:08 PM »
I just heard a promo that your Geico Insurance policy wants to run for president,,,,but it can't,,,,it's an insurance policy.
It IS happy, however, you are saving money.


Hahahaha... ;D   GEICO for the FIRST insurance policy as President!  Those radio commercials are just plain weird.  The GEICO TV commercial with the guy covered in money kind of freaks me out.  He looks like "The Cash Creature."  :o  It just looks creepy.  I remember when the GEICO commercials were pretty clever.  Now they're just pretty stupid and annoying.



Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2013, 11:15:28 PM »
or how completely out of touch the republican party is.  get a real candidate.  it's not like people were voting FOR romney.  they were voting AGAINST obama.  get a better candidate
When you're right, you're right. I don't feel anyone in the Republican Party is even close to presidential caliber. There really isn't in the Democrat Party either, which won't stop the Princess of Wails from trying to be a President in her 70's; although I would dearly love it if the current First Harridan thinks she is owed the job.

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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2013, 07:10:42 AM »
There really isn't in the Democrat Party either, which won't stop the Princess of Wails from trying to be a President in her 70's; although I would dearly love it if the current First Harridan thinks she is owed the job.

Sad thing (to  me) is that I would have voted for Hillary in 2008, rather than have to vote for McCain. At least she admits she's a Democrat.

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2013, 12:32:53 PM »
Sad thing (to  me) is that I would have voted for Hillary in 2008, rather than have to vote for McCain. At least she admits she's a Democrat.
Heh. (But if only she were - "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." Hillary Clinton.)

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2013, 02:31:15 AM »
No, it has not always been this crappy. Things have gotten so much worse. Two terms of Obama should tell you how effing stupid the American Voters have become. My hat is off the to liberal/socialist/democrats - you won. Your agenda of the dumbing down of the American populace has succeeded.


Interesting that Dem voters are "stupid" (I don't know if they are or not)...


Sorry, but I disagree. Again, I must state the obvious fact that "Liberalism IS a mental disorder." Liberalism/Fabian Socialism (insanity) is voting for the same political philosophy that has repeatedly FAILED time and time again in various governments around the world that have embraced it. The tools that voted Hussein Obama into office TWICE, think "Oh yeah, we got the right guy this time! He's smart! He'll be the One to finally make it work." How's that Hoax and Chains workin' out for ya? Sorry, but Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, etc all tried and failed.Capitalism is not perfect - and it never will be, but it's made America the greatest nation to ever have existed.


That Stalin, Hitler and Franco might have had more than a few screws lose is a given; but as for being liberal? Mao? Nope... I don't think so either. Their particular method of controlling the population wasn't open for debate within their respective countries; certainly no-one with more liberal views would be invited to tea after the first attempt to put them right.


To suggest that being liberal minded is a mental disorder or democrats per se are stupid has to have a basis in fact; it's certainly an argument you need to adopt from a position of knowledge of the wider world in my view. To suggest that Hitler et al were liberals falls way short, and demonstrates a woeful understanding of the definition of liberal. 

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2013, 02:41:50 AM »

 
It's never been perfect, or wonderful for everyone. 
 
 
The answer is a return to a small government - the bigger and more powerful it is, the more of our wealth and freedom it takes, and the worse people it attracts to office.


So you do want small collectives that are self regulating; run by small councils or co-operatives for the benefit of, and by the people? Self sufficient and producing for need rather than to generate wealth for it's own sake and bolstering a bureaucratic edifice? Such small collectives being answerable to themselves, and supporting each other within that collective. 

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2013, 07:49:16 PM »
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/1001/Obamacare-101-What-to-know-if-you-opt-out-of-buying-health-insurance

Quote
Who is eligible for such exemptions?

You can be exempted from the requirement to buy health insurance – and hence, from the penalty – if you meet one of the following requirements:

• You are uninsured for less than three months of the year.

• You live illegally in the United States.

• You’re incarcerated, and not awaiting disposition.

• You’re a member of a recognized Indian tribe.

• Your income is officially deemed too low.

• The lowest-priced converge would cost more than 8 percent of your household income.

• You’re a member of a recognized religious sect with religious objections to insurance, including Social Security and Medicare.

• You’re a member of a recognized health-sharing ministry. (Note: Christian Scientists do not currently qualify for the exemption.)

lolwat?

Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2013, 02:56:54 PM »
Here is something interesting.  Right from the horses mouth.  People's World is the Communist Party USA's news website.  Sam Webb is the current Chairman of the Communist Party USA.  This article was written by Sam Webb and is dated November 26, 2013


http://peoplesworld.org/obamacare-grumbling-is-not-enough/


It's interesting how closely aligned these folks policies are with Obama and ObamaCare. 


For such a short piece, he packs a lot in there:  he carefully explains Obama's detractors are the 'far right' (never mind his approval percent is now in the 30s).  For even reporting on the abject failure of the rollout, Obama's fawning press is now "the compliant corporate media".  He admits "even 'Progressive' and Left Wing circles are grumbling" about ObamaCare - and suggests they should be actively supporting it instead.

The very last paragraph is telling.  One thing I like about the Communist Party USA is that unlike the 'Progressives', and unlike the current crop of Democrats in DC, they tell us what they are really about and what their tactics are.  I guess if someone names their Party the Communist Party, why lie about objectives at the point. 

Chairman Webb is a person that chooses his words carefully (as does Obama) so one should pay close attention to them.  It's not a mistake that he uses the word ''progressive'' to describe his own policy, and also notes it is ''radical''.  And those who resist are "racist".  Some things never change.


Reading that, one would almost get the idea the 'Progressives' are Marxists, and one of their ongoing tactics is to paint everyone who oppose them as 'racist'.  Interesting how this just keeps coming up. 

I suggest we resist them, remove hem from office, and throw their lies and smears back in their faces.


Re: The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2013, 07:06:42 PM »
I suggest we resist them, remove hem from office, and throw their lies and smears back in their faces.
Better yet, you and the rest of your horrid goblins could just go back to Mordor...(be easier then your constant defense of racism beliefs...)

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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2013, 03:33:12 AM »
Better yet, you and the rest of your horrid goblins could just go back to Mordor...(be easier then your constant defense of racism beliefs...)



So presented with this article, you admit your beliefs are perfectly aligned with Sam Webb and the Communist Party USA?  And now that you understand the origin of smearing anyone who isn't a far Left radical as a 'racist' is a core tactic of theirs, you are now following those orders as well?

You should be very proud.

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2013, 11:02:55 PM »


So presented with this article, you admit your beliefs are perfectly aligned with Sam Webb and the Communist Party USA?  And now that you understand the origin of smearing anyone who isn't a far Left radical as a 'racist' is a core tactic of theirs, you are now following those orders as well?

You should be very proud.
you really are a one-note wonder. So desperate to box opposition into neat definable package to discredit and denigrate in code.
Life, and politics, isn't as simple as your demagoguery. 
The only thing I admit is that conservatism's foundation is based on race and class hatred and is immoral.
As long as you can create bogey men, you can feint people away from the truth.

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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2013, 01:11:27 PM »
you really are a one-note wonder. So desperate to box opposition into neat definable package to discredit and denigrate in code.
Life, and politics, isn't as simple as your demagoguery. 
The only thing I admit is that conservatism's foundation is based on race and class hatred and is immoral.
As long as you can create bogey men, you can feint people away from the truth.

You fucking idiot. You do, with every post, precisely that which you accuse PB of doing.

Did your daddy molest you or something or did your mommy laugh and make fun of you when you were a child?

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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2013, 02:30:43 PM »
You fucking idiot. You do, with every post, precisely that which you accuse PB of doing.

Did your daddy molest you or something or did your mommy laugh and make fun of you when you were a child?
Well, well.  Look who has his whiskey muscles.

Qunt Karl casts aside his hard spent months of attempted civility and self righteous verbosity to reveal the vile filthpig conservative rascist/misogynist/classist he is.

As usual, your post makes no fucking sense.  Do I always call Paper Boy a fascist?  Do I always tie him to Nietzsche, Hitler, and Buckley?   Of course not because, unlike you and PB, I can argue a point on its merits and not have to frame it to ideology to attempt to discredit it. 

As usual, blinded by your impotent hatred, you fail to comprehend basic truth.

Welcome to reality, you stupid shitbag.

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2013, 02:46:40 PM »
Well, well.  Look who has his whiskey muscles.

Qunt Karl casts aside his hard spent months of attempted civility and self righteous verbosity to reveal the vile filthpig conservative rascist/misogynist/classist he is.

As usual, your post makes no fucking sense.  Do I always call Paper Boy a fascist?  Do I always tie him to Nietzsche, Hitler, and Buckley?   Of course not because, unlike you and PB, I can argue a point on its merits and not have to frame it to ideology to attempt to discredit it. 

As usual, blinded by your impotent hatred, you fail to comprehend basic truth.

Welcome to reality, you stupid shitbag.

The delusion you create for yourself is incredible.