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St. Louis to Stop Airing Snoory!
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2013, 12:14:01 AM »
Well it's official. Folks here in the St. Louis area are about to lose the Snoorster!...

 
http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/noory-s-coast-to-coast-am-leaving-ktrs/article_652757c1-3d19-5af9-99d5-c930d11b5e42.html
 


Hahah, the very first comment to that article was posted by good ol' Starbrite

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« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2013, 12:18:15 AM »
... I see an outhouse or a port -a - potty...


" East of the Rockies line. This is Tommy. What did you want to talk to Snoorge about ? "

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« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2013, 12:53:33 PM »
Oooh, he's being dropped by his "home" station, where he was "Nighthawk" Noory. Ouch.


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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2013, 05:28:15 PM »
***UPDATE!***
 
OK. Here's the latest on Snoory's departure from KTRS. Apparently he has his reasons. Whatever they are, he's being tight lipped about it for now.
 
http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/ktrs-execs-it-was-george-noory-s-decision-to-leave/article_c4a68b22-45f3-5592-aa9e-fac205115f57.html


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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2013, 06:43:35 PM »
That site has been censoring comments uncomplimentary of Noory. I know because I left one. It has only 2 up right now.

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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2013, 07:04:31 PM »
***UPDATE!***
 
OK. Here's the latest on Snoory's departure from KTRS. Apparently he has his reasons. Whatever they are, he's being tight lipped about it for now.
 
http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/ktrs-execs-it-was-george-noory-s-decision-to-leave/article_c4a68b22-45f3-5592-aa9e-fac205115f57.html

Interesting article.  The station is claiming PremRat is the one who is not renewing their contract to carry Coast.  They then go on to say they considered George 'family' but he must not feel the same way.  That I can believe, but if the syndicators are the ones not renewing, it wasn't up to George.  That seems a contradiction.
 
George declined to comment but will address it in 'late April'.  Why - is it going to take him 6 weeks to come up with some palatable lie?
 
Or is this all just another example of people - for completely unknown and incomprehensible reasons - covering up for George and his suckage yet again ('it's not him, it's us')?

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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2013, 07:07:00 PM »

Interesting article.  The station is claiming PremRat is the one who is not renewing their contract to carry Coast.  They then go on to say they considered George 'family' but he must not feel the same way.  That I can believe, but if the syndicators are the ones not renewing, it wasn't up to George.  That seems a contradiction.
 
George declined to comment but will address it in 'late April'.  Why - is it going to take him 6 weeks to come up with some palatable lie?
 
Or is this all just another example of people - for completely unknown and incomprehensible reasons - covering up for George and his suckage yet again ('it's not him, it's us')?

I'm inclined to believe the third possibility.

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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2013, 07:30:52 PM »
First the Cafe Marrakesh and Oasis Bar bites the dust and now this.  Good 'ol Jorch, "The St. Louie Loser."

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« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2013, 07:44:20 PM »
First the Cafe Marrakesh and Oasis Bar bites the dust and now this.  Good 'ol Jorch, "The St. Louie Loser."

I'm honestly ashamed to have his name attached to our city.

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« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2013, 08:19:47 PM »
Think how Detroit must feel, as if things aren't bad enough.

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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2013, 07:17:57 AM »
It could be, (noorys move), due to poor daytime ratings. If memory serves, the last time I looked at the KTRS book, they werent doing so well. The C2C bunch have moved the show before when a station failed to perform in other timeslots. They look at the overall lineup as lead in for C2C. As I said, I havent peeked at KTRS ratings in awhile, but I doubt they couldve improved the numbers in such a short time. It is quite possible jorch is the only program getting numbers and Premier is trying to position themselves to a higher rated station. Its all about the numbers ya know...damned if I know why noory seems to hold enough of 'em to stay on the air. This whole fiasco could be the panic before the storm. As the show declines, the shuffle begins. Time will tell.

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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2013, 03:57:43 PM »
Yup, KTRS not in the top anymore, I thought they were.

http://www.arbitron.com/home/ratings_topline.htm

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« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2013, 04:03:47 PM »
I believe KTRS has the number one radio show in the city so I doubt that was it.

I don't know about that. I'm not exactly sure what the ratings are, but they have an afternoon talk show that's pretty popular and that's about it. Their morning show isn't much, and the only sports they carry are the Mizzou Tigers, so I'm guessing that Snoory still probably gets the higher ratings, especially considering he's on longer than any of the other shows.

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« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2013, 04:07:24 PM »
Yup, KTRS not in the top anymore, I thought they were.

http://www.arbitron.com/home/ratings_topline.htm

Wow. They're not even in the top 20! And NPR (KWMU) even has higher ratigns than them! Ouch! Looks like Snoory's bailin' out of a sinkin' ship!

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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2013, 04:12:45 PM »
But like I was saying, the ratings say it all. (Not to mention the watts!) If Snoory were smart, he'd go to KMOX.

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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2013, 04:59:34 PM »

.... Looks like Snoory's bailin' out of a sinkin' ship!


Isn't that what all rats do?  Probably abandoning the Titanic to board the Lusitania.

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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2013, 08:02:52 PM »

Isn't that what all rats do?  Probably abandoning the Titanic to board the Lusitania.

Yeah. Unfortunately they can't lock up the watertight doors and leave him down below!

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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2013, 03:05:41 PM »
Hi Everyone:

Long time follower of the board and have been reading the site for years and have spend countless hours listening to MV's old CoastGab Stream and linden2k's Fine Art stream; I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the streams and the intelligent discussion on this site.

Well, something finally convinced me to hit ye olde register link to comment on something: within weeks sNorry won't be meeting anyone in St Louis at the station where he became the "Nighthawk".

Now that sNoory has gotten rid of that pesky baggage that tied him to St Louis as well as losing his time-slot on KTRS; I have been predicting another big change for sNoory before the end of 2013 but something in the St Louis Post-Dispatch article makes me wonder if the timetable for the next major change has been moved up:

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Noory has declined to comment, saying he would address the issue in late April.

As a public relations professional, I find it incredibly peculiar to pass on the opportunity to provide a comment to an article that is mostly favorable to you.  Noting that the St Louis market listeners were the people who embraced sNoory's Nighthawk show and provided him with the high ratings to garner the attention of the Premiere Radio executives who gave him the opportunity to be the guest host and eventually the host of Coast to Coast AM; it would be imperative to assure the KTRS listeners that he will still be their consistent voice of the night but on another station he'll soon be able to announce.  Then on the Sunday prior to the station switch he creates another opportunity to make a splash with longer, feature pieces about sNorry's ties to St Louis, thank KTRS for giving him the opportunity which changed his life and push listeners to his new station.

Unless there is no new station to announce and the "issue" sNoory will be addressing in late-April is: retirement.

In April 2012 I stumbled upon Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis and was quite impressed.  I immediately felt connected to the program as Clyde connects with the listener in a way that is eerily similar to Art.  When he began taking calls that night I was shocked: A host who actually listens to callers and doesn't freak out but has an intelligent, rational discussion even when a caller challenges his information or presents a viewpoint different than his... I believed such a host was an urban legend.  I've listened every show since that day I stumbled upon Ground Zero; it is addicting the same way MV's old CoastGab Stream was and linden2k's Fine Art stream is.  When he announced last summer that the show was going national and being syndicated by Premiere, I immediately thought/hoped that this was the beginning of the transition by Premiere from Coast to Coast to Ground Zero.


I'm predicting that the late-April announcement is sNoory's retirement from radio and the end of the Coast to Coast brand name.

Look forward to everyone's thoughts.

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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2013, 03:11:24 PM »
Welcome, RHastings.  While all you said about sNoory would make sense in a sane world, we're talking here about broadcasting.  Anchors, reporters, hosts, etc. are usually forbidden to mention another station.  I would assume George's contract includes much of the same basic language mine did (except much more money for him) - and mine was so inclusive, I couldn't sing in the church choir without written corporate permission.

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« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2013, 03:15:18 PM »
... I'm predicting that the late-April announcement is sNoory's retirement from radio and the end of the Coast to Coast brand name.

Look forward to everyone's thoughts.

From what people post about George's performance lately it sure seems like he cares less about doing a good job than he ever has.  All the big stations he's lost over the past year or 2 suggest poor and dropping ratings.  10 years is a very long time for any TV or radio show.  The guests and topics get worse and worse, who the hell listens to most of this stuff. 
 
And, oh, yeah, George is probably the laziest and least talented person in entertainment.  If he isn't canceled, no one should be.
 
It all adds up to 'sumpthin's gunna happen'.
 
 
Then again, any of this could have been written years ago
 
 

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« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2013, 03:42:26 PM »
Welcome, RHastings.  While all you said about sNoory would make sense in a sane world, we're talking here about broadcasting.  Anchors, reporters, hosts, etc. are usually forbidden to mention another station.  I would assume George's contract includes much of the same basic language mine did (except much more money for him) - and mine was so inclusive, I couldn't sing in the church choir without written corporate permission.

Hi UFO Fill and thank you.

You are correct that sNoory would likely not be able to mention another specific station but a general statement about "another station in St Louis" (unnamed) or "we'll continue to be heard in St Louis" (unnamed) wouldn't be a violation.  Regardless, Noory's contract is with Premiere and not with KTRS.  (I have a past career life as a broadcast journalist, so I'm quite familiar with such contracts.  Btw if you think media contracts are restrictive, check out pro athlete's sponsorship/endorsement contracts; they will blow your mind...)

Anyway, I think it is a moot point because I'm placing my bet on a sNoory retirement from radio announcement in late-April.  Premiere is being nice enough to let him continue for a month with a Friday announcement prior to a final goodbye week (quite unusual in radio, with the exception of Stern I cannot recall many national programs getting a farewell tour). 

That's just my opinion,, I could be wrong...  :D

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« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2013, 04:03:21 PM »
From what people post about George's performance lately it sure seems like he cares less about doing a good job than he ever has.  All the big stations he's lost over the past year or 2 suggest poor and dropping ratings.  10 years is a very long time for any TV or radio show.  The guests and topics get worse and worse, who the hell listens to most of this stuff. 

There has been a significant, noticeable difference in Noory's rapport with callers and guests from January 2003 to the present.  The program has become predictable, recycled and an endless repetition of the same guests spewing the same drivel... When the callers question the accuracy of a sNoory statement he typically panics or gets annoyed instead of engaging the caller... He has lost the ability to challenge a guest on anything or dig deep on a topic with a guest... He's become so conditioned the the same format every night and it is rare that he will call an audible to focus the program on an important national or global news story the created a major buzz that day; instead he chooses to keep the schedule so people can hear Richard Hoagland because, well, he's scheduled for that night and if Coast cancels his appearance they might not be able to book him as a guest again...  ::)

Maybe this analogy will explain it:
Premiere knows that they have a superstar like Adele on the bench ready to step in to the spotlight but they are choosing to keep the 2012 version of Whitney Houston in the spotlight a bit longer...

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« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2013, 04:40:06 PM »
Hi Everyone:

Long time follower of the board and have been reading the site for years and have spend countless hours listening to MV's old CoastGab Stream and linden2k's Fine Art stream; I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the streams and the intelligent discussion on this site.

Well, something finally convinced me to hit ye olde register link to comment on something: within weeks sNorry won't be meeting anyone in St Louis at the station where he became the "Nighthawk".

Now that sNoory has gotten rid of that pesky baggage that tied him to St Louis as well as losing his time-slot on KTRS; I have been predicting another big change for sNoory before the end of 2013 but something in the St Louis Post-Dispatch article makes me wonder if the timetable for the next major change has been moved up:

As a public relations professional, I find it incredibly peculiar to pass on the opportunity to provide a comment to an article that is mostly favorable to you.  Noting that the St Louis market listeners were the people who embraced sNoory's Nighthawk show and provided him with the high ratings to garner the attention of the Premiere Radio executives who gave him the opportunity to be the guest host and eventually the host of Coast to Coast AM; it would be imperative to assure the KTRS listeners that he will still be their consistent voice of the night but on another station he'll soon be able to announce.  Then on the Sunday prior to the station switch he creates another opportunity to make a splash with longer, feature pieces about sNorry's ties to St Louis, thank KTRS for giving him the opportunity which changed his life and push listeners to his new station.

Unless there is no new station to announce and the "issue" sNoory will be addressing in late-April is: retirement.

In April 2012 I stumbled upon Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis and was quite impressed.  I immediately felt connected to the program as Clyde connects with the listener in a way that is eerily similar to Art.  When he began taking calls that night I was shocked: A host who actually listens to callers and doesn't freak out but has an intelligent, rational discussion even when a caller challenges his information or presents a viewpoint different than his... I believed such a host was an urban legend.  I've listened every show since that day I stumbled upon Ground Zero; it is addicting the same way MV's old CoastGab Stream was and linden2k's Fine Art stream is.  When he announced last summer that the show was going national and being syndicated by Premiere, I immediately thought/hoped that this was the beginning of the transition by Premiere from Coast to Coast to Ground Zero.


I'm predicting that the late-April announcement is sNoory's retirement from radio and the end of the Coast to Coast brand name.

Look forward to everyone's thoughts.

If only. But I can't imagine George turning down his a Money For Nothing. Of course, it's obvious his heart hasn't been in it for years. He's clearly no good at it, and maybe he's finally caught on and it depresses him. Maybe he's tired of not being able to go to bed at a decent hour. Maybe. But very few people in his biz have quit before they were fired: it's the Golden Handcuffs. 

Good Post. Welcome aboard.

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« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2013, 04:44:50 PM »
Radio is a business, and there is a lot of local channel alignment in St. Louis right now.  One of the local Sports stations that broacasted sports 24/7 has been, I believe bought, and there are now two stations that have a clean programming slate.   This is occurring as I write this.

They are taking the viewpoint of a he and she format.  One will be geared more towards the male listening demographics and the other what "women want in radio."  Of course, everyone wants George, so he may be going there with Coast.

This is new and unexplored territory and one post above stated that the big 550 has lost market share.  All of this is addressed through the affiliate department at Premiere.  There is a more official name, but they deal with the affiliates. 

All of this may be entering into this decision.  Time will tell.. . ..

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« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2013, 04:56:34 PM »
RHastings may have a point and I certainly hope he does.  The syndication by Premiere of the Ground Zero show has always struck me as odd.  That said, Noory is less engaged than ever, he has always mailed the show in and wanted to leave early on Friday, but the show now seems pre-planned and it seems to have lost his interest completely.

So will he retire? Never, he would have to be forced out.  Would Premiere do that?  Yes, if they are smart and they then they would pay Art a huge sum to be the weekend host so he won't compete.

Will any of this happen?  I think it highly unlikely, but one can dream.

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« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2013, 06:42:02 PM »
Cheap Channel has several younger talk show hosts syndicated on various stations around the country.  One is Andy Dean, which we get in my market.  He's 30, I believe.  Talk radio draws a rather old audience, and I think Cheap Channel is trying to groom younger hosts to keep the talk format fresh.  Thus Clyde Lewis.

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« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2013, 08:16:52 PM »
... I can't imagine George turning down his a Money For Nothing...

He would have to be fired.  I don't recall any host being let back on the air after they'be been told - they just weren't there the next day.  Having said that, if there was one person tht would do as he was told and not bash management for firing him and would make up some creepy lie instead - trying to look good, it would be the Snorge
 
 
... He's clearly no good at it, and maybe he's finally caught on and it depresses him...

Hopefully we've all helped that process along each in our own way
 
 
... Maybe he's tired of not being able to go to bed at a decent hour...

 
Maybe he tells himself he could get a girlfriend if only he was out sitting in bars and lounges and singing karaoke during the evening.

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« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2013, 10:26:59 PM »
They are taking the viewpoint of a he and she format.  One will be geared more towards the male listening demographics and the other what "women want in radio."  Of course, everyone wants George, so he may be going there with Coast.

 You are absolutely right that radio is going through a major  transformation and only has themselves to blame.  The   decline began circa 2002 when they thought it would be a good idea to take ad money from Sirius and XM but did nothing to counter the new offerings on satellite or the iPod which began to gain mass appeal in 2002.  When the terrestrial radio industry finally got around to a differentiator to satellite and the iPod,  it was  streaming.  With streaming,  radio made a major blunder that that haven't resolved ten years later:   they made streaming of broadcast stations hard to listen to by playing the same three PSA's during commercial breaks.  Instead of giving advertisers a value- added comp by playing their ads online and measure the response thus building a foundation to monetize streaming.  Then the industry ignored podcasting and with the proliferation of smartphones,  radio continued their hemorrhage audience  to podcasts.

 Even with all of the poor choices and missed opportunities outlined above,  there is one piece of technology that had a greater impact on radio's decline than all of the above combined:  it wasn't video that killed the radio star,  it was the Personal People Meter that did.

 Regarding the proposed St Louis experiment of identifying stations like we identify pubic restrooms,  it's only been successful at two stations in history:  Washington DC's WJFK and Los Angeles' KLSX;  both long before  the Free FM format and the People Meter.  The guy talk and girl talk formats have been tried both in local and national formats with big time personalities and been disastrous in the ratings and quickly scrapped. Today's  terrestrial environment doesn't have the names to make it viable and neither format is really People Meter friendly.

 As far as sNoory, I  think it's quite telling  that in an  article  favorable to him,  he refused to provide even a vague comment  like "I can't share much,  but I can promise you that the great people of St Louis, who have  been loyal to me since 1996 and continue  to make my show great,  will still be able to hear the show and I'll tell you where in late April."  Such a comment would not violate any contract clause, simply because it doesn't say much.

 If you read the article and note what was shared and add  the sNoory no comment followed by the late April vague announcement mention;  there is a good chance that something is up. 

 I'm thinking that Premier and sNoory agreed on a buy out and to not give the impression that they fired George,  he fought for a phase out where he'll announce his retirement from radio in late April,  maybe they even do a  goodbye sNoory week of shows the week before Memorial Day.  George's retirement from radio is essentially him sitting out an agreed upon non- compete  period.   He can still do that tv show mentioned on his Wikipedia,  use soy sauce to color his hair and whatever else it is that sNoory does.   When his non compete ends,  if a program director recovering from lobotomy surgery decides it's a good idea to hire sNoory then he is free to come out of retirement.

 That's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

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« Reply #58 on: March 09, 2013, 10:46:13 PM »
...  As far as sNoory, I  think it's quite telling  that in an  article  favorable to him,  he refused to provide even a vague comment...

That. or they got ahold of him before Tommy had a chance to coach him up on what to say

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« Reply #59 on: March 09, 2013, 10:49:18 PM »
...  I'm thinking that Premier and sNoory agreed on a buy out and to not give the impression that they fired George,  he fought for a phase out where he'll announce his retirement from radio in late April,  maybe they even do a  goodbye sNoory week of shows the week before Memorial Day.  George's retirement from radio is essentially him sitting out an agreed upon non- compete  period...

I'm experiencing feelings of euphoria