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Sandy Hook
« on: January 11, 2013, 06:23:24 AM »
Things don't add up.

Police have not released a time line

Reports of three shooters. Police scanner radio recorded on you tube of said reports

Many more inconsistencies but the main one is a vimeo video put up on DECEMBER 10TH called RIP SANDY HOOK CHILDREN or something like that

Cover up

Sandy Hook
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2013, 09:02:53 AM »
Things don't add up.

Police have not released a time line

Reports of three shooters. Police scanner radio recorded on you tube of said reports

Many more inconsistencies but the main one is a vimeo video put up on DECEMBER 10TH called RIP SANDY HOOK CHILDREN or something like that

Cover up

Maybe you can be one of John B. Well's expert guests on Coast to Coast AM?  It would appear you have the intellectual credentials to be a C2C guest. Who do you think is behind this cover-up?  The Illuminati?  Little green guys from outer space?  The occupants of Richard Hoagland's monuments on Mars?  The Rice Krispies elves - Snap, Crackle and Pop?  You'd better get in touch with Mr. Wells right away.  And while you're on the phone with him, order some of his air filtration systems and radiation detectors. 

Sandy Hook
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2013, 09:31:05 AM »
Early news reports, even when well sourced, are frequently just wrong.  You really have to wait until the trial, if there is one, to find out what happened.  One strange question is just what weapons did the shooter use?  There was a rifle, but some reports say it was found in the car, not in the school.  There is a youtube video of officers removing a long gun from the car.  Other reports, however, say the rifle was used in the shootings and that police later recovered another weapon in the video.

As there will probably never be a trial of anyone, we'll probably never know.


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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 09:50:41 AM »
Expert guest eh? I think I might just give John a call...

... And if you can deduce a persons intellect from a quick forum question your smarter than me - and I'm pretty smart ^_^


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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 10:49:24 AM »
Early news reports, even when well sourced, are frequently just wrong.  You really have to wait until the trial, if there is one, to find out what happened. 

As there will probably never be a trial of anyone, we'll probably never know.


Quoted for truth.


Here is an interesting npr piece on Columbine and how the media's initial presentation had some problems that were never corrected openly.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103287016

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 10:27:40 PM »
The media screwed up any form of fact checking with this disaster.
 
I could swear I heard the news anchor's say that he was useing " fully automatic machine guns" for days and days after it happened. Then they also couldent make up there minds wether he shot the door open, or someone opened it for him.. Heck, at first they named his brother as the shooter.
 
The best way I can put it, is the media is playing a big game of "jump to conculsions" and doesnt care were they end up, as long as the rateings keep going up!

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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2014, 02:12:47 AM »
Okay, this is pretty messed up right here: Virginia man is suspect in theft of Sandy Hook sign

Listen, Dude, I get that you're angry about being lied to. I totally get that. But stealing artwork is no way to go about protesting.

Then again, he did give me a reason to resurrect this thread from the dead, didn't he? So, I salute his sacrifice. There are three things that cannot be hidden for long: the Sun, the Moon, and the truth.

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2015, 12:39:12 PM »

Fetzer guilty of defamation
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2019, 04:58:20 PM »
 Jury finds Jim Fetzer and co-author Mike Palecek guilty of defamation for his claims about Sandyhook and defamation of some of the parents. Damages to be decided later.

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/courts/judge-rules-against-sandy-hook-denier-from-dane-county-trial/article_b790c442-ba2e-5ca1-a69b-5df2f474396d.html 


I note this in passing. Funny how Obama always REFUSED to give the public a properly, legally apostiled document but this court, on a simple civil defamation claim, wanted an apostiled document.

"Zimmerman also submitted an official copy of the death certificate, with the required embossed seal, to the court"


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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2019, 04:48:49 PM »
Also, wasn't this a working class area? How is it that suddenly after the children's deaths, the parents now have all this time to maintain foundation websites?  One has given away over $300,000.  Don't these people work?  I'm sure they didn't have life insurance payouts on the children.  Maybe they raised the money, but it just seems odd that there are like 7 professional-looking non-profit foundations supporting various causes.  It's just my opinion, but in working class areas I never heard of that many parents operating that way.  These parents were born in the 80s, right?  Do they even know how to build and maintain websites?  Who has time?  I don't mean to offend anyone.  I would really like to know.

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2019, 04:51:25 PM »
What do people think of the conspiracy theories that the supposedly dead Sandy Hook children sing at the NFL every year?  I've tried to analyze the photos and ages, but it's really difficult.

Didn't ANY child peek?  If teachers told me to cover my eyes, I sure as Hell would look.  All the more.  Certainly raises suspicion to have no one speaking as eye witnesses to violence, and in the news, I never saw even so much as a broken window.

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2019, 04:59:46 PM »



Little green guys from outer space?

Funny how this moron doesn't post anymore. Hilarious.

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2019, 05:02:15 PM »
Noah Pozner's casket was open, according to an interview with his mother in the New Haven Register early in 2013.  The article states the boy's jaw was shot off, as well as one of his hands.

https://www.nhregister.com/connecticut/article/CONNIE-SCHULTZ-In-open-casket-boy-s-body-shows-11399159.php

I'm sorry this tragedy occurred, but thank God for Jewish requirements to have open caskets.  If it wasn't for her testimony, the public would have no documentation of violence at all.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that all the other parents would let their children be buried, without viewing the bodies.  Am I mistaken?  How would they know the children weren't trafficked?

Even though the children were killed, that doesn't mean Sandy Hook was not a conspiracy.

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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2019, 05:54:39 PM »
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/courts/judge-rules-against-sandy-hook-denier-from-dane-county-trial/article_b790c442-ba2e-5ca1-a69b-5df2f474396d.html

What kind of author would claim a child didn't die, when there was an open casket at the funeral? And, now he has to pay out for defaming the parents as "actors".

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2019, 06:03:59 PM »
Just because some parents were not actors does not necessarily mean other parents weren't.

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2019, 06:13:19 PM »
Several adults died, too.

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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2019, 06:14:56 PM »
Several adults died, too.

Itís adorable that you think you know this. ;D

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2019, 06:27:20 PM »
How come Adam Lanza's dad doesn't address the date of death discrepancy?  Why doesn't he tell the public what day Adam died for sure?

According to http://www.governmentsecrets.com/part-of-newtown-shooting-conspiracy-solved-or-does-the-cover-up-ensue-social-security-documents-may-shed-light-on-internet-theory/#,
Lanza was already dead before the day of the massacre at Sandy Hook.  The article's author shows with his FOIA request and images, that the Social Security Administration later changed the record to match the date of Sandy Hook.  But, there was no explanation.  Adults want reasons.  We are not sheep.  People know for sure when Lanza died.  His dad, emergency responders, the coroner...  Since when does the SSA get away with changing the alleged date of somoene's death without any explanation!

If the people of Sandy Hook are tired of conspiracy theories, they could get on this one. It should be an easy one to extinguish.  As it stands now, lack of explanation makes it look like someone's trying to cover something up.

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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2019, 06:43:23 PM »
I'm sorry this tragedy occurred, but thank God for Jewish requirements to have open caskets.  If it wasn't for her testimony, the public would have no documentation of violence at all.
Yes, thank goodness for the (apparently very new) Jewish requirement for open caskets.  :-\

https://www.funeralwise.com/customs/jewish/
"An open casket or cremation is not generally accepted in the Jewish tradition."

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-mourning-faq/#anchor8
"The practice of open-casket funerals and public viewings of the dead is not a traditional Jewish practice and runs counter to a number of Jewish legal and philosophical principles. "

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3218995/jewish/Why-Dont-Jews-Have-Open-Casket-Funerals.htm
"Additionally, there are a number of issues with open-casket funerals, on practical, halachic and mystical levels."



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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2019, 07:03:14 PM »
Jewish legal and philosophical principles


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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2019, 07:47:48 PM »
Yes, thank goodness for the (apparently very new) Jewish requirement for open caskets.  :-\

https://www.funeralwise.com/customs/jewish/
"An open casket or cremation is not generally accepted in the Jewish tradition."

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-mourning-faq/#anchor8
"The practice of open-casket funerals and public viewings of the dead is not a traditional Jewish practice and runs counter to a number of Jewish legal and philosophical principles. "

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3218995/jewish/Why-Dont-Jews-Have-Open-Casket-Funerals.htm
"Additionally, there are a number of issues with open-casket funerals, on practical, halachic and mystical levels."
I meant for the family.  The death is determined by the family or a doctor, which may be more than the officials at Sandy Hook allowed.  The deceased body of a Jewish person DOES definitely remain open to viewing and guarding by the family 24/7 until it is cleansed and buried, whether or not a casket is used at all.  Regardless of any funeral.

https://www.everplans.com/articles/jewish-funeral-traditions
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/tahara/
http://rohatynjewishheritage.org/en/culture/death-burial-mourning/

Fetzer guilty of defamation
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2019, 07:50:05 PM »
Jury finds Jim Fetzer and co-author Mike Palecek guilty of defamation for his claims about Sandyhook and defamation of some of the parents. Damages to be decided later.

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/courts/judge-rules-against-sandy-hook-denier-from-dane-county-trial/article_b790c442-ba2e-5ca1-a69b-5df2f474396d.html 


I note this in passing. Funny how Obama always REFUSED to give the public a properly, legally apostiled document but this court, on a simple civil defamation claim, wanted an apostiled document.

"Zimmerman also submitted an official copy of the death certificate, with the required embossed seal, to the court"

I see your misunderstanding...Because Trump has a pet AG who is really Trump's personal attorney, and therefore Trump is in charge of the Justice dept, you think everyone since Nixon was the same...Not so. And defamation isn't a criminal offence.

Quite apart from a civil case only needs a balance of probabilities not beyond reasonable doubt. I know you wouldn't know that though.

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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2019, 07:54:07 PM »
Connecticut governor at the time, Dan Malloy, viewed the Jewish boy's body.

So, why would an author say they boy wasn't dead and that his parents were allegedly actors?  Maybe the author ought to be glad the governor also didn't sue him!

Fetzer guilty of defamation
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2019, 08:06:23 PM »
I see your misunderstanding...Because Trump has a pet AG who is really Trump's personal attorney, and therefore Trump is in charge of the Justice dept, you think everyone since Nixon was the same...Not so. And defamation isn't a criminal offence.

Quite apart from a civil case only needs a balance of probabilities not beyond reasonable doubt. I know you wouldn't know that though.
Not true. It can be. Not in this case. Several jurisdictions/States do still have criminal defamation statutes or case law. Though, like this case, a civil tort is the more usual case. Some places you can defame the dead (presumably someone's legacy or family is harmed.) Even in the country from which you fled moved had some historically very infamous with regard to things like defaming the Monarch. You seem so confused with regard to history and the laws. 


https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/map-states-criminal-laws-against-defamation  (Note: right-wing source.   ;)


Arguably, I guess, sedition, Holocaust denials, and "hate speech" laws, often found on the Continent,Canada, and UK, could be considered a form of criminal defamation, only that in those cases a certain religion or group is the harmed party or that the public, or Crown, is harmed by such and sometimes results in people being imprisoned after conviction.

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2019, 08:30:39 PM »
You seem so confused with regard to history and the laws. 



I'm confused??? And yet you thought Obama made decisions concerning law, like Trump wants to do.

Defaming the monarch is punishable by death in Thailand if you're lucky. In the UK no-one would get arrested or punished for defaming Brenda.

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2019, 08:37:06 PM »
Speaking of AJ...here's what the judge in the case did the other day because he can't help being a prick.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/449159-judge-sanctions-alex-jones-over-alleged-threats-to-lawyers-in


Quote
A Connecticut judge on Tuesday sanctioned InfoWars founder and right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones after he was accused of threatening lawyers representing families of the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre.


Fetzer guilty of defamation
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2019, 09:12:55 PM »
Not true. It can be. Not in this case. Several jurisdictions/States do still have criminal defamation statutes or case law. Though, like this case, a civil tort is the more usual case. Some places you can defame the dead (presumably someone's legacy or family is harmed.) Even in the country from which you fled moved had some historically very infamous with regard to things like defaming the Monarch. You seem so confused with regard to history and the laws. 


https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/map-states-criminal-laws-against-defamation  (Note: right-wing source.   ;)


Arguably, I guess, sedition, Holocaust denials, and "hate speech" laws, often found on the Continent,Canada, and UK, could be considered a form of criminal defamation, only that in those cases a certain religion or group is the harmed party or that the public, or Crown, is harmed by such and sometimes results in people being imprisoned after conviction.
Precisely why "hate speech" laws are now being directed at anyone who questions Judaic history?  How convenient! 

Where did Freud and his followers go?  Some of them went to Frankfort, Germany and then to Ivy League Colleges in the USA.  Prior to 1945...after that it was open to Jewish immigrants.  Many of whom could NOT prove educational levels and were permitted to act as professors ~

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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2019, 08:30:44 AM »
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Department-of-Justice-under-the-Executive-rather-than-the-Judicial-branch-of-government


Actual retard detected.

The AG is the AG of AMERICA, not the POTUS, he or she is appointed to be the AG by the POTUS in the same way as any other official is, but they're not the personal attorney of the POTUS, right up until William Barr that is. Nor does the DoJ interfere with individual cases usually, they way the DAG just has with Manafort's incarceration. Of course it has nothing to do with Manafort trying to make nice with Trump via Hannity by text breaching the conditions of non disclosure in his case. Funny that, the swamp that was going to be drained, just has more of the pond life with Trump's version.

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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2019, 11:28:06 AM »
The AG is the AG of AMERICA, not the POTUS, he or she is appointed to be the AG by the POTUS in the same way as any other official is, but they're not the personal attorney of the POTUS, right up until William Barr that is. Nor does the DoJ interfere with individual cases usually, they way the DAG just has with Manafort's incarceration. Of course it has nothing to do with Manafort trying to make nice with Trump via Hannity by text breaching the conditions of non disclosure in his case. Funny that, the swamp that was going to be drained, just has more of the pond life with Trump's version.

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