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« on: January 06, 2013, 12:47:16 AM »
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Tonight:


Hijacked by GrowthSat 01-05
Joining John B. Wells, filmmaker and activistDave Gardner will discuss how the American Dream has been hijacked by growth, consumerism, waste, greed, and materialism. He says that not only are people overworked and unfulfilled, but growth-based agricultural and industrial practices are creating catastrophic planetary damage.

Well, this is going to suck!

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 01:14:34 AM »
Wells says tonight is his one year anniversary of taking over the Saturday c2c hosting from Ian Punnett.
Has it been a year already?

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 02:23:48 AM »
This is the same gloom and doom that has been done a;ready. Art Bell did shows like this too. Why keep us afraid? We are already having problems.  Enough of this already. This show sucks.


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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 03:04:45 AM »
Early in tonight's show, the guest and Wells discussed how the future world depicted in the "Mad Max" movies may turn out to be very close to reality.
How about "Soylent Green" - another doom&gloom future world?


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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2013, 03:30:05 AM »
He could add Omega Man and Planet Of The Apes and just call it Charlton Heston Night!

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2013, 07:49:03 AM »
     Wells opened with a monologue on "the burning forest fire" and what we were going to do about it, then something about how socialism wasn't working in those former socialist countries, and then he proceeded to entertain the the thoughts of communist, David "I'm not a communist" Gardner, who simply replaced Marx and Engels with Mother Earth and Nature.  According to him "our civilization is reaching maturity," and "growth isn't even possible anymore."  Instead of expanding this "human enterprise" we should all just focus on getting more "quality time" with our family and "share our jobs" with those less fortunate and settle for economic growth dictated by "what earth and nature will allow" culminating in a society where "everyone has meaningful work and has their needs met."  Underlying his entire philosophy was the problem that there are just too many dang people being born and we should all just make the "loving decision" to have just two kids.  Whats sad is that while we all in the 99% cheer on while the 1% get demonized, because we ain't rich and it ain't us that's going to be rounded up, this is the sort of crap that follows right behind it.  I know somewhere under Wells' fancy mumbling is a good old fashioned, gun toting, paranoid, somewhat conservative, constitutionalists,  but that Wells rarely showed up during the interview, and when he did he was mired in unfocused ramblings that proved ineffective.  Good show.
 
...eh, on second thought...

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 07:55:57 AM »
When I saw Dave Gardner would be the guest, I surely hoped for a time-traveling or interdimensional appearance by the late Brother Dave Gardner.  Rejoice dear hearts.

Sadly, it was not to be.

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 08:37:56 AM »
Wells is terrible is more akin to InfoWars or some other ultraparanoid right wing nutter show.  He is completely wrong for Coast and I hope he leaves, soon.

Completely unlistenable.

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 11:25:13 AM »
Do ratingings matter for C2C hosts? I'd be curious to know what kind of ratings Well's has. I used to check to see who the guests were going to be when he hosted hoping that his guests could somehow rise above his wretchedness, but now I rarely bother.

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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 11:38:44 AM »
Wells is terrible is more akin to InfoWars or some other ultraparanoid right wing nutter show.  He is completely wrong for Coast and I hope he leaves, soon.

Completely unlistenable.
Wells leave??? Not on your life.  I still believe that Prem Radio has ordained Wells to take an aimless C2C under a clueless Noory in to fringe rightwing and political fantasy territory.  Affiliates are falling off.  Noory's audience of pathetic losers and neurotics don't buy anything...rightwing cranks OTOH will buy all kinds of high ticket crap associated with The Obama Apocalypse.

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 12:27:34 PM »
Wells is terrible is more akin to InfoWars or some other ultraparanoid right wing nutter show.  He is completely wrong for Coast and I hope he leaves, soon.

Completely unlistenable.


I hardly think last nights show was "right wing" - if anything it was extremely left leaning... Anti growth... Population reduction... Protecting the planet... I've heard all this before from far left people who despise the American way of life in all it's wealth and waste who put forth global social justice ideas as a means of fairness. Their reasoning is always the same - not enough resources and infinite growth is impossible.

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 12:46:41 PM »

I hardly think last nights show was "right wing" - if anything it was extremely left leaning... Anti growth... Population reduction...


Erm, Hiltler was into population reduction..Not noted for his left leaning view of life..
 
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Protecting the planet...

Hmm, you think it's okay to have it raped the way it is?
 
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I've heard all this before from far left people who despise he American way of life
Oh dear, another one who latches onto the myth that the USA is the greatest country in the world...What makes you think that? What is your evidence to support that theory? Countries; perceived as left, middle and right can show the USA a thing about 'freedom' and opportunity.
 
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in all it's wealth and waste who put forth global social justice ideas as a means of fairness. Their reasoning is always the same - not enough resources and infinite growth is impossible.

To answer your secoond point first: There aren't enough resources and infinte growth is impossible..Unless you have some magic beans that can grow forests that are being torn down at a rate of the size of New Jersey EACH day in the Amazon. That's just the Amazon. It doesn't include Indonesia, African countries, or Asia.
 
What is so wrong with social justice? Why is so wrong that a peoples who is being raped by a huge powerful multi national fight back and win for a change? Or does your view of the world only reach as far as the state line? 

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 01:05:19 PM »
Erm, Hiltler was into population reduction..Not noted for his left leaning view of life..
Erm, Hitler was a socialist.  His party was the National Socialist Party.  His sin, so far as the left was concerned, was that his national socialism challenged the world socialism of the Marxists.  If he's not noted for his left leaning view of life, it's because his left leaning view of life is ignored.

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2013, 01:13:39 PM »
Wells says tonight is his one year anniversary of taking over the Saturday c2c hosting from Ian Punnett.
Has it been a year already?


I distinctly remember Wells first showing-up in December of last year.  Maybe it wasn't for Ian but filling in for Noory.

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2013, 01:43:35 PM »
Erm, Hitler was a socialist.  His party was the National Socialist Party.  His sin, so far as the left was concerned, was that his national socialism challenged the world socialism of the Marxists.  If he's not noted for his left leaning view of life, it's because his left leaning view of life is ignored.

Riiiight...so the desire for a 'pure' Aryan race was 'left wing'? Yes, he called his party national socialist, but that was to get the unemployed working class on board.
 
I found this, which pretty much sums up what I would have said...but it saves me typing it out.
 
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Hitler hated socialism and communism and soon destroyed both in Germany, outlawing all socialist parties and imprisoning thousands of socialists in concentration camps. He later tried to destroy socialism throughout Europe. His hatred of communism was a major motivating factor in his decision to attack the Soviet Union in 1941.

Hitler hated socialist internationalism and was instead an extreme nationalist, a typically right wing political stance. He was also a race supremacist, a stance associated far more with extreme right wing politics than with the left.

Hitler was also a social and national Darwinist, believing in the survival of the strongest both amongst nations and amongst individuals in the Reich. This social Darwinism economically lent itself much more to free market capitalism than it did to anything left wing. Hitler in fact hated the welfare state, and the Nazis quickly destroyed the German welfare system.
 
So averse was Hitler to the left wing concept of helping the weak and vulnerable that he actually approved orders to gas the sick and disabled to death! And Hitler gave carte blanche to German big business to exploit foreign labour to such an extent that actual slavery was instituted: no left wing ideas about the rights of workers here.

Hitler was not only right wing, he was extreme right wing. No way could any reasonable person conclude that he was left wing.

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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 01:53:34 PM »
Riiiight, anyone can quote any unattributed drivel one finds on the internet. But, actually, the facts set out in the quote, as opposed to the conclusions, support my position.  Hitler hated socialists and communists who supported Marx and Moscow rather than him.  It doesn't prove, or even offer evidence, of Hitler's lack of socialism.

I suppose it's time to close this thread as Godwin's law has been invoked and I made the mistake of stepping in it.

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2013, 02:00:14 PM »
Riiiight, anyone can quote any unattributed drivel one finds on the internet. But, actually, the facts set out in the quote, as opposed to the conclusions, support my position.  Hitler hated socialists and communists who supported Marx and Moscow rather than him.  It doesn't prove, or even offer evidence, of Hitler's lack of socialism.

I suppose it's time to close this thread as Godwin's law has been invoked and I made the mistake of stepping in it.

Unattributed? So your opinion isn't? Can you show me any unbiased accredited evidence to support your theory Hitler was a socialist? Bearing in mind he opposed all the measures that could be seen as being socialist measures..such as the welfare state, and caring for the disabled and sick? I'm keen to know....

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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2013, 02:03:21 PM »

I hardly think last nights show was "right wing" - if anything it was extremely left leaning... Anti growth... Population reduction... Protecting the planet... I've heard all this before from far left people who despise the American way of life in all it's wealth and waste who put forth global social justice ideas as a means of fairness. Their reasoning is always the same - not enough resources and infinite growth is impossible.

Erm, Hitler was a socialist.  His party was the National Socialist Party.  His sin, so far as the left was concerned, was that his national socialism challenged the world socialism of the Marxists.  If he's not noted for his left leaning view of life, it's because his left leaning view of life is ignored.

You're both retarded.

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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2013, 02:07:15 PM »
I am not comparing Wells to Hitler, Stalin, or any other political figure.  He is more akin to a poor man's Alex Jones.  Alex Jones believes in nothing, and is simply interested in making money off paranoid people as far as I can tell.  This is the model I think Wells is following.

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2013, 02:16:26 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2013, 02:36:09 PM »
When I saw Dave Gardner would be the guest, I surely hoped for a time-traveling or interdimensional appearance by the late Brother Dave Gardner.  Rejoice dear hearts.

Sadly, it was not to be.

Beloved, I fear his inclusion would be too much to hope for...especially since you and I are likely the only people here who have any idea who the hell you're talking about. A funny man. Not that I keep up with cutting edge humor these days, but I can't think of a single act today, or even a recent literary figure, that even remotely resembles the hilarious incongruity of Brother Dave's bizarre creation of the Southern rural barroom slickster lowlife combined with the gospel-and-a-Camel lay preacher. John Kennedy Toole was a piker, and Ignatius J. Reilly a cold, grey, flat character next to the exuberant sideburns-and-Scotch-at-Wednesday-night-service genius of Brother Dave. *sigh*

But imagine how a mistaken cross-booking of Brother Dave Gardner instead of crypto-Commie Dave Submit-To-Gaia-NOW Gardner, and vice-versa, might play out.

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2013, 02:50:31 PM »
But imagine how a mistaken cross-booking of Brother Dave Gardner instead of crypto-Commie Dave Submit-To-Gaia-NOW Gardner, and vice-versa, might play out.
It would be teeth, hair and eyeballs all over the concrete.

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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2013, 03:36:37 PM »
Well last night's show was a yawner. The guest didn't have any compelling stories or whatever he should have had.

I could have done better:
Overpopulation
Me: "They are taking away ranching land to build housing tracts"
Natural Resources
Me: All morning long water trucks come rolling through driving like madmen and the "trailer-towns" have increased traffic. This is ruining the privacy locals are accustomed to around here.

The interview reminded me of an article I saw in the onion a long time ago:
"Report: 98 Percent Of U.S. Commuters Favor Public Transportation For Others"
http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-98-percent-of-us-commuters-favor-public-tra,1434/

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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2013, 05:41:58 PM »

Riiiight...so the desire for a 'pure' Aryan race was 'left wing'? Yes, he called his party national socialist, but that was to get the unemployed working class on board...

 
Pretty simple really - the more government a person wants, the more someone believes the govt is the answer to everything, the more controlling the govt is, the further to the Left.  The less involved the government is, the more someone thinks the government is mostly in the way, spends too much, taxes too much, tries to do too much, is usurping personaly Liberty, the more the the Right.
 
Of course Hitler and his totalian state was Leftist.  How would it not be.  The Leftist intellectuals fleeing to the US could not bear to admit that, and figured out a way to insist the Nazi's were somehow right-wing.
 
The Nazi's were Nationalists, and these influetial Leftists decided that's what made them right wing.  It's the same argument you are making with the Aryan Race comment.
 
But Nationalists are inherently neither right wing or left wing.  A few noted Nationalists:  Gandhi, Mandela, Ho Chi Minh, Winston Churchhill, George Washington, Mao, Castro, De Gaulle, Bolivar, the Israelis, the Palestinians...

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2013, 06:08:43 PM »
I found this quote, which saves me the trouble of typing it out. I think you'll agree it settles many thorny questions which have troubled historians for decades.

Hitler was a ballerina, a horseback juggler and 1/4 Zulu. He also clearly hated Zwieback Toast. He eventually had it outlawed, first in the provinces he invited to join with Germany (known by their earlier names of Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belgium, The Netherlands, et al.), and then in Germany proper. There are those vile individuals who hate truth who would say that Hitler actually loved Zwieback and went though all the governmental machinations merely to amass a huge quantity of it for his personal use, but it is clear to all right-thinking people that anyone who would think such impermissible thoughts should be shot.

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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2013, 08:36:07 PM »

Of course Hitler and his totalian state was Leftist.  How would it not be. 

Hitler and the Nazis were not leftists. There is no question that Hitler hated socialism, communism, homosexuals and Jews.  Those aspects of his political and personal views alone should rule out any leftward leaning attributed to Adolf & company, IMO.  But if you're saying he wasn't exactly rightwing, there's some argument to be made for that as well. The fact is, Hitler was a very unique crackpot with neither side being precisely where his cold, psychotic heart called home.

All that considered, it's interesting that the conservative (rightwing) Bush family made a large part of its fortune by helping to launder money for the Nazis. And I don't think anyone would disagree that today's neo-nazis are definitely rightwing extremists. So there are at least some connections, past and present, to Nazis and the rightwing.

(If you're not familiar with Prescott Bush and the Nazi connection, here's an interesting article just to give you an idea of what I'm referring to: http://rense.com/general26/dutch.htm )




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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2013, 09:31:20 PM »
Hitler and the Nazis were not leftists. There is no question that Hitler hated socialism, communism, homosexuals and Jews.  Those aspects of his political and personal views alone should rule out any leftward leaning attributed to Adolf & company, IMO.  But if you're saying he wasn't exactly rightwing, there's some argument to be made for that as well. The fact is, Hitler was a very unique crackpot with neither side being precisely where his cold, psychotic heart called home.   All that considered, it's interesting that the conservative (rightwing) Bush family made a large part of its fortune by helping to launder money for the Nazis. And I don't think anyone would disagree that today's neo-nazis are definitely rightwing extremists. So there are at least some connections, past and present, to Nazis and the rightwing.

(If you're not familiar with Prescott Bush and the Nazi connection, here's an interesting article just to give you an idea of what I'm referring to: http://rense.com/general26/dutch.htm )


The Bushes are not conservatives.

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2013, 09:44:33 PM »

The Bushes are not conservatives.

What would you call them then?

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2013, 09:47:39 PM »
Hitler and the Nazis were not leftists. There is no question that Hitler hated socialism, communism, homosexuals and Jews.  Those aspects of his political and personal views alone should rule out any leftward leaning attributed to Adolf & company, IMO.  But if you're saying he wasn't exactly rightwing, there's some argument to be made for that as well. The fact is, Hitler was a very unique crackpot with neither side being precisely where his cold, psychotic heart called home.

All that considered, it's interesting that the conservative (rightwing) Bush family made a large part of its fortune by helping to launder money for the Nazis. And I don't think anyone would disagree that today's neo-nazis are definitely rightwing extremists. So there are at least some connections, past and present, to Nazis and the rightwing.

(If you're not familiar with Prescott Bush and the Nazi connection, here's an interesting article just to give you an idea of what I'm referring to: http://rense.com/general26/dutch.htm )

I'm no fan of the Bushes. 
 
Communism and Socialism are not the only things under the Leftist banner.  Fascism is as well.  I don't think Hitler was more evil than Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot, each of them was unique but at some point pure evil is just pure evil.  I don't know a thing about modern day Nazi's - I assume they mostly just hate everyone that's not one of them.
 
Are all Jews Leftists?  Homosexuals?  I'm not sure what you meant.  I do know that Evangelical Christians are probably the strongest supporters of Israel in the US, and most of them are 'right-wing'. 
 
It's all so confusing.  What I am tired of are the 'Progressives', when they are unable to defend their policies, start telling the Conservatives they are racists and Nazi's and all that shit.  We're not taking it any more.
 
 
 
 

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2013, 09:48:33 PM »
Hitler was a fascist, who are generally placed on the extreme right of the political spectrum.