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How New York and New Jersey are dealing with Hurricane Sandy Aftermath

Started by Zircon, November 02, 2012, 10:23:52 AM

Zircon

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/t...FCGh SF8oM5kN

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/t...FCGh SF8oM5kN

This disgusts me !!!
http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/s...sandy-recovery

Now this goes to show what a fucking liberal government in NYC regards as priorities. Marathon first as people go hungry. No to non-union help. Good God All Mighty !!!

ItsOver

Running the marathon???  What's that all about?  Just slap a "happy face" on and look the other way?

Zircon

Quote from: ItsOver on November 02, 2012, 10:33:39 AM
Running the marathon???  What's that all about?  Just slap a "happy face" on and look the other way?
They better wear rubber boots. And water will be provided by the East River. ER rooms will be busy.

Sardondi

It sounds like Staten Island is in truly desperate straits, and no one in NYC is listening to them...because they're too busy getting ready for the NYC Marathon. Are you kidding me? And Bloomberg has made sure the media flying into NYC for the marathon - the media, now - have not one, but two 800 MW generators humming along providing them light and heat. That's one generator being used, and one "standing down" as a backup in case the first one goes out.

That's enough power to provide electricity to about 800 residences of NYC taxpayers. But they're the ones who voted for 'em.

Zircon

Quote from: Sardondi on November 02, 2012, 11:02:40 AM
It sounds like Staten Island is in truly desperate straits, and no one in NYC is listening to them...because they're too busy getting ready for the NYC Marathon. Are you kidding me? And Bloomberg has made sure the media flying into NYC for the marathon - the media, now - have not one, but two 800 MW generators humming along providing them light and heat. That's one generator being used, and one "standing down" as a backup in case the first one goes out.

That's enough power to provide electricity to about 800 residences of NYC taxpayers. But they're the ones who voted for 'em.
THey'll probably reelect Bloomberg and we know Obama already has New York's EVs.

Eddie Coyle

 
          I still think a "McGreevey" like presser is coming from Bloomberg eventually. NYC deserves him. He really is Ed Koch part 2 in many ways. "Vote for Cuomo not the homo" was the 1977 campaign slogan in the NYC mayoral race.

          It's times like these where I miss Bob Grant.

Bloomberg is on his third term and he can't be re-elected. He's a first class nanny and a royal pain in the ass 354 days out of 365, that's for sure, but I have to give him credit for being able to handle an emergency like this. I can still remember back in the Lindsay days when NY came to a screeching halt during one blizzard.

It's not easy here. This is the worst storm I can remember, and I've lived through quite a few.I'm very, very lucky. A small section of my town got their lights back on Wednesday, and I was one of them. But on the south shore, near the water, there's total devastation with people in Long Beach having to be evacuated after the storm because the floods made it impossible to have treated water and their toilets couldn't be flushed. One hundred homes burned down in Breezy Point, which is sad because mostly FDNY and NYPD live there, and they were called in for the hurricane.

Staten Island and lower Manhattan are disaster zones. Staten Island was evacuated along the eastern shoreline, but there were deaths as the flood waters came up quickly and swept anything in their path away. People are without lights, food or their homes. And in lower Manhattan, even though evacuation was mandatory, some people stayed and those in highrises are without water and lights, although Con Ed says the electricity will be on tonight. And no one wants to talk about this publically, but there are an army of homeless who lived down in the subways which were all flooded. God knows what they'll find down there when the subways are pumped out, but that's a horrible way to die. 

Around there, there are long lines for gasoline. In the town next to mine, the National Guard is out at gas stations enforcing a 10 gallon ration, and gas must be put in containers. In my town, the Nassau police are at the gas stations to enforce safety. The problem was that the lower NY harbor was closed to shipments of oil and gas stations are still without power like most of LI and parts of NYC. But I have to say this, we were warned days in advance that this was going to be severe and it was on, so people made their choices whether to prepare or not. I've been out of work for a week because schools are closed, and they are closed because of traffic safety issues.

It's been really tough, and it'll get better slowly, but not fast enough for everyone who is suffering from this storm. In my opinion, those generators could have been put to better use on Staten Island.

Sardondi

Of course I'm sympathetic to these people. No doubt many were forced to evacuate and are truly destitute (the story about the woman whose car was washed out and she and her two small boys had to walk through waves and surf of flooded streets to a house where they were refused admittance, and as she clung to a railing the two boys were washed away to their deaths, presumably by drowning - like something out of Greek tragedy).

But for many of these people - what the hell were you doing in the 3+ days you were warned to prepare? Look, governments cannot save us. The new paradigm, which is just old common sense, is that we must enter every looming disaster with a plan to survive without any assistance and no power for up to three days. So that means making plans and taking steps to secure your residence and your person and securely store water, water, water, food, survival items and appropriate clothing. Take responsibility.

stevesh

Quote from: Sardondi on November 02, 2012, 01:39:04 PM

But for many of these people - what the hell were you doing in the 3+ days you were warned to prepare? Look, governments cannot save us. The new paradigm, which is just old common sense, is that we must enter every looming disaster with a plan to survive without any assistance and no power for up to three days. So that means making plans and taking steps to secure your residence and your person and securely store water, water, water, food, survival items and appropriate clothing. Take responsibility.

Thank you. The food and water requirements for a family of four for a week will fit under a standard twin bed. No excuse for these people.

Juan

I've lived in Florida and North Carolina and have seen probably a dozen hurricanes.  The trouble with New York government is that it has not made the hard decisions to prevent the suffering of people.  My little town in Florida made the tough decision, and sold it to the taxpayers, to bury all power lines.  As a result, in 2004, we had four hurricanes and a tropical storm, and my power was out a total of 15-minutes.

Government also needs to teach people to prepare - the aftermath is always the worst part for the most people.  They had a week's notice, but I saw little preparation.  Buy groceries, put up drinkable water, fill your bathtub with water to use for flushing the toilet. 

It's easy to make decisions such as banning the sale of fatty foods or large soft drinks.  It's hard to make the decisions to do what people really need government to do - protect the infrastructure.

We had plenty of advance warning, and it was based on solid scientific data. But I've heard over and over that because Irene wasn't so much (we were without power for days and trees were down all over the place!) the area dumb asses didn't believe this would be, either. When I went to fill up my car on Sunday, no problem, no lines.

I've kept emergency supplies in the house since 9/11. I discard the expired and bring in new. It's not rocket science, and there was no excuse for ignoring the evacuation warnings, either. Pets were allowed in all the city shelters and in one shelter on Long Island, and there was a shelter for those with special needs, too. I'm one mile away from the flood evacuation zone cut off. You can be sure if I were told to evacuate, I'd grab my  husky, my valuables and go. The consequences of being caught in a flood are not worth it.

The only bright note in all this is that the infrastructure in NYC is going to be looked at very, very carefully when it comes time to repair, because storms like this may well be the new normal.

Sardondi

Quote from: UnscreenedCaller on November 02, 2012, 03:05:21 PM...The only bright note in all this is that the infrastructure in NYC is going to be looked at very, very carefully when it comes time to repair, because storms like this may well be the new normal.

I've said before that in the 20th Century we actually had an unusually quiet time for strong storms in the Western Hemisphere. For the past 50 years or so the northeast coast of the US got a real break since hurricanes there essentially took a half-century hiatus and instead hit the Gulf Coast and the Atlantic coast of Florida and Georgia and some into the Carolinas. In contrast the 50's and early 60's were a particularly active time for hurricanes in the mid-Atlantic and northeast US, which were well into double figures over a 8-10 year period. When it comes to weather, only the long view gives us reliable trends.

Quote from: UFO Fill on November 02, 2012, 02:56:59 PM
... It's easy to make decisions such as banning the sale of fatty foods or large soft drinks.  It's hard to make the decisions to do what people really need government to do - protect the infrastructure.


People running for office at any level aren't really interested in filling potholes, making sure the lawn is mowed at the park, bridges, roads, water, sewer, making sure public transportation is clean, safe, convenient, on time.  Look what they've done to the schools, no matter how much money they've been given for that.  To these people that boring stuff is beneath them.  They have other plans.  They want power over the rest of us and to implement their little pet ideas on what they think we should be doing - everything from what light bulbs we should be using and how much soda we should drink all the way to a centrally planned economy, if they could get away with doing it all at once..

How could anyone watching any of this think these people should be deciding who gets what medical care, or any of the rest of what they are doing or are planning for us.

We have a chance Tuesday to at least slow some of this Fascism down and send a message - to everyone from the President on down to the local City Council members.

ya know... i find it almost impossible to believe that we are the same people that pioneered their way across a continent.

Sardondi

Quote from: Evil Twin Of Zen on November 03, 2012, 03:54:24 AM
ya know... i find it almost impossible to believe that we are the same people that pioneered their way across a continent.

Here are some folks who could still do it...and would do so gladly. "The Old Guard" at the Tomb of the Unknowns during the height of the storm. While the Marines use the motto, the honor guard of the 1st of the 3rd IR, 3rd Inf. Div., definitely know the meaning of "Always Faithful".


stevesh

Quote from: UFO Fill on November 02, 2012, 02:56:59 PM

Government also needs to teach people to prepare ...

Sorry, no. The people need to figure out how to prepare without government help.

Sardondi

Up until our society began it's great lurch toward socialism beginning in the 60's it was understood by virtually every rational adult that government even in those days was very limited in the things it could do well, like national defense and mail (and look how the Post Office strangled itself with suicidal labor agreements which guaranteed the its eventually bankruptcy). In those areas traditionally handled by the private sector or state/local governments, the federal government destroys almost everything it touches with crippling administrative and bureaucratic burdens. The nanny approach has trickled down to many of our state and local governments, which now interfere in things like neighborhood lemonade stands for kids, or building dollhouses, treehouses or back decks on our houses, or generally using our property the way we'd like to. 

Our country is mired up to its neck in government. Government will never do a better job at whatever industry it took the job over from. Unfortunately the Millennials know little else but a nanny government running a statist society; and even more unfortunately as a demographic cadre their initiative and self-reliance is far less than previous generations, and they seem to have considerably less determination and drive. Sorry, it's just true. Of course individuals are all over the map, but as a group, they tend to be soft as Poppin' Fresh. Let the games begin.

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