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Lyin Ryan
« on: September 01, 2012, 11:20:27 PM »
What the heck is it with Republican VP candidates?  Last time around, the walking punch line that was Palin torpedoed their chances, and now they have a pathological liar running.  Between the phony marathons, the phony marathon times, the lies about Obama speaking at a factory that was shut in the Bush presidency, and Clint "the furniture whisperer" Eastwood, this week may be the reason they loose what should have been a very winnable election.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2012, 08:04:09 AM »
What the heck is it with Republican VP candidates?  Last time around, the walking punch line that was Palin torpedoed their chances, and now they have a pathological liar running.  Between the phony marathons, the phony marathon times, the lies about Obama speaking at a factory that was shut in the Bush presidency, and Clint "the furniture whisperer" Eastwood, this week may be the reason they loose what should have been a very winnable election.

Democrat VP candidates are no better.  Biden is a retard dressed as a buffoon.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 11:51:24 AM »
What the heck is it with Republican VP candidates?  Last time around, the walking punch line that was Palin torpedoed their chances...


to me, this constitutes simple group/herd thinking.  as i see it, palin was the only reason mccain had a chance in hell.  had the economy not imploded just prior to the election (people seem to conveniently forget about that tiny variable), obama might still be serving as illinois' absentee senator.





Lyin Ryan
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2012, 12:55:17 PM »
The entire post is Democratic party talking points.  You should be better than that.
Investigation shows that then Senator Obama spoke at the auto plant that was threatened with closure.  He said he would keep it open 100-years.  Instead, it actually closed in April, 2009.  Ryan's point was clearly that Obama didn't keep his promise - not assigning fault to the closure.

All of these idiots have plenty to criticize them for - you help your own credibility by being accurate.

As for Palin, I voted for her, not McCain.


Lyin Ryan
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2012, 03:44:49 PM »
It really doesn't trouble you that Ryan would lie like that?  I'm not talking about the usual stretching of the truth, selective quoting, and other nefarious stuff that both parties do, and which I am willing to concede is what the factory quote is, but the marathon stuff?  That isn't forgetfulness, or partisan game playing.  It is straight up mythomania.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 04:25:10 PM »
I haven't found anything I consider credible regarding the marathon - one way or another.  Got a link to something?

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 06:06:48 PM »
I haven't found anything I consider credible regarding the marathon - one way or another.  Got a link to something?
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-01/ryan-retreats-from-claim-he-ran-marathon-in-under-3-hours




Lyin Ryan
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 07:19:59 AM »
Real cool, Daddio, and I salute you for whipping out that link.

It's fascinating, but very disturbing, to note how, in political threads in here, the wildest, most-noxious stuff from the right wing is accepted and considered just "good old healthy free speech," not requiring any citation nor any self-restraint, and oddly, not even seen as "political" by some posters.

BUT, almost any rejoinder to that kind of stuff --whether from "the left," or even just offered out of any sense of civility or regard for the truth--  is typically shouted down, mocked, called "gratuitously political," and generally portrayed as somehow beyond the pale of "the acceptable range" of "free speech," while the poster himself typically faces a range of jibes regarding (if not assaults upon) his patriotism, sexual orientation, sanity, and any other aspect of personality considered belittling in the right-wing world view.

In light of those usual responses, I actually also salute UFO Fill for having the politico-intellectual temperament to request that Daddio cite a source, rather than immediately jumping to the demonization of an opposing view, instead of the comparatively mild reflexive resort to dismissive patronization that Fill actually made (i.e., "Democratic party talking points," and the implication that such a label is automatic disqualification of whatever is so labeled).

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 07:37:14 AM »
He said he would keep it open 100-years.  Instead, it actually closed in April, 2009.  Ryan's point was clearly that Obama didn't keep his promise - not assigning fault to the closure.

All of these idiots have plenty to criticize them for - you help your own credibility by being accurate.

As for Palin, I voted for her, not McCain.

Is this a different plant? It says it closed on in December of 2008, not April of 2009.
"the company suspended all operations at the facility by Dec. 23, 2008, eliminating 2,400 jobs."


http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/

"Seifert cited this portion of a February 2008 campaign speech then-Sen. Obama gave at the Janesville plant:

"And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.  The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, itís where it will thrive.  I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and thatís the future Iíll fight for as your president."

That's a statement of belief that, with government help, the Janesville plant could remain open -- but not a promise to keep it open."

I guess its up to you to determine if that is a promise.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 08:33:38 AM »
So which is worse Daddio, telling a bunch of black Americans that the republicans are going to put blacks back into chains or embellishing a marathon time? Lets see Obama and Biden do a footrace around a track against Ryan since this seems to be an issue of some kind.

And if Bush decided to close that plant, an Obama said he'd keep it open 100 years then who made a promise not kept? It wasn't Ryan who allowed the plant to be closed. And if you're not really bothered by the closing then why bring it up?

Anybody ever wonder where these four and a half million new private sector jobs are that Obama claims He created? How many of them were temporary jobs at Christmas and Easter where a few hundred thousand temporary workers were hired for the season and then laid off/fired/let go once it was over. He takes credit for the job creation but not for the job loss. He didn't create those jobs, the private sector like Dillard's, Macy's, Nordstom, JC Penney etc. did.

How many were minimum wage jobs at McDonalds, Wendys, Taco Bell, Burger King etc. And those aren't full time positions with benefits. Are those meaningful jobs where a family can be supported? Are those people "professionals" who can engage in a proud career? No, not at all. Did Obama create the need for more hamburger or chicken sandwich consumption? I think not.

How many $80-$120K jobs did He create? Private sector jobs are created by the private sector as abhorrent as that sounds to so many of you social justice types (resident communists included). Hello !!! The government doesn't create anything because the government doesn't produce anything.

Tens of thousands of IRS workers ... federal jobs with high salaries and very lucrative benefits - all paid for by the private sector. College professorships are also paid for by the capitalists and the taxes they pay. Police, fire fighters, EMT, first responders etc. , God Bless them all, are public sector jobs paid for by the efforts of the private sector. The government threatens the people with their reductions whenever the government feels it is not going to get whatever it wants from the taxpaying citizens. Rather than remove overhead and top heavy do-nothings, they threaten those who actually do the work and those who actually pay to have the work/services provided.

So Ryan is a liar. How about David Axelrod (sp?), who got sliced/diced by Chris Wallace on Fox yesterday. The democrats idea of carrying on a conversation is to drown the questioner out, over-talk him or her (yada!yada!). David would abruptly stop and tell Chris to go ahead and finish his question. I mean who's program is this and who is controlling the flow of the interview? Apparently Axelrod thinks he is going to dictate this meeting as to submit to Wallace would expose him to actually having to answer a question. Axelrod repeatedly (five times) wouldn't answer a simple question but did his poli-speak bullshit end around stuff. It dealt with budgets and track records on getting a few things done.

So, the RNC was a toss up between "Father Knows Best" and the "Donna Reed Show" according to those who tag it as black-and-white TV out of the 1950s. Note how MSNBC cut away from the podium whenever a minority was speaking - showing only whites. Who are the bigots? Who is manufacturing what is said? Who is trying to sell extreme editorializing as real time news?

And in Charlotte, a sand mound to the god, Obama-Hotep melts in the rain. The Occupy folks are massing. The event to be held at "Bank of America" Stadium (one of the four major banks - of 12 - of the federal reserve and Obama's BFF money-man, Ben Bernake. I guess we'll see an army of purple-shirted union hard hats out there punching out protestors - maybe those poor, disenfranchised New Black Panthers will join the fun and club protestors as well.

I'm glad its football season.





Lyin Ryan
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 05:30:22 PM »
It's fascinating, but very disturbing, to note how, in political threads in here, the wildest, most-noxious stuff from the right wing is accepted and considered just "good old healthy free speech," not requiring any citation nor any self-restraint, and oddly, not even seen as "political" by some posters.

BUT, almost any rejoinder to that kind of stuff --whether from "the left," or even just offered out of any sense of civility or regard for the truth--  is typically shouted down, mocked, called "gratuitously political," and generally portrayed as somehow beyond the pale of "the acceptable range" of "free speech..."


first off, only you are responsible for how your posts are "portrayed." 


second, nobody has promised you'll be roundly supported in your beliefs.  the only "promise" is that you'll be allowed to articulate your beliefs without being censored.  if you're expecting something more than that, you'll be pretty consistently disappointed... regardless of your political leanings.


i also find it interesting that you categorize right-wing posts as "the wildest, most obnoxious stuff" while simultaneously giving those who agree with you a pass, describing their meanderings as a gesture of "civility or regard for the truth."  horse shit. with that type of impermeable objectivity, it's a good thing you're not running this place. 

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2012, 09:31:26 PM »
first off, only you are responsible for how your posts are "portrayed." 
second, nobody has promised you'll be roundly supported in your beliefs.  the only "promise" is that...
Nice condescending "portrayal" with the quotation marks.   Particularly, those around "promise" suggesting that I had cited or alluded to some promise.   I didn't, so no need for the ol' straw man.   But thanks for the supporting example that could hardly have been better if I had custom ordered it.

i also find it interesting that you categorize right-wing posts as "the wildest, most obnoxious stuff"...
Offended outrage; I understand.   I'm going to charitably assume that we are working from different definitions or understandings of the term "right wing;" specifically, that you may be reading "[generically] conservative" where I say "right-wing."   So for the moment, let me point out and emphasize that I never wrote nor suggested that all posts by conservative-leaning members were wild and obnoxious.   Note particularly my use of superlatives --wildest, most obnoxious-- which unambiguously denote that I was indicating a subset of all possible "conservative" posts, NOT any and all such posts, immediately obviating any rationale for the perception of "offense" by most "generically conservative" posters.
On the other hand, I can't believe that you're suggesting that no post in here that reasonably might be called "wild and obnoxious" could be from the obvious political right.   Are you?   Presuming that you admit that some could be, then it's the farthest-out of THOSE that I'm talking about.  But I'll come back to that.

...while simultaneously giving those who agree with you a pass, describing their meanderings as a gesture of "civility or regard for the truth."  horse shit.
First, I never said anything about posts having to agree with me in order to draw fire.   My post was meant, after all, to draw a contrast between the reactions to political posts-- such as which type of posts are attacked and ridiculed out of hand, or which are challenged for citations or not, or which are just accepted and never challenged.   Note my use of "whether" and "or even" in describing the hapless rejoinder posts; these conditional terms connote a range of motivations and perspectives in countering the right-wing viewpoint.   Yes, I do assert that "conservative" --including right-wing-- posts consistently receive easy acceptance here.   And the fact that I have to write this much more to rationalize an earlier sincere, straightforward, non-abusive post is evidence of the level of acceptance (not) afforded to stridently non-conservative posters.
Again, it's pretty unbelievable that you seem to suggest that no one could try in good faith to counter what they perceived as "wild and obnoxious" posts.    Do you really mean that you don't believe that anyone posts here with a genuine regard for civility or truth?   Or is it just that you refuse to see anything except, or counter to, politically-hard-right posts as having any relationship to "truth?"   If so, then I guess you didn't have much righteous basis for sarcasm when you referred to my "impermeable objectivity" --you know: your devastating implication that I really have no objectivity, again falsely suggesting that I had claimed any particular "objectivity."  Like you.

MV, if I had written that last post with obviously reversed political sympathies, would you be getting this bent out of shape?   I ask only to indicate that I do allow for the possibility of real objectivity on your part.   Otherwise, you sure seem sensitive about my observations, like a few weeks ago when you came down on me for noting and commenting on what I read as some blatant racism.   In this last post, I wasn't even criticizing anybody by name --certainly not you-- only observing and accurately commenting as I saw it ("truthfully," if you can imagine that from a person who differs with you politically).
Or are you just not into "meta analysis?"  You just dig people posting short, quick, and emotional, with no messy "bullshit professor tone" (I believe you once called it) commentary on the nature of the posts.   Is that it?

Actually, I find it curious and slightly appalling that you seem to self-identify as "right wing."   Yes, I absolutely use that term derisively, and when a post displays the kind of mentality I consider "right-wing," then yes-- by definition, those are almost all "wild and obnoxious" to me.    But with your attempt to belittle my observations, I have to conclude that you apply the term to yourself and are reacting defensively, despite the fact that I wasn't labeling anybody (and obviously not you) involved in this thread up to the time of my post .   Here I'll set aside the likelihood that you might be understanding a term differently than the way I mean it, and I'll assume that you are deliberately appropriating the insult.   Why?
I would be genuinely interested to know why you (or any person) would self-identify as what you know another person is defining as a pretty unsavory type of personality, particularly when 1) there is a strong likelihood of disagreement over definitions, and 2) there is no indication that the other person had you in mind when using the term.   Unless a person is just looking for a fight after he learns another person's definition of terms, then his reaction to a value-laden sociopolitical label that is not being applied to him could just as easily be (and I'd hope would be) along the lines of "Hey, we may disagree on some stuff, and I'm always up for the attempted group beat-down of any poster I politically disagree with, but I sure ain't one of those stereotypical narrow-minded warmongering bigoted religious-fundamentalist authoritarian assholes YOU'RE describing.   Not me!"    Unless a person actually wanted to be thought of as all that.   Do you?   I mean, that's how I'd handle it: not go looking to paint myself in ugly colors.

Remember --paraphrasing you-- only you are responsible for the insults you take upon yourself.

...it's a good thing you're not running this place.
For some people, it probably is.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2012, 09:47:30 PM »
For some people, it probably is.

And that would include anyone with the audacity to disagree with you.  Most people don't like being told they're "dumb fucks," (your term) when they happen to encounter someone from the opposite end of the spectrum who's hell-bent on shoving their beliefs down the other person's throat.

For all your intellectualism and moralizing, you're no more than a Fascist at the end of the day.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2012, 10:32:55 PM »
...you're no more than a Fascist at the end of the day.
Thanks.   I realize that you meant it as a compliment, but do me a favor and call me a Socialist.   I realize that you would consider that as an insult, and I know you'd never willingly insult me, but hey -- indulge me just once.   If you can't bring yourself to do that, "Marxist" is okay by me.
(Actually, by training, I'm a "Weberian-Dahrendorfian" theorist, but Beck and Limbaugh never taught anybody how to spit those names as epithets.)


Accusing any political liberal-progressive in modern America of "shoving their beliefs down the other person's throat" is like accusing Rodney King of beating up those 5 cops.   Absurd beyond measure.
Oh wait-- I guess anyone who would think that an American liberal is capable of effectively forcing anything on anybody in this society probably thinks that Rodney King DID beat up those poor sweet cops.
I forgot.
 

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2012, 11:08:58 PM »
... Actually, by training, I'm a "Weberian-Dahrendorfian" theorist...

Ok, so you are an adherent of an obscure branch of Marxism.  Given the, umm, less than sparkling history of Marxism in general in the 20th century - you know, murders of tens of millions, mass deportations, intentional starvations of whole populations, hellish prison camps for political prisoners, complete lack of freedom or human rights, the occasional genocide - how is it you assume anyone not agreeing with you in your theoretical training is somehow the worst type of racist rather than someone just not as educated and informed as you?  That is the case right - it turns up in nearly all your posts?

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2012, 12:40:19 AM »

Ok, so you are an adherent of an obscure branch of Marxism.  Given the, umm, less than sparkling history of Marxism in general in the 20th century - you know, murders of tens of millions, mass deportations, intentional starvations of whole populations, hellish prison camps for political prisoners, complete lack of freedom or human rights, the occasional genocide - how is it you assume anyone not agreeing with you in your theoretical training is somehow the worst type of racist rather than someone just not as educated and informed as you?  That is the case right - it turns up in nearly all your posts?

Thanks to (Richard) Marxism, among others, I has an almost completely sparkling 20th century history, personally.  I mean Right Here Waiting!?!  If that didn't help create billions of "shining beacons of humanity", I don't know what did.

Unfortunately, it's impossible to properly judge the true value of a socio-political system when it has never been implemented properly and honestly on a national level.  And I'm not sure if it is logically viable to judge one system by the mores and values espoused in another, especially when using selective historical evidence.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2012, 06:44:36 AM »
I just love the righteous indignation of anyone extolling the vile corruption of any tenet of communism and how many died due to its evil influence.

Yet these same dimwits choose to ignore the way the US handled the American Indian population. Or how capitalism got such a big boost from all that free labor also known as slavery.

Not to mention the exploitation of third world countries to gather resources in what any reasoned person would consider problematic... if they took the time to actually learn where their bananas came from.


Oh Ryan is a liar... wow what frikken news is that? It's the old joke... How can you tell when a politician is lying? when his lips move.

None of us are going to change the political system by venting on a somewhat eclectic forum. And to be completely candid from what I read here I am quite glad of that fact. 

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2012, 08:30:57 AM »
... Unfortunately, it's impossible to properly judge the true value of a socio-political system when it has never been implemented properly and honestly on a national level.  And I'm not sure if it is logically viable to judge one system by the mores and values espoused in another, especially when using selective historical evidence.

Oh right, the noble commie. To be fair I should have included examples of all the good things people like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot did for their people.
 
But my question for him was, given the level of horror and misery inflicted in the name of Marx so far, why does Mr Shockley seem to assume any poster suggesting a different path may be more prudent is some sort of racist?   
 

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2012, 08:42:15 AM »
"Impossible to properly judge" ... Common sense to Tron, over ... what kind of evidence do you need to see that ANY ATTEMPT to implement Marxist/Leninist/Maoist THEOLOGY - and that is exactly what it is - has resulted in utter misery?

If this is the case then any of you "socialists" who criticize capitalism are out of line as well since, when speaking in of theory,  it has never been properly implemented. I do find it odd, however, that every human being on earth, except those at the top of these socialist utopias, would do anything to get into this country and become a citizen.

You see, any attempt to implement any system is going to have imperfections because human beings, with their egos and self-interests are involved. Yes, this country has had slavery and killed native Americans. We admit it and have made tremendous efforts to rectify those problems. Where else have you seen these kind of measures taken by the majority in power for those who have been mistreated? Right ... nowhere.

The freedoms we're still allowed - until Marxist theology is fully in control here - allows socialists and others who openly criticize our current system to exist and voice their opinions. In fact, if educated you can even be a college professor with the taxpayer footing your day to day existence. Now, if you guys were in charge any person who disagreed with the STATE RELIGION - Marxism etc - would be disenfranchised and sent to a gulag. So much for freedom and equality huh?

"Properly judge" ... you have to be kidding me?

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2012, 09:00:14 AM »
Have you noticed that every fucking talking point the democrats make about housing, jobs, fuel and energy prices, cost of living - a.k.a. you basic economy - parrots what the republicans are saying about it. Thing is the democrats blame the previous administration (3 years and 8 months old now) and the republicans in congress (until recently, a minority in both houses) for the problems.

The US Senate hasn't passed a budget in THREE COMPLETE SESSIONS - a violation of their main duty. Obama can only get things done through the "stacked" courts, or when congress isn't in session or by Executive Order. That is dictatorial.

If congress doesn't allocate the funds then it is not supposed to be paid for. Only congress can authorize the creation of more money - not the fucking federal reserve.

So you totalitarians and socialists should be happy as clams as you have a Caesar/Stalin/Mao/Hitler/Castro/Chavez/Kimmy the Korean in office. In fact you have a Manchurian Candidate running the show. A puppet hand picked to destroy this capitalist system.

Everything they accuse the republicans of they are in fact guilty of - a self-indictment - with only the party name changed. Now, honestly, both parties are guilty but the democrats have put afterburners on steroids. They see the kill shot. Hopefully we can deflect their aim.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2012, 09:03:57 AM »
"Impossible to properly judge" ... Common sense to Tron, over ... what kind of evidence do you need to see that ANY ATTEMPT to implement Marxist/Leninist/Maoist THEOLOGY - and that is exactly what it is - has resulted in utter misery?

If this is the case then any of you "socialists" who criticize capitalism are out of line as well since, when speaking in of theory,  it has never been properly implemented. I do find it odd, however, that every human being on earth, except those at the top of these socialist utopias, would do anything to get into this country and become a citizen.

You see, any attempt to implement any system is going to have imperfections because human beings, with their egos and self-interests are involved. Yes, this country has had slavery and killed native Americans. We admit it and have made tremendous efforts to rectify those problems. Where else have you seen these kind of measures taken by the majority in power for those who have been mistreated? Right ... nowhere.

The freedoms we're still allowed - until Marxist theology is fully in control here - allows socialists and others who openly criticize our current system to exist and voice their opinions. In fact, if educated you can even be a college professor with the taxpayer footing your day to day existence. Now, if you guys were in charge any person who disagreed with the STATE RELIGION - Marxism etc - would be disenfranchised and sent to a gulag. So much for freedom and equality huh?

"Properly judge" ... you have to be kidding me?

Until 1980 it was illegal for an american indian to live in Georgia thanks to the indian removal act.

And I hate how you keep changing the goal post. This isn't about how much nicer we are now than when we killed indians... MORON, the US killed indians... lots of em. Eminent Domain. Apologized? are you fucking kidding me... you are so deluded.

Admit we rectified genocide of Indians and enslavement of africans? we as a nation minimize it every fuckin chance we get. "it was a long time ago" "no one alive now was a slave".

Capitalism is all you know. It is all you care to know. Yeah many south and central Americans want to get here because we do have it better. But not so much from western Europe. And almost all other free societies are much more socialist than we are.

Capitalism is broken and is being just as exploitative. Capitalism is killing us but we have cable so who wants to bother.

Capitalism isn't the answer for everything.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2012, 09:23:12 AM »
Local tv and radio personalities were shocked with the fact that no protesting of any significance occurred here in Tampa during the Republican Convention.  Conjecture abounded from the weather to the lack of public transportation as reasons for no protests.  I think the reasons are much deeper, connected with the current administration and our evolving culture.  The dumbing down of the culture has become so complete that most people would be hard pressed to name more than 4 or 5 US states let alone who the current candidates are and why. 

The balkanization of ethnic groups in the US has destroyed the 'essence of democracy' by making criteria such as skin color or immigration policy the only reason to vote for someone.  It is easier to set up dumb voting criteria for ethnic groups because it removes thought and critical thinking from the equation of life.  Vote for X because he supports Y.  Never mind that you will not be able to feed your children and none of your neighbors have a job.  Y is what is really important.

My wife speaks only Spanish so I watch the Spanish tv channels with her via our local cable company.  The idiotic propoganga-crap that gets religiously spewed from those channels are so extreme that one would never see the equivalent on English channels.  I'm not picking on just the liberals, but the ignorant are taken advantage of, and encouraged to remain ignorant. 

Protesters tend to be critical thinkers.  We have no more Protesters.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2012, 09:44:36 AM »
Local tv and radio personalities were shocked with the fact that no protesting of any significance occurred here in Tampa during the Republican Convention.  Conjecture abounded from the weather to the lack of public transportation as reasons for no protests.  I think the reasons are much deeper, connected with the current administration and our evolving culture.  The dumbing down of the culture has become so complete that most people would be hard pressed to name more than 4 or 5 US states let alone who the current candidates are and why. 

The balkanization of ethnic groups in the US has destroyed the 'essence of democracy' by making criteria such as skin color or immigration policy the only reason to vote for someone.  It is easier to set up dumb voting criteria for ethnic groups because it removes thought and critical thinking from the equation of life.  Vote for X because he supports Y.  Never mind that you will not be able to feed your children and none of your neighbors have a job.  Y is what is really important.

My wife speaks only Spanish so I watch the Spanish tv channels with her via our local cable company.  The idiotic propoganga-crap that gets religiously spewed from those channels are so extreme that one would never see the equivalent on English channels.  I'm not picking on just the liberals, but the ignorant are taken advantage of, and encouraged to remain ignorant. 

Protesters tend to be critical thinkers.  We have no more Protesters.

Maybe I missed something. I don't see your post as picking on liberals. I am a bit concerned about where I think your post is going... towards who can or cannot vote. But I certainly concur stupid people are as much a danger to our society as any other malevolent factor.

I think a section of dissenters are as you rightly state are critical thinkers. I only wish their critical assessments had your clarity. Often times I do not think there is enough clarity. But many of the dissenters are followers with not much else to do. I digress.

Education, Education, Education.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2012, 09:59:42 AM »
As for Palin, I voted for her, not McCain.
this explains the tin foil hat, shirt, pants, shoes, and uhhhhh ... sword? ... in your photo

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2012, 10:05:20 AM »
Maybe I missed something. I don't see your post as picking on liberals. I am a bit concerned about where I think your post is going... towards who can or cannot vote. But I certainly concur stupid people are as much a danger to our society as any other malevolent factor.

I think a section of dissenters are as you rightly state are critical thinkers. I only wish their critical assessments had your clarity. Often times I do not think there is enough clarity. But many of the dissenters are followers with not much else to do. I digress.

Education, Education, Education.

The act of voting, or who should vote are not in question, but rather the means used by our current political system to encourage people to vote for one candidate or another, and its frightening effectiveness.  It is probably not new, but perhaps more systematized and programmatic (blindly flooded with money) where the oversimplification of issues and personalities easily sways voting blocks without much or any intellectual perception or questioning.  I'm generally on the conservative side of issues but I was looking forward to some healthly, articulate debate and peaceful, yet critical protesting to add some discerning context to the Republican message.  The concepts of discernment, analysis, and contextual assessment are becoming less and less apparent in US politics.  Part of it could be due to a return of "malaise" to the collective electorate, or a disconnect from understanding the political process and the important role of non-institutional columns of democracy, i.e., righteous protests.


Lyin Ryan
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2012, 10:07:50 AM »
Listen dipshit, we can't do a fucking thing about what happened in the 1800's with the Indians. It happened and nobody is denying that. They're now a special class with rights simply because they are Indians. How many Cherokee do you know who look like Sequoia or like Sitting Bull? Most I see have an Anglo surname and blue eyes and don't know a fucking word of any native American tongue. Moving the goalposts ... bull fucking shit !!! I've seen a lot of drunk Indians. Who is forcing a bottle down their throat? They have casinos and the stupid Anglo/pale face is giving them money. Sounds sweet especially with the tax breaks and freebies they get. I am paying for government inflicted wrongs and I didn't have a thing to do with it.

As to blacks we've admitted the injustices inflicted on them. Now they are also a special privileged class sa far as I am concerned with every loophole and break the fucking government, who authorized their slavery through Manifest Destiny at one time.

You like "affirmative action" and EEO departments full of women and minorities looking for another rule or policy to apply every fucking day. The target - your white ass and my white ass. So get off this "we're so guilty" and "collective guilt". Take that social engineering/politically correct horseshit and shove it.

Those people, who think they've been 'dissed and I owe them, need to get off their lazy mother fucking asses and stop whining about things they didn't have to suffer. I don't owe those kind of people a fucking thing Onan - my relatives didn't migrate to this country until after 1900. When some mother fucking worthless cocksucker comes over to me and says I owe him something - I'll tell him to go fuck himself or just to suck my fucking dick.

Take your guilt - if you are in fact guilty of something Onan - and suck on it.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2012, 10:23:56 AM »
The act of voting, or who should vote are not in question, but rather the means used by our current political system to encourage people to vote for one candidate or another, and its frightening effectiveness.  It is probably not new, but perhaps more systematized and programmatic (blindly flooded with money) where the oversimplification of issues and personalities easily sways voting blocks without much or any intellectual perception or questioning.  I'm generally on the conservative side of issues but I was looking forward to some healthly, articulate debate and peaceful, yet critical protesting to add some discerning context to the Republican message.  The concepts of discernment, analysis, and contextual assessment are becoming less and less apparent in US politics.  Part of it could be due to a return of "malaise" to the collective electorate, or a disconnect from understanding the political process and the important role of non-institutional columns of democracy, i.e., righteous protests.


Its really nice to read such as well written post Knight. As you can see, this particular place happens to be a location where a lot of things can go "KABOOM !!!". Hard to imagine your post embedded among some of our (almost) usual posts.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2012, 10:29:48 AM »
I just love the righteous indignation of anyone extolling the vile corruption of any tenet of communism and how many died due to its evil influence.

Yet these same dimwits choose to ignore the way the US handled the American Indian population. Or how capitalism got such a big boost from all that free labor also known as slavery.

Not to mention the exploitation of third world countries to gather resources in what any reasoned person would consider problematic... if they took the time to actually learn where their bananas came from.


Oh Ryan is a liar... wow what frikken news is that? It's the old joke... How can you tell when a politician is lying? when his lips move.

None of us are going to change the political system by venting on a somewhat eclectic forum. And to be completely candid from what I read here I am quite glad of that fact. 

To criticize/condemn communism should not be regarded as a complete endorsement of the actions/antics our government and society has taken in the darker eras of its history. Recognizing a wrong is just that - recognizing a wrong. All systems of government and societies have committed actions that are not benevolent. We admit ours. Now by saying that am I denying anyone else has equally confessed to theirs? You tell me.

Lyin Ryan
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2012, 12:11:40 PM »
Yes, it bothers me that he would lie about such a thing.  I didn't hear the interview, but I did hear Hugh Hewitt talking about it, and Hewitt, a runner himself, was impressed.  Why would Ryan lie about his time? If it were me, merely finishing a marathon would be a big enough accomplishment.

As for when the plant closed, my source was a local TV report, and I can't find the link now.  However, this story in the Milwaukee newspaper also says 2009.
http://www.jsonline.com/business/130171578.html