Art Bell

[Gumby, Dammit]

I know the body of evidence, better than many, not as well as some.  But well enough that I can confidently assert that there's no case of willful deceit in the last 20 years of Art's career.   That's a whole helluva lot more than "I have suspicions therefore they must be true."  That's how people fall into the "Moon landing was hoaxed" fallacy.

Faulty logic. You don't know that it really happened. You are suspicious that it did and nothing more 

[norland2424]

Question: IS massa going to sell us tomorrow?

[Gumby, Dammit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE5xZKszXMQ

[PB the Deplorable]

Do you remember what show that was?? Do you remember what show this call was?

No.  During the run up to Midnight in the Desert I realized I was done with Art Bell, and never listened to a single show.  Him saying that was posted and discussed here, although it may have even been one of his posts here or on Facebook and not actually on the show itself.

After the Sirius fiasco and the way that was handled, then after the two years is up Art is coming back but threatening to not do the show because of bumper music, threatening to not do the show because of a misunderstanding with Keith over some triviality, then the show finally starts and a series of 'surprises' and 'big announcements' coming 'next week' that never amounted to much, on and on, it was just too much, at least for me. 

Art likes drama, he likes attention, he likes jerking people around.  He likes doing a show - until he doesn't.  And that's all fine, he should be himself, but he should understand not everyone is appreciative of it.

[Richard Groyper]

Skepticism means "allowing the data to speak for itself," and on one hand we have 20 years of data showing us that Art has never lied to us, and on the other hand we have some (perhaps understandable) paranoia and our butthurt feelings but zero evidence that any of this situation has been misrepresented in any way.

Perhaps it is easier, on an emotional level, to prefer the idea that it's not true, than it is to face the miserable reality that it's both very real and we can do nothing about it.  No doubt this is why so many victims who report their crimes aren't believed, even by their own families sometimes.

But the only rational skeptical position to take is that this is what it appears to be, until we have some actual evidence to the contrary.  Because "suspicion" isn't the same as "skepticism."  More often than not, "suspicion" is just a form of self-deception.  And in this case, it must be very hurtful for Art and his family to have to deal with dozens of pages of fury and wild accusations from us, while waiting around the house wondering if/when this rat fink coward will be back to terrorize them.

You seem to think BG posters 'owe' Art, something. Spreading lies about him is one thing; discussing what may or may not have happened? That's fair game. Feelings are irrelevant in this case. Art is not required to log on and read posts.

[SciFiAuthor]

I asked before: How well do you personally know him?

Have you sat down to listen to your first Art Bell show yet?

[Theodora]

I'll try to track it down, I believe it was an early open lines and I believe it was talked about a bunch in the live thread. I think it was open lines because Art kept taking calls fuming about that caller for awhile and I think it was within the first two months of the show which means one of eight episodes.

I remember that incident too and I think the guy that said he had moved near Art was the same guy. I am looking/listening now.

[Element 115]

Have you sat down to listen to your first Art Bell show yet?

Upper right worthy.  Friggin kek

[Richard Groyper]

Oh, that's racisss

[Dateline]

I remember the call, it was the Friday night with multiple open lines.  The call was something like:  "Your biggest addiction".  It was a male and commented eerily to Art.  I heard the call and radars went off in my mind wondering if that could be the stalker.

Norry, only has alleged folks that want to adore him, or that is what a little mouse told me at an Los Angeles conference last year.

[Yorkshire pud]

I know the body of evidence, better than many, not as well as some.  But well enough that I can confidently assert that there's no case of willful deceit in the last 20 years of Art's career.  That's a whole helluva lot more than "I have suspicions therefore they must be true."  That's how people fall into the "Moon landing was hoaxed" fallacy.

Exactly what body of 'evidence' is it you're privy to? You're a conspiracy theorist of repute looking at your posts; and from my experience the threshold for having things as 'the truth' with CT's comes somewhere lower than a fairy tail..

[Chronaut]

Can't help be suspicious of that very thing. Recall when right before Art started on Sirius, Bellgab was suddenly in-fluxed with asswipes especially the Gnoory asswipe (KING of asswipes) in addition to all kinds of weird shit going on with Sirius. In fact that sort of thing preceded each one of Art's decisions to leave the mic (save for the bad-back thing, but there actually WAS crap going on against him during that time...) This time around it was stalkers, 4Chan puss-stains, gunshots in the night and who knows what else. Maybe Art just got tired of all that shit and said fuck it. Not worth it. For all we know the whole thing with the gunner-in-the-shadows was just the tip of the iceberg and there were goings-on that he could never bring forth on the air.

Your logic is inverted, which is weird.  Because BellGab was in fact flooded with freaksome activity right before he started his Sirius show.  And you yourself admit "there actually WAS crap going on against him during that time."  So the past informs us that the forces that want Art off the air are real.

So what makes you think that if Art didn't want to do the show anymore, he wouldn't just say "I don't want to do the show anymore" and leave?  It makes no sense.  Because if he intended to hang it up for good, he'd have *nothing* to lose by telling us the truth.

None of the circumstantial arguments hold up logically.  Maybe it's more fun to turn it into a mystery / conspiracy theory, so we have something more to talk about...I dunno.  But casting aspersions against Art strikes me as irrational, wicked, and selfish.

[munbeam666]

HoaglandGab just doesn't sound right.

how about hoaxgab?

[Gumby, Dammit]

Your logic is inverted, which is weird.  Because BellGab was in fact flooded with freaksome activity right before he started his Sirius show.  And you yourself admit "there actually WAS crap going on against him during that time."  So the past informs us that the forces that want Art off the air are real.

So what makes you think that if Art didn't want to do the show anymore, he wouldn't just say "I don't want to do the show anymore" and leave?  It makes no sense.  Because if he intended to hang it up for good, he'd have *nothing* to lose by telling us the truth.

None of the circumstantial arguments hold up logically.  Maybe it's more fun to turn it into a mystery / conspiracy theory, so we have something more to talk about...I dunno.  But casting aspersions against Art strikes me as irrational, wicked, and selfish.

Go back and read my post again.
Invert your eyeballs first.

[Philosopher]

how about hoaxgab?

Better.  also perhaps, "DickGab"

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I remember that incident too and I think the guy that said he had moved near Art was the same guy. I am looking/listening now.

I'm looking through the live threads to see if I can find it. I know it was a topic for like two pages and then came up again.

[Gumby, Dammit]

No.  During the run up to Midnight in the Desert I realized I was done with Art Bell, and never listened to a single show.  Him saying that was posted and discussed here, although it may have even been one of his posts here or on Facebook and not actually on the show itself.

After the Sirius fiasco and the way that was handled, then after the two years is up Art is coming back but threatening to not do the show because of bumper music, threatening to not do the show because of a misunderstanding with Keith over some triviality, then the show finally starts and a series of 'surprises' and 'big announcements' coming 'next week' that never amounted to much, on and on, it was just too much, at least for me. 

Art likes drama, he likes attention, he likes jerking people around.  He likes doing a show - until he doesn't.  And that's all fine, he should be himself, but he should understand not everyone is appreciative of it.

I missed some of that stuff....but heard it after the fact...and now that you put it all this way, all I can say is....HMMMMMM...because it's starting to make more sense. In my mind, it doesn't seem any amount of personal troubles would account for some of these antics. It's all so freakin weird.

[Chronaut]

Faulty logic. You don't know that it really happened. You are suspicious that it did and nothing more 

My logic is based on facts, how about yours?

On the fact side, we have

1.)  Art's on-air statements about the goings-on at his place over the last few months.  Those things were said.  You can question the truth of those statements, but given the absence of lies in Art's history, I'm comfortable taking them at face value.  Especially considering

2.)  The Nye County Police Department issued a press release that confirms Art's statements:
https://www.facebook.com/Nye-County-Sheriffs-Office-512916855518161/

and of course there's

3.)  Heather Wade, his producer, also confirming Art's statements.

On your side you have:

1.)  Your own suspicions and butthurt feelings.

Oops, those are facts.

See how that works?

[Value Of Pi]

The 'uptalk' combined with her 'vocal fry' affectation, makes her essentially unlistenable, anywhere outside of NPR or college radio.

Vocal fry...so that's what it's called. Learned something here. I keep saying you guys are smart, and darn it, i'm sticking to that! I'm also glad to see that while most here are actually nice people (deep down, sometimes very deep down), they're also frank enough to be honest about Redacted's radio skills and talents (and lack thereof) in spite of or because of all the shared affection for her.

I'll say this again. Neither Art nor the people here who keep saying how great our new host is are doing anybody any favors. The day that PC crap becomes the norm here is the day this place loses its raison d'etre. So let's keep supporting Art and Heather -- by telling them the truth as we believe it to be.

[Dateline]

Art also commented on something that I thought was strange.  He said something about those folks wanting to know what he had for dinner that day and even what he wanted in his coffee.  He referred to the vaguely loveable group, and that he thought it was a bit much.  This was right after the eerie telephone call, where he was addicted to Art.

[Gumby, Dammit]

My logic is based on facts, how about yours?

On the fact side, we have

1.)  Art's on-air statements about the goings-on at his place over the last few months.  Those things were said.  You can question the truth of those statements, but given the absence of lies in Art's history, I'm comfortable taking them at face value.  Especially considering

2.)  The Nye County Police Department issued a press release that confirms Art's statements:
https://www.facebook.com/Nye-County-Sheriffs-Office-512916855518161/

and of course there's

3.)  Heather Wade, his producer, also confirming Art's statements.

On your side you have:

1.)  Your own suspicions and butthurt feelings.

Oops, those are facts.

See how that works?

Dude...I was referring to your comment on the moon landing....see?

Invert invert!

Laugh baby laugh!

[Yorkshire pud]

Your logic is inverted, which is weird.  Because BellGab was in fact flooded with freaksome activity right before he started his Sirius show.  And you yourself admit "there actually WAS crap going on against him during that time."  So the past informs us that the forces that want Art off the air are real.

What is your evidence of these 'forces'?

So what makes you think that if Art didn't want to do the show anymore, he wouldn't just say "I don't want to do the show anymore" and leave?  It makes no sense.  Because if he intended to hang it up for good, he'd have *nothing* to lose by telling us the truth.

He likes the drama; and the affiliates wouldn't stand for just 'I don't want o do this anymore'

None of the circumstantial arguments hold up logically.  Maybe it's more fun to turn it into a mystery / conspiracy theory, so we have something more to talk about...I dunno.  But casting aspersions against Art strikes me as irrational, wicked, and selfish.

You're the CT; you tell us. Then look at what is more logical; the police dropping the case of someone alleging he's being shot at, or mounting a thorough investigation..unless you think the local police also part of the 'force'?

[Gumby, Dammit]

Jesus in ripped, shit-stained underwear everybody! Art's pulled the plug for good.

Right?


LOL

[Inglorious Bitch]

Better.  also perhaps, "DickGab"

That wouldn't work. Too easily confused with the porn site Dickgrab.com

[Gumby, Dammit]

That wouldn't work. Too easily confused with the porn site Dickgrab.com

Heh x2 

[SciFiAuthor]

No.  During the run up to Midnight in the Desert I realized I was done with Art Bell, and never listened to a single show. 

[Inglorious Bitch]

Heh x2 

Glad you're so easily amused!

[Dateline]

This is what I want to hear on the Dark Matter Radio Network, Art and Keith.

Let Heather have a hour or two pre-MITD show.  Give Hoagland MITD hours.  The follow-up show would be selected from the podcasts/shows already on Dark Matter Radio Network by submitting a letter of interest and then be interviewed or selected by a committee of Art, Keith, and MV.

[Inglorious Bitch]

This is what I want to hear on the Dark Matter Radio Network, Art and Keith.

Let Heather have a hour or two pre-MITD show.  Give Hoagland MITD hours.  The follow-up show would be selected from the podcasts/shows already on Dark Matter Radio Network by submitting a letter of interest and then be interviewed or selected by a committee of Art, Keith, and MV.

Love the new avatar!

[Gumby, Dammit]

Probably because he (PB) checked out the lame-ass guest list before each show. Can't blame him for not wanting to listen really.