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Quote from: West of the Rockies on October 22, 2014, 11:50:46 AM
You are not of the body...

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Can't tell you how often I wake up in the morning with Landru hair... It gets worse the more gray I get.

Quote from: West of the Rockies on October 22, 2014, 03:42:50 PM
Can't tell you how often I wake up in the morning with Landru hair... It gets worse the more gray I get.

Sounds like your hair needs more of the Body.

Quote from: West of the Rockies on October 22, 2014, 03:42:50 PM
Can't tell you how often I wake up in the morning with Landru hair... It gets worse the more gray I get.
i knew that had a name. post a pic or gtfo!  ;D


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Quote from: VtaGeezer on October 22, 2014, 09:44:26 AM
Boo-fucking-hoo.  The guy is a world-class hypocrite.  Abbot still collects about $200K/yr on a 30 yr old accidental injury ($6M to date) but as TX AG he supported tort "reform" that limits Texans' compensation for a similar injury today to a ridiculous $250K.  I'd say that if he foregoes further payment, she should drop the ad.

I don't know a thing about the guy.  He means nothing to me.

This is about the ad and the woman running the ad.

albrecht

Why discuss this at all? I felt bad about waiting in line to early vote yesterday. Major Ed Dames has confirmed there will be no election this year.

Gd5150

In CA when you vote you get jury duty within 90 days. I'm 3 for 3 in the last 3 elections.

Those lovable Democrats are at it again. 

http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/23/maryland-democrats-play-the-race-card-in-latest-mailer/

Someone in Maryland needs to remind the voters which Party it was that stood for segregation, poll taxes, literacy tests, and the rest. 

That the Democrat Party in Maryland thinks they can get away with pining it on the Republicans - and they are probably right about that - means the whole country needs to be reminded.

I bet a lot of people who vote Democrat now would be shocked.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 23, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
Someone in Maryland needs to remind the voters which Party it was that stood for segregation, poll taxes, literacy tests, and the rest. 

I know that it is one of your cherished beliefs that because Democrats believed those things 100 years or more ago, that they believe them now.  So I won't try to talk you out of it.

Talking to myself, though, I would say that it was a particular TYPE of person that were members of the Democratic party, for historical reasons, and that people with that type of mentality TODAY belong almost exclusively to the Republican party, or points further right.

Still talking to myself, I would wonder why even a semi-literate immigrant of humble education can understand this, while it eludes a nabob of facts and reasoning like Paper*Boy.

Quote from: DigitalPigSnuggler on October 23, 2014, 02:48:56 PM
I know that it is one of your cherished beliefs that because Democrats believed those things 100 years or more ago, that they believe them now.  So I won't try to talk you out of it...

Of course there are true racists around.  I would suggest the majority of them are in the Black community, and maybe some there have good reason for being so.  White racists are nearly all low level losers, hardly in a position to suppress anyone - of the ones that vote, they likely vote in both parties about equally.


The 1960s weren't 100 years ago.  Continuing to elect Klan leader Robert Byrd as Senate Majority Leader as recently as 1989 wasn't 100 years ago.  When he got to old to do that, but apparently not too old to stay on as Senator, they created the titles of President pro tempore, then President pro tempore Emeritus of the Senate until he finally resigned in 2010 for him.  He was held in very high regard.  That wasn't 100 years ago either.

This Party spent 100 years supporting Segregation, using blacks to scare whites into voting for them.  Now they've flipped and use whites to scare blacks into voting for them.  They are the race baiters.  They are the ones that keep the country divided.  They are the ones who are keeping us from racial harmony in this country.  They are the ones telling little black kids they don't have a chance in life. 

That is today, not 100 years ago.  Nothing has really changed.

albrecht

The Vermont debates are worth youtubing. Not as good as the great Idaho debate, but some awesome characters. Actually I like the. Id rather have some "crazies" running than debates controlled by polical handlers and makeup artists and whose only "zingers" consist of either how great, or bad, abortion is or how much I disagree with Obama (these even Dems using this talking point.)

3OctaveFart

Our modern-day Nero that no one seems to understand is a moderate.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obama-is-a-republican/

albrecht

Bush appointee and, of course, major reason for throwing out case is problems for future IRS takings.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/irs-tea-party-legal-victory-112145.html

Quote from: 3OctaveFart on October 23, 2014, 05:26:05 PM
Our modern-day Nero that no one seems to understand is a moderate.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obama-is-a-republican/

A very intriguing article.  Well, there's money in them thar hills of painting O out to be a socialist.

b_dubb

the Dems are Republicans.  the Republicans are plutocrats.  the Libertarians are conservative.  the Tea Party is a front for the Chinese Communist Party.


VtaGeezer

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 23, 2014, 03:09:37 PM
The 1960s weren't 100 years ago....

So how long, then, should the Republican Party live in shame for giving America its worst President since James Buchanan, paired with the hands-down all-time worst VP just a few short years ago in 2000.   I favor an Exodus level shame; the GOP should be sent to wander the (Iraq) desert until every soul who voted for Bush and Cheney is dust. 

Quote from: West of the Rockies on October 23, 2014, 06:51:37 PM
A very intriguing article.  Well, there's money in them thar hills of painting O out to be a socialist.

The idea that Obama is a moderate Republican in the Nixon mode is hardly new, but the depth of analysis in this article is impressive.  And from a conservative site, no less. 

The problem is not with the conservative mindset.  It's with retards who are congenitally or ideologically unable to read anything longer than a paragraph.  It's comical, and sad, that Americans think like this, because they have among the best educational opportunities available in the world.  Yet, they choose the soft comfort of being neocon retards.

I blame inbreeding.  They should all be gassed.

Quote from: 3OctaveFart on October 23, 2014, 05:26:05 PM
Our modern-day Nero that no one seems to understand is a moderate.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obama-is-a-republican/

In the time before the interwebs, that kind of thoughtful, objective analysis was the norm rather than the rare exception.  Thanks for posting that, 3OF!

albrecht

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 23, 2014, 08:08:20 PM

A person can always tell what the Left is up to by seeing what they accuse everyone else of. 

Lately, they've been insisting the Republicans are somehow 'Far-Right'.  Which is consistent with the fact that the D's have become Far-Left.  Because they made the Far-Right accusation first, when people come to realize it's actually the D's who are Far-Left and say so, it just sounds like more political posturing, and we get the same old both-sides-do-it claim.

The fact is, the Far-Left HAS seized the Democrat Party.  They don't represent the little guy, the working man anymore.  Just the opposite.  As a Party, they are gone, well past the tipping point.  The Establishment Republicans have become the Big Government Liberal Party (when is the last time they've talked about repealing ObamaCare or reducing the size of government?).  The Establishment Republicans have always had this tendency, but they aren't even trying to pretend they are Conservatives anymore

The only group left that represents the plurality of Americans is the Tea Party.  They are the only ones that give a hoot about the Constitution, the country, our heritage, our economy.  Everyon else is just out to get what they can from Uncle Sap.
The democrats werent seized, a gradual program (Frankfurt, Fabian, Gramsci etc) the republicans were more "lost" when constitutionalists, Christians, veterans, and normal people started to say: "wtf." Is happening to our country? Why we need so many wars? Why are only banks, including foreign banks, and large businesses to-big-to-fail? Why are weird sexual deviants (by government CDC own studies) such a focus for government spending and Court proclamatins? Why more concern for illegals than citizens- much more than for veterans even (get on the secret list, sir.) And so on.

Quote from: 3OctaveFart on October 23, 2014, 05:26:05 PM
Our modern-day Nero that no one seems to understand is a moderate.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obama-is-a-republican/

Keep in mind all magazines print opposing viewpoints from contributors.  That the name of the magazine is The American Conservative does not mean every single piece necessarily speaks for all, or even most, Conservatives, and Conservatives do not march in lockstep on all issues.

There is some truth in this, some false information, some things taken out of context, some picking and choosing from what various Conservatives and Republicans and others have said, and some confusion between Conservatives and Republicans.

He chose to highlight a handful of issues, but he sure left out a lot of others.

But the overall theme that Obama is somehow a sort of Moderate to Liberal Republican is false. 

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 23, 2014, 08:51:33 PM
Keep in mind all magazines print opposing viewpoints from contributors.  That the name of the magazine is The American Conservative does not mean every single piece necessarily speaks for all, or even most, Conservatives, and Conservatives do not march in lockstep on all issues.

There is some truth in this, some false information, some things taken out of context, some picking and choosing from what various Conservatives and Republicans and others have said, and some confusion between Conservatives and Republicans.

He chose to highlight a handful of issues, but he sure left out a lot of others.

But the overall theme that Obama is somehow a sort of Moderate to Liberal Republican is false.

Are you angry, bitter, and resentful all the time, or do you save it for BellGab?

And what's the "false information" you mentioned?  Is his credibility an issue here?

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on October 23, 2014, 09:15:11 PM
Are you angry, bitter, and resentful all the time, or do you save it for BellGab?...

Oh, it depends.  I'm frustrated watching my country being deliberately destroyed.  And to make it worse, the opposition party has a bunch of climbers at the helm - instead of leaders - who are too weak, inept, and selfish to do anything about it.

But most of the time, heh, I'm my usual happy-go-lucky self. 


Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on October 23, 2014, 09:15:11 PM
... And what's the "false information" you mentioned?  Is his credibility an issue here?


That thing was too long and boring to go through point by point, but here are a couple examples:

"Race: I think almost everyone, including me, thought the election of our first black president would lead to new efforts to improve the dismal economic condition of African-Americans. In fact, Obama has seldom touched on the issue of race, and when he has he has emphasized the conservative themes of responsibility and self-help. Even when Republicans have suppressed minority voting, in a grotesque campaign to fight nonexistent voter fraud, Obama has said and done nothing."


Seldom touched on the issue of race?  He's injected himself into Ferguson, Trayvon Martin, the arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr.  He's had Eric Holder fight voter ID laws all over the country, claiming they are somehow 'racist'.  One of the very first things he did as President was to end the prosecution of the New Black Panthers that had intimidated white voters at a Philadelphia voting place - at the time the case was almost wrapped up

I could go on.  Just because he has his minions doing some of this doesn't mean he is not aware, approving, and guiding it.


And the bit about Republicans suppressing the minority vote.  Jesus I'm tired of the race baiting, no matter who it comes from.  Presenting an ID in order to vote is common sense, not the suppression of minority voting.  Who the hell doesn't have an ID and can't get one?  As far as voter fraud, there has been plenty, including stolen elections, so wtf is this guy talking about?

And by the way, I don't ever remember Obama 'stressing the themes of responsibility and self help'.  Then again, I try my best to avoid his speeches.  Perhaps someone can point out when and where he has done this



Here is another one:

Corporate profits: Despite Republican harping about Obama being anti-business, corporate profits and the stock market have risen to record levels during his administration. Even those progressives who defend Obama against critics on the left concede that he has bent over backward to protect corporate profits. As Theda Skocpol and Lawrence Jacobs put it: “In practice, [Obama] helped Wall Street avert financial catastrophe and furthered measures to support businesses and cater to mainstream public opinion. …  He has always done so through specific policies that protect and further opportunities for businesses to make profits...”

Obama doesn't get credit for corporate profits, unless someone can point out his policies that helped generate those results.  The truth is, all the money being pumped into the economy has to go somewhere.  Some of it flows through existing Fortune 500 companies in the form of sales that wouldn't have otherwise been made, and some of it flows into the stock market with the effect of raising the prices of stocks.  Because of the poor economy and massive immigration, wages have stagnated - increasing profits.  Because of the lousy economy and the uncertainty of health insurance cost increases due to ObamaCare, these companies aren't hiring the way they would in a normal economy - increasing profits.

I could go on

Or how about this one:

Iraq/Afghanistan/ISIS

... Although Obama followed through on George W. Bush’s commitment to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq in 2011, in 2014 he announced a new campaign against ISIS, an Islamic militant group based in Syria and Iraq.


He bailed out of Iraq before ensuring they were militarily secure with a Status of Forces Agreement.  It seems clear he didn't want one.  This vacuum is what led to the reorg of al-Qaeda-in-Iraq into ISIS.  Hardly a follow-through of Bush II's policies.

And as far as the campaign against ISIS, it is almost completely ineffective.  And it is meant to be.  He only agreed to do (less than) the minimum due to the uproar just ahead of the election.  No airstrikes when they could have been effective, no help for the Kurds - who are our long-time allies and are willing to fight.  His big plan is to spend a year 'training' some Syrian rebels we don't even trust.  A year.


There's more, but you get the idea. 


His credibility?  I certainly don't respect this column


Quote from: VtaGeezer on October 23, 2014, 07:00:08 PM
So how long, then, should the Republican Party live in shame for giving America its worst President since James Buchanan...

I'm with you on that, and I'll go you one better.  George W Bush was the very worst President ever.  Through 2012.  (I guess we aren't going to agree that Obama has surpassed him.)

As penance, how about every single Republican in the House and Senate leadership be required to resign and drop out of politics completely?  Everyone at Republican Party HQ, and all the consultants and 'architects' like Karl Rove?  Sounds like a good start.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 23, 2014, 10:44:43 PM
Oh, it depends.  I'm frustrated watching my country being deliberately destroyed. 
Yeah, we hear a lot of that nonsense now from you ideologues who were mysteriously AWOL when your side did run the WH for 8 yrs. got us into two dead-end wars and damn near destroyed the economy.  You sound like a Noory guest; talking doomsday but really pushing snake oil, in your case, that political Carnivora called conservatism.  What will it take for you to see that we tried your stuff and it gave us a damn near fatal case of the runs.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 23, 2014, 08:51:33 PM
Keep in mind all magazines print opposing viewpoints from contributors.  That the name of the magazine is The American Conservative does not mean every single piece necessarily speaks for all, or even most, Conservatives, and Conservatives do not march in lockstep on all issues.

Odd that, because you and others lump everyone who disagrees with your ideologies as being followers of Alinsky, or liberals, or commies or some other word to be used pejoratively.

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There is some truth in this, some false information, some things taken out of context, some picking and choosing from what various Conservatives and Republicans and others have said, and some confusion between Conservatives and Republicans.

He chose to highlight a handful of issues, but he sure left out a lot of others.

But the overall theme that Obama is somehow a sort of Moderate to Liberal Republican is false.

He isn't a Marxist either. Now, who would say that?  ::)

Quote from: VtaGeezer on October 24, 2014, 12:01:57 AM
Yeah, we hear a lot of that nonsense now from you ideologues who were mysteriously AWOL when your side did run the WH for 8 yrs. got us into two dead-end wars and damn near destroyed the economy.  You sound like a Noory guest; talking doomsday but really pushing snake oil, in your case, that political Carnivora called conservatism.  What will it take for you to see that we tried your stuff and it gave us a damn near fatal case of the runs.

What are you talking about?  Bush was no Conservative. 

Those Big Government Globalist Establishment Republicans under Rove are the same people we were fighting in the Primaries this year.  The only reason we vote for them in the General Election is because the Democrats are so much worse.  Hell, if it had been Hilary in 2008 I very likely would have voted for her over McCain

Since you claim to be a former Conservative, you should have known Bush was a phony Conservative straight off.  What did you think Conservatism was when you were one?  Even Democrats claim to be some form of Conservative when they run, doesn't mean they are either, it's just a lie to get elected.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 24, 2014, 01:12:28 AM
What are you talking about?  Bush was no Conservative. 

Those Big Government Globalist Establishment Republicans under Rove are the same people we were fighting in the Primaries this year.  The only reason we vote for them in the General Election is because the Democrats are so much worse.  Hell, if it had been Hilary in 2008 I very likely would have voted for her over McCain

Since you claim to be a former Conservative, you should have known Bush was a phony Conservative straight off.  What did you think Conservatism was when you were one?  Even Democrats claim to be some form of Conservative when they run, doesn't mean they are either, it's just a lie to get elected.

In short then: No-one is conservative (currently or retrospectively) if they screw up, or any other reason you decide and can't be conservative unless you say they are? BUT, you think it's okay for you to selectively decide who is and isn't a Marxist, follower of Alinsky (who almost no-one has heard of until you mentioned him), even if they're not? Got it.


You're funny PB, you are. ;D

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on October 24, 2014, 12:50:27 AM
Odd that, because you and others lump everyone who disagrees with your ideologies as being followers of Alinsky, or liberals, or commies or some other word to be used pejoratively...


We mostly agree on what we see as the important issues.

There are plenty of Conservatives that believe abortion should be legal, that pot should be legal, that are in favor of gay marriage.  There are disputes whether we should enter various wars (like Iraq after 9/11, or even against ISIS now).  Whether we should protect our workers and industries from foreign goods, or discourage the exporting of jobs by taking counter measures). 

Whether we should go to a flat tax, a consumption tax, stick with a revamped income tax, and so on.  Whether we should get rid of the Fed, which Federal Departments to eliminate if any, how to deal with the National Debt.  What we should be doing to protect the environment, how much involvement in the economy the government should have

Those are just a few things we differ on.  It's a real philosophy with real people who each have their own opinions on a variety of issues.


What we all believe in is our Constitutional form of Government - which is supposed to be small and unobtrusive - including low taxes.  The right to the fruit of our labor, and the related rights of personal property and free exchange.  The rule of law and not decrees by a dictator.  Equality under the law and opportunity for all - including personal responsibility.  Peace thru a strength - a strong military armed to the teeth that can fight and win wars in 2 separate theaters at a time, plus a regional war.

How people get that confused with Bush II and the current Republicans in DC, I'll never know.  I'd like to chalk it up to ignorance rather than dishonesty.

Yes, followers of Alinsky, the Left (the 'Commies' you mention), Liberals to a certain extent, don't believe in those things.  They are the ones attacking and trying to destroy what we have (note I said Libs are part of this, but only to a certain extent.  They don't actually hate the country the way the 'Progressives' and the others do - they are mostly confused 'do-gooders')


So, not odd at all


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