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Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 25, 2014, 10:14:02 PM

A 'real American' would not have been sitting in Rev Wrights racist Marxist Black Liberation Theology church all those years, harboring hate, anger, and resentment for the US.  Nor would a 'real American' support failed ideas imported from Europe such as Marxism and Socialism.

I'd say the level of lawlessness going on in this Administration are not the actions of 'real Americans'.   

Supporting Sunni Jihad when he can, the saturation spying campaign and setting up a police state, siccing the IRS on political enemies, thumbing his nose at court decisions, ignoring some laws he doesn't like and unilaterally changing others, ignoring the limits to his office, ignoring separation of powers, abusing Executive Orders and Executive Privilege, abandoning his ambassador in Benghazi, running guns to the Mexican Narco-terrorists...  Barrack Obama is not one of us.

We all know what a real American isn't.  I'd like to know what one is, because there are sure a lot of people of all persuasions and preferences, whose idea of patriotism may differ from yours or mine, but who passionately love this country and everything its best ideals represent.  Where do you draw the line?

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 25, 2014, 10:18:13 PM

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with her comments on the YouTube video I linked, but I'm glad the Washington DC Rep is a non-voting member of the House.  Too bad she isn't a non-speaking member

Your eagerness to disavow any knowledge of the matter strongly suggests that you have intimate knowledge you're unwilling to divulge (steamy homemade sex tapes, perhaps?).  If you're hiding anything, it's best if you confess it now, because the cover up is always worse than the crime.

onan

I am so tired of people claiming they can define any euphemism.

To be an American is to be anyone born on the American continent. Perhaps what one means is who it truly patriotic to the United States. Even more fun.

And one more thing, I am really sick of people that post democratic politicians saying stupid things, many times out of context, yet dishonestly overlook republican politicians that do the same thing. Fuck you guys.


Quote from: onan on July 25, 2014, 10:59:30 PM
I am so tired of people claiming they can define any euphemism.

There wasn't a seventies game show called "Define That Euphemism," but there should have been. Hosted by Wink Martindale or Bert Convey, with Karen Valentine, Jack Klugman, Mac Davis, Wayland Flowers and Madame, Barbi Benton, Nipsey Russell, Rip Taylor, Carol Wayne, Paul Wiliams, Ruth Buzzi, Nancy Walker, Charles Nelson Reilly, Rosie Grier, Louis Nye, Kitty Carlisle, and The Unknown Comic as the rotating stable of panelists, and the legendary Ira Skutch as producer, it would have been game show gold!


Quote from: onan on July 25, 2014, 10:59:30 PM
... And one more thing, I am really sick of people that post democratic politicians saying stupid things, many times out of context, yet dishonestly overlook republican politicians that do the same thing. Fuck you guys.


You mean like Rep Hank 'Dipshit' Johnson (D-Georgia) wondering if Guam might capsize if additional military material is transferred there?  An oldie but a goodie.

Yes, I can see how these clips would be annoying.

Congressman Hank Johnson fears Guam will tip over, March 25, 2010


onan

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 26, 2014, 01:32:08 AM

You mean like Rep Hank 'Dipshit' Johnson (D-Georgia) wondering if Guam might capsize if additional military material is transferred there?  An oldie but a goodie.

Yes, I can see how these clips would be annoying.

Congressman Hank Johnson fears Guam will tip over, March 25, 2010

We have already been down this road, sorry your selective memory is failing.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 25, 2014, 05:54:59 PM
I'm not interested in joining the argument, but I would like to know what characteristics, other than birth or naturalization (and correct me if I'm wrong about naturalization), make a person a "real American."


Oh goody I can teach my brother something at last!! A Real Americanâ,,¢ isn't a Communist, liberal in thought or deed, or a woman who can think, or   who disagrees with everything that the 90% percentile of Real Americansâ,,¢ think and do.

I thought you'd know that bro!  8) 

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on July 25, 2014, 06:14:10 PM
relatives in various States and places, etc.

Well that discounts about 80% of the population. There are those who haven't any family outside the county they were born in. Appalachian folk will be on the first boat out...which will come as a surprise 'what's dat der thang?' 

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Now, legally, once you are born here or are naturalized you are an American Citizen. But not a "real one." Of course, I also think you should have to own real property,

Well that gets rid of a lot more...

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be literate,

That's another 49 million out... 14% of US adults are functionally illiterate.

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and not be an employee of the government or net gainer when filing personal income tax  to vote in national elections and Senators should not be popularly elected.

It's going to be a lonely place for you...

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And no standing army except the National Guard in each State and keep our nuclear deterrent up-to-date to dissuade invasion. So there!

As you've depopulated the country so much it's likely you won't have enough to form a battalion let alone an army.

Quote from: onan on July 26, 2014, 01:34:40 AM
We have already been down this road, sorry your selective memory is failing.


It's for the new lissners, as George would say.

And to be fair, after huddling with his handlers he later claimed he meant it as a 'metaphor' and as 'a hilarious comment'

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on July 26, 2014, 01:45:49 AM

Oh goody I can teach my brother something at last!! A Real Americanâ,,¢ isn't a Communist, liberal in thought or deed, or a woman who can think, or   who disagrees with everything that the 90% percentile of Real Americansâ,,¢ think and do.

I thought you'd know that bro!  8)


To me an American is someone who works hard, and values the opportunity we have here - as opposed to those who are looking for the next handout, or opportunity to rip someone off, or who favor and try to force equal of outcomes over equal opportunity.

An American believes in a persons right to the fruit of their labor and property rights, freedom of exchange, personal responsibility, limited government and low taxes, and the rule of law.  These are the principles the nation was founded on.  This is the great American Experiment.


There are many people around the world who have never even been here who are Americans in spirit, and many born and raised here who are not - including the current occupant of the White House.

Sorry Pud, nothing in there about gender or race.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 26, 2014, 02:12:31 AM

There are many people around the world who have never even been here who are Americans in spirit,


What horseshit. America isn't the centre of civilisation, far from it. Almost all current US citizens are descended or direct emigrees from other countries. There isn't anything that is older than 250 years that says 'Made in America'. Everything that the current America was built on was imported. Politics, education, law, medicine, science, engineering, music, art, society, roads, infrastructure, railways, electricity, et al...

Yes, it is an experiment; an anthropological one, and one day when it's grown out of adolescence and stops believing that the only life worth living is in it's own bedroom it will grow up into a mature adult, and realise the rest of the house isn't just to throw it's discarded pizza boxes and coke cans, dirty clothes; and begin to respect the other occupants and their right to a tidy and peaceful place.

So when you say American in spirit, you actually mean that America has had it's spirit grown from the rest of the world.

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Sorry Pud, nothing in there about gender or race.

I didn't mention race; and gender is relevant. Pro/ anti abortion is roughly split down the far right Real Americans and those who are presumably not Real Americans. As women generally (well okay exclusively) are the ones who have babies, I'd say they're being disregarded by those who consider their feelings as an irrelevance.

albrecht

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 25, 2014, 10:14:34 PM
If there's anyone who's in favor of all that, I'd like to meet him or her just so I could see what real batshit crazy looks like up close, but you jumped the topic rails a little.  Getting back on track, do you meet all your criteria for the right to call yourself a real American?  You made it sound like an all or nothing proposition.
Well, I'm only speculating and engaging in a bit of "if I were king" etc but, to your question: yes. Though I actually do support not voting, and didn't when it was thrust and encourage by teachers etc as soon as one has reached legal age, until one is informed and has an actual reasonable skin in the game. Somebody supported by their parents, the state, or somebody else has no business voting in national elections. That is why I think actually owning real property is a good criteria since reasonable things like literacy (both language and in civics) has been deemed illegal. And, again, in pure speculation and impossible to go back I would say the country would be better off if there was no historical slavery and immigration from non-WASP areas. And those countries would also be better off since talented, inspired, and motivated individuals would have improved the lot in their country. So there!

onan

Quote from: albrecht on July 26, 2014, 05:05:34 AM
Somebody supported by their parents, the state, or somebody else has no business voting in national elections. That is why I think actually owning real property is a good criteria since reasonable things like literacy (both language and in civics) has been deemed illegal.

This is nuts. Laws do not only apply to property. Since when is a family that doesn't own property but has children not have a say in education? Why would a non property owner not be interested in whether or not a country goes to war? Why wouldn't a renter be concerned about taxes on services or commodities? In every case property has little or nothing to do with their "skin in the game".

You seem to be advocating for some form of feudal system, good luck with that.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 26, 2014, 01:32:08 AM

You mean like Rep Hank 'Dipshit' Johnson (D-Georgia) wondering if Guam might capsize if additional military material is transferred there?  An oldie but a goodie.

Yes, I can see how these clips would be annoying.

Congressman Hank Johnson fears Guam will tip over, March 25, 2010
I see your dipshit, and raise you two tea bags.  Rep. Senator Brandon "Bible Science" Smith, who says climate change is a hoax because Earth is the same temperature as Mars:

http://youtu.be/OCF_Yy3oFNo

And Michele "My Husband is Definitely Straight" Bachmann. Really, any time she opens her mouth, something dumb falls out, but here's a classic:

http://youtu.be/bpZvchUUA2s

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 25, 2014, 11:11:47 PM
Waaaaaaaa
More pearls of wit and wisdom from the Bloviator.

NowhereInTime

Quote from: albrecht on July 25, 2014, 06:14:10 PM
I say 3 generations, minimum. But I'm not a Republican, Democrat, or Teaparty (or Green or whatever) so don't call my views anybody else's. But enough family history, land, and roots here in the USA to have actual skin in the game, knowledge of the country, relatives in various States and places, etc. Now, legally, once you are born here or are naturalized you are an American Citizen. But not a "real one." Of course, I also think you should have to own real property, be literate, and not be an employee of the government or net gainer when filing personal income tax  to vote in national elections and Senators should not be popularly elected. And no standing army except the National Guard in each State and keep our nuclear deterrent up-to-date to dissuade invasion. So there!
Now I know why people use the phrase "batshit crazy". 

NowhereInTime

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 26, 2014, 02:12:31 AM

To me an American is someone who works hard, and values the opportunity we have here - as opposed to those who are looking for the next handout, or opportunity to rip someone off, or who favor and try to force equal of outcomes over equal opportunity.

An American believes in a persons right to the fruit of their labor and property rights, freedom of exchange, personal responsibility, limited government and low taxes, and the rule of law.  These are the principles the nation was founded on.  This is the great American Experiment.

No, this is your libertarian circle jerk fantasy.  It's also total crap.

What you fail to understand (since you and your ilk repudiate science at every opportunity), is that many experiments are ongoing affairs that, due to mitigating factors and new variables that produce different results from the original result.

It isn't 1776, good squire.  Woman can now vote.

It's not 1860, black people can tell you to fuck off when you tell them to "mind your tone, Fiddler, mind your tone"

It isn't the 1950's, the Age of White Male hegemony, when your cohort could suppress political dissent with cries of "Communist"!  Blacklisting the "Hollywood Elite" (gee, wonder why so many are liberals today) and dictating patriotism in terms set by Buckley, Kristol, Rand, and other scum who oozed up from the primordial sludge to form the post-war American Conservatism movement.  Spoiled fucking brats.

It sure as hell ain't the 1980's, when you stupid bastards just about had the economics right (stagflation was on its way out, thanks to Volcker) but decided it was time to take a sharp right turn, blow up the deficit, and, once again, more important to let the very, very few be as rich as possible and fuck everyone else (see: Supply Side Economics)

Your experiment is undergoing unforeseen changes; too bad you and your fiends cannot grasp that concept.


QuoteSorry Pud, nothing in there about gender or race.
You keep trying to sell that horseshit as tonic, but no one's drinking it.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on July 26, 2014, 01:45:49 AM

Oh goody I can teach my brother something at last!! A Real Americanâ,,¢ isn't a Communist, liberal in thought or deed, or a woman who can think, or   who disagrees with everything that the 90% percentile of Real Americansâ,,¢ think and do.

I thought you'd know that bro!  8)

I'll never understand why Mom liked you best.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 26, 2014, 12:40:30 PM
I'll never understand why Mom liked you best.

Yes you do. Because I called her Mum (She being English).. dad was okay with being called Pawww (well, when he was around instead of being out with his 'hobbies')

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on July 26, 2014, 12:55:11 PM
Yes you do. Because I called her Mum (She being English).. dad was okay with being called Pawww (well, when he was around instead of being out with his 'hobbies')

Don't you ever get tired of being insufferable?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on July 26, 2014, 12:59:20 PM
Don't you ever get tired of being insufferable?

Yeah, if I knew what it meant.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on July 26, 2014, 10:36:05 AM
No, this is your libertarian circle jerk fantasy.  It's also total crap.

What you fail to understand (since you and your ilk repudiate science at every opportunity), is that many experiments are ongoing affairs that, due to mitigating factors and new variables that produce different results from the original result.

It isn't 1776, good squire.  Woman can now vote.

It's not 1860, black people can tell you to fuck off when you tell them to "mind your tone, Fiddler, mind your tone"

It isn't the 1950's, the Age of White Male hegemony, when your cohort could suppress political dissent with cries of "Communist"!  Blacklisting the "Hollywood Elite" (gee, wonder why so many are liberals today) and dictating patriotism in terms set by Buckley, Kristol, Rand, and other scum who oozed up from the primordial sludge to form the post-war American Conservatism movement.  Spoiled fucking brats.

It sure as hell ain't the 1980's, when you stupid bastards just about had the economics right (stagflation was on its way out, thanks to Volcker) but decided it was time to take a sharp right turn, blow up the deficit, and, once again, more important to let the very, very few be as rich as possible and fuck everyone else (see: Supply Side Economics)

Your experiment is undergoing unforeseen changes; too bad you and your fiends cannot grasp that concept.

You keep trying to sell that horseshit as tonic, but no one's drinking it.

When did you become obsessed with race and gender?  Is dividing the country and pandering to identity politics the only way the D's can win?  It's pathetic and disgusting.

Do you really think the US and the rest of the world was worse off due to the Reagan Presidency economically?  Worse off as far as peace and security?  Were you in a coma the last 25 years of the 1900's?  Today's economic and security problems are due to Clinton, Bush II, and now Obama either failing to address issues (Clinton), or taking the wrong steps (Bush II and Obama)


By the way, Federal tax receipts rose steadily during the Reagan years, it's just that Tip O'Neil and the Congress spent all of that and more.  Surely you recall good ol' Tip declaring Reagan's budget 'dead on arrival' every year.  That was back when Big Media said the President was responsible for 'shutting down the government' when he and Congress didn't reach agreement on a budget.

 
Here's an easy chart for who was responsible for shutting down the government from the '80s to now, according to Big Media at the time.  You should print it out and staple it to your forehead as a way of remembering your hypocrisy:

President   Congress   Responsible for shutting down the government according to Big Media

Reagan             D's                   Reagan
Bush I               D's                   Bush I
Clinton             R's                    Republican Congress
Bush II             D's                   Bush II
Obama              R's                   Republican Congress

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 26, 2014, 01:21:55 PM
When did you become obsessed with race and gender?  Is dividing the country and pandering to identity politics the only way the D's can win?  It's pathetic and disgusting.

Do you really think the US and the rest of the world was worse off due to the Reagan Presidency economically?  Worse off as far as peace and security?  Were you in a coma the last 25 years of the 1900's?  Today's economic and security problems are due to Clinton, Bush II, and now Obama either failing to address issues (Clinton), or taking the wrong steps (Bush II and Obama)


By the way, Federal tax receipts rose steadily during the Reagan years, it's just that Tip O'Neil and the Congress spent all of that and more.  Surely you recall good ol' Tip declaring Reagan's budget 'dead on arrival' every year.  That was back when Big Media said the President was responsible for 'shutting down the government' when he and Congress didn't reach agreement on a budget.

 
Here's an easy chart for who was responsible for shutting down the government from the '80s to now, according to Big Media at the time.  You should print it out and staple it to your forehead as a way of remembering your hypocrisy:

President   Congress   Responsible for shutting down the government according to Big Media

Reagan                D's                      Reagan
Bush I                  D's                      Bush I
Clinton                R's                       Congress
Bush II                D's                      Bush II
Obama                R's                      Congress


Why can't you play nice?

Quick Karl

Quote from: Paper*Boy on July 26, 2014, 01:21:55 PM
When did you become obsessed with race and gender?  Is dividing the country and pandering to identity politics the only way the D's can win?  It's pathetic and disgusting.

Do you really think the US and the rest of the world was worse off due to the Reagan Presidency economically?  Worse off as far as peace and security?  Were you in a coma the last 25 years of the 1900's?  Today's economic and security problems are due to Clinton, Bush II, and now Obama either failing to address issues (Clinton), or taking the wrong steps (Bush II and Obama)

By the way, Federal tax receipts rose steadily during the Reagan years, it's just that Tip O'Neil and the Congress spent all of that and more.  Surely you recall good ol' Tip declaring Reagan's budget 'dead on arrival' every year.  That was back when Big Media said the President was responsible for 'shutting down the government' when he and Congress didn't reach agreement on a budget.
 
Here's an easy chart for who was responsible for shutting down the government from the '80s to now, according to Big Media at the time.  You should print it out and staple it to your forehead as a way of remembering your hypocrisy:

President   Congress   Responsible for shutting down the government according to Big Media

Reagan             D's                   Reagan
Bush I               D's                   Bush I
Clinton             R's                    Republican Congress
Bush II             D's                   Bush II
Obama              R's                   Republican Congress

You're trying to use reason and logic on an asshole; you'd achieve more by ignoring him.

Your division plays into the real enemies of mankind hands and assures their victory.
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coaster

40 heads of state from Africa are coming to the US for a three day summit. I find it very odd that this would happen considering the ebola outbreak.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: coaster on July 29, 2014, 02:06:50 PM
40 heads of state from Africa are coming to the US for a three day summit. I find it very odd that this would happen considering the ebola outbreak.

Africa is quite big. Well really big really. The Ebola outbreak is restricted to a very small part.

albrecht

Quote from: coaster on July 29, 2014, 02:06:50 PM
40 heads of state from Africa are coming to the US for a three day summit. I find it very odd that this would happen considering the ebola outbreak.
They probably are just coming over to get some $$ from Obama. But the ebola stuff is scary. A doctor hailing from my FEMA Region VI has caught it.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2014/07/29/could-ebola-virus-become-a-threat-in-the-u-s/


health experts say:
"Poor and crowded living conditions, along with improper sanitation seem to be an important element that contribute to the spread of the virus.  Such are not the living conditions, in general, throughout most modernized countries in the Western world"

---> (article does not mention we are importing hordes of illegals with improper sanitation and hosting them in crowded living conditions.)

Quote from: coaster on July 29, 2014, 02:06:50 PM
40 heads of state from Africa are coming to the US for a three day summit. I find it very odd that this would happen considering the ebola outbreak.


I would like to see the US be more involved with Africa.  The US has always let the various European countries work with their former colonies when it comes to trade, the economy, the military, diplomacy, because they had experience and ties.  And Europe has mostly stayed out of the Americas

I think it would benefit the US and the various African countries to expand ties and trade.  Especially now that China is there filling a void - they are buying up farmland and making deals for minerals and energy in exchange for building roads, schools, hospitals, etc.  And supporting some of the worst regimes on the planet.

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