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« Reply #600 on: November 12, 2012, 10:55:26 PM »
bfd though.  since Petraeus was no longer in the military the affair was only scandalous.  and not illegal.  as that sort of thing is illegal if you're in the military

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« Reply #601 on: November 12, 2012, 11:00:47 PM »
Wow the Patraeus investigation is something crazy!

Now reports are saying one of the FBI agents "was taken off the case because authorities grew concerned about his relationship with one of the key figures in the the scandal". And at least two members of congress were told about it over a month ago (but not, it appears, the appropriate committee). Can't wait to see how this stranger-than-fiction scorcher plays out.
It's all about Benghazi obviously.

Here the whole country is evolved to the point of legalizing pot and voting for gay marriage and we still care about some affair from the CIA director?  I don't think so.  And why does this mean he can't testify? 

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« Reply #602 on: November 13, 2012, 12:38:53 AM »
... And why does this mean he can't testify?

And Hilary can't testify due to 'scheduling'.  In a few months both her and Petraeus will be private citizens and presumably subject to being subpoenaed by Congress.   Or Obama can explain why what has been lied about and truth withheld is now subject to Executive Privilege.   
 
I wonder if the Corrupt Media can save him from the fallout if it's gun-running to al-Qaeda.


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« Reply #603 on: November 13, 2012, 05:39:22 AM »
This story is a great example of the wild rumors that come from a cover up.  Running guns - a secret CIA detention facility - an attempt to capture the ambassador and do a prisoner exchange for the blind sheik - just what is the truth?


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« Reply #604 on: November 13, 2012, 05:39:38 AM »
This thing has LEGS!! Another general is now under investigation.

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« Reply #605 on: November 13, 2012, 06:15:15 AM »
This thing has LEGS!! Another general is now under investigation.

I notice 'our' general has changed his appearance recently... something to hide, General?  ;)

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« Reply #606 on: November 13, 2012, 06:41:43 AM »
It's all about Benghazi obviously.

Maybe bang-ghazi. This Jill Kelley woman's relationships are too suspicious. My spidey sense is tingling more Heidi Fleiss than Oliver North.

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« Reply #607 on: November 13, 2012, 06:51:52 AM »
I wonder if Alex Jones has called it a false flag yet.

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« Reply #608 on: November 13, 2012, 10:36:48 AM »

I notice 'our' general has changed his appearance recently... something to hide, General?  ;)
Already hid the bodies.  No one will ever find them.

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« Reply #609 on: November 13, 2012, 10:54:27 AM »
Already hid the bodies.  No one will ever find them.

If I can't find them, how can I cook them?

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« Reply #610 on: November 13, 2012, 02:07:01 PM »
Maybe bang-ghazi. This Jill Kelley woman's relationships are too suspicious. My spidey sense is tingling more Heidi Fleiss than Oliver North.

Maybe it's too much John Le Carre', but the same woman (women?) connected with a regional commander and his successor? I'd be wondering where the burst transmitters were....

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« Reply #611 on: November 13, 2012, 02:57:15 PM »
And now we learn that she and her husband are bankrupt. 

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« Reply #612 on: November 13, 2012, 03:01:07 PM »
This is going to get so ugly.

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« Reply #613 on: November 13, 2012, 08:15:26 PM »
Maybe it's too much John Le Carre', but the same woman (women?) connected with a regional commander and his successor? I'd be wondering where the burst transmitters were....

Sadly, it sounds more like Maury Povich than Ian Fleming. When I first saw an article on the two generals' involvement in a custody case, my mind immediately went there. Luckily, they were just character witnesses in a custody case involving the twin of the Florida fundraiser. One could be pardoned if they thought that paternity tests were part of the next chapter of this complex and sordid story.

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« Reply #614 on: November 15, 2012, 12:27:34 PM »
Read this on some forum and it's hilarious:

Never underestimate the strength of a beaver to fall the tallest tree in the forest.

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« Reply #615 on: November 15, 2012, 02:37:46 PM »
I know it sounds like The Church Lady, but I think we're seeing evidence of a top to bottom cultural rot, in which no one is honorable, no one is trustworthy, and no one denies him/herself. Yes, there is nothing new under the sun, and there is much less privacy than a generation ago. Still, today our elites almost always prove themselves ignoble. In the past we had many examples of leaders who acted honorably, even sacrificially. Today all our leaders cash in and take advantage of their positions, in ever more demeaning and selfish ways.

"It's the culture, etc." 

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« Reply #616 on: November 15, 2012, 03:04:29 PM »
I demand an investigation into these people's private lives.

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« Reply #617 on: November 15, 2012, 11:53:47 PM »
bfd though.  since Petraeus was no longer in the military the affair was only scandalous.  and not illegal.  as that sort of thing is illegal if you're in the military

I think you're overlooking an adulterer's vulnerability* to blackmail by a foreign power, which is increased by the fact Petraues was head of CIA. And it would be absolutely ruinous. Damn right Congress has a legit interest in trying to find out what kind of breach may have occurred, particularly where there is a real concern about the motivation and effectiveness of the FBI's investigation, and of the AG's, POTUS's clear interest in suppressing the results in whole or part. Plus there's the criminal issue of abuse of office, in that there is evidence one or both women were throwing around the names of their beefcake boys in bids to swing "consulting" gigs related to major international business deals, one of which was about comm and one a coal gassification plant in S Korea..

When you sign on to the G you voluntarily give away many rights which average citizens take for granted, and that doesn't end just because you call it quits. You're accountable forever for everything you did while on board. It's no defense to a probe that you no longer take the king's shilling: you did during the time in question, and that's all that counts. Petraeus knows this as well as any man alive.


* It can be anything, even if it's otherwise entirely innocent or permissible. The determining factor is, does s/he want it kept quiet. Say an official would be mortified if it got out that on his 600-acre farm he occasionally practices family nudity? It's a citizen's perfect right to do it. But not if he's a government official, particularly one who knows the nation's deepest secrets, and if he'd be desperate to try to quash any reports of bare-assing it in the woods. How do we tell what parts of their lives make officials vulnerable? Well, common sense for one; as well as whether they take steps designed to conceal their actions. Such as dead-drops, third-party emails, using draft folders to communicate, etc.

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« Reply #618 on: November 16, 2012, 12:30:50 AM »
I think you're overlooking an adulterer's vulnerability* to blackmail by a foreign power...

 
Or blackmail by the Administration - in this case in regards to the continuing lies and cover ups about what happened at Benghazi and what exactly it was they were working on there. 
 
Something the now ex-Director of CIA will know quite a bit about.

 
The Obama folks just want this to disappear, so the same people that are so interested in the sex life details of Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, et. al., are going to put on a full court press this time to make it 'just about sex'... (and where have we heard that before?)

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« Reply #619 on: November 16, 2012, 05:50:43 AM »
Unbefuckinglievable.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-20336769
 
School bans Movember moustache for not being 'inclusive'

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« Reply #620 on: November 16, 2012, 07:13:05 AM »

 
Or blackmail by the Administration - in this case in regards to the continuing lies and cover ups about what happened at Benghazi and what exactly it was they were working on there. 
 
Something the now ex-Director of CIA will know quite a bit about.



Meanwhile, 5 of 8 Republicans skip Benghazi hearing; complain about lack of information on Benghazi

and also, Romney to face corruption charges

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« Reply #621 on: November 16, 2012, 07:39:53 AM »




Is there a chart showing just the Embasy events that have been lied about, help not sent when it could have been, and details of what happened covered up, or do we just smoosh them all together and say it's business as usual?
 
Just like the documents from Obama's life that have been held back and sealed - the release of these items is generally pretty routine and practicaly no one is really is all that interested - until the President (or any public figure) starts acting like he's hiding something. 
 
People get curious.  Then start to speculate.  And dig.  Public figures should have learned that from Nixon, but sometimes it's as if no one did.  Unless there really is something truly damaging to hide.

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« Reply #622 on: November 16, 2012, 08:20:14 AM »


Meanwhile, 5 of 8 Republicans skip Benghazi hearing; complain about lack of information on Benghazi

and also, Romney to face corruption charges
Yes, but those things happened during Republican presidencies, and it is very anti-American of you not to support your duly elected Republican president in time of war - just ask Fox News for those 8 years.  Benghazi happened during a time of great and lasting peace in the Middle East, brought to you be a wise Republican presidential decision to topple secular leadership in Iraq and replace it with something or other, we'll figure that out later, a period of such profound geo-political stability that it ushered in a global golden age of prosperity, with jobs for all.  Only to be squandered by a possible Kenyan, could be Muslim, we're still not sure, but definitely a democrat, could be a Marxist, gotta be a socialist, and hell, yeah, you know he is black, although it would be best if we avoided that, gotta be a coincidence that he brings out such unfettered rage in white establishment types, but yeah, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, anyone still listening?

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« Reply #623 on: November 16, 2012, 08:40:24 AM »


Meanwhile, 5 of 8 Republicans skip Benghazi hearing; complain about lack of information on Benghazi

and also, Romney to face corruption charges


It is deception of the current administration.  How does a supporter of the President rationalize the false stories that were told?   

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« Reply #624 on: November 16, 2012, 08:47:19 AM »
Yes, but those things happened during Republican presidencies, and it is very anti-American of you not to support your duly elected Republican president in time of war - just ask Fox News for those 8 years.  Benghazi happened during a time of great and lasting peace in the Middle East, brought to you be a wise Republican presidential decision to topple secular leadership in Iraq and replace it with something or other, we'll figure that out later, a period of such profound geo-political stability that it ushered in a global golden age of prosperity, with jobs for all.  Only to be squandered by a possible Kenyan, could be Muslim, we're still not sure, but definitely a democrat, could be a Marxist, gotta be a socialist, and hell, yeah, you know he is black, although it would be best if we avoided that, gotta be a coincidence that he brings out such unfettered rage in white establishment types, but yeah, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, anyone still listening?
tell me another story Daddio

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« Reply #625 on: November 16, 2012, 09:05:02 AM »
I know it sounds like The Church Lady, but I think we're seeing evidence of a top to bottom cultural rot, in which no one is honorable, no one is trustworthy, and no one denies him/herself. Yes, there is nothing new under the sun, and there is much less privacy than a generation ago. Still, today our elites almost always prove themselves ignoble. In the past we had many examples of leaders who acted honorably, even sacrificially. Today all our leaders cash in and take advantage of their positions, in ever more demeaning and selfish ways.

"It's the culture, etc." 
I would agree Sardondi. Not to single out just this administration but it appears the media and the executive have an agreement to not talk about things that need to be brought to the light of day. This may be one of the reasons why so much impropriety and blatant disregard seems to exist with this administration regarding accountability and truth. The stench of the rot is terrible. The world is taking note and is playing us. Putin, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, gun running to Al Qaeda in Syria etc. With his reelection the gates have been opened.

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« Reply #626 on: November 16, 2012, 09:14:08 AM »
...The world is taking note and is playing us....

Because they recognize in it a failure of will. They know the US will see nothing through, and all they need do to ultimately win any point of contention is simply to endure. Or, as was said of one excellent example of the postmodern American rot, "abide".

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« Reply #627 on: November 16, 2012, 09:20:17 AM »
I would agree Sardondi. Not to single out just this administration but it appears the media and the executive have an agreement to not talk about things that need to be brought to the light of day. This may be one of the reasons why so much impropriety and blatant disregard seems to exist with this administration regarding accountability and truth. The stench of the rot is terrible. The world is taking note and is playing us. Putin, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, gun running to Al Qaeda in Syria etc. With his reelection the gates have been opened.


Refreshing truth.  Under Obama the USA is like the beta wolf flopping around on his back in deference to the alpha members of the pack.  It is inviting war as the barbarians see him as a weak King.  What is the gate you speak of?  Shakespeare said it best through Marc Anthony:  "Cry ‘Havoc,’ and let slip the dogs of war..."  Weakness invites attack. 

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« Reply #628 on: November 16, 2012, 10:13:45 AM »

Is there a chart showing just the Embasy events that have been lied about, help not sent when it could have been, and details of what happened covered up, or do we just smoosh them all together and say it's business as usual?
 
Just like the documents from Obama's life that have been held back and sealed - the release of these items is generally pretty routine and practicaly no one is really is all that interested - until the President (or any public figure) starts acting like he's hiding something. 
 
People get curious.  Then start to speculate.  And dig.  Public figures should have learned that from Nixon, but sometimes it's as if no one did.  Unless there really is something truly damaging to hide.

But what about our incoherent gharble of right-wing conspiracies, huh? The right can't even decide on which Benghazi conspiracy angle to agree on and go with. Help was sent, but the attack was over before they got there. Can you come up with a concern that isn't based on Glenn Beck style conspiracy crap? I don't think so.

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« Reply #629 on: November 16, 2012, 10:26:32 AM »
But what about our incoherent gharble of right-wing conspiracies, huh? The right can't even decide on which Benghazi conspiracy angle to agree on and go with. Help was sent, but the attack was over before they got there. Can you come up with a concern that isn't based on Glenn Beck style conspiracy crap? I don't think so.


No doubt that there are some, really out there conspiracy theories about Benghazi.  I am not sure which you are referring to though.  We need to base a theory on evidence.  At this point, an absence of knowledge exists to form conclusions.  Still, we do know somethings.  Therefore, people will try to fill in the holes.   I believe there should be a variety of ideas, so we can argue and discuss and come to more reasoned explanations of what happened.  I am not sure why you suppose there should be one unified theory at this point.  It seems to me that even scientists studying the universe have differing approaches.