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Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60870 on: November 23, 2017, 06:39:57 AM »
Yawn...Guys, wake me up when it gets funny, interesting or relevant.

Next they'll take away your Obamaphone.  No more posts from you.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60871 on: November 23, 2017, 06:43:13 AM »
Pretty sure Atriedes is the same idiot as Donald Noory and Jorch Einstein.  They used to Bwwwaaaaahaaaahaaaa all of the time too.  Never has anything substantial to say just stupid left-wing talking points.

Of course no one on the right actualy recumputes their taxes under either Trump plan, they just accept the talking points regarding more jobs and higher wages - which have NEVER happened due to a tax cut for the rich and the corporations.  Really people, put a pencil to the "tax cut." 

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60872 on: November 23, 2017, 01:41:45 PM »


Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60873 on: November 23, 2017, 10:11:17 PM »
The Canadian liberal MSM lies.  Imagine my shock.


Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60874 on: November 24, 2017, 12:34:18 AM »
Of course no one on the right actualy recumputes their taxes under either Trump plan, they just accept the talking points regarding more jobs and higher wages - which have NEVER happened due to a tax cut for the rich and the corporations.  Really people, put a pencil to the "tax cut."

Another lemming  dumbass who  clearly doesn’t read anyone’s posts. Keep regurgitating leftwing orders.  Ok back under your rock. And Don’t talk with your mouth full of flub. When you’re done blowing flub, talk to Spy, he’s gonna help you with that avatar. You’re welcome.





Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60875 on: November 24, 2017, 12:38:18 AM »
Well now...it appears Michael Flynn will wisely cooperate with the prosecutors in an attempt to save his own ass.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60876 on: November 24, 2017, 12:41:59 AM »
Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Roy Moore and the confused identity of today’s “evangelical” voter

http://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/11/22/16686614/roy-moore-evangelical-voter


Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60877 on: November 24, 2017, 02:29:44 AM »
Another lemming  dumbass who  clearly doesn’t read anyone’s posts. Keep regurgitating leftwing orders.  Ok back under your rock. And Don’t talk with your mouth full of flub. When you’re done blowing flub, talk to Spy, he’s gonna help you with that avatar. You’re welcome.



Also, he's just wrong about that. Even Time admits it:

http://time.com/4511870/john-f-kennedy-and-ronald-reagan-tax-policy/

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60878 on: November 24, 2017, 02:43:25 AM »
There were serious flaws in our healthcare insurance system, and a lot more government intrusion than was healthy.  These issues were driving up costs in a variety of ways, and squeezing people out of the system.  Before Obama and Pelosi and the rest of the Big Government gang began meddling with what was in place, 85% of the people in this country were happy with their insurance, and 60-something percent were happy with the cost.


Did you just pull those "something" percentages out of your ass, or do you have a source? As usual, your pontifications are long on opinion, and short on facts. You and others here seem to have forgotten how the ACA/Obamacare came to be. The "85%" who you claim were "happy" with their insurance, must have been thrilled to have any insurance at all.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

President Bush, once taking account how long he’s been in office, shows the worst track record for job creation since the government began keeping record.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/



The loss of millions of jobs during the Great Recession (including reduction of hours) also resulted in the loss of workers' healthcare connected to their full-time employment. My experiences working in a hospital during this period reflected these statistics. In December of 2008, our operating room could barely keep up with the demand for elective surgeries. We repeatedly heard, "I'm running out of time and losing my job and health insurance at the end of the month." The following month--January of 2009, there were layoffs throughout the hospital (with the exception of the ER), due to the sharp decrease in scheduled surgeries.

Now unemployed, uninsured, and unable to purchase individual health insurance due to the evil "pre-existing condition", the ACA was a light at the end of a very dark and frightening tunnel. Admittedly flawed, it was still better than the alternative, which for millions of folks was absolutely nothing.

Keep your rose-colored glasses on and continue to imagine an America where 85% of the people are "happy" with their health insurance. But the era of decent, reasonably-priced health insurance as a job benefit is gone, just like those manufacturing jobs that provided a living-wage to working class families.

I don't need to remind you again that for 8 years the GOP, and then that lying POS Trump, promised a "better" healthcare bill, superior to the ACA. Where is it? Coming any day now, right?

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« Reply #60879 on: November 24, 2017, 07:00:21 AM »
The Canadian liberal MSM lies.  Imagine my shock.

The fuktard Justin Trudeau became Prime Minister with 24.9% of the vote.
Ran on a platform of ........... dope's good ?
Stuck with that dismal prick for a few years yet.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60880 on: November 24, 2017, 07:21:14 AM »
Another lemming  dumbass who  clearly doesn’t read anyone’s posts. Keep regurgitating leftwing orders.  Ok back under your rock. And Don’t talk with your mouth full of flub. When you’re done blowing flub, talk to Spy, he’s gonna help you with that avatar. You’re welcome.



Like good little Repug, you again pivot and avoid answering the question. 

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60881 on: November 24, 2017, 08:09:14 AM »
Did you just pull those "something" percentages out of your ass, or do you have a source? As usual, your pontifications are long on opinion, and short on facts. You and others here seem to have forgotten how the ACA/Obamacare came to be. The "85%" who you claim were "happy" with their insurance, must have been thrilled to have any insurance at all...

It's from memory.  I've posted links to those statistics multiple times in response to you and others repeated cheerleading for this horrible peice of legislation.  There's no reason to continue providing links when they're ignored, and you just pop up later with the same old posts.  If you've found that you're actually interested, look it up yourself


... President Bush, once taking account how long he’s been in office, shows the worst track record for job creation since the government began keeping record....

We've also gone over this multiple times.  During most of the Bush years, the country was in a period that economists refer to as ''full employment''.  Given that there are always layoffs, plant closings, etc, even in the best of times, and thus always a few people who want jobs and are qualified for them are temporarily out of the work force, it's an economic term for when real unemployent is under a certain percentage.

During a period of full employment, guess what, there aren't a lot of jobs being created.  Since that's sort of an important piece of information to leave out, I would suggest a media source leaving it out to be intentionally dishonest.  As you've been told multiple times, statistics are easily manipulated. 

Here's what I don't get.  Once a person is shown their sources lie to them repeatedly, manipulate statistics, conduct polls with leading questions (another way of manipulating statistics), and so on, why do these same people dig in and resist the truth instead of realizing they are being played?  It truly amazes me. 


Sorry, didn't read the rest of your post.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60882 on: November 24, 2017, 08:51:10 AM »
Another lemming  dumbass who  clearly doesn’t read anyone’s posts. Keep regurgitating leftwing orders.

The 'Charlie McCarthy' of BellGab ......
Any thoughts of your own ?
Or do you just sit on someone's knee ?
You're hilarious ..... in a sad sort of way.

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« Reply #60883 on: November 24, 2017, 03:21:14 PM »

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60884 on: November 24, 2017, 03:40:52 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D    ;)


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« Reply #60885 on: November 24, 2017, 04:04:43 PM »

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60886 on: November 24, 2017, 05:18:57 PM »
The fuktard Justin Trudeau became Prime Minister with 24.9% of the vote.
Ran on a platform of ........... dope's good ?
Stuck with that dismal prick for a few years yet.

There may be some hope for you.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60887 on: November 24, 2017, 05:51:53 PM »


I didn't watch this, because the guy rarely has anything useful to add.  He's just another left-wing hack who thinks the Democrat Party isn't socializing the country fast enough.  I realize you are a one issue voter - whether or not the candidate panders to unions - but hopefully some day you'll come to realize the people who set policy for the left have no interest in unions, or most ot their other ''causes'', other than for the votes.

(How have independent trade unions historically done in socialist dictatorships and communist countries?  Answer:  they aren't allowed.  So much for unions somehow being a ''left wing'' cause)

As for businesses, tax cuts, and the use of capital, this is a very easy equasion to understand - although like most things it's impossible to understand by those who don't want to understand it.  It takes money to expand business:  to build warehouses, manufacturing facilities, etc, to buy equipment, to hire more people.  More money - from profits, investment, loans, or lower taxes - gives businesses more capital to do so.  See?  Easy.

The anti-business, anti-capitalist, socialists and supporters of Big Government are more than happy to point out this isn't always the case, that more profits, more funds returned from overseas, lower taxes, etc, don't always automatically lead to more domestic investment and jobs.  And they can find anecdotal evidence and find statistics to massage and take out of context to show it.  Well, no shit.  There are multiple factors in effect.  Related to the economic envoronment, competition, return on capital invested, and so on.  What the economy is doing, and whether current expansion makes business sense.  So no, more funds available due to tax cuts don't always translate to more jobs.  Obvioulsy.

But one thing is sure, without those funds, the moeny won't be invested when the business would otherwise do so.


Even if none of that is ever true, so what?  The funds belong to the people who earned them.  The company.  How did we get to the point where we think somehow everything actually belongs to government, and we should be happy with the pittance they allow us to keep?  How did we get to the point that we believe government can spend money more productively than the private sector?  I'd really like to know


Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60888 on: November 24, 2017, 06:05:05 PM »
I didn't watch this, because the guy rarely has anything useful to add.  He's just another left-wing hack who thinks the Democrat Party isn't socializing the country fast enough.  I realize you are a one issue voter - whether or not the candidate panders to unions - but hopefully some day you'll come to realize the people who set policy for the left have no interest in unions, or most ot their other ''causes'', other than for the votes.

(How have independent trade unions historically done in socialist dictatorships and communist countries?  Answer:  they aren't allowed.  So much for unions somehow being a ''left wing'' cause)

As for businesses, tax cuts, and the use of capital, this is a very easy equasion to understand - although like most things it's impossible to understand by those who don't want to understand it.  It takes money to expand business:  to build warehouses, manufacturing facilities, etc, to buy equipment, to hire more people.  More money - from profits, investment, loans, or lower taxes - gives businesses more capital to do so.  See?  Easy.

The anti-business, anti-capitalist, socialists and supporters of Big Government are more than happy to point out this isn't always the case, that more profits, more funds returned from overseas, lower taxes, etc, don't always automatically lead to more domestic investment and jobs.  And they can find anecdotal evidence and use manipulated statistics to show it.  Well, no shit.  There are multiple factors in effect.  Related to the economic envoronment, competition, opportunity cost, return on capital invested, and so on.  What the economy is doing, and whether current expansion makes business sense. 

But one thing is sure, without those funds, the moeny won't be invested when the business would otherwise do so.


Even if none of that is ever true, so what?  The funds belong to the people who earned them.  The company.  How did we get to the point where somehow everything actually belongs to government, and we should be happy with the pittance they allow us to keep?  How did we get to the point that we believe government can spend money more productively than the private sector?  I'd really like to know

Gee, you got all that from a video title?! Someone wants to be the new pud.  :D

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60889 on: November 24, 2017, 06:08:46 PM »
Gee, you got all that from a video title?! Someone wants to be the new pud.  :D

How many of his videos do you think I need to watch before I have a pretty good idea of what he has to say?  The title of the video is wrong, and I've heard many arguments by people who either don't know what they're talking about, or have a Big Government agenda, start out the same way.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60890 on: November 24, 2017, 08:28:59 PM »
How many of his videos do you think I need to watch before I have a pretty good idea of what he has to say?  The title of the video is wrong, and I've heard many arguments by people who either don't know what they're talking about, or have a Big Government agenda, start out the same way.

First off, it's a Republican in his video making the argument and this guy worked for Reagan. I know it worked under Kennedy though but then LBJ reversed all that after having him killed.

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« Reply #60891 on: November 25, 2017, 06:00:06 AM »


Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60892 on: November 25, 2017, 06:12:25 AM »

We've also gone over this multiple times.  During most of the Bush years, the country was in a period that economists refer to as ''full employment''.  Given that there are always layoffs, plant closings, etc, even in the best of times, and thus always a few people who want jobs and are qualified for them are temporarily out of the work force, it's an economic term for when real unemployent is under a certain percentage...


Like Trump, you just make shit up. I suppose next you'll tell us you turned down Time Magazine for person of the year.

How does "full employment" translate to 2.6 million job losses in 2008, the worst on record since 1945. Bush's Great Recession is historical fact, and try as you might, those statistics can not be manipulated to suit your fanciful narrative.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/09/news/economy/jobs_december/

The point I made about job losses (including reduction of hours) resulting in millions losing their health insurance, was that it created a critical situation. The ACA was largely an attempt to mitigate the growing crisis of the uninsured and the uninsurable. Your rosy "85%" of people "happy" with their insurance prior to the ACA is clearly a misrepresentation of that reality.

Meanwhile, after repeated failures by the GOP to repeal "Obamacare", and Trump's mission to destroy what's left of it, people are still signing up as we speak! I guess they realize a broken system is better than zilch from Trump and his cohorts.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/07/record-level-of-sign-ups-for-obamacare-plans-reported.html

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« Reply #60893 on: November 25, 2017, 06:40:30 AM »


As for businesses, tax cuts, and the use of capital, this is a very easy equasion to understand - although like most things it's impossible to understand by those who don't want to understand it.  It takes money to expand business:  to build warehouses, manufacturing facilities, etc, to buy equipment, to hire more people.  More money - from profits, investment, loans, or lower taxes - gives businesses more capital to do so.  See?  Easy.



You can't name one CEO who has said he/she will use tax cuts to either increase employment or increase wages.  This tax plan is a fraud upon the middle class.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60894 on: November 25, 2017, 07:04:21 AM »
You can't name one CEO who has said he/she will use tax cuts to either increase employment or increase wages.  This tax plan is a fraud upon the middle class.

You can't name one who will say they won't either.  So what.  That isn't how companies communicate with te public.

Money is fungible.  People are being hired - unlike the previus eight years when the divisive jackass was in office.  And CEOs can be held to account legally for offhand comments like those you suggest if for some reason they don't follw through.


Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60895 on: November 25, 2017, 07:11:43 AM »
Like Trump, you just make shit up. I suppose next you'll tell us you turned down Time Magazine for person of the year.

How does "full employment" translate to 2.6 million job losses in 2008, the worst on record since 1945. Bush's Great Recession is historical fact, and try as you might, those statistics can not be manipulated to suit your fanciful narrative...

Well, what did I say, exactly?  Oh, right, I said ''During most of the Bush years''.

So you want to look at job growth during all eight years of the Bush II presidency, and when I point out that MOST of that time we were in a period of full employment you then point to the job losses of the last few months. 

I get that you want the black man to have not been an abysmal failure, and will thrash around clinging to any dumb comment from the pretend media in doing so, but please forgive me if I just skip over your bleatings.  It's a waste of time to read and respond to them, sorry.

Re: President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #60896 on: November 25, 2017, 07:31:12 AM »
And by the way, just so you know, the president doesn't ''run'' the economy.  He doesn't create jobs.  He doesn't generate GDP.

The only thing government can do is create obstacles for the economy, or remove them.  That includes comments and actions that give participants in the economy confidence, or destroy it. 

Obama's comments and actions destroyed confidence, and he put up obstacles.  Like him or not, Trump's comments and actions have given the economy a tremendous boost of confidence - a feelig that we're out from under the destructiveness and hostility to our system over the previous eight years - and has begun removing obstacles.


As far as the 2008 meltdown, Bush didn't cause that.  It was caused by existing debt, derivatives, and the housing bubble, and just needed a spark to set it off.  That spark was the discovery of the Goldman Sachs fraudulent subprime mortgages being repackaged as top rated mortgage backed securities, the discovery of which froze the market for a period of days, leading to collapse.

Holder and Obama later came out and told us they were not going to prosecute Goldman or any of the partners.  The regime didn't do a thing to alleviate the economy.  They didn't do a thing to address debt and derivitives still overhanging the economy, other than to take the opportunity to waste a bunch of money and double our national debt from where it stood in 2008.


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« Reply #60897 on: November 25, 2017, 01:45:41 PM »
You can't name one who will say they won't either.  So what.  That isn't how companies communicate with te public.

Money is fungible.  People are being hired - unlike the previus eight years when the divisive jackass was in office.  And CEOs can be held to account legally for offhand comments like those you suggest if for some reason they don't follw through.

In that video you wouldn't watch Gary Katz asks the audience of CEOs and bankers at one point asks by a show of hands how many will be reinvesting their tax savings into capital assets for their companies? His response to this was How come there aren't more hands?! I'm still hoping for the best though. However, BO already proved that hoping for change doesn't work so well.  ;)

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« Reply #60898 on: November 25, 2017, 02:20:12 PM »