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President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75360 on: June 19, 2018, 12:37:00 PM »
And the predictable ...

*>crickets<*


You know, we've told him, and every other D-Rat supporter who would listen has been told, that the so-called ''main stream media'' they consume and trust have become nothing more than a dishonest, unethical advocacy group for big government, higher taxes, and the far left Democrats.  I guess if a person generally supports big government, higher taxes, and the far left Democrats, and has been told by academia, Hollywood, the media itself, their friends, and perhaps even by their parents that these are simply honest journalists, then they are unlikely to see it for themselves or believe those who tell them.

The industry has been seized by the ''progressives'', who no more believe in honest journalism than they believe in individual liberty, property rights, personal responsibility, free exchange, or our form of government.  They hate our country.  Quick, when is the last time they defended or supported any of that?  They don't.  They've been biased towards Liberalism and ''Progressivism'' at least as far as the 1960s with Walter Cronkite and others, and it's gotten steadily worse over time.  They aren't really even trying to hide it anymore.

As the Ds and media are adept at accusing everyone else of the unethical and illegal conduct they themselves are involved with, much of the time it then becomes ''he said, she said'' for these people and confuses them.  They end up only remembering the media's narrative when that is the only thing being ''reported'', with the rest ignored. 


That this is what routinely goes on is clearer on some issues than others.  The Ds and the media are currently trying to cram as many welfare recipients and new D-Rat voters into our country as they can.  If they can change the demographic significantly, they believe they will become the permanent majority party - as they have in California.  This is what the globalist parties in the EU are doing as well.  It's as simple as that.  And that means leaving the border open and unguarded as long as possible, hopefully permanently.

Never mind we can't afford these people, and never mind we don't want to become another Latin American banana republic.  It's Party First! with these people.  Always.



So knowing the above, and applying it to the ''children being separated from their families'' bleating, we see what's really going on with the media reporting. 

Every country in the world defends their borders.  We're one of the nicest about it, one of the most accommodating.  With 10s of millions of illegal aliens already here, we currently have 10s of thousands more pouring across our borders - now all coached to claim asylum.  Which means once here, they are legally entitled to a hearing before a judge before being turned back.  Being legally required to give these people hearings, we detain them to ensure they don't simply slip away and join the millions of others loose inside the country. 

We do not place children in adult facilities where they would be at risk by predators (gang members, cartel members, random criminals).  They are reunited with their families as soon as possible.  In the meantime, they are fed, treated medically, and even have school classes.  They are very well treated.  Every parent lugging kids into the country is aware of this before they arrive.  They are the ones putting themselves in this position.

This has been the process for decades, but suddenly the impression the fake news media wants to give is this is Trump's idea, and it's the equivalent of ''slavery'', ''concentration camps'', and the Japanese ''internment camps''.  And people like Pud eat it up, completely clueless.  Look at this report of the Far Left America-hating ''Progressive'' Fake News Media, marching in lockstep to lie and smear our country and our president.  Truly disgusting. 

And with enough of this sort of ''reporting'', on a variety of issues over time, it's no wonder so many otherwise intelligent people become unhinged, angry, uniformed dipshits:


https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/bill-dagostino/2018/06/18/cable-news-22-comparisons-immigration-policy-holocaust-slavery   

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75361 on: June 19, 2018, 12:55:52 PM »

You know, we've told him, and every other D-Rat supporter who would listen has been told, that the so-called ''main stream media'' they consume and trust have become nothing more than a dishonest, unethical advocacy group for big government, higher taxes, and the far left Democrats.  I guess if a person generally supports big government, higher taxes, and the far left Democrats, and has been told by academia, Hollywood, the media itself, their friends, and perhaps even by their parents that these are simply honest journalists, then they are unlikely to see it for themselves or believe those who tell them.

The industry has been seized by the ''progressives'', who no more believe in honest journalism than they believe in individual liberty, property rights, personal responsibility, free exchange, or our form of government.  They hate our country.  Quick, when is the last time they defended or supported any of that?  They don't.  They've been biased towards Liberalism and ''Progressivism'' at least as far as the 1960s with Walter Cronkite and others, and it's gotten steadily worse over time.  They aren't really even trying to hide it anymore.

As the Ds and media are adept at accusing everyone else of the unethical and illegal conduct they themselves are involved with, much of the time it then becomes ''he said, she said'' for these people and confuses them.  They end up only remembering the media's narrative when that is the only thing being ''reported'', with the rest ignored. 


That this is what routinely goes on is clearer on some issues than others.  The Ds and the media are currently trying to cram as many welfare recipients and new D-Rat voters into our country as they can.  If they can change the demographic significantly, they believe they will become the permanent majority party - as they have in California.  This is what the globalist parties in the EU are doing as well.  It's as simple as that.  And that means leaving the border open and unguarded as long as possible, hopefully permanently.

Never mind we can't afford these people, and never mind we don't want to become another Latin American banana republic.  It's Party First! with these people.  Always.



So knowing the above, and applying it to the ''children being separated from their families'' bleating, we see what's really going on with the media reporting. 

Every country in the world defends their borders.  We're one of the nicest about it, one of the most accommodating.  With 10s of millions of illegal aliens already here, we currently have 10s of thousands more pouring across our borders - now all coached to claim asylum.  Which means once here, they are legally entitled to a hearing before a judge before being turned back.  Being legally required to give these people hearings, we detain them to ensure they don't simply slip away and join the millions of others loose inside the country. 

We do not place children in adult facilities where they would be at risk by predators (gang members, cartel members, random criminals).  They are reunited with their families as soon as possible.  In the meantime, they are fed, treated medically, and even have school classes.  They are very well treated.  Every parent lugging kids into the country is aware of this before they arrive.  They are the ones putting themselves in this position.

This has been the process for decades, but suddenly the impression the fake news media wants to give is this is Trump's idea, and it's the equivalent of ''slavery'', ''concentration camps'', and the Japanese ''internment camps''.  And people like Pud eat it up, completely clueless.  Look at this report of the Far Left America-hating ''Progressive'' Fake News Media, marching in lockstep to lie and smear our country and our president.  Truly disgusting. 

And with enough of this sort of ''reporting'', on a variety of issues over time, it's no wonder so many otherwise intelligent people become unhinged, angry, uniformed dipshits:


https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/bill-dagostino/2018/06/18/cable-news-22-comparisons-immigration-policy-holocaust-slavery   
Corporate welfare is STILL welfare.  When CEO pack in millions while depleting American jobs in favor of going bankrupt or off-shoring.  So many subsidies.  So many bailouts.  Can you see it?  I mean, farmers paid NOT to grow crops?  That's definitely welfare!

Fourteen

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75362 on: June 19, 2018, 01:00:00 PM »

Dr. MD MD,
Winning what challenge?
Sincerely,
Fourteen
P.S. Are any of your guitars acoustic?


President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75363 on: June 19, 2018, 01:05:57 PM »
Corporate welfare is STILL welfare.  When CEO pack in millions while depleting American jobs in favor of going bankrupt or off-shoring.  So many subsidies.  So many bailouts.  Can you see it?  I mean, farmers paid NOT to grow crops?  That's definitely welfare!

Fourteen

Did you see anything about any of that in my post?


President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75364 on: June 19, 2018, 01:08:44 PM »
Corporate welfare is STILL welfare.  When CEO pack in millions while depleting American jobs in favor of gong bankrupt or off-shoring.  So many subsidies.  So many bailouts.  Can you see it?  I mean, farmers paid NOT to grow crops?  That's definitely welfare!

Fourteen

Concur.  Why did Obama Obama sign the welfare checks issued to corporations?

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75365 on: June 19, 2018, 01:13:58 PM »
Corporate welfare is STILL welfare.  When CEO pack in millions while depleting American jobs in favor of going bankrupt or off-shoring.  So many subsidies.  So many bailouts.  Can you see it?  I mean, farmers paid NOT to grow crops?  That's definitely welfare!

Fourteen

If you're asking me if I support any of that, I don't.  We should ensure our products and services are not unfairly discriminated against by countries who want to export their goods here, and we should actively discourage companies from exporting jobs.  I don't think any companies or farmers should be getting bailouts or subsidies.

I do think it's up to companies to decide who to hire to be CEO and how much to pay them.  But in general, huge companies are run for the benefit of the executives, just as unions are run for the benefit of union executives, government agencies are run for the benefit of the agency executives, and so on.  Not sure what to do about that.  Perhaps if we had an honest media, actually interested in investigative journalism rather than ''progressive'' political activism, they could investigate and report on this.  As it stands, the narrative would be limited to ''greedy corporations''.

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75366 on: June 19, 2018, 01:22:31 PM »
All of this screaming and crying and bellyaching over the treatment of the illegal immigrant "children" by all of the liberal MSM, and the Rinos, is NOTHING but just another wedge attack against the Non-Globalist President Trump.

They tried the "Russia" angle, the Stormy angle, and now they're trying "OH woe is me.... THE CHILDREN!!" angle.

SORRY, won't work. Trump is immune to your cackling Bullshit.

America cannot be great with a stream of poor children from Central America.

Just MORE reason for the Fucking Wall to be built!!!!!!!!

No Weapon formed against Trump by anyone shall prosper!


President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75367 on: June 19, 2018, 01:27:35 PM »
All of this screaming and crying and bellyaching over the treatment of the illegal immigrant "children" by all of the liberal MSM, and the Rinos, is NOTHING but just another wedge attack against the Non-Globalist President Trump.

They tried the "Russia" angle, the Stormy angle, and now they're trying "OH woe is me.... THE CHILDREN!!" angle.

SORRY, won't work. Trump is immune to your cackling Bullshit.

America cannot be great with a stream of poor children from Central America.

Just MORE reason for the Fucking Wall to be built!!!!!!!!

No Weapon formed against Trump by anyone shall prosper!

Trump needs to start pummeling Mexico's government.

They are the ones encouraging and enabling Mexicans to come here, and they are the ones enabling Central Americans to travel through their country to ours.  It's an invasion, and should be treated as an act of war.

Mexico has benefited greatly from NAFTA.  They are also far weaker economically and militarily.  They ought to be reminded of all this.  Bluntly.

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75368 on: June 19, 2018, 01:34:37 PM »
Corporate welfare is STILL welfare.  When CEO pack in millions while depleting American jobs in favor of going bankrupt or off-shoring.  So many subsidies.  So many bailouts.  Can you see it?  I mean, farmers paid NOT to grow crops?  That's definitely welfare!

Fourteen

So that's your answer to the real systemic human welfare debacle we have is to point to corporations? Ok...

Guess who EMPLOYS Americans...

Honestly the left is so freaking quick to attack business, every time.

 :(

https://www.creditdonkey.com/welfare-statistics.html

What percentage of Americans are on welfare?

Through the fourth quarter of 2012, there were nearly 110 million Americans receiving some form of government assistance. That's right around 35% of the total U.S. population.

How many Americans receive food stamps?

As of September 2014, about 46.5 million people (or 15%) were receiving food stamps through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).

How many get Medicaid benefits?

Medicaid is a health care program that provides free or low-cost care to qualifying individuals and families. As of 2012, there were some 83 million people (or 26%) receiving Medicaid benefits.

Now those are pretty old stats, but consider, how many medium to large corporations do we have in America?

http://dmdatabases.com/databases/business-mailing-lists/how-many-businesses

Call it say 75,000?

And "corporate welfare" is not what you think it is:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/12/23/more-than-90-of-us-businesses-dont-pay-the-corporate-income-tax/#4439419f5e48

More than 90 percent of businesses, representing more than one-third of all business activity, in the United States are structured as flow-through entities — businesses that do not pay the corporate income tax, but rather pass profits through to owners who pay tax under the individual income tax.

We have two (actually, more than two, but this is the distinction that matters to us here) forms of business ownership. The first is the C Corporation, what we all normally think of as a corporation. The second is an S corporation (in taxation, very like a partnership). And the important thing is that C corporations are the only ones that pay the corporate income tax. S corporations don't: their owners pay individual income tax on the profits. So, if we saw a move from C to S corporations as the method of organisation then we'd see a reduction in corporate income tax paid. But not, possibly, a reduction in total tax paid on business profits.

And that is what seems to have happened at least in part.

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75369 on: June 19, 2018, 01:35:28 PM »
Did you see anything about any of that in my post?

You mentioned the word "welfare" - that sets the left off on corporate attacks every freaking time! :o

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75370 on: June 19, 2018, 01:37:25 PM »
All of this screaming and crying and bellyaching over the treatment of the illegal immigrant "children" by all of the liberal MSM, and the Rinos, is NOTHING but just another wedge attack against the Non-Globalist President Trump.

They tried the "Russia" angle, the Stormy angle, and now they're trying "OH woe is me.... THE CHILDREN!!" angle.

SORRY, won't work. Trump is immune to your cackling Bullshit.

America cannot be great with a stream of poor children from Central America.

Just MORE reason for the Fucking Wall to be built!!!!!!!!

No Weapon formed against Trump by anyone shall prosper!

AMEN BROTHER!

 8)

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75371 on: June 19, 2018, 01:39:00 PM »
Trump needs to start pummeling Mexico's government.

They are the ones encouraging and enabling Mexicans to come here, and they are the ones enabling Central Americans to travel through their country to ours.  It's an invasion, and should be treated as an act of war.

Mexico has benefited greatly from NAFTA.  They are also far weaker economically and militarily.  They ought to be reminded of all this.  Bluntly.

Garnish the remittances immediately, that'll soak them for 27BILLION$ a year!

We can build two walls and have our own "NIZ" - No Illegals Zone....

 ;)

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75372 on: June 19, 2018, 02:01:07 PM »
If all else fails, play this card. ;)


"...but the cheeldrin!"

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75373 on: June 19, 2018, 02:11:24 PM »
If all else fails, play this card. ;)


"...but the cheeldrin!"

Followed by the Nazi/ internment camp bullshit. >:(

Laura Bush should be ashamed of herself:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/19/sarah-sanders-to-laura-bush-trump-trying-to-fix-law-that-your-husband-signed/

“Frankly, this law was actually signed into effect in 2008 under her husband’s leadership, not under this administration,” Sanders said at the White House press briefing on Monday.

The law she was referring to was the Trafficking Victims Prevention Reauthorization Act signed by Bush in 2008, which Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen said was in need of reform.

“This law encourages families to put children in the hands of smugglers to bring them alone on this dangerous trek northward,” Nielsen said during the White House press briefing. “And make no mistake, we’ve talked about this before — this trek is dangerous and deadly.”

In 2014, President Barack Obama’s administration also blamed the Bush-era law for the sudden influx of unaccompanied minors at the border.

But former First Lady Michelle Obama sided with Laura Bush in a statement on Monday.

“Sometimes truth transcends party,” she wrote on Twitter.

Sanders pointed to previous administrations for either creating the problem or failing to fix it.

“We’re not the ones responsible for creating this problem. We’ve inherited it,” she said. “But we’re actually the first administration stepping up and trying to fix it.”

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75374 on: June 19, 2018, 02:22:03 PM »
Save the children!




President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75375 on: June 19, 2018, 02:29:02 PM »
Did you see anything about any of that in my post?
Absolutely not, otherwise your post would have been balanced.  It is unbalanced to debate welfare without mentioning corporate subsidies and welfare.  The amount CEOs "steal" prior to bankrupting their businesses and laying everyone off, is an amount that could probably support most of the employees as a group for a couple of years.  So, they could put that money back into the organization and stop being so greedy for their own wallet.  Then, within a couple of years, the company would be doing fine again. 

While "giving" food and medicine to the (working) poor and money to low-income parents may be considered bad by some, it is FAR more unethical to rack up profits, rake them in, and then siphon them off knowing it will result in layoffs and welfare, knowing the business will be bailed out at government expense.

Fourteen's Mother

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75376 on: June 19, 2018, 02:35:32 PM »
Save the children!





Good old snopes, it's not complete horseshit when the left does something vile, it's just "miscaptioned."

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75377 on: June 19, 2018, 02:42:41 PM »
Absolutely not, otherwise your post would have been balanced.  It is unbalanced to debate welfare without mentioning corporate subsidies and welfare. 

I call bullshit on that.

There is a vast difference between what is called corporate "welfare" and the actual tax law and corporate classifications that allow write-downs of losses and also depreciation of assets.

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The amount CEOs "steal" prior to bankrupting their businesses and laying everyone off, is an amount that could probably support most of the employees as a group for a couple of years. 

So who are these specific CEOs you refer to?

The only one I can think of now is Eddie Lampert and his endless Sears fire sale/real estate sham.

List the others please.


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So, they could put that money back into the organization and stop being so greedy for their own wallet.  Then, within a couple of years, the company would be doing fine again.

What?!?!?!

Which CEOs do you think are rich enough to personally do that and achieve critical mass in turning business around and what makes you think a simple cash infusion can heal a market share loss or untimely acquisition of a competitor?

The fiscal scale is nowhere near addressable with personal sacrifice.

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While "giving" food and medicine to the (working) poor and money to low-income parents may be considered bad by some, it is FAR more unethical to rack up profits, rake them in, and then siphon them off knowing it will result in layoffs and welfare, knowing the business will be bailed out at government expense.

Fourteen's Mother

You presuppose that is generally the case, and it is not.

For example the unions bankrupted GM with their uncompetitive salary demands, job banks, and contestant strikes, and then walked away licking THEIR chops!

Ackerson didn't run their ship aground, in fact decades of competing against themselves with too many product lines became the GM culture and dated from the early days when GM literally bought out half a dozen marques to build their market monster.

I think you lack a background in basic economics and have a pre-loaded anti-business mentality.

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75378 on: June 19, 2018, 02:47:40 PM »
So that's your answer to the real systemic human welfare debacle we have is to point to corporations? Ok...

Guess who EMPLOYS Americans...

Well, thanks for the research...but...Dear, those 75,000 large corporations hire in Pakistan, Nicaragua, the Caribbean, India, and wherever else.  Sure, it sounds like 75,000 large corporations might have 75,000,000 employees... but those employees aren't here anymore.  NAFTA, CAFTA, AND THAT OTHER ONE. 

Also, you and I define corporate welfare differently.  I could be wrong, but I think subsidies are exempt from corporate income tax, too.

Have you seen how little jobs are paying.  We had to make a law here to stop employers from getting supervisors to basically work for free, in the form of what really amounted to constant unpaid overtime.  And, those are the "good" jobs.

To get high-paying jobs, you usually end up with massive student loans.  If you don't pay them, they exponentially grow.  I know an attorney who was still paying them off late in life.  And student loans will be the next bailout, after they screw all the little people first I suppose.  And the CEOs will walk away richer, richer than ever before.

MANY of the corporations you cite are small businesses with less than 50 employees who are exempt from many labor laws, usually hire part-timers, and pay minimum wage.  Except a slightly higher wage for "supervisors" who end up working huge unpaid overtime.  Or taking work home.  I have seen it all the time.

I don't really have the wherewithal to discuss politics for very much time, and I'm probably not knowledgeable to "prove" anything.  But, I know unfair, biased paradigms when I see them.

Everyone has bias.  I have bias, much to my own dismay.  It's common to attribute good results to a person or organization we emotionally support.  But that is irrational when the facts show otherwise.  We also give way more latitude to someone we like.  But if someone we don't like is having a bad day, we judge them harshly.  I appreciate the objective statistics you provided, because numbers are accurate in ways that opinions just aren't.

Number Fourteen


President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75379 on: June 19, 2018, 02:48:41 PM »
Absolutely not, otherwise your post would have been balanced.  It is unbalanced to debate welfare without mentioning corporate subsidies and welfare.  The amount CEOs "steal" prior to bankrupting their businesses and laying everyone off, is an amount that could probably support most of the employees as a group for a couple of years.  So, they could put that money back into the organization and stop being so greedy for their own wallet.  Then, within a couple of years, the company would be doing fine again. 

While "giving" food and medicine to the (working) poor and money to low-income parents may be considered bad by some, it is FAR more unethical to rack up profits, rake them in, and then siphon them off knowing it will result in layoffs and welfare, knowing the business will be bailed out at government expense.

Fourteen's Mother

My post was about the fake news media, who they are, what their agenda is, and how that applies to the grossly dishonest ''reporting'' about the children of illegal immigrants supposedly being put in concentration camps.  That's why you didn't see anything about corporate welfare in it.  It wasn't remotely relevant to the post

But thank you for your post.  You, Pud, Tiger Lily, and the others do the rest of us a great service in posting comments.  It provides great insight into how it is we get the politicians and government we have, and helps us understand how it is the fake news media is as effective as it is.

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75380 on: June 19, 2018, 02:49:23 PM »
As the worthless demokkkrat leadership in the media and in office compare the United States to Nazi concentration camps we must remember these great words:

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"The Holocaust was a singular event in human history, and it is an insult to the memory of the millions who died as a result of Hitler's plan of mass extermination to compare the Nazi dictator to any American president," - Abraham H. Foxman, American Defamation League national director and a Holocaust survivor.

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75381 on: June 19, 2018, 02:55:53 PM »
Save the children!



This reminds me of the time the Palestinians were caught shooting their own kids and telling the media the Israelis did it.

One really can't accuse the Left of being more vile than what they actually are.  Party First!

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75382 on: June 19, 2018, 02:58:18 PM »
Okay, so 14 is your dress size, right?
14 is my pituitary size.  And my home room classroom door number.

Fourteen

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75383 on: June 19, 2018, 03:06:06 PM »

You know, we've told him, and every other D-Rat supporter who would listen has been told, that the so-called ''main stream media'' they consume and trust have become nothing more than a dishonest, unethical advocacy group for big government, higher taxes, and the far left Democrats.  I guess if a person generally supports big government, higher taxes, and the far left Democrats, and has been told by academia, Hollywood, the media itself, their friends, and perhaps even by their parents that these are simply honest journalists, then they are unlikely to see it for themselves or believe those who tell them.

The industry has been seized by the ''progressives'', who no more believe in honest journalism than they believe in individual liberty, property rights, personal responsibility, free exchange, or our form of government.  They hate our country.  Quick, when is the last time they defended or supported any of that?  They don't.  They've been biased towards Liberalism and ''Progressivism'' at least as far as the 1960s with Walter Cronkite and others, and it's gotten steadily worse over time.  They aren't really even trying to hide it anymore.

As the Ds and media are adept at accusing everyone else of the unethical and illegal conduct they themselves are involved with, much of the time it then becomes ''he said, she said'' for these people and confuses them.  They end up only remembering the media's narrative when that is the only thing being ''reported'', with the rest ignored. 


That this is what routinely goes on is clearer on some issues than others.  The Ds and the media are currently trying to cram as many welfare recipients and new D-Rat voters into our country as they can.  If they can change the demographic significantly, they believe they will become the permanent majority party - as they have in California.  This is what the globalist parties in the EU are doing as well.  It's as simple as that.  And that means leaving the border open and unguarded as long as possible, hopefully permanently.

Never mind we can't afford these people, and never mind we don't want to become another Latin American banana republic.  It's Party First! with these people.  Always.



So knowing the above, and applying it to the ''children being separated from their families'' bleating, we see what's really going on with the media reporting. 

Every country in the world defends their borders.  We're one of the nicest about it, one of the most accommodating.  With 10s of millions of illegal aliens already here, we currently have 10s of thousands more pouring across our borders - now all coached to claim asylum.  Which means once here, they are legally entitled to a hearing before a judge before being turned back.  Being legally required to give these people hearings, we detain them to ensure they don't simply slip away and join the millions of others loose inside the country. 

We do not place children in adult facilities where they would be at risk by predators (gang members, cartel members, random criminals).  They are reunited with their families as soon as possible.  In the meantime, they are fed, treated medically, and even have school classes.  They are very well treated.  Every parent lugging kids into the country is aware of this before they arrive.  They are the ones putting themselves in this position.

This has been the process for decades, but suddenly the impression the fake news media wants to give is this is Trump's idea, and it's the equivalent of ''slavery'', ''concentration camps'', and the Japanese ''internment camps''.  And people like Pud eat it up, completely clueless.  Look at this report of the Far Left America-hating ''Progressive'' Fake News Media, marching in lockstep to lie and smear our country and our president.  Truly disgusting. 

And with enough of this sort of ''reporting'', on a variety of issues over time, it's no wonder so many otherwise intelligent people become unhinged, angry, uniformed dipshits:


https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/bill-dagostino/2018/06/18/cable-news-22-comparisons-immigration-policy-holocaust-slavery   
Was it not mentioned in paragraph 4?  Well, I saw that.  Is that what they call a trigger?  It's just that I think I've heard you diss citizen welfare so much, without ever admitting corporate welfare.  Anyhow. :-\

Fourteen

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75384 on: June 19, 2018, 03:11:03 PM »
Well, thanks for the research...but...Dear, those 75,000 large corporations hire in Pakistan, Nicaragua, the Caribbean, India, and wherever else.  Sure, it sounds like 75,000 large corporations might have 75,000,000 employees... but those employees aren't here anymore.  NAFTA, CAFTA, AND THAT OTHER ONE. 

Also, you and I define corporate welfare differently.  I could be wrong, but I think subsidies are exempt from corporate income tax, too.

Have you seen how little jobs are paying.  We had to make a law here to stop employers from getting supervisors to basically work for free, in the form of what really amounted to constant unpaid overtime.  And, those are the "good" jobs.

To get high-paying jobs, you usually end up with massive student loans.  If you don't pay them, they exponentially grow.  I know an attorney who was still paying them off late in life.  And student loans will be the next bailout, after they screw all the little people first I suppose.  And the CEOs will walk away richer, richer than ever before.

MANY of the corporations you cite are small businesses with less than 50 employees who are exempt from many labor laws, usually hire part-timers, and pay minimum wage.  Except a slightly higher wage for "supervisors" who end up working huge unpaid overtime.  Or taking work home.  I have seen it all the time.

I don't really have the wherewithal to discuss politics for very much time, and I'm probably not knowledgeable to "prove" anything.  But, I know unfair, biased paradigms when I see them.

Everyone has bias.  I have bias, much to my own dismay.  It's common to attribute good results to a person or organization we emotionally support.  But that is irrational when the facts show otherwise.  We also give way more latitude to someone we like.  But if someone we don't like is having a bad day, we judge them harshly.  I appreciate the objective statistics you provided, because numbers are accurate in ways that opinions just aren't.

Number Fourteen

So what is your ultimate point?  That this is a complete and accurate view of Capitalism, so we should turn our country over to the Far Left Marxists? Before we do, let's check out a few countries like Nicaragua and Venezuela to see how their ideas work in practice.

Yes, after eight years of Obama things stagnated and flaws that were unaddressed worsened.  What did you expect when you voted for a Marxist trying to destroy the country, a man who's worldview is completely wrong? Even the Democrats admitted as much after they lost, although as a party they now seem to have renounced any thought of reverting back to representing the middle class. 

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75385 on: June 19, 2018, 03:13:05 PM »
Well, thanks for the research...but...Dear, those 75,000 large corporations hire in Pakistan, Nicaragua, the Caribbean, India, and wherever else.

Oh no...

So they also employ people in poorer nations, the cads!

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Sure, it sounds like 75,000 large corporations might have 75,000,000 employees... but those employees aren't here anymore.  NAFTA, CAFTA, AND THAT OTHER ONE. 

You did NOT come loaded with the facts, but I did:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/22/ten-largest-employers/2680249/

Walmart is the largest American employer, with a workforce of nearly 2.2 million people. However, because of its international reach, only 1.3 million of those were employed in the United States.

Each of America's 10 largest employers has a workforce of more than 300,000 people. Some of the companies, such as Walmart and McDonald's, offer mostly low-wage jobs. Others, such as IBM and General Electric, are leading technological innovators and their workforces are more highly skilled and better compensated. 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the 10 American companies that, combined, employed more than 5.6 million workers.

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Also, you and I define corporate welfare differently.  I could be wrong, but I think subsidies are exempt from corporate income tax, too.

Obviously so, for any tax subsidy - ipso facto!

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Have you seen how little jobs are paying.  We had to make a law here to stop employers from getting supervisors to basically work for free, in the form of what really amounted to constant unpaid overtime.  And, those are the "good" jobs.

A consequence of our 8 year Obamanation...

And as you accurately identified really bad trade agreements which Trump is exiting for us - yay Trump!

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To get high-paying jobs, you usually end up with massive student loans. 

Not at all, where is your data set for that?

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If you don't pay them, they exponentially grow.

True of any debt a person refuses to service, so?

If they result in such "high paying jobs" then why aren't they being repaid in timely manner?

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I know an attorney who was still paying them off late in life.

Anecdotes - the palliative of the left.

Maybe he was a crappy attorney with a bad business model.

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And student loans will be the next bailout, after they screw all the little people first I suppose. 

Yes that is what Bernie and the proggie DemoTards propose!

Not under Trump...

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And the CEOs will walk away richer, richer than ever before.

Because of unpaid student loans?

Huh?

That makes NO sense at all.

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MANY of the corporations you cite are small businesses with less than 50 employees who are exempt from many labor laws, usually hire part-timers, and pay minimum wage.

No I specifically cited mid to large shops.

The list contains a full breakdown.

It was not MY personal list.

Be honest.

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Except a slightly higher wage for "supervisors" who end up working huge unpaid overtime.  Or taking work home.  I have seen it all the time.

Anecdotes again.

It's always the same with you lot, cite some poor individual or hard case and expand it out to imply all.

Sloppy rhetoric.

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I don't really have the wherewithal to discuss politics for very much time, and I'm probably not knowledgeable to "prove" anything.  But, I know unfair, biased paradigms when I see them.

No doubt, having just launched a flotilla of your own...

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Everyone has bias.  I have bias, much to my own dismay.

The left has bias AND additionally excess emotion to fuel it.

A toxic combination.

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It's common to attribute good results to a person or organization we emotionally support.  But that is irrational when the facts show otherwise.  We also give way more latitude to someone we like.  But if someone we don't like is having a bad day, we judge them harshly.  I appreciate the objective statistics you provided, because numbers are accurate in ways that opinions just aren't.

Number Fourteen

I'm pleased to hear that, and I have no special warmth for subsidies or welfare, of many kinds.

Welfare should be a safety net, not a lifetime entitlement.


President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75386 on: June 19, 2018, 03:16:51 PM »
Was it not mentioned in paragraph 4?  Well, I saw that.  Is that what they call a trigger?  It's just that I think I've heard you diss citizen welfare so much, without ever admitting corporate welfare.  Anyhow. :-\

Fourteen

It's no "trigger" to state accurately that the Dems want to import a new slave demographic of illegals to be their replacement voters - having jettisoned factory workers, the rust belt, anyone who is "white" and a host off other "deplorables"...

 >:(

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75387 on: June 19, 2018, 03:17:32 PM »
I call bullshit on that.

There is a vast difference between what is called corporate "welfare" and the actual tax law and corporate classifications that allow write-downs of losses and also depreciation of assets.

So who are these specific CEOs you refer to?

The only one I can think of now is Eddie Lampert and his endless Sears fire sale/real estate sham.

List the others please.


What?!?!?!

Which CEOs do you think are rich enough to personally do that and achieve critical mass in turning business around and what makes you think a simple cash infusion can heal a market share loss or untimely acquisition of a competitor?

The fiscal scale is nowhere near addressable with personal sacrifice.

You presuppose that is generally the case, and it is not.

For example the unions bankrupted GM with their uncompetitive salary demands, job banks, and contestant strikes, and then walked away licking THEIR chops!

Ackerson didn't run their ship aground, in fact decades of competing against themselves with too many product lines became the GM culture and dated from the early days when GM literally bought out half a dozen marques to build their market monster.

I think you lack a background in basic economics and have a pre-loaded anti-business mentality.
What you call economics is only one type of economic theory.

I am pro-business.  My work history is very, very long, mostly for private businesses and have been a contractor as well as self-employed.  I have worked for Democrat business owners, yay!

But, here is the negative list you requested:
Jon Corzine, MF Global
Richard Fuld, Lehman Brothers
Look I don't have the time to devote to this.  It is a well-known fact many CEOs exploit their positions while hurting taxpayers.  Here is an article, but it also discusses fraud and theft, not just exploitation.
https://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-vs-social-welfare/

Fourteen


Started Working At Fourteen

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75388 on: June 19, 2018, 03:17:40 PM »
Was it not mentioned in paragraph 4?  Well, I saw that.  Is that what they call a trigger?  It's just that I think I've heard you diss citizen welfare so much, without ever admitting corporate welfare.  Anyhow. :-\

Fourteen

Yes, flooding our welfare system is part of why the Ds want these people to come here.  But the post wasn't about that, other than in passing.  So you're right, it's a trigger word for you.

If you don't believe me, read up on the Cloward-Piven strategy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy 


And as someone else mentioned, much (most?) of what is included in ''corporate welfare'' is simply allowing companies to deduct their expenses before arriving at taxable income.  The dishonest media doesn't actually bring that up though, they just lump it in with the (far fewer) trigger items, knowing most people are economically illiterate, trust them when they write something, and assume few will ask for details

President Donald J. Trump
« Reply #75389 on: June 19, 2018, 03:23:48 PM »
... Look I don't have the time to devote to this.  It is a well-known fact many CEOs exploit their positions while hurting taxpayers....

Out of literally millions of incorporated businesses in this country, not to mention partnerships and very small unincorporated businesses.

It's also a well know fact that thousands of political entities across the country at all levels are corrupt, unresponsive, unaccountable, and waste a fairly significant percentage of the country's wealth.  At least businesses create and provide goods and services we want and need.  The governmental agencies produce far less, and at a much higher cost for useful output.  Corruption is rampant.

For some reason though, we have a significant percent of the population who believe government is ''public service'', and business is ''greed''.  And the fake news media supports that view, so we get very skewed ''journalism'' on the topic