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Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27090 on: January 11, 2017, 01:56:04 AM »

That's not a legitimate argument, and neither are you.

I'm an argument? A typo is a fallacy?

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27091 on: January 11, 2017, 01:57:55 AM »
I'm an argument? A typo is a fallacy?

He doesn't like you.




Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27094 on: January 11, 2017, 02:01:03 AM »
He doesn't like you.

Is that you or Jackstar?

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27095 on: January 11, 2017, 02:04:20 AM »
Is that you or Jackstar?

At first you were just an unprincipled ideological shill to me but you've never seen Star Wars?! I hate you.  ::)

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27096 on: January 11, 2017, 02:04:39 AM »

Hahahaha!

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1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won’t have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.



Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27097 on: January 11, 2017, 02:06:46 AM »
Where is that in the report?

I think the LT is into kinky shit and just likes to discuss the possibilities.  She's just a tad too gleeful with the idea of women being hired to pee on things.  Probably has something to do with her not being fully potty trained until she was in the eleventh grade. 

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27098 on: January 11, 2017, 02:16:15 AM »
It has nothing to do with the report. Not sure what special website they're getting that from.

I see.  Apparently posting fake leaks from the report was a thing that deceived some people.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27099 on: January 11, 2017, 03:43:24 AM »
It's interesting that Paul Manafort's name should surface as a go-between with Russia and the Trump camp. Coincidently, the date of this intelligence report is 20 June 2016--the same date Cory Lewandowski is fired by Trump. Evidently an "ultimatum" was issued by Manafort to get rid of Lewandowski or he'd quit.

Paul Manafort, the veteran operative who since March has been amassing influence inside Trump HQ, recently telegraphed through third parties he would be gone in 48 hours if Trump didn’t oust Lewandowski, who'd run his campaign from the outset. Manafort was fed up with battling Lewandowski and let the campaign know the two of them "just couldn't get along."
From there, it became a family affair. Trump’s daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner didn’t want to lose Manafort, believing him to be the more experienced hand to guide the campaign into the general election.
They convinced Trump to keep him – and the only way to do that, given Manafort’s terms, was to dump Lewandowski. Faced with a choice, Trump chose Manafort.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/20/source-trump-advisers-ultimatum-prompted-move-to-oust-lewandowski.html

 

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27100 on: January 11, 2017, 03:44:34 AM »
Literally everything that is supposedly "compromising" material, is shit that would cause every single "Deplorable" to stand up and cheer.


Obvious psyop is obvious. Now, I am prepared to be open to the possibility that they faked their faking of some fake news in order to fake as though fake news is really fake, but I'm not inclined to waste my time on that sort of thing.

Rabbit holes are another psyop.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27101 on: January 11, 2017, 03:46:48 AM »
Coincidently, the date of this intelligence report is 20 June 2016

#1)

#2) You misspelled a word. DISQUALIFIED.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27102 on: January 11, 2017, 03:50:12 AM »

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27103 on: January 11, 2017, 04:08:40 AM »

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27104 on: January 11, 2017, 04:15:32 AM »
#1)

#2) You misspelled a word. DISQUALIFIED.


Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27105 on: January 11, 2017, 04:26:35 AM »
1. The anon didn't contact Wilson and say "hi, I'm from 4chan's /pol/ board". He created a fictitious GOP #nevertrump identity.
2. Anon passed the bullshit story to Wilson who then passed it onto a "veteran spy" (presumed to be Evan McMullin - former cia operative) who then passed it on to John McCain who then passed it on to various intelligence agencies from where it was then leaked to the media/Buzzfeed. So Wilson is correct in that he isn't Buzzfeed's source.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27106 on: January 11, 2017, 04:35:01 AM »
1. The anon didn't contact Wilson and say "hi, I'm from 4chan's /pol/ board". He created a fictitious GOP #nevertrump identity.
2. Anon passed the bullshit story to Wilson who then passed it onto a "veteran spy" (presumed to be Evan McMullin - former cia operative) who then passed it on to John McCain who then passed it on to various intelligence agencies from where it was then leaked to the media/Buzzfeed. So Wilson is correct in that he isn't Buzzfeed's source.

pud, you'll be reading this soon so take note: THIS IS 3D CHESS!  ;D

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27107 on: January 11, 2017, 04:59:03 AM »


Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27108 on: January 11, 2017, 05:02:59 AM »

No kidding.  Fanfiction was a November addendum to the June 20th report. They were late to the party.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27109 on: January 11, 2017, 05:10:59 AM »
I think we should ask Pud if this paragraph sounds like the writing of a seasoned British intelligence officer:


Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27110 on: January 11, 2017, 05:38:58 AM »
The seasoned British officer also referred to a soccer tournament. He called metric football soccer.


Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27112 on: January 11, 2017, 05:47:34 AM »
Perhaps the 4chan story as published by Buzzfeed is actually a Trump false flag.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27113 on: January 11, 2017, 05:50:17 AM »
Perhaps the 4chan story as published by Buzzfeed is actually a Trump false flag.

I think the whole sordid thing is true and Trump leaked it to inoculate himself against blackmail before he's sworn in.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27114 on: January 11, 2017, 06:00:28 AM »
How predictable. You naively assume it's the Democrats. If even elements of this story are true, it could become just the tool the GOP needs to extract Trump from their team. Many of them still see Trump as a nuisance and potentially obstructive to their agenda.

You think the Republican DC insiders are this creative?   

The other problem with your theory is the only people who think others would fall for it are the Daily Kaos / Code Pink / Berkeley-Oakland-Portland wing of Occupy/BLM types - you know, the adolescent-kook America-haters of the left-coast Left. 

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27115 on: January 11, 2017, 06:12:18 AM »
Other people who would believe it, and have the B-52s on the way to Moscow, are John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27116 on: January 11, 2017, 06:14:07 AM »
Other people who would believe it, and have the B-52s on the way to Moscow, are John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

Ummm...no...and no one should ever believe anything those two say.  ::)

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27117 on: January 11, 2017, 06:27:53 AM »
Other people who would believe it, and have the B-52s on the way to Moscow, are John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

Yes, there are always going to be gullible people, and there are always going to be those more susceptible to confirmation bias in general - but the only people who would put that out thinking the general public would believe it are the types I referenced.

In other words, I don't see Mitch McConnell and his toadies a) thinking it up, b) creating a forgery that looks so perfectly Occupy-ish, and c) putting it out thinking it will ''have legs'', so to speak.

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27118 on: January 11, 2017, 06:54:14 AM »
FFS, this guy is such a fucking retard embarrassment! How could you people do this to us -- you who voted for him -- and that's rhetorical so don't bother answering, but really, 4 years of this idiot, as our C & C !!!  God help us!

Re: President-Elect Donald J. Trump
« Reply #27119 on: January 11, 2017, 06:54:42 AM »
Other people who would believe it, and have the B-52s on the way to Moscow, are John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

I'm sure Moscow would love to have the B-52s, but I don't think they'd be interested in going. Especially in light of these new revelations about Trump.