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Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #330 on: October 05, 2011, 12:28:50 PM »
 
 
     Bert Jansch dead at 67...

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #331 on: October 05, 2011, 06:55:37 PM »
Steve Jobs

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #332 on: October 05, 2011, 07:58:49 PM »
Steve Jobs
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/jobs-apple-co-founder-is-dead/?hp

I don't think this belongs here as Jobs was not a celebrity but a tech visionary


Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #333 on: October 05, 2011, 09:30:29 PM »
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/jobs-apple-co-founder-is-dead/?hp

I don't think this belongs here as Jobs was not a celebrity but a tech visionary

Let's compromise: a tech visionary with celebrity status.   


Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #334 on: October 05, 2011, 11:01:31 PM »
Let's compromise: a tech visionary with celebrity status.

Absolutely.  Jobs was a rock star to the tech-consuming public.  He was given far too much credit for Apple's initial success in the 70's, but his hard-driving leadership style will be taught in business schools for years.  Now that he's gone, it will be interesting to see a more even-handed treatment of his accomplishments at Apple.  Was Apple's phenomenal success a product of his pretty much being a prick, or in spite of it?  That likely isn't speaking ill of the dead, as Steve said he was a prick and was proud of the fact.

Then again, some say that the upper echelons of the corporate world are the exclusive domain of the sociopath.  Anyone with a shred of conscience or ethical hesitation would be eaten alive well before reaching the top.

Anyway, R.I.P. Steve.


Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #335 on: October 06, 2011, 03:59:58 AM »
Wed 10/5/2011: Actor Charles Napier has died at age 75.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51502
http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x771640177/Charles-Napier-Bakersfields-leading-man-dies-at-75

Remember him as "Adam" the singing space hippie on Star Trek, a "good 'ole boy" in Blues Brothers, or "Murdoch" in Rambo: First Blood Part II?


Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #336 on: October 08, 2011, 02:35:58 PM »
 
 
      Al Davis dead at 82...

Al Bielek dead?
« Reply #337 on: October 14, 2011, 09:18:21 PM »
Hey all.  Started 1/2 listening to a stream of C2C last night.  And, thought I heard Snoory (doing news) mention death  of Al Bielek.  Searching didn't reveal anything...except a death notice dated last May, and mention that  one (or more such) were hoaxes.

Does anyone know if the poor old dude is around yet?  Thanks for any info.

Re: Al Bielek dead?
« Reply #338 on: October 14, 2011, 09:22:12 PM »

    According to Noory, Mr Bielek "won't be down for breakfast"...but like you,I've found no other evidence of his demise.

Re: Al Bielek dead?
« Reply #339 on: October 15, 2011, 03:30:26 AM »
Noory tonight confirmed Al Bielek passed away in his 80s.

Re: Al Bielek dead?
« Reply #340 on: October 15, 2011, 04:01:44 AM »
I heard it Thursday night on Noory (was stuck at work and was pleasantly surprised how listenable the show was--probably because GN mostly kept his mouth shut and let the guests talk/debate). Afterwards I looked it up also, and found a few things that seemed to confirm it, but nothing on any newswires or any other authoritative source. However, I'd assume that even in its decline Coast wouldn't make such an announcement unless it was the real deal. Sad, though--if not surprising--that the interview excerpt they played was Al with George rather than Al with Art.

Re: Al Bielek dead?
« Reply #341 on: October 17, 2011, 06:03:55 PM »
al's not dead.  he's just "winding down, folks."

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #342 on: November 01, 2011, 03:14:08 AM »
Absolutely.  Jobs was a rock star to the tech-consuming public.  He was given far too much credit for Apple's initial success in the 70's, but his hard-driving leadership style will be taught in business schools for years.  Now that he's gone, it will be interesting to see a more even-handed treatment of his accomplishments at Apple.  Was Apple's phenomenal success a product of his pretty much being a prick, or in spite of it?  That likely isn't speaking ill of the dead, as Steve said he was a prick and was proud of the fact.

Then again, some say that the upper echelons of the corporate world are the exclusive domain of the sociopath.  Anyone with a shred of conscience or ethical hesitation would be eaten alive well before reaching the top.

Anyway, R.I.P. Steve.


Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #343 on: November 01, 2011, 04:52:36 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile

How does one explain the late jimmy savile to non-brits? Probably best not to try.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #344 on: November 29, 2011, 01:03:12 PM »
patrice oneal.   dead.  age 41.  a really funny, smart man.  that sucks.



Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #345 on: November 29, 2011, 02:20:40 PM »
patrice oneal.   dead.  age 41.  a really funny, smart man.  that sucks.



       The curse of "Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn" rolls on. Greg Giraldo and now Patrice.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #346 on: December 08, 2011, 08:23:33 AM »
Harry Morgan, dead of pneumonia at 96

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/08/3308503/harry-morgan-1915-2011-an-appreciation.html

Rest in Peace, Colonel Potter


Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #347 on: December 16, 2011, 06:44:25 AM »
 
 
Christopher Hitchens
I like him.  Smart guy.  Knew how handle idiots.
One of the last humans on earth who still lit up
a cigarette on television.
Sad he spent the latter half of
his life at war with God.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #348 on: December 16, 2011, 06:54:39 AM »
Sad news about Hitchens.  I was just looking into his health status a few days ago.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #349 on: December 16, 2011, 10:35:53 AM »

         That sucks, though he lasted a little longer than initially expected. I have about 15 of his books on the shelf. Great,absolutely fantastic TV guest...

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #350 on: December 16, 2011, 11:17:28 AM »
Hitchens- I never understood how such a smart man could admire mass murdering thugs like Lenin, Mao, and Che- meanwhile writing a book condemning Mother Theresa.  Sure, be an atheist, you'll get no argument from me... But don't judge people by their motives, judge them by their behavior.  I'll take Mother Theresa over Lenin any day.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #351 on: December 16, 2011, 12:53:08 PM »
Hitchens- I never understood how such a smart man could admire mass murdering thugs like Lenin, Mao, and Che- meanwhile writing a book condemning Mother Theresa.  Sure, be an atheist, you'll get no argument from me... But don't judge people by their motives, judge them by their behavior.  I'll take Mother Theresa over Lenin any day.

I'm familiar with his criticisms of Mother Theresa but not with the admiration of those you've named.  Are you talking about small comments made or something larger from one of his books?  I'm just interested to see exactly what he liked about them.

The best I could find with Google was one quote about Lenin praising one particular thing.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #352 on: December 16, 2011, 01:12:33 PM »
I'm familiar with his criticisms of Mother Theresa but not with the admiration of those you've named.  Are you talking about small comments made or something larger from one of his books?  I'm just interested to see exactly what he liked about them.

The best I could find with Google was one quote about Lenin praising one particular thing.
He was a self described Marxist.  He regarded both Lenin and Trotsky as great men.  He called Che "A role model."  He was surprised later in life "to see Mao Zedong relegated like a despot of antiquity."

http://www.pbs.org/heavenonearth/interviews_hitchens.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2004/jul/11/features.review
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/mao-zedong

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #353 on: December 16, 2011, 02:18:34 PM »
He was a self described Marxist.  He regarded both Lenin and Trotsky as great men.  He called Che "A role model."  He was surprised later in life "to see Mao Zedong relegated like a despot of antiquity."

http://www.pbs.org/heavenonearth/interviews_hitchens.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2004/jul/11/features.review
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/mao-zedong

Interesting links, thanks for those.

On Mao I think you misread what he was saying.  The full quote is:

"Call no man lucky until he is dead, but there have been moment of rare satisfaction in the often random and fragmented life of the radical freelance scribbler. I have lived to see Ronald Reagan called “a useful idiot for Kremlin propaganda” by his former idolators; to see the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union regarded with fear and suspicion by the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (which blacked out an interview with Miloš Forman broadcast live on Moscow TV); to see Mao Zedong relegated like a despot of antiquity."

I don't see how in any way that is saying something good about Mao.

Saying he called Che a role model and leaving it at that is taking it out of context too, unless he goes into more details in another article.  I'm not saying by any means I agree with everything Hitchens said, far from that, but I don't think you're fairly quoting him.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #354 on: December 16, 2011, 02:41:10 PM »
Interesting links, thanks for those.

On Mao I think you misread what he was saying.  The full quote is:

"Call no man lucky until he is dead, but there have been moment of rare satisfaction in the often random and fragmented life of the radical freelance scribbler. I have lived to see Ronald Reagan called “a useful idiot for Kremlin propaganda” by his former idolators; to see the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union regarded with fear and suspicion by the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (which blacked out an interview with Miloš Forman broadcast live on Moscow TV); to see Mao Zedong relegated like a despot of antiquity."

I don't see how in any way that is saying something good about Mao.

Saying he called Che a role model and leaving it at that is taking it out of context too, unless he goes into more details in another article.  I'm not saying by any means I agree with everything Hitchens said, far from that, but I don't think you're fairly quoting him.
We could split hairs all day.  All I'm saying is that he was prone to be an apologist for Marxism, overlooking it's consequences, while castigating selfless people like Mother Theresa because of her motives.  I like Hitchens, he was funny and bright, but it takes a morally confused person to think that way.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #355 on: December 16, 2011, 03:01:05 PM »
We could split hairs all day.  All I'm saying is that he was prone to be an apologist for Marxism, overlooking it's consequences, while castigating selfless people like Mother Theresa because of her motives.  I like Hitchens, he was funny and bright, but it takes a morally confused person to think that way.

For sure, we can agree on everything you said there.  Morally confused sums up a lot of his views as far as I understand them.  There are conflicting quotes from him on Marxism and socialism all over the place.  Marxism, Lenin, and Trotsky aren't something I know enough about to even have a valid opinion on, let alone critiquing someone elses opinion.  I hope I didn't sound confrontational for the sake of it.  Notice most of your post I didn't address because either I agreed or am too ignorant on the topic to say anything half intelligent.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #356 on: December 16, 2011, 03:22:13 PM »
For sure, we can agree on everything you said there.  Morally confused sums up a lot of his views as far as I understand them.  There are conflicting quotes from him on Marxism and socialism all over the place.  Marxism, Lenin, and Trotsky aren't something I know enough about to even have a valid opinion on, let alone critiquing someone elses opinion.  I hope I didn't sound confrontational for the sake of it.  Notice most of your post I didn't address because either I agreed or am too ignorant on the topic to say anything half intelligent.
Not at all.  We're just two friends talking.

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #357 on: December 16, 2011, 04:16:07 PM »
 
     Hitchens had a hard-left background, tending to salivate over Allende et al. I found him fascinating to read, though I disagreed with him probably 75% of the time.

          But his flipping off Bill Maher's audience of imbeciles who were too late for the Montel taping gets him into Cooperstown for me. 

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #358 on: December 17, 2011, 07:23:20 AM »
Hitchens- I never understood how such a smart man could admire mass murdering thugs like Lenin, Mao, and Che- meanwhile writing a book condemning Mother Theresa.  Sure, be an atheist, you'll get no argument from me... But don't judge people by their motives, judge them by their behavior.  I'll take Mother Theresa over Lenin any day.
I read his book, God Is Not Great.... I think that was the title. I never liked Hitchens, from the moment I heard his voice on the radio. Anyway, that book made me understand him better. He was a miserable guy with a bad childhood. Some people can get over the past, while others let themselves be defined by it. I think Hitchens was just a crabby man who used faith as a punching bag. Reading the book, I never even got the sense that he gave faith a fair chance, so for him to constantly knock it was disturbing.


As for his mocking Mother Theresa, yea, he was just trying to be edgy. Sorry, I can't see it differently, especially with the ridiculous title of the book, Missionary Position. What an ass!

Re: Celebrity Deaths
« Reply #359 on: December 18, 2011, 09:41:10 PM »
 
    Kim Jong Il will not be down for breakfast.
   What a year...Bin Laden, Al-A Whacky, Khadaffi  and now Jimmy Carter's lil' buddy.