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« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2019, 03:46:07 PM »
This is why I loath feminism. It appears that it is no longer a 'slippery slope' but more of a hard shove off a cliff.

Perhaps she is the face of the real 'Terminators' we should fear.

Feminist author: Abortion ‘is a form of killing that we need to be able to defend’

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/feminist-author-abortion-is-a-form-of-killing-that-we-need-to-be-able-to-defend


Amazing.

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"Editor’s Note: For brevity’s sake, we’re using the word “women” to describe people who get pregnant and “men” to describe those who impregnate them. But people of all genders can get pregnant and get people pregnant, and this guide is intended to be a useful resource for them as well."
https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/mens-guide-to-abortion

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« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2019, 04:50:01 PM »
This is why I loath feminism. It appears that it is no longer a 'slippery slope' but more of a hard shove off a cliff.

Perhaps she is the face of the real 'Terminators' we should fear.

Feminist author: Abortion ‘is a form of killing that we need to be able to defend’

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/feminist-author-abortion-is-a-form-of-killing-that-we-need-to-be-able-to-defend


Abortion is killing we defend, just like war, laboratory research speciments, hunting, livestock, pesticides, and rodent management.

And, to some extent, road kill is also a type of "defended" killing, because no one seems interested in preventing road kill with guard rails (they do help), barriers, speed enforcement, deer whistle requirement, repellent in pavement & road paint, sonics on utility poles, less sudden development, less development which does not include wildlife mitigation, and less street development cutting off animal populations from their water source.

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« Reply #92 on: June 12, 2019, 08:04:33 PM »
Abortion is killing we defend, just like war, laboratory research speciments, hunting, livestock, pesticides, and rodent management.

Did you listen to her whole death pitch? As it is, we have the left defending killing right up to and immediately after birth. Some are pressing for this to be extended to 30 days after birth.

The left compare a developing baby to tumors and parasites. And now this creature has reduced pregnancy to 'gestational work' that can be terminated on a whim.

Their goals are clearly stated- abolish the family and break down identity/relationships with biological parents through industrialized surrogacy.  Isn't that dehumanizing? Doesn't that sound like tending to herd animals?

We see the effects of damage done to children from abuse, neglect, and failure to recognize developmental problems. We see the "it takes a village" approach to child care in the monumental failures in child protective services. You think this is the way forward for humanity- ironically to lose one's humanity?

Couldn't this 'justified killing' then be applied to the elderly, the disabled, or anyone who lacks what the state determines to be a good quality of life?

DPS expressed his concern about AI and robots displacing human employees in the future. What if the state decides that it no longer needs to expend resources on the excess humans?

If we go down this path, abortion might be a life long option and become a moral duty of the herd humans. 


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« Reply #93 on: June 12, 2019, 08:31:47 PM »
Did you listen to her whole death pitch? As it is, we have the left defending killing right up to and immediately after birth. Some are pressing for this to be extended to 30 days after birth.

The left compare a developing baby to tumors and parasites. And now this creature has reduced pregnancy to 'gestational work' that can be terminated on a whim.

Their goals are clearly stated- abolish the family and break down identity/relationships with biological parents through industrialized surrogacy.  Isn't that dehumanizing? Doesn't that sound like tending to herd animals?

We see the effects of damage done to children from abuse, neglect, and failure to recognize developmental problems. We see the "it takes a village" approach to child care in the monumental failures in child protective services. You think this is the way forward for humanity- ironically to lose one's humanity?

Couldn't this 'justified killing' then be applied to the elderly, the disabled, or anyone who lacks what the state determines to be a good quality of life?

DPS expressed his concern about AI and robots displacing human employees in the future. What if the state decides that it no longer needs to expend resources on the excess humans?

If we go down this path, abortion might be a life long option and become a moral duty of the herd humans.
What is odd is that, especially in other countries, abortion favors males. Both from an actually able to be born (females in some cultures often aborted) and also as a way to "take care of a problem" aspect. Yet, so many so-called "feminists" support it? Because the goal isn't "women's rights" but as you mention just other front in the full-court press to destroy our country and Western Cultural in general.

The latter is already happening in some places and with some recent law changes where euthanasia is expanded and many social media, and even real media, promoting suicide, suicide "games," dangerous "challenges" to children, etc.


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« Reply #94 on: June 12, 2019, 11:26:25 PM »
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The left compare a developing baby to tumors and parasites. And now this creature has reduced pregnancy to 'gestational work' that can be terminated on a whim...

Of course. She made a very good point that the fetus is committing violence to the "gestator", and as such the "gestator" is well within their rights to terminate the life of the person harming them (or putting them through discomfort that they do not wish to endure.)

I do also believe that this should continue to the age of majority (18 or 21.) At any point prior to that, the "maturing fetus" may be committing violence or be too much of a financial drain or cause unwelcome lifestyle changes and their lives should be snuffed out.

This is a very simple, self-evident solution. I would also suggest that if we adopt her reasoning and thinking, it may be best to terminate certain authors...  ;)

If we go down this path, abortion might be a life long option and become a moral duty of the herd humans.

What do you have against eugenics? (America was far ahead of Nazi German on this front.) Many a scholar wrote a convincing paper showing why it is cruel and inhumane to let those who do not have a good quality of life (as judged by their standards) reproduce (or in some cases, continue in this world.) I want to return to the progressive era of the early 1900's.

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« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2019, 11:39:59 PM »
Of course. She made a very good point that the fetus is committing violence to the "gestator", and as such the "gestator" is well within their rights to terminate the life of the person harming them (or putting them through discomfort that they do not wish to endure.)

I do also believe that this should continue to the age of majority (18 or 21.) At any point prior to that, the "maturing fetus" may be committing violence or be too much of a financial drain or cause unwelcome lifestyle changes and their lives should be snuffed out.

This is a very simple, self-evident solution. I would also suggest that if we adopt her reasoning and thinking, it may be best to terminate certain authors...  ;)

What do you have against eugenics? (America was far ahead of Nazi German on this front.) Many a scholar wrote a convincing paper showing why it is cruel and inhumane to let those who do not have a good quality of life (as judged by their standards) reproduce (or in some cases, continue in this world.) I want to return to the progressive era of the early 1900's.
The only issues are:
1) limiting immigration and only from good areas (enacting laws like both our countries had)
2) the already element existing here and how to, humanely, deal with them.Kidding, of course.



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« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2019, 11:57:21 PM »

What do you have against eugenics? (America was far ahead of Nazi German on this front.) Many a scholar wrote a convincing paper showing why it is cruel and inhumane to let those who do not have a good quality of life (as judged by their standards) reproduce (or in some cases, continue in this world.) I want to return to the progressive era of the early 1900's.

Yeah- what could go wrong? Its not like unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats are ever insane or simply self-serving pr*cks who hold the rest of humanity in contempt. What are you worried about- as long as you can generate some profit for them- you should be safe- for now...

Everyone gives all the credit to the National Socialists and overlook the supreme efforts of the communists- they didn't even bother with 'good quality of life' as an excuse.

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« Reply #97 on: June 13, 2019, 12:05:15 AM »
Did you listen to her whole death pitch? As it is, we have the left defending killing right up to and immediately after birth. Some are pressing for this to be extended to 30 days after birth.

The left compare a developing baby to tumors and parasites. And now this creature has reduced pregnancy to 'gestational work' that can be terminated on a whim.

Their goals are clearly stated- abolish the family and break down identity/relationships with biological parents through industrialized surrogacy.  Isn't that dehumanizing? Doesn't that sound like tending to herd animals?

We see the effects of damage done to children from abuse, neglect, and failure to recognize developmental problems. We see the "it takes a village" approach to child care in the monumental failures in child protective services. You think this is the way forward for humanity- ironically to lose one's humanity?

Couldn't this 'justified killing' then be applied to the elderly, the disabled, or anyone who lacks what the state determines to be a good quality of life?

DPS expressed his concern about AI and robots displacing human employees in the future. What if the state decides that it no longer needs to expend resources on the excess humans?

If we go down this path, abortion might be a life long option and become a moral duty of the herd humans.
I watched the whole thing, yes.  My background is really different from yours, but I agree she was (for me) a tad bit far out.

When I researched this alleged new thing of late term abortions, I found that the real stances had been totally blown out of proportion.  I only saw one state that allows late-term abortions, for the woman's health.  But they need to define "health" so it's not just a concern like stretch marks...  brb

Do you have any links about this alleged post-birth abortion desire in people?  I checked last week & couldn't find any.  Snopes & all.  I am adamantly opposed to infanticide.  It is Satanic.  Also, if an abortion attempt results in a live birth, all states (from what I saw) require the baby to be sustained and placed for adoption.  As it should be.

I know people who would agree with the video, and they don't have the desire to ruin family or society at all.  When you refer to the destruction of animal herd identity/families, that concept really offends me.  Livestock owners should treat animal families humanely.  Just like human families should be sacred.  I guess you see I agree with your overarching values.

I don't know what to say about your 4th paragraph.  I'm sure we agree on the deeper principles. 

No justified killings should occur.  Hospice laws need to be tightened up.  My state prohibits human assisted suicide, but it happens all the time.  I don't like it.

Yes, greedy corporations already don't accord humans enough resources.  And government drones don't seem to care about humanity.  Sure, robots will increase corporate greed, and humans will suffer.  But it's hard to imagine government turning on its own citizens like that.  Did you envision any possible scenarios?  I can't even fathom.

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« Reply #98 on: June 13, 2019, 12:06:28 AM »
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That is a thing of beauty. I think I may show a couple of people who will appreciate it tomorrow.  :)

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« Reply #99 on: June 13, 2019, 12:10:51 AM »
That is a thing of beauty. I think I may show a couple of people who will appreciate it tomorrow.  :)

Happy to share.  :)


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« Reply #100 on: June 13, 2019, 12:30:38 AM »
Of course. She made a very good point that the fetus is committing violence to the "gestator", and as such the "gestator" is well within their rights to terminate the life of the person harming them (or putting them through discomfort that they do not wish to endure.)

I do also believe that this should continue to the age of majority (18 or 21.) At any point prior to that, the "maturing fetus" may be committing violence or be too much of a financial drain or cause unwelcome lifestyle changes and their lives should be snuffed out.

This is a very simple, self-evident solution. I would also suggest that if we adopt her reasoning and thinking, it may be best to terminate certain authors...  ;)

What do you have against eugenics? (America was far ahead of Nazi German on this front.) Many a scholar wrote a convincing paper showing why it is cruel and inhumane to let those who do not have a good quality of life (as judged by their standards) reproduce (or in some cases, continue in this world.) I want to return to the progressive era of the early 1900's.
I know a few parents who would agree with you about their children becoming an inconvenience, lol.

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« Reply #101 on: June 13, 2019, 01:50:39 AM »

Do you have any links about this alleged post-birth abortion desire in people?  I checked last week & couldn't find any.  Snopes & all.  I am adamantly opposed to infanticide.  It is Satanic.  Also, if an abortion attempt results in a live birth, all states (from what I saw) require the baby to be sustained and placed for adoption.  As it should be.

I posted more than one source for these two news stories.

https://mobile.wnd.com/2019/06/new-state-law-declares-abortion-free-for-all/

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/illinois-governor-signs-bill-scrapping-third-trimester-abortion-restrictions/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/born-alive-bill-fails-to-pass-senate-vote/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/25/senate-democrats-block-republicans-anti-infanticid/

I know people who would agree with the video, and they don't have the desire to ruin family or society at all.  When you refer to the destruction of animal herd identity/families, that concept really offends me.  Livestock owners should treat animal families humanely.  Just like human families should be sacred.  I guess you see I agree with your overarching values.

You are just taking the piss here- right?


But it's hard to imagine government turning on its own citizens like that.  Did you envision any possible scenarios?  I can't even fathom.

I'll just leave this here.



Have you seen these movies? Just another POV.






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« Reply #102 on: June 13, 2019, 02:14:55 AM »
I checked last week & couldn't find any.  Snopes


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« Reply #103 on: June 13, 2019, 03:21:05 AM »
I posted more than one source for these two news stories.
-Trying to keep up, in the heat.

https://mobile.wnd.com/2019/06/new-state-law-declares-abortion-free-for-all/
-According to some commentators, this is not true and it's a felony in Illinois to kill a living baby.  https://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2019/feb/20/donald-trump/trump-wrongly-claims-northam-said-he-would-execute/

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/illinois-governor-signs-bill-scrapping-third-trimester-abortion-restrictions/
-The law was unenforceable because the federal government said so in the past.  https://abguide.uchicago.edu/page/legal-faqs-about-abortion-care-illinois, References, #2.  The act is still prohibited by federal law.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/born-alive-bill-fails-to-pass-senate-vote/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/25/senate-democrats-block-republicans-anti-infanticid/
-Well, they don't need to pass it because in 2002 the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was passed by Congress.  It accords full legal rights to any infant born at any stage of development. 
Also, the same article states, "Brandi, of Physicians for Reproductive Health, said she had never heard of a case of a child born after a failed abortion attempt. 'This is a part of the false narrative around this bill and abortion later in pregnancy,' she said." https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/25/18239964/born-alive-abortion-survivors-protection-2019-sasse



You are just taking the piss here- right? 
-Yes, can't say enough about protecting born animals too!


I'll just leave this here.



Have you seen these movies? Just another POV.


I viewed videos like these a couple years ago and found them not to be as stated.  In other words, I was not convinced that the offenses described actually happened.  The videos were straight forward, but the allegations had been salacious. 

It's a moot point to me, though.  It is just as morally corrupt to use aborted babies for research as it is to fertilize extra eggs during fertility treatment, knowing you're going to murder them later.  We don't need the stem cells of little babies - adult stem cells work.  We don't need to use baby tissues for research, and I'm very glad Trump cancelled the big contract for aborted babies for federal research again.  https://www.lifenews.com/2019/06/05/president-trump-cancels-2-million-contract-to-purchase-body-parts-of-aborted-babies-for-research/



-Well, this is a tear jerker, but my videos aren't working very well.  Anyhow, fetuses might grimace for a variety of facial development reasons - only a scientist would know if it was actually feeling pain.  This is kind of like seeing a possum get hit by the car ahead of you, & noticing its face looks like it's cursing you as your car approaches.  But their expressions always look beady-eyed and blameful.  In any case, it is morally corrupt to use aborted beings for our own self-serving research and development, like to work on the enhancement of soft drink flavoring.  Heinous.  So, I wouldn't support any body parts being donated.  I personally believe they are owed a funeral.  But, if parts are going to be used, the baby better be dead first.  If they need a beating heart, well make sure the brain is dead.  And vice versa.

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« Reply #104 on: June 13, 2019, 03:24:36 AM »

Instead of retaliating, you could still go back & find a source instead of grand-standing/blaming the listener.

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« Reply #105 on: June 13, 2019, 04:42:43 AM »
You have all you need. Your feigned inability to cultivate proper study habits is not compelling.

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« Reply #106 on: June 13, 2019, 10:07:48 AM »
You have all you need. Your feigned inability to cultivate proper study habits is not compelling.
It is up to the arguer to cite their source.  Perhaps I could endeavor longer, but proving your statements is not wise since I've never heard of them & they might not be true.

And don't use videos because I can't view most of them.

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« Reply #107 on: June 13, 2019, 10:13:08 AM »
You have all you need. Your feigned inability to cultivate proper study habits is not compelling.

She's a moron.  You haven't figured that out yet?  This must be a long term play to get pics of her boobs.  Carry on bro

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« Reply #108 on: June 13, 2019, 10:21:58 AM »
Of course. She made a very good point that the fetus is committing violence to the "gestator", and as such the "gestator" is well within their rights to terminate the life of the person harming them (or putting them through discomfort that they do not wish to endure.)

I do also believe that this should continue to the age of majority (18 or 21.) At any point prior to that, the "maturing fetus" may be committing violence or be too much of a financial drain or cause unwelcome lifestyle changes and their lives should be snuffed out.

This is a very simple, self-evident solution. I would also suggest that if we adopt her reasoning and thinking, it may be best to terminate certain authors...  ;)

What do you have against eugenics? (America was far ahead of Nazi German on this front.) Many a scholar wrote a convincing paper showing why it is cruel and inhumane to let those who do not have a good quality of life (as judged by their standards) reproduce (or in some cases, continue in this world.) I want to return to the progressive era of the early 1900's.

Why?! That’s really where it started to go all wrong.

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« Reply #109 on: June 13, 2019, 10:24:56 AM »
She's a moron...
Yep.  I just added Archie's Dingbat to my ignore list.

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« Reply #110 on: June 14, 2019, 03:33:36 AM »
Jackstar cannot be taken seriously if he just grandstands.  Anyone on high school debate team knows that.  If I'm being blocked from ItsOver after Jackstar being a prick, then that can go both ways, Jackstar.  Didn't you do something like this last summer, too?  I can't seem to get through a whole year/summer without blocking you.  I'm sure you've heard that a few times.  Is summer a bad time for you?  Is that when you broke your ankle as a kid?

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« Reply #111 on: June 14, 2019, 04:03:36 AM »
Jackstar cannot be taken seriously

I guess you should ask for a refund.

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« Reply #112 on: June 14, 2019, 08:49:37 AM »
Jackstar cannot be taken seriously if he just grandstands.  Anyone on high school debate team knows that.  If I'm being blocked from ItsOver after Jackstar being a prick, then that can go both ways, Jackstar.  Didn't you do something like this last summer, too?  I can't seem to get through a whole year/summer without blocking you.  I'm sure you've heard that a few times.  Is summer a bad time for you?  Is that when you broke your ankle as a kid?

So very lame that you’re threatening to take your ball back and go home. No one’s taking it seriously though. You’re the new Falkie here. :D

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« Reply #113 on: June 14, 2019, 09:05:08 AM »
... You’re the new Falkie here. :D
Worse.  At least Falkie can do YouTube.  She can't even handle going as Doc Groyper's guest.

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« Reply #114 on: June 14, 2019, 09:10:58 AM »
Worse.  At least Falkie can do YouTube.  She can't even handle going as Doc Groyper's guest.

I know! What a disappointment. :(

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« Reply #115 on: June 14, 2019, 09:17:38 AM »
I know! What a disappointment. :(
Heh, heh, heh.  A quality entertainment opportunity missed.  ;D



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« Reply #116 on: June 14, 2019, 05:15:40 PM »
Despite the left's long-standing efforts to disguise the reality of abortion through heavy use of euphemism and unconscionable rationalization, most recognize that abortion is the violent taking of a human life.   Not knowing  the "fetus" as the individual he will become with his own distinct  personality does not make it any less so.  The only differentiation to be made is the point in the gestation period at which the abortion takes place.  The more developed the "fetus" the more pain it will feel and, in my mind, the more heinous the act.  While we as adults may be guilty of many things, the only thing the helpless victims of abortion are guilty of in the vast majority of cases is existing but being unwanted by the mother or both parents.  Hardly a reason for imposing the death penalty.

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« Reply #117 on: June 15, 2019, 12:00:06 PM »
Despite the left's long-standing efforts to disguise the reality of abortion through heavy use of euphemism and unconscionable rationalization, most recognize that abortion is the violent taking of a human life.   Not knowing  the "fetus" as the individual he will become with his own distinct  personality does not make it any less so.  The only differentiation to be made is the point in the gestation period at which the abortion takes place.  The more developed the "fetus" the more pain it will feel and, in my mind, the more heinous the act.  While we as adults may be guilty of many things, the only thing the helpless victims of abortion are guilty of in the vast majority of cases is existing but being unwanted by the mother or both parents.  Hardly a reason for imposing the death penalty.
Then to think of the ones that were not even guilty of existing at all, but were brought into existence by fertility doctors and mothers who then decided they had too many!  Hardly  appropriate to give them the dealt penalty!

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« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2019, 10:06:17 AM »
Then to think of the ones that were not even guilty of existing at all, but were brought into existence by fertility doctors and mothers who then decided they had too many!  Hardly  appropriate to give them the dealt penalty!

Congratulations!   You have broken the record for the most logical fallacies contained in any statement of equivalent length posted on BG. 

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« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2019, 10:11:33 AM »
Congratulations!   You have broken the record for the most logical fallacies contained in any statement of equivalent length posted on BG.
Heh, heh, heh.