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Abortion
« on: May 18, 2019, 12:19:34 AM »
Alabama won't allow abortion in cases of incest or rape.  And Missouri is following along.

So, if a girl is raped, Alabama has forced her to be:

-Public about the rape/pregnancy.  Many women do not want people to know they were raped.  An 198-year old living with her parents might not want to tell them about the rape, but then they will assume she was promiscuous & she could lose their respect and housing.

-The one who is responsible for the child birthing fees, often in the thousands.

-Victimized for 18 years of being connected to the criminal for child support

-Victimized for 9 months of morning sickness & overweight on her joints

-Probably loses her job

-Is traumatized by childbirth pains

-Is traumatized by having to decide whether or not to adopt out a baby AFTER her hormonal body has bonded her with it, not before
Faced with residual childhood healthcare issues if the rapist caused Fetal Alcohol or Drug Syndrome or had diseases that passed to the baby.

-Lacking clothing, for the pregnancy and for the ensuing permanently wider hip structure

-Risking her sexual health, as any pregnancy can result in many complications, including serious, irreparable prolapse (blockage of the vagina by a fallen uterus or other organ.)

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2019, 12:45:37 AM »
Typical non issue from left / right political liars , there are not 5 men on USSC to overturn Roe .

USSC will swat the little gnat away .

Re: Abortion
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2019, 12:53:49 AM »
Alabama won't allow abortion in cases of incest or rape.  And Missouri is following along.

If the bill(s) provided rape/incest exemptions, would you still oppose it?  That's not some "gotcha" question.  I'm simply interested to know.

There's a reason abortion has been such a powder keg issue in this country compared to the relative "calm" surrounding the issue among some of our European counterparts; Citizens here were entirely excluded from the process of deciding the matter.  Then, without the consent of those who oppose abortion, tax dollars were funneled into organizations that provide abortions while pro-abortion forces shouted, "Neener neener neeeeeener!" in their faces.  Then, certain politicians started speaking as if they'd support post-birth abortion.  Then, the New York State Legislature physically stood and cheered as it passed a bill guaranteeing abortion up to the point of birth. 

My point is, pro-abortion forces in this country have over reached.  The heavy handed blowback you see in MO and AL is what they get as a consequence.  There are countless otherwise reasonable people who, after having witnessed decades of behavior like that described above, are decidedly pleased watching the current outrage of those who support abortion access.  For them, the shock and anger expressed over these bills is a delicious treat.


Re: Abortion
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2019, 12:56:56 AM »
USSC will swat the little gnat away .

I think that's the probable outcome.


Re: Abortion
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2019, 03:20:30 AM »
If the bill(s) provided rape/incest exemptions, would you still oppose it?  That's not some "gotcha" question.  I'm simply interested to know.

There's a reason abortion has been such a powder keg issue in this country compared to the relative "calm" surrounding the issue among some of our European counterparts; Citizens here were entirely excluded from the process of deciding the matter.  Then, without the consent of those who oppose abortion, tax dollars were funneled into organizations that provide abortions while pro-abortion forces shouted, "Neener neener neeeeeener!" in their faces.  Then, certain politicians started speaking as if they'd support post-birth abortion.  Then, the New York State Legislature physically stood and cheered as it passed a bill guaranteeing abortion up to the point of birth. 

My point is, pro-abortion forces in this country have over reached.  The heavy handed blowback you see in MO and AL is what they get as a consequence.  There are countless otherwise reasonable people who, after having witnessed decades of behavior like that described above, are decidedly pleased watching the current outrage of those who support abortion access.  For them, the shock and anger expressed over these bills is a delicious treat.

We certainly weren't consulted about abortion in the UK and I'm sure that's true for most of Europe, with the exception of majority Catholic countries like Ireland, and maybe Poland. You don't have direct democracies where every issue is decided at the ballot box. The idea that people were sneering on the left about abortion rights...seriously? You think that's what motivates them? That sounds more like the musings of a hearing-impaired Palm Beach resident who was caught trying to enter the Dominican Republic with a suitcase full of Viagra.

That thing about post-birth abortion was a ruse designed to trigger the right and it sounds like you fell for it. It described a hypothetical situation that would almost certainly never happen, but that little spark was enough to start a brush fire and it's now part of right-wing mythology that doctors are all in favour of killing babies. But the signal to noise ratio in your country is so biased in favour of noise that nobody stops to consider whether they've been manipulated.

It's funny how freedom takes a back seat when it comes to abortion. That great conservative fetish that is used to justify any action against the poor is forgotten when it comes to forcing women to do things which are certainly life-changing if not life-threatening. Nobody's talking about making abortion compulsory, but you have a burgeoning theocratic movement who are all in favour of freedom as long as it's freedom to do what they approve of.

I believe you that a lot on the right are getting a kick out of all this. That's because most of them aren't serious people and treat politics like a daytime soap. Witness all the people on this forum who bang on about 'liberals' and think they've made some powerful point. The right constantly pretends it's being victimised despite all evidence to the contrary and this is another example of the way they don't let facts get in the way of reality.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2019, 03:27:14 AM »
What good is banning individual abortions, when Big Pharma & Big Insurance are allowed to promote covert abortions via hormonal birth control & fertility treatments.  Millions of women nationwide who are on the Pill could theoretically be aborting fertilized embryos every month.  No one knows the numbers.  And "snowflake embryos" are babies, too, yet murders abound, with no regulation, and worse, corporations' development departments use the carcasses for free in order to innovate products for consumers.

Forgive me for going on, but sometimes the quasi-abortion debate or incomplete debate about abortion seems like such a moot point when science hasn't even figured out how to save ectopic babies.  It should be very simple to loosen the fallopian tubes or to use suction to help the egg come down.  I know this because doctors can send a balloon into a man's vein to save him from heart damage, and a man's vein is much, much smaller than a woman's fallopian tube per my research.  Sometimes in the debates to save babies, it seems like no one really cares.  They just want to have drama in the debate.  Because if the public really cared, they would demand solutions to the murders caused by hormonal birth control, fertility treatments, and ectopic pregnancies.

So, as I see it, no one really cares about actual abortion.  They only care about WOMEN who don't want to be mothers committing it.  Because no one seems to have any problem aborting ectopic embryos when obviously other solutions could be innovated.  And no one seems to have any problem with hormonal birth control having abortifacients in its ingredients.  And no one seems to mind at all that mothers who go through expensive fertility treatments to fulfill their motherly roles also murder their surplus fertilized embryos.  And, the law does not have any care about whether or not women who have access to abortion end up using it as birth control (multiple abortions).  No one seems to care at all.  The murdering of the babies is evidently not the real debate.  Because I just named four examples of commonplace baby murdering in the USA that no one even blinks at or seems to know about.  But murdering babies, on all scales at all levels, should be the debate.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2019, 03:40:19 AM »
If the bill(s) provided rape/incest exemptions, would you still oppose it?  That's not some "gotcha" question.  I'm simply interested to know.

There's a reason abortion has been such a powder keg issue in this country compared to the relative "calm" surrounding the issue among some of our European counterparts; Citizens here were entirely excluded from the process of deciding the matter.  Then, without the consent of those who oppose abortion, tax dollars were funneled into organizations that provide abortions while pro-abortion forces shouted, "Neener neener neeeeeener!" in their faces.  Then, certain politicians started speaking as if they'd support post-birth abortion.  Then, the New York State Legislature physically stood and cheered as it passed a bill guaranteeing abortion up to the point of birth. 

My point is, pro-abortion forces in this country have over reached.  The heavy handed blowback you see in MO and AL is what they get as a consequence.  There are countless otherwise reasonable people who, after having witnessed decades of behavior like that described above, are decidedly pleased watching the current outrage of those who support abortion access.  For them, the shock and anger expressed over these bills is a delicious treat.
The short answer is I wouldn't like it.  I would not wholeheartedly support it.  But as far as actual voting...

It would depend.  Like, if the only way a rape/incest victim could get an abortion in Alabama was for me to vote for a ban on normal abortion, I might vote for the bill because healthy women would just have to politically compromise so that traumatized women could get help.  But it would be a sad vote, like the least of two evils.  Like choosing between D. Trump and H. Clinton.

More moderately, at the moment, Alabama's bill has been adjusted to allow abortions up to 8 weeks.  If that were the only way to get abortion available to women, I might vote for it.

But I would wholeheartedly support a bill allowing healthy women abortion up to 12 weeks.  That said, women with PCOS & developmentally disabled women should be allowed more time, because they might not know they are pregnant.

I think abortion is wrong, but women live inside their bodies and so they have certain domain.  Legalizing abortion prevents women from heinously abusing their uteri, resulting in very damaged, living children.  Here's one:  https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a50831/the-coat-hanger-abortion-is-back-and-this-time-women-can-be-jailed-for-it/
So, the consequences of not allowing abortion can be more heinous than legalizing it.

Abortion is wrong.  Even though I support women's right to choose abortion within parameters, I don't believe in abortion as a principle.  It is wrong.  It's often clear-cut murder.   If a woman gets pregnant, 99% of the time it is her own fault & she should own up to her responsibilities.  In most situations, there is no excuse for a consenting, reproductively healthy woman to allow herself to be impregnanted against her wishes.  There are myriads of types of birth control, including the rhythm method, which sex ed does cover I think, & which can be used in combination with every other method.  There is just no excuse for "accidental" pregnancies.   Sometimes men are resistant to using condoms, but women need to be assertive.  There are many kinds of condoms, so a compromise should be possible, plus there is the female condom as well as the sponge, which sort of is a female condom.  The two can even be used together, even with spermicide up there first.  Not to mention the patch, the pill, IUDs, cervical caps, condoms & anything else I forgot.  Obtaining birth control is easy in the modern world.  A woman can by-pass her MD & just walk into any Planned Parenthood without an appointment to obtain forms of birth control.  That's what I've always done.  Employees at Planned Parenthood have the "doctor" title which legally allows them to distribute the sponge, and all birth control.  Heck, half the time the sponge is found on grocery store shelves even though prescriptions are supposed to be required.  Many types of birth control are on grocery shelves, including female condoms.  Even in worst case scenarios, adoption is always an option.  Or relying on one's parents or the father's parents to help financially & with child care in the time of need.  And there's always welfare and WIC programs.  Women who become unexpectedly pregnant can also turn to a pro-life agency for assistance & guidance. 

While I don't mind tax dollars supporting Medicaid abortions, I am offended that my tax dollars support civilian-killing missiles & murderous drones.  No one asked my side if we consent to each particular war.

I think the leader said he was wrongfully mis-quoted about live birth murders, which are illegal in all states always.  But I get your point.

Technically, liberals didn't say up to the point of birth, they just said within the time frame of non-viability outside the womb.  But I agree that parameter is pretty loose.  Just like how they changed "jeopardy of the woman's life" to "jeopardy of the woman's life or health", which is also pretty loosey-goosey in definition.

I don't mind that they removed the requirement for a baby's advocate in the birthing room in case a baby was born alive who had been expected to come out aborted.  Because whether an advocate is present or not, I trust that the baby would quickly be placed for adoption via the healthcare provider.  Anything less would be murder.

EXCEPT they took abortion entirely out of murder statutes.  So, not sure about the above paragraph.  Doesn't sound good.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2019, 04:38:53 AM »
The short answer is I wouldn't like it.  I would not wholeheartedly support it.  But as far as actual voting...

It would depend.  Like, if the only way a rape/incest victim could get an abortion in Alabama was for me to vote for a ban on normal abortion, I might vote for the bill because healthy women would just have to politically compromise so that traumatized women could get help.  But it would be a sad vote, like the least of two evils.  Like choosing between D. Trump and H. Clinton.

More moderately, at the moment, Alabama's bill has been adjusted to allow abortions up to 8 weeks.  If that were the only way to get abortion available to women, I might vote for it.

But I would wholeheartedly support a bill allowing healthy women abortion up to 12 weeks.  That said, women with PCOS & developmentally disabled women should be allowed more time, because they might not know they are pregnant.

I think abortion is wrong, but women live inside their bodies and so they have certain domain.  Legalizing abortion prevents women from heinously abusing their uteri, resulting in very damaged, living children.  Here's one:  https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a50831/the-coat-hanger-abortion-is-back-and-this-time-women-can-be-jailed-for-it/
So, the consequences of not allowing abortion can be more heinous than legalizing it.

Abortion is wrong.  Even though I support women's right to choose abortion within parameters, I don't believe in abortion as a principle.  It is wrong.  It's often clear-cut murder.   If a woman gets pregnant, 99% of the time it is her own fault & she should own up to her responsibilities.  In most situations, there is no excuse for a consenting, reproductively healthy woman to allow herself to be impregnanted against her wishes.  There are myriads of types of birth control, including the rhythm method, which sex ed does cover I think, & which can be used in combination with every other method.  There is just no excuse for "accidental" pregnancies.   Sometimes men are resistant to using condoms, but women need to be assertive.  There are many kinds of condoms, so a compromise should be possible, plus there is the female condom as well as the sponge, which sort of is a female condom.  The two can even be used together, even with spermicide up there first.  Not to mention the patch, the pill, IUDs, cervical caps, condoms & anything else I forgot.  Obtaining birth control is easy in the modern world.  A woman can by-pass her MD & just walk into any Planned Parenthood without an appointment to obtain forms of birth control.  That's what I've always done.  Employees at Planned Parenthood have the "doctor" title which legally allows them to distribute the sponge, and all birth control.  Heck, half the time the sponge is found on grocery store shelves even though prescriptions are supposed to be required.  Many types of birth control are on grocery shelves, including female condoms.  Even in worst case scenarios, adoption is always an option.  Or relying on one's parents or the father's parents to help financially & with child care in the time of need.  And there's always welfare and WIC programs.  Women who become unexpectedly pregnant can also turn to a pro-life agency for assistance & guidance. 

While I don't mind tax dollars supporting Medicaid abortions, I am offended that my tax dollars support civilian-killing missiles & murderous drones.  No one asked my side if we consent to each particular war.

I think the leader said he was wrongfully mis-quoted about live birth murders, which are illegal in all states always.  But I get your point.

Technically, liberals didn't say up to the point of birth, they just said within the time frame of non-viability outside the womb.  But I agree that parameter is pretty loose.  Just like how they changed "jeopardy of the woman's life" to "jeopardy of the woman's life or health", which is also pretty loosey-goosey in definition.

I don't mind that they removed the requirement for a baby's advocate in the birthing room in case a baby was born alive who had been expected to come out aborted.  Because whether an advocate is present or not, I trust that the baby would quickly be placed for adoption via the healthcare provider.  Anything less would be murder.

EXCEPT they took abortion entirely out of murder statutes.  So, not sure about the above paragraph.  Doesn't sound good.

Yes, one side of the abortion issue should not gloat.  Gloating almost always contaminates a dynamic.  And it does seem liberals went too far - I'm pretty politically liberal, but I don't buy the whole "non-viable" thing in New York as an excuse for abortion at all.  Because even if a baby is non-viable outside the womb, it still deserves to live and even more so as it is more developed each week.  And now New York allowing a woman to have an abortion for her "health's" sake could be a lousy as her just not wanting stretch marks.

Re: Falcon Punch Abortion
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2019, 11:15:44 AM »

So, if a girl is raped

Kill it the old fashioned way


Re: Falcon Punch Abortion
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2019, 12:32:20 PM »
Kill it the old fashioned way


Good point.  If abortion is outlawed, some men will kill the fetus by nearly killing the woman.  Imagine how hard and how many times you'd have to punch a fat abdomen to try to kill a fetus.   Beating a woman's (or anyone's) pancreas can result in diabetes, inability to digest saturated fat, and inability to assimilate nutrients from food.  I suppose some fetuses could survive and be born damaged for life, possibly brain damaged or paralyzed.

Re: Falcon Punch Abortion
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2019, 01:04:53 PM »

Re: Falcon Punch Abortion
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2019, 02:34:20 PM »

The authors state is it parody, which I believe.  I think in this article, though, that at least one admits to being a criminal druggie.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2019, 04:30:07 PM »
Alabama won't allow abortion in cases of incest or rape.  And Missouri is following along.

So, if a girl is raped, Alabama has forced her to be:

-Public about the rape/pregnancy.  Many women do not want people to know they were raped.  An 198-year old living with her parents might not want to tell them about the rape, but then they will assume she was promiscuous & she could lose their respect and housing.

-The one who is responsible for the child birthing fees, often in the thousands.

-Victimized for 18 years of being connected to the criminal for child support

-Victimized for 9 months of morning sickness & overweight on her joints

-Probably loses her job

-Is traumatized by childbirth pains

-Is traumatized by having to decide whether or not to adopt out a baby AFTER her hormonal body has bonded her with it, not before
Faced with residual childhood healthcare issues if the rapist caused Fetal Alcohol or Drug Syndrome or had diseases that passed to the baby.

-Lacking clothing, for the pregnancy and for the ensuing permanently wider hip structure

-Risking her sexual health, as any pregnancy can result in many complications, including serious, irreparable prolapse (blockage of the vagina by a fallen uterus or other organ.)

Extremism begets extremism.  New York and Virginia favor laws that would allow for post delivery abortion of babies and Alabama, Mississippi and other states favor virtual elimination of abortion. 

Re: Abortion
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2019, 04:43:22 PM »
Leftists won't be satisfied until women are guaranteed no appointment drive-through abortion with a tummy tuck and boob job thrown in. 

Re: Abortion
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2019, 05:08:03 PM »
Extremism begets extremism.  New York and Virginia favor laws that would allow for post delivery abortion of babies and Alabama, Mississippi and other states favor virtual elimination of abortion.
I don't think Alabama and Mississippi have any problem allowing abortions.  Because every day, without balking:
-Alabama and Mississippi allow unregulated abortion of fertilized embryos that exist due to fertility treatments, no questions asked.  Such embryos could be killed by torture and no one would even know.  Because of this lack of regulation, how do we as society know that these embryos are not being trafficked into other countries, into covert human rights abuse programs, or even into covert Satanism?
-Alabama and Mississippi allow any woman who has had an abortion to have multiple abortions, using abortion as birth control with no law otherwise on any books.
-Alabama and Mississippi allow the unwitting, undocumented abortions of fertilized embryos subject to abortifacient hormones in The Pill, which are mandatory for the women who use The Pill, not optional, and which "kick in" if the other hormones in the pill do not suffice.
-Alabama and Mississippi allow the abortion of ectopic pregnancy fetsuses, when obviously developers could fix this problem.  Sometimes babies get stuck in one of the mother's fallopian tubes.  Doctors could widen the tube with a balloon or use balloons to wipe the inner tubes of entrapment tissue.  I know this because a fallopian tube is much wider than a man's vein, & balloons are sent to clean and widen men's veins all the time.

Universities, corporations, and insurance companies often benefit from the four types of legal abortions listed above.  And, corporations also save money by not innovating fallopian tube preventions/solutions.

So, maybe conservative states THINK they oppose abortion.  But the facts say that conservatives are actually quite fine with a lot of abortions performed for the benefit of pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies.

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I don't think Virginia actually would favor infanticide.  Can you give me a link?

I think New York needs to put certain kinds of abortion back into its statutes that define murder.  Even more, when you think of how some men murder a fetus by beating the pregnant woman.  So, abortion can be murder and New York should straighten that out on the books.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2019, 10:30:10 PM »
Ban BaRFF!

Birth control abortifacients
Repeated abortions by same woman
Failure of technology to fix fallopian abortions
Fertility treatment murder-style abortions (snowflake embryos)

Re: Abortion
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2019, 01:58:24 AM »
Leftists won't be satisfied until women are guaranteed no appointment drive-through abortion with a tummy tuck and boob job thrown in.

Always a bogeyman.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2019, 04:28:28 AM »
Leftists won't be satisfied until women are guaranteed no appointment drive-through abortion with a tummy tuck and boob job thrown in.
I am a leftist and I want:

A limit on how many abortions one intelligent, able woman can order.
Angio-balloons to come to the rescue and stop fallopian abortions.
The removal of covert abortifactients in The Pill.
A prohibition on fertility treatment surplus embryo murder/abortion.

These are four common, obvious types of abortion that I think most reasonable people agree would should be stopped, if they took a moment to start really thinking about saving babies.  These are easy calls that would save a lot of babies.  After all, a baby is a baby is a baby.  Doesn't matter whether it was created by fertility treatments for a rich white woman, or created by unprotected sex in a less privileged woman.  Why should be baby of the rich white woman with good insurance be allowed to be murdered for her convenience, but not the baby from unprotected sex?

Big Pharma profits on sales of The Pill without making it clear to women that abortifacients are in it.

Insurance companies profit from the suite of services they offer, including the creation of surplus fertility clinic embryos, even though they know said babies will be murdered.

Universities and corporate research and development for products as crass a food flavoring development profit from using the carcasses of murdered babies from those very fertility treatment "surpluses".

Healthcare corporations save money by slaughtering fallopian (ectopic) babies instead of innovating an angio-style solution for them.  A woman's fallopian tube is much wider than a man's vein, yet corporations won't innovate a balloon to widen and brush clean fallopian tubes even though they have innovated balloons that clean out people's veins.

If people really cared about abortion, they'd stop arguing for a minute about women's control over their bodies and they would ban these clear-cut types of unnecessary abortions which Big Healthcare profits from.

No one really can say they care about the abortion issue, without facing the fact the our society condones four common types of abortion with a blink and a nod:

Unregulated Fertility Treatment Surplus Embryo Murder/Abortion
Covert Undocumented Abortions Caused Unwittingly By The Pill's Abortifacient Ingredients
Multiple Abortions Committed By The Same Woman
Unnecessary Fallopian Tube Abortions Due To Corporate Ineptitude

Re: Abortion
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2019, 05:04:41 AM »
I am a leftist and I want:

A limit on how many abortions one intelligent, able woman can order.
Angio-balloons to come to the rescue and stop fallopian abortions.
The removal of covert abortifactients in The Pill.
A prohibition on fertility treatment surplus embryo murder/abortion.

These are four common, obvious types of abortion that I think most reasonable people agree would should be stopped, if they took a moment to start really thinking about saving babies.  These are easy calls that would save a lot of babies.  After all, a baby is a baby is a baby.  Doesn't matter whether it was created by fertility treatments for a rich white woman, or created by unprotected sex in a less privileged woman.  Why should be baby of the rich white woman with good insurance be allowed to be murdered for her convenience, but not the baby from unprotected sex?

Big Pharma profits on sales of The Pill without making it clear to women that abortifacients are in it.

Insurance companies profit from the suite of services they offer, including the creation of surplus fertility clinic embryos, even though they know said babies will be murdered.

Universities and corporate research and development for products as crass a food flavoring development profit from using the carcasses of murdered babies from those very fertility treatment "surpluses".

Healthcare corporations save money by slaughtering fallopian (ectopic) babies instead of innovating an angio-style solution for them.  A woman's fallopian tube is much wider than a man's vein, yet corporations won't innovate a balloon to widen and brush clean fallopian tubes even though they have innovated balloons that clean out people's veins.

If people really cared about abortion, they'd stop arguing for a minute about women's control over their bodies and they would ban these clear-cut types of unnecessary abortions which Big Healthcare profits from.

No one really can say they care about the abortion issue, without facing the fact the our society condones four common types of abortion with a blink and a nod:

Unregulated Fertility Treatment Surplus Embryo Murder/Abortion
Covert Undocumented Abortions Caused Unwittingly By The Pill's Abortifacient Ingredients
Multiple Abortions Committed By The Same Woman
Unnecessary Fallopian Tube Abortions Due To Corporate Ineptitude

Are you sure you want to identify as "left", while possessing what seems to be a fiercely independent mind?

Re: Abortion
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2019, 11:07:07 PM »
Are you sure you want to identify as "left", while possessing what seems to be a fiercely independent mind?
Well, I always have...  I thought it was the conservatives whose minds were closed!

Re: Abortion
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2019, 11:13:01 PM »
Well, I always have...  I thought it was the conservatives whose minds were closed!

Really?! Liberals thought electing this thoroughly corrupt politician who was selling her influence as secretary of state to forgein powers around the world and then tried to destroy the evidence of that would be a good idea.


Re: Abortion
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2019, 11:48:15 PM »
Everyone makes mistakes.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2019, 12:44:28 PM »
Everyone makes mistakes.

And most actually have to pay for them. Not her though! She’s still saying that the election was stolen from her and no liberal would dare contradict her lest they wind up dead on top of a pile of other bodies that served her political career. ::) ;D

Re: Abortion
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2019, 04:00:17 AM »
And most actually have to pay for them. Not her though! She’s still saying that the election was stolen from her and no liberal would dare contradict her lest they wind up dead on top of a pile of other bodies that served her political career. ::) ;D
Abortion, not murder conspiracies.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2019, 10:47:41 AM »
There's a myth that although not overtly said by the 'pro-life' fraternity (A misnomer in itself) is implied...Making it illegal for a woman to have a legal abortion under any circumstances; Be it rape/incest, a failure of contraception, birth defects, danger to both mother and child if the pregnancy continues, whatever the reason will somehow prevent abortions. It won't. It instead makes happen what happens in Ireland. That being the woman or girl will attempt to do it herself, or go see the 'woman down the road' who will do it, frequently resulting in catastrophic and permanent injury or death.

 A few years ago in Ireland there was a heartbreaking case of a twelve year old girl who had been raped by her 'father' and uncle from aged six. At twelve she became pregnant, and naturally the Irish health and social services took her under their collective wings and....No.. That didn't happen. The Irish government ruled of course by the misogynist and backward Vatican decided that not only would this girl take the pregnancy to term and give birth, but they made sure that she would suffer the trauma of handing the baby over to the pre-arranged adoptive parents just after she'd given birth. Aged thirteen.

What is the most disgusting part of the anti women making choices about their own bodies fascists, is that they're almost entirely men making these descisions.. In Alabama it was 25 men...One of whom asked an obs and gyny doctor in their chamber if a mini camera couldn't be swallowed by the pregnant woman to establish pregnancy... The doctor (no doubt bewildered by the rank stupidity of the question and the person asking it) had to point out that the stomach and entire digestive tract was unconnected to the uterus. The moron asking the question was stumped at that. The suggestion has been to ban abortions after six weeks gestation...Well whatyaknow...many women don't know they're pregnant at six weeks. My own son wasn't confirmed until eight...My youngest brother at nine. Not all women have regular periods and some have them infrequently, so what then?  There are many reasons why a woman wouldn't know.

The problem is that most politicians (Mainly men) and the wider public don't have a fucking clue about the human body and haven't the curiosity to find out. Some still think a woman can't get pregnant the first time she has sex or if she jumps up and down it will stop the sperm reaching the uterus. Is it any wonder such backward and frankly basic ignorance is driving the narrative?

This left/right abortion bullshit; Just as Hoagland states correctly one white crow means not all crows are black; To use the same analogy, if one Republican woman has an abortion or her Republican Congress boss forces and pays for her abortion to cover up the affair, that means that the GOP aren't clean when it comes to trying to reconcile their hypocrisy.  And this pretty much sums up the thinking of the fascists.


Re: Abortion
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2019, 10:49:39 AM »
There's a myth that although not overtly said by the 'pro-life' fraternity (A misnomer in itself) is implied...Making it illegal for a woman to have a legal abortion under any circumstances; Be it rape/incest, a failure of contraception, birth defects, danger to both mother and child if the pregnancy continues, whatever the reason will somehow prevent abortions. It won't. It instead makes happen what happens in Ireland. That being the woman or girl will attempt to do it herself, or go see the 'woman down the road' who will do it, frequently resulting in catastrophic and permanent injury or death.

 A few years ago in Ireland there was a heartbreaking case of a twelve year old girl who had been raped by her 'father' and uncle from aged six. At twelve she became pregnant, and naturally the Irish health and social services took her under their collective wings and....No.. That didn't happen. The Irish government ruled of course by the misogynist and backward Vatican decided that not only would this girl take the pregnancy to term and give birth, but they made sure that she would suffer the trauma of handing the baby over to the pre-arranged adoptive parents just after she'd given birth. Aged thirteen.

What is the most disgusting part of the anti women making choices about their own bodies fascists, is that they're almost entirely men making these descisions.. In Alabama it was 25 men...One of whom asked an obs and gyny doctor in their chamber if a mini camera couldn't be swallowed by the pregnant woman to establish pregnancy... The doctor (no doubt bewildered by the rank stupidity of the question and the person asking it) had to point out that the stomach and entire digestive tract was unconnected to the uterus. The moron asking the question was stumped at that. The suggestion has been to ban abortions after six weeks gestation...Well whatyaknow...many women don't know they're pregnant at six weeks. My own son wasn't confirmed until eight...My youngest brother at nine. Not all woman have regular periods and some have them infrequently, so what then?  There are many reasons why a woman wouldn't know.

The problem is that most politicians (Mainly men) and the wider public don't have a fucking clue about the human body and haven't the curiosity to find out. Some still think a woman can't get pregnant the first time she has sex or if she jumps up and down it will stop the sperm reaching the uterus. Is it any wonder such backward and frankly basic ignorance is driving the narrative?

This left/right abortion bullshit; Just as Hoagland states correectly one white crow means not all crows are black; To use the same analogy, if one Republican woman has an abortion or her Republican Congress boss forces and pays for her abortion to cover up the affair, that means that the GOP aren't clean when it comes to trying to reconcile their hypocrisy.  And this pretty much sums up the thinking of the fascists.

Hitler, Hitler, Hitler!!! ::)

Re: Abortion
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2019, 10:58:56 AM »
Hitler, Hitler, Hitler!!! ::)


Run along child, don't get involved in things you don't understand. Bare women will scare you so anything else will really freak you out.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2019, 12:01:14 PM »



So let me get this straight, women have NO sense of agency in their lives?

Maybe she should have asked a few questions before she had to beg those awful republicans for help.

Maybe she should have made sure she was dealing with a worthwhile man in the first place.

Woman: Do you love me?

Woman: Do you have a job, car, financial security, pets?

Woman: Do you have an education/vocation?

Woman: Will you stand by me, if I get pregnant?

Woman: Will you take responsibility if we have a child?

Woman: Will you marry me?

Woman: Are you willing to commit by making a life with me and our child?

It seems like these situations are not just a simple matter of the woman's ability to get an abortion.

Maybe when she heard the word "NO"- it should have been coming out of her own mouth to avoid pregnancy in the first place.

Let's face it, some women are more picky about where they get their nails done than who they sleep with. Why should this be the taxpayers problem?

Life is tough enough for me without having to listen to this yammering tripe. I'm an old woman who has enough difficulty dragging big bags of money from the bank to the back of my Rolles-Royce- I need to score tickets to the next Trump rally and I don't need anymore complications in my life. ;)

   

Re: Abortion
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2019, 12:06:41 PM »
So let me get this straight, women have NO sense of agency in their lives?

Maybe she should have asked a few questions before she had to beg those awful republicans for help.

Maybe she should have made sure she was dealing with a worthwhile man in the first place.

Woman: Do you love me?

Woman: Do you have a job, car, financial security, pets?

Woman: Do you have an education/vocation?

Woman: Will you stand by me, if I get pregnant?

Woman: Will you take responsibility if we have a child?

Woman: Will you marry me?

Woman: Are you willing to commit by making a life with me and our child?

It seems like these situations are not just a simple matter of the woman's ability to get an abortion.

Maybe when she heard the word "NO"- it should have been coming out of her own mouth to avoid pregnancy in the first place.

Let's face it, some women are more picky about where they get their nails done than who they sleep with. Why should this be the taxpayers problem?

Life is tough enough for me without having to listen to this yammering tripe. I'm an old woman who has enough difficulty dragging big bags of money from the bank to the back of my Rolles-Royce- I need to score tickets to the next Trump rally and I don't need anymore complications in my life. ;)

 


It must get really tiresome for you being the perfect woman... I mean really. If you're so concerned about the unborn foetus why does that all disappear when it's a born child and you're no longer interested in it's welfare? Does all your rant include rape and incest, or any of the other points I made? Your sanctimonious offal is frankly the reason the GOP will never develop past puberty and the belief angels and unicorns exist.

Re: Abortion
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2019, 12:24:29 PM »
Let's face it, some women are more picky about where they get their nails done than who they sleep with.

Can you let me have their phone numbers?