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A question of conscience
« on: January 28, 2019, 03:11:52 AM »
Looking back at the events of what led to first joining this site. From when it was named George Noory Sucks to current  (Tho initially  using a different login name back then)  Wonder if any users here or elsewhere on 'any' other sites, any internet media, channels, podcasts etc,  seriously consider the impact of what they do. They should.

Joined only when Art Bell was coming back & this was the site to be in on breaking developments, tho with hesitation because not really interested in being a member of a site that's main purpose was to belittle a talk host that some did not like. Ok I admit. I never was a fan of GN. Had an Art bias I could not let go of  but felt no need to crucify him for that.  I did not like him - Obviously many did as he still hosts today.

But hey, Art was coming back. The site name ended up changed. It was so cool & exciting he was coming back! So joined - fully aware that considering the treatment of Noory , at anytime it could be directed to someone else.  A shark tank.

I thought Art was naive in thinking this was a safe supportive place to be. I also thought that his posting on a site that had supported ridiculing GN made fair turn around when it became Art as the target. Just a mess. Fair? but certainly not nice to see happen.

It wasn't cool when even Art's biggest supporters turned on him. Or what was posted about him. Sure facts are facts, but speculation and outright creepy trolls who posted some awful things - ( never was moderated. It should have been).
 But hey - it was a free for all on Noory. Why not get Art once he was out of favor.

Thing is I think it really bothered Art.
Art in hospital dealing with COPD ,perhaps not likely to survive that, still individual posters willing to go all out. No site moderation either. Free speech. It's so great isn't it. Not really unless the purpose of Bellgab was to make his remaining time miserable. I had hoped he did not visit the site. Thing is, I think he did and he took that to heart.

Nor has it been anything but stomach turning to see  that same animosity/creepiness turned on Heather Wade.
Like her or not as a show host. She managed to get from this site to hosting with Art. Often people  would rather see others fail than make it.  Of course the animosity to Art was transferred to her.

I never followed Art's last reincarnation show once he left it, as it was really only Art I was interested in hearing. It really had nothing to do with whether I liked Heather's style or not.

But occasionally checked in on the drama all across the internet of Heather taking on the show, never been willing to be a part of it. Nor to make things harder on someone who was/ is obviously having a difficult time.

It would cause skin crawling, sleepless nites and a total question of conscience to wonder if  had a part in driving someone past their ability to cope. Noory, Art, or Heather, or any individual.

Many times in life people go thru hard times, hopefully not exposed publicly. Many times in those periods there is family or friends who when one needs some grounding come thru.

 Lucky if one has those connections and people.

 One never expects to need that, but life can throw curve balls and when it surely does, it is that support that keeps one going.

Liking  a person or not. With good reason or not,  with what an individual might consider legitimate reasons or history to base it on , or whether have only interacted thru forums & anonymous user names, or even in a more professional or business interaction.

Maybe holding to a higher standard and 'Taking the Highroad'  - Doing no harm, rather than defaulting to the lowest common denominator is something to consider.

I don't know Heather, I have never followed her show but because of listening to Art since1996, did occasionally catch up on what had been transpiring.

I hope Heather is ok and only wish her the best even in regards to all the 'he said, she said scuttle' because bottom line it is obvious that it has been very hard. It doesn't matter that as 'redacted' she may have fallen into the trap of being part of the so called witty hits on Noory/ Big thing in its time. I think Noory had a thicker skin, I hope so for his sake. The same thing being done to her now, tho really it is more base and disgusting.

When this was done to Art many left the forum, many who were worth reading and some of what they shared would make one think on some issues a bit deeper. The decent ones.

Food for thought,  hopefully.
 Or turn it into reeking garbage/ the stink will cling.
One always has a choice to consider whether their interactions are cruel or kind and what impact it truly has.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 03:40:58 AM »
I don't know what to tell you.  The unmoderated nature of this forum is what has always made it somewhat unique.  Yeah, some people like it, some hate it.  It has some good points, and it has bad.  It allows you to see people as they truly are, warts and all.

There is a much longer response somewhere- but not this late at night (and not tonight.)  Suffice to say that Art always chose who to pay attention to here.  He had support, he had fans.  He always chose to respond to those who were critical of him.

I always said that I appreciated the years of entertainment he provided.  That has not changed.  But the man is not a saint, and to ignore the flaws is to ignore what contributed to who he was.

As for Heather- I think you will find the majority here agree that things seem to have went (and continue in the direction of) "too far."  That said, you will not find many fans here- just people who hope she manages to move on.

In short- like any gathering of people you will find that there are good and bad points.  If the bad is too much for you, I would suggest the kinder, more gentle, and more moderated forum. You may find the humanity, gentleness and caring displayed on the more heavily moderated forum more to your liking...

***I think you forgot the George Senda thread in your critique of this site.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2019, 04:47:49 AM »
No need for the 'other' forum. Forum interaction of any kind is not high on my list.
If you mean who I think you do? I don't believe they were any kinder to Heather.

Nor did I forget the Falkie thread here.  Never been a fan of - it is like poking a sharp stick at a mouse trapped in a barrel.
Dif may be  Falkie seemed at one time to be a willing participant? tho that could be argued on different points as to ability.
Haven't read it in  years and won't be.

Anyways
Art perfect? no.
Haven't deified him in passing nor in life.
Remember the crazy glue lips.
The stepping off the back porch when it wasn't there, being reno'd  and he was lucky he did not land on the exposed rods for concrete form.
Aware of all the scuttlebutt re marriages/kids. etc, etc.
In acknowledging how disgusting the hits on him were, that was does not make me a horse with blinders on and unable to to see clay feet.

But the mess he left for his wife and Heather. The current situation.
Art did not look at the big picture , whether contracts etc, it is sad to see the repercussions playing out in public.
I only state that to acknowledge aware of it. But really it should be private.
Having no knowledge of any of it would be fine by me.

We are all flippin human.  Those who don't live in glass houses have no fear of rocks.

The time of the trolls and the trashing was extreme while Art was alive near the end there. I don't think Art thought Bellgab was vaguely lovable anymore. How could he.

Just thinking on all of the fallout.  In regards to Heather,  the Bell family, if anyone had truly cared how his children and widow were coping with such a huge loss - taking into consideration that the all out campaign to ridicule Heather only just added to the turmoil.  Along with the speculations.

In regards to what Heather's situation is now , it is totally separate.
I do hope she is doing OK.
And I appreciate your reply WOTR.


Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2019, 10:46:53 AM »
Bellgrab: :( :P


Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2019, 10:50:15 AM »

I hope Heather is ok and only wish her the best even in regards to all the 'he said, she said scuttle' because bottom line it is obvious that it has been very hard. It doesn't matter that as 'redacted' she may have fallen into the trap of being part of the so called witty hits on Noory/ Big thing in its time. I think Noory had a thicker skin, I hope so for his sake. The same thing being done to her now, tho really it is more base and disgusting.
...
One always has a choice to consider whether their interactions are cruel or kind and what impact it truly has.

In many ways this is simply an evolution/offshoot of alt.fan.art-bell which was banging on Art since the early 90s.

But the last sentence quoted speaks volumes... :-[

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2019, 11:27:10 AM »
You'd think that, as hosts of programs having the subj. matter they had, Mr. Bell & Ms. Wade would've learned not to take everything seriously!

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2019, 11:36:14 AM »
You'd think that, as hosts of programs having the subj. matter they had, Mr. Bell & Ms. Wade would've learned not to take everything seriously!
Stalker shots fired, being SWAT'd by Little Sean and Jedimiller's friend, nothing to take seriously there, eh?

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2019, 12:10:55 PM »
Being in the public eye for well over a decade, Art was a big boy and took these forums with a grain of salt. He was a household name in the late 90s and early 2000s and it wasnt in the most posative light.
Losing the ability to produce and control the show he created is what would’ve bothered him. Not these irrelevent forums.

The endless obsession with bashing Noory, Falkie, and Wade for 10000’s of pages is laughable if not a bit freightneing. Just a small piece in the long list of evidence that these forums consist of a small bunch of unaccomplished losers with no lives and nothing better to do.

As for the power of these forums? Please. 90% of the posts are by less than 5 people. The so-called podcasters who come here with their same 5 listeners are a joke. That includes the creators of this forum and the ellgab forum. They’re completely inconsequential in the real world, and only relevant to less than a handful of members on a couple websites who’s existence is readily known by a few dozen people.


Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2019, 12:20:23 PM »
http://radio.rumormillnews.com/podcast/2011/08/11/hinkson/

Aided by a corrupt judicial system, the late FBI agent Ted Gunderson criminally set up David Hinkson and Art Bell so that the former was falsely imprisoned and the latter’s radio career came to an abrupt end. Host Rayelan Allan interviews Hinkson’s attorney, Wesley Hoyt, and father, Roland Hinkson, to obtain a status update.

Founded by David Hinkson in 1991, WaterOz sells health products that turn pure minerals into an ionic, water-soluble solution that the body can completely absorb and use. Rayelan has been an active user and supporter of WaterOz products for years and strongly believes that the charges levied against Hinkson were based on fabricated evidence and testimonies and should be dismissed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1999/05/29/the-resolved-mystery-of-art-bell/e3e69bd3-3c23-4c39-9836-22b863f43e6e/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cc279bae7ff2

Bell took time off, his syndicator says, because of the stress caused by a slander campaign waged by two former guests on his show and perhaps a network of real-life conspirators. In a lawsuit, Bell claims that his detractors have said--on radio and the Internet--that Bell has been a (1) child molester, (2) pornographer, (3) pimp and (4) convict.

Bell's suit, filed Thursday in Los Angeles, denies all charges and seeks $60 million in damages. The defendants are David Oates--a talk show host who studies "backward speech"--and Robert A.M. Stephens, whose Web site says he is a contractor for NASA. In the suit, Bell says the pair defamed and "cyberstalked" him on Web sites and on Oates's own radio show in April.

"He would spend every waking minute" fretting over the smear campaign, says Kraig Kitchen, president of Premiere Radio Networks, which syndicates Bell's show to more than 460 stations. Eventually it wore Bell down enough that he had to leave the air for those two weeks last fall, Kitchen says.

Premiere trusted Bell's denials but hired private investigators to double-check, Kitchen says. They found "nothing even remotely close to being a pornographer or child molester" in Bell's past, he adds.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2019, 12:25:04 PM »
https://www.quackwatch.org/14Legal/hinkson.html

David Roland Hinkson, 48, who made millions of dollars selling mineral waters, has been sentenced to 43 years in prison [1]. In January 2005, he was convicted of soliciting the murders of a federal judge, a federal prosecutor, and an IRS agent in retaliation for a prior criminal case brought against him. After a three-week trial in Boise, Idaho, a jury took two days to find him guilty of soliciting the murders of U.S. District Judge Edward J. Lodge, Assistant U.S. Attorney Nancy D. Cook, and Internal Revenue Service Special Agent Steven M. Hines. The jury found that Hinkson had offered $10,000 per killing to murder the federal officials [2]. Cook was the prosecutor from the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Idaho who was initially assigned to prosecute Hinkson in the tax case. Hines was the lead investigating agent for the Internal Revenue Service. Judge Lodge handled various aspects of the tax case and dismissed a civil case Hinkson had filed alleging that Cook and Hines had violated his constitutional rights. The case was investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation together with the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration.

The hearing was briefly interrupted near its end when Hinkson cursed the Judge, pushed items including a TV monitor off the defense table onto the floor, and attempted to come over the top of the defense table toward the Judge’s bench.  He had to be restrained and removed from the courtroom by Deputy U.S. Marshals.  A few minutes later, with spectators removed from the courtroom and Hinkson in shackles, sentencing was completed. Judge Tallman sentenced him to a total of 10 years on the tax, structuring and Food & Drug Administration (FDA) counts, 10 years each on the three counts of solicitation, and an additional three years because the solicitation crimes were committed while Hinkson was on pre-trial release on the tax charges. The judge also fined him $100,000 and ordered him to pay what the IRS would determine he owed. In addition to income tax, he estimated that Hinkson had failed to pay federal payroll taxes of between $1 and $1.5 million.

Hickson's sentences will run consecutively. There is no parole in the federal system, although Hinkson could earn a few years off for good behavior. The Judge also indicated he would recommend to the Bureau of Prisons that Hinkson be considered a high-risk inmate because of his continued hatred of federal officials and his financial ability to carry out his threats and to flee the country if he escaped.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2019, 01:09:11 PM »
Bell only came here when he wanted something. When a handful of us had the nerve to challenge his narcissistic bullshit, he'd get all indignant and leave.  He'd pop up again and wait for someone to kiss his ring, then slither off after he got all the adulation he could find.  Great broadcaster, but not a quality human being.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2019, 01:22:22 PM »
Heather started a Blitz thread here at Bellgab, to promote MITD, a show for which she was in discussion to be a part of, and had self interest in, while seeming to be doing it all just for Art, then wonders why Bellgab is not thrilled with her appearance on his show...

Who'se conscience are we supposed to be questioning here?

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2019, 01:46:34 PM »
Bell only came here when he wanted something. When a handful of us had the nerve to challenge his narcissistic bullshit, he'd get all indignant and leave.  He'd pop up again and wait for someone to kiss his ring, then slither off after he got all the adulation he could find.  Great broadcaster, but not a quality human being.

Heather started a Blitz thread here at Bellgab, to promote MITD, a show for which she was in discussion to be a part of, and had self interest in, while seeming to be doing it all just for Art, then wonders why Bellgab is not thrilled with her appearance on his show...

Who'se conscience are we supposed to be questioning here?


That about sums it up in here.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2019, 02:21:19 PM »
And yet she seems deeply, emotionally attached to him to this day. Unless that was all an act, and I'd bet the under on that one... :-\

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2019, 10:09:29 PM »
Bell only came here when he wanted something. When a handful of us had the nerve to challenge his narcissistic bullshit, he'd get all indignant and leave.  He'd pop up again and wait for someone to kiss his ring, then slither off after he got all the adulation he could find.  Great broadcaster, but not a quality human being.
Heather started a Blitz thread here at Bellgab, to promote MITD, a show for which she was in discussion to be a part of, and had self interest in, while seeming to be doing it all just for Art, then wonders why Bellgab is not thrilled with her appearance on his show...

Who'se conscience are we supposed to be questioning here?
# ^NailedIt^!

<TL;DR: If You've Nothing Nice To Say. Say Nothing @ All?>

     In hindsight Art, Heater & Queef were publicly shady as fuck with how they treated the base. The trio was busy manipulating themselves, and others behind the scenes. Some of those shady actions surfaced for those who were paying attention. Sycophants & the gullible swallowed the MitD narrative hook, line, and sinker without question because ARTBELL. #StarFuckers ::)

One behind the scenes example, Art tried to use his clout as Art Bell to get the owner of BellGab to ban, and or provide IP addresses of some the membership, so Art could threaten litigious actions, silencing his dissenters. Oddly enough Art didn't seem to mind, and somewhat relished when BellGab thrashed/trashed other public personalities. Art even coined the term describing BellGab and its users as ''Vaguely Lovable"! Point being Art knew who/what BellGab is/was like from day one. But I digress. #ThinSkinned #ICouldBeWrong.

Back to the example at hand. Thankfully the owner of BellGab didn't give into Mr.Bells wishes. BellGabs owner (Mr.MV) told Art he wasn't going to ban members because they displeased Art Bells Ego. Furthermore MV told Art to serve him with a suponea with the BellGab user names, if he wanted users IP addresses. Mr.MV could have gave into Arts whims for any number of reasons, but he didn't. Needless to say Art Bell wasn't pleased with that outcome, or MV. #PraiseLee!

# So Art took his ball and went home, again...
# Did I Say Thin Skinned Already?
# Punishing BellGab.
# Bad BellGab Bad!
# Vaguely Lovable To Disowned.
# Just like his previous families, when he had no use for them.
# Art "Quitter Done" Bell Jr.
# "Quitter Done"
# Epitaph
# True Legacy
# Emerging Trends.



     Which then leads one to ponder the question. Who forced the Art/Heater/Queef trio to read anonymous words typed into a script running on a server? Whoever or whatever was forcing them to read those words were far more dangerous to their psyches/conscience than any/all of the anonymous words typed here and elsewhere. Maybe their fragile egos needed to seek attention/protection. Maybe their own guilty conscience force them to read all the scathing remarks as a form of punishment for their deeds. Why put yourself through reading what you know is a bunch of unfounded bullshit and lies otherwise? #S&MHurtsSoGoodBB!

People feel certain ways when perception dictates how they've been treated. How they react to those perceptions is up to each individual right, wrong, or in-between. #'MurikaFuckYeah!

     Art wasn't doing the show for a livelihood, it was his passion project, a toy to serve his ego, not his fans. Fans were just a necessary evil. When he reached the point of talking contracts, sending MitD into syndication, Art achieved what his ego was seeking. The old man still had "it" he could still compete/crush his old show C2C-AM with Jorge Noron, PremeRat, & iFartRadio. #Spite #Ego #Hubris

Syndication would also mean a show he wouldn't be in full control of, like who is and isn't on the payroll, Et al.; plus it becomes a real job, for a 70 year old. #Grinding

     Why Art wanted Heather to be part of MitD so badly, to the point of wedging her in anywhere he could is odd at best. When she had zero qualifications as a board operater, producer, co-host, host. #ThingsThatMakeYouGoHummm #EgoStroking #LotsOfStrokingGoingOn

Not to mention he never intended to do the show solo, hence Heather being on the "test" show. Then the narrative was spun and twisted like a pretzel, and BAM! We end up with Heather as THE show, not just part of the show as Art wanted/intended from day one. Which are topics in and of themselves. #ShittyFanService #Spite #Ego #Hubris #ForumMeltDown #BetterEveryDay! #LegacyOfLuLz

# WhatComesAroundGoesAround
# WhatYouPutOutIn2TheUniverseComesBack2You
# Karma
# Reciprocity
# ICouldTypeMoarBut
# ThesisAlready 

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2019, 10:34:33 PM »


     Why Art wanted Heather to be part of MitD so badly, to the point of wedging her in anywhere he could is odd at best. When she had zero qualifications as a board operater, producer, co-host, host. #ThingsThatMakeYouGoHummm #EgoStroking #LotsOfStrokingGoingOn

Not to mention he never intended to do the show solo, hence Heather being on the "test" show. Then the narrative was spun and twisted like a pretzel, and BAM! We end up with Heather as THE show, not just part of the show as Art wanted/intended from day one. Which are topics in of themselves. #ShittyFanService #Spite #Ego #Hubris #ForumMeltDown #BetterEveryDay! #LegacyOfLuLz

# WhatComesAroundGoesAround
# WhatYouPutOutIn2TheUniverseComesBack2You
# Karma
# Reciprocity
# ICouldTypeMoarBut
# ThesisAlready

It could be the other way around.  It could be that Art intended to do the show as long as he was able, with a large group of experienced podcasters to back him up if/when he needed.  He DID, after all, have a network, lined up with shows, hosted by a fine group of somewhat experienced hosts, that posted on Bellgab.  He had MV and Curtis on the SpecSheet, Bateman on DarkCity, Nancy working on BellaHaven, which probably included the availability of Bill, and others, like Lasha etc.  Some of them had hopes that were busted to pieces in the final draft.  Perhaps it was Heathers idea that Art didn't need any of them, because he really would only need her, since she would be able to do the show every night, with only Art as backup for HER, if he would only be willing to teach her how to operate his studio, and do the show himself for a few months, presenting her as his co-host, and "Legacy", as long as he was healthy enough to do so.  The rest, as we say, is history.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2019, 11:19:00 PM »
he never intended to do the show solo

Objection: calls for speculation.

Exactly whom was gonna guest host for him when he inevitably wanted to rest? Exactly how was he supposed to test the equipment without someone to test with?

You made other stupid points as well but I've got a strict limit here. I'll let you puzzle them out.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2019, 11:22:46 PM »
Looking back at the events of what led to first joining this site. From when it was named George Noory Sucks to current  (Tho initially  using a different login name back then)  Wonder if any users here or elsewhere on 'any' other sites, any internet media, channels, podcasts etc,  seriously consider the impact of what they do. They should.

Joined only when Art Bell was coming back & this was the site to be in on breaking developments, tho with hesitation because not really interested in being a member of a site that's main purpose was to belittle a talk host that some did not like. Ok I admit. I never was a fan of GN. Had an Art bias I could not let go of  but felt no need to crucify him for that.  I did not like him - Obviously many did as he still hosts today.

But hey, Art was coming back. The site name ended up changed. It was so cool & exciting he was coming back! So joined - fully aware that considering the treatment of Noory , at anytime it could be directed to someone else.  A shark tank.

I thought Art was naive in thinking this was a safe supportive place to be. I also thought that his posting on a site that had supported ridiculing GN made fair turn around when it became Art as the target. Just a mess. Fair? but certainly not nice to see happen.

It wasn't cool when even Art's biggest supporters turned on him. Or what was posted about him. Sure facts are facts, but speculation and outright creepy trolls who posted some awful things - ( never was moderated. It should have been).
 But hey - it was a free for all on Noory. Why not get Art once he was out of favor.

Thing is I think it really bothered Art.
Art in hospital dealing with COPD ,perhaps not likely to survive that, still individual posters willing to go all out. No site moderation either. Free speech. It's so great isn't it. Not really unless the purpose of Bellgab was to make his remaining time miserable. I had hoped he did not visit the site. Thing is, I think he did and he took that to heart.

Nor has it been anything but stomach turning to see  that same animosity/creepiness turned on Heather Wade.
Like her or not as a show host. She managed to get from this site to hosting with Art. Often people  would rather see others fail than make it.  Of course the animosity to Art was transferred to her.

I never followed Art's last reincarnation show once he left it, as it was really only Art I was interested in hearing. It really had nothing to do with whether I liked Heather's style or not.

But occasionally checked in on the drama all across the internet of Heather taking on the show, never been willing to be a part of it. Nor to make things harder on someone who was/ is obviously having a difficult time.

It would cause skin crawling, sleepless nites and a total question of conscience to wonder if  had a part in driving someone past their ability to cope. Noory, Art, or Heather, or any individual.

Many times in life people go thru hard times, hopefully not exposed publicly. Many times in those periods there is family or friends who when one needs some grounding come thru.

 Lucky if one has those connections and people.

 One never expects to need that, but life can throw curve balls and when it surely does, it is that support that keeps one going.

Liking  a person or not. With good reason or not,  with what an individual might consider legitimate reasons or history to base it on , or whether have only interacted thru forums & anonymous user names, or even in a more professional or business interaction.

Maybe holding to a higher standard and 'Taking the Highroad'  - Doing no harm, rather than defaulting to the lowest common denominator is something to consider.

I don't know Heather, I have never followed her show but because of listening to Art since1996, did occasionally catch up on what had been transpiring.

I hope Heather is ok and only wish her the best even in regards to all the 'he said, she said scuttle' because bottom line it is obvious that it has been very hard. It doesn't matter that as 'redacted' she may have fallen into the trap of being part of the so called witty hits on Noory/ Big thing in its time. I think Noory had a thicker skin, I hope so for his sake. The same thing being done to her now, tho really it is more base and disgusting.

When this was done to Art many left the forum, many who were worth reading and some of what they shared would make one think on some issues a bit deeper. The decent ones.

Food for thought,  hopefully.
 Or turn it into reeking garbage/ the stink will cling.
One always has a choice to consider whether their interactions are cruel or kind and what impact it truly has.


>wrote so much text
>title refers to "a question"
>exactly one (1) question mark used



Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2019, 12:53:31 AM »
It could be the other way around.  It could be that Art intended to do the show as long as he was able, with a large group of experienced podcasters to back him up if/when he needed.  He DID, after all, have a network, lined up with shows, hosted by a fine group of somewhat experienced hosts, that posted on Bellgab.  He had MV and Curtis on the SpecSheet, Bateman on DarkCity, Nancy working on BellaHaven, which probably included the availability of Bill, and others, like Lasha etc.  Some of them had hopes that were busted to pieces in the final draft.  Perhaps it was Heathers idea that Art didn't need any of them, because he really would only need her, since she would be able to do the show every night, with only Art as backup for HER, if he would only be willing to teach her how to operate his studio, and do the show himself for a few months, presenting her as his co-host, and "Legacy", as long as he was healthy enough to do so.  The rest, as we say, is history.

Could be, brig. Sounds as good as anything else, really.

Long and short of it... I just wanted to be entertained, so I will make whatever entertainment that can be cajoled through the medium of text. Parsing together whatever schlock the trio turned duo of ghouls cranks out to fill the otherwise silent void, that they call shows. Which they gleefully seek remuneration for, in Art Bells name.  #LegacyEntertainment.

Addressing the folks who recently seem worried about the well being of the delicate flowers who are jealousy involved with using the name recognition of a dead man to generate an income. Simply because people type unflattering things into a script running on a server. Really need to come to grips with all the pearl clutching, least they break them, as they fall onto their fainting couches. Honestly, if Queef, Cuck, & Heater were really worried about people typing bad things about them, they wouldn't have behaved publicly the way the did when Art died. Over a few shekels, or few thousand shekels. #YepYupYep...Unhuh

I'd personally be moar worried about the fact that someone must be holding a gun to the heads of these poor opportunist. Forcing them to read unkind words anonymous people type about them. Trust me whoever is holding them hostage and forcing them to read whats is typed here and elsewhere, is causing them far more trauma than text on a screen. #OhTheHumanity



# P.S.
As for the people who go out of their way to fuck with the ghoulish gang in real life. GET A LIFE!! That shit is inexcusable. #WhatTheHellIsWrongWithYou?!

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2019, 01:51:52 AM »
Dif may be  Falkie seemed at one time to be a willing participant? tho that could be argued on different points as to ability.
Just thinking on all of the fallout.  In regards to Heather,  the Bell family, if anyone had truly cared how his children and widow were coping with such a huge loss - taking into consideration that the all out campaign to ridicule Heather only just added to the turmoil.  Along with the speculations.


You bring up an interesting point about participation.  After a decade of being slammed on this forum, George Noory did post a few times here, and did appear on MV's program. There is no doubt that he knew exactly what kind of posts were here and what was said about him.

Did he do it in the hopes of people going a little easier on him- did he do it to troll the trolls- did he do it to troll Art?  I suppose only he will ever know the true motivations.  But the fact remains that he did come here and post (I will give him credit- he never argued and quite frankly, he handled the criticism far better than Art did.)  Still don't like the guy- and if I ever tuned into coast I would still be an active participant in the GNS thread.

As for Heather, I do wish her well, and always have.  I have criticized her, and after a few months of her ignoring the forum and refusing to acknowledge that she got a start here I did cancel my subscription.  I can honestly say that radio is likely not her calling- but I do hope she finds something, finds somebody, and lands on her feet.  I think most people on this forum (with some notable and vocal exceptions) feel the same way. 

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2019, 02:03:08 AM »
That includes the creators of this forum and the ellgab forum. They’re completely inconsequential in the real world, and only relevant to less than a handful of members on a couple websites who’s existence is readily known by a few dozen people.

Why the hostility?  I don't get it.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2019, 03:24:30 AM »
Objection: calls for speculation.

Exactly whom was gonna guest host for him when he inevitably wanted to rest? Exactly how was he supposed to test the equipment without someone to test with?

You made other stupid points as well but I've got a strict limit here. I'll let you puzzle them out.

Manz uz jus 2 smart fur me.
I know you're an on the spectrum stalker, so I'll spell it out for you. We are all speculating, including you.

Art didn't have to have a guest host. Replays, around six months worth. Art had many people from Queefs network far moar adept at guest-hosting than a "no name" like HeaterWad, no doubt. Guest-hosting Art Bells show so you can promote your skills/show is a far more enticing deal than taking over ART BELLS show as your own. You could never live up to the fan bases expectations, which would most likely be an act of career suicide. Which I'm sure you are personally familar with. #Heather!Heather!Heather!

Why did Art need Heather to "test his equipment"? When he had other people who used MitD Network, most of which were far better qualified, and just as willing to help Art if any technical issues arose. Heather could barely assemble a PC, much less troubleshoot streaming/network IT problems at the time, this I know for a fact. 3 years of doing HER show and Heather could barely run her own soundboard, or streaming equipment. If you didn't act like a butthurt jackass all the time it would entice others to be more involved with you, and in turn be more willing to impart information to you. Therefore you would already know these things, but I digress. #OnlyHeaterCouldTestArtsEquipmentMkay #SadJackIsSad

The "test show" was testing moar than the stream and equipment, but also testing Arts fan base as it applied to Heather. The fans collectively shat brix, not only here at BellGab, but FaceBook too. Yet Art kept Heather around where ever he could "inject" her. Why? I don't know. Moar power to her, but that doesn't mean I have to be a Heater booster. Even Queef was like "WTF?", by Heathers own admission on her show. #WellThereIsThat

Heater seems to be a common denominator. What that means for a fact? I don't really know, for a fact. No one does, including you. So we speculate. Get it? What was on Heathers resume, or magic talent accrued during her life, that made a 70 year old man keep her on the payroll? Keeping her anywhere he could find a place for her (next-door sounds totally legit for an internet streaming show)... It can be only a few things, within the realm of human discourse. I do understand why you and a few others around here have a hard time imagining what it could be, due to where you fall on the spectrum. #Empathy

Solo show hosting talent onna microphone wasn't it, 3 solo years stands as its own testament. IMO Heather was much better as a co-host, or part of an ensemble like she was on those other "little shows". What I do know is that in my opinion the whole thing turned into a shit show, even before Art quit again, also you're not nearly as bright as you imagine...
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Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2019, 04:32:57 AM »
Heather started a Blitz thread here at Bellgab, to promote MITD, a show for which she was in discussion to be a part of, and had self interest in, while seeming to be doing it all just for Art, then wonders why Bellgab is not thrilled with her appearance on his show...

Who'se conscience are we supposed to be questioning here?
Oh please. ::)

The "Blitz" was to inform Art Bell Listeners, that he was going to broadcast his show again.  Heather's best interest, at the time was to promote Art Bell, and BellGab (aka, MV). 

Your slander of Art and Heather, will be your own undoing, brig.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2019, 04:47:02 AM »
Why the hostility?  I don't get it.
Hey, my friend, you do "get it."  You just need to extract the brig-parasite from your mind as the rest of we True BellGabbers have. We love you Michael.
Please, wake up and come back to whom you really are. ;D :-*

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2019, 04:53:32 AM »


Heater seems to be a common denominator. What that means for a fact? I don't really know, for a fact. No one does, including you. So we speculate. Get it? What was on Heathers resume, or magic talent accrued during her life, that made a 70 year old man keep her on the payroll?

What ever it was, was being discussed BEFORE she went out to Pahrump, as Heather clearly, yet hesitantly, tells us in this clip from a GabCast, if you haven't listened to it already. I don't think her comment even registered on listeners at the time.

https://www54.zippyshare.com/v/3ZsO15Iv/file.html

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2019, 05:07:17 AM »
What ever it was, was being discussed BEFORE she went out to Pahrump . . .

And before you applied for membership on BellGab.

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2019, 07:26:38 AM »
That includes the creators of this forum and the ellgab forum. They’re completely inconsequential in the real world, and only relevant to less than a handful of members on a couple websites who’s existence is readily known by a few dozen people.

Why the hostility?  I don't get it.

Cheeky.

While I rarely praise MV, I never understand when users down him on his own site. Its a tad impolite, I'd say...

#Rude #Disrespectful


Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2019, 07:31:41 AM »
Why the hostility?  I don't get it.

Me being critical of the Bush family has got him all hot under the collar. ;)

Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2019, 07:37:47 AM »
Why the hostility?  I don't get it.

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Re: A question of conscience
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2019, 07:42:23 AM »
Why the hostility?  I don't get it.


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