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Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #300 on: February 22, 2018, 02:09:36 PM »
How Banks Could Control Guns Sales If Washington Won't
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/business/banks-gun-sales.html

I would cut my credit cards up as soon as the implemented it, i should probably do it anyways but they are convenient when ordering anything online. 




Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #301 on: February 22, 2018, 02:24:17 PM »
How Banks Could Control Guns Sales If Washington Won't
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/business/banks-gun-sales.html
Another prog wet dream.  They need to get a hobby, like target shooting or posting on BellGab.  Maybe that's where The Pud is, out skeet shooting.  He likes yelling "Pull!"

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #302 on: February 22, 2018, 03:02:26 PM »
Trump for Prison 2018!


Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #303 on: February 22, 2018, 05:13:20 PM »
Trump for Prison 2018!



She's not wrong. I'm just not sure she's right about Trump. There have been many times over the past year where I've felt similarly frustrated but he always ends up making us smile in the end. I hope for this too.

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #304 on: February 22, 2018, 05:27:48 PM »
I cried for three days when my cat got hit by a car.


Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #305 on: February 22, 2018, 05:38:10 PM »
I cried for three days when my cat got hit by a car.



What a truly sickening farce. ::)

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #306 on: February 22, 2018, 05:38:14 PM »
I cried for three days when my cat got hit by a car.


Poor babies.  ::)  They'll make great, self-serving, commie politicians.

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #307 on: February 22, 2018, 05:52:27 PM »

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #308 on: February 22, 2018, 05:53:24 PM »
Here's how this student reacted to this latest shooting. Imagine that! I say we let this one vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=119&v=y4CXF2JI3V4

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #309 on: February 22, 2018, 07:01:18 PM »
http://pix11.com/2018/02/22/deputy-on-duty-at-parkland-school-never-went-inside-during-shooting-sheriff/


Deputy on duty at Parkland school never went inside as shooting unfolded: sheriff

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The school resource deputy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School waited outside the school building as the shooting unfolded last Wednesday. Scot Peterson, the deputy, never went in after taking a position on the west side of the building, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said in a news conference.

Peterson resigned on Thursday after he was suspended by Israel pending an internal investigation into his actions, Israel said.

Delayed surveillance footage

Surveillance footage from the Florida high school where 17 people were fatally shot and more than a dozen others wounded was not shown live, as responding officers initially thought.

According to Coral Springs Police Chief Tony Pustizzi, the footage had been rewound, and police were watching it on a 20-minute delay, leading them to believe the gunman, Nikolas Cruz, was still in the building when he was long gone.

“The delay never put us in a situation where any kids’ lives were in danger, any teachers lives were in danger,” Pustizzi said at a news conference Thursday afternoon.

When officers arrived on the scene of the shooting, he said, they wanted to gain access to the security footage to learn what happened and where the perpetrator could be.

But last Wednesday the footage was rewound, Pustizzi told reporters. At some point, there was a miscommunication and officers believed they were watching real-time footage.

“The issue was more of a communications failure on who was reviewing the tape, letting our guys know that it was a 20-minute delay in what they were reviewing,” Pustizzi said.

The Sun Sentinel first reported the delay in surveillance footage.

The rewound footage did not put any lives in danger, Pustizzi said, but it “did cause some confusion” when officers entered the school.

“At first the the guys are hearing, ‘Oh he’s on the second floor,’” Pustizzi said in the news conference. “Well it’s not true. Because we have people on the second floor, and the people are saying, ‘No, he’s not on the second floor.’”

The Broward County School district said in a statement that its security system footage could be reviewed in both real-time or be rewound to see events that were previously recorded.

“During the immediate response to the event, the system was being viewed in real-time and the recorded footage was being viewed to retrace the actions of the shooter,” the statement said, adding that the district no longer had access to the footage or the server it was stored on because investigating authorities have it.

‘I expected to be in a gunbattle’

The delay led police to brace for a shootout when the gunman was actually long gone, Coral Springs Police Capt. Brad McKeone said.

But McKeone, one of the responding officers, said the delay did not hinder access to the victims.

“It had no delay. It didn’t slow us down to getting us to anybody,” McKeone told CNN.

The main difference, he said, was that officers thought they were going to confront the gunman. In reality, the shooter had already left Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.

“I expected to be in a gunbattle,” McKeone said.

Broward County Public Schools had not responded to CNN’s request for comment Thursday about the school surveillance system. The Broward County Sheriff’s Office, which is leading the shooting investigation, also has not explained why the video was on tape delay.

Gunman was already at Walmart

While the rewound footage might not have increased the number of casualties, it did hamper efforts to locate the gunman.

McKeone said about 20 to 25 officers were on the first, second and third floors of the school when they thought the shooter was still inside.

“Somebody would say, ‘He’s on the second floor,’ and we had guys on the second floor saying, ‘We’re on the second floor, we don’t see him.’ That’s when we figured out there’s a tape delay,” Pustizzi told the Sun Sentinel.

According to police scanner traffic from the streaming website Broadcastify, at 2:43 p.m. on February 14, police found someone to give them access to the school’s security footage.

“I got a guy here outside the building that can get cameras,” says one voice. “We’re going to go inside and go get to the cameras.”

By 2:54 p.m., police were watching the gunman make his way through the building.

“They are monitoring the subject right now,” one person says. “He went from the third floor to the second floor. He may have a gas mask on now. Stand by for further. They’re monitoring him on camera.”

But the suspect had fled the building 26 minutes earlier at 2:28 p.m., according to a preliminary timeline provided by the Broward County Sheriff’s Office.

By 2:50 p.m., the suspect had already bought a drink at a Subway restaurant inside a Walmart store and left on foot, four minutes before scanner traffic said the gunman was still on the second floor of the school.

At 3:02 p.m., when the Broward County timeline says Cruz briefly stopped at a nearby McDonald’s, an officer says the suspect dropped a bag near a stairwell. Another officer asks if the footage is a recording.

“Yes, sir. It’s about a 20-minute delay,” the first officer says. “They’re following him on video on the camera. They had him exiting the building, running south.”

At 3:41 p.m., Cruz was identified and taken into custody.

UPDATE: This story has been updated to reflect new information from the Coral Springs Police Department. This is a developing story.

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #310 on: February 22, 2018, 07:03:03 PM »
Here's how this student reacted to this latest shooting. Imagine that! I say we let this one vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=119&v=y4CXF2JI3V4

Great story!!! Thanks for sharing, pye! :D

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #311 on: February 22, 2018, 07:12:11 PM »
http://pix11.com/2018/02/22/deputy-on-duty-at-parkland-school-never-went-inside-during-shooting-sheriff/


Deputy on duty at Parkland school never went inside as shooting unfolded: sheriff

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The school resource deputy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School waited outside the school building as the shooting unfolded last Wednesday. Scot Peterson, the deputy, never went in after taking a position on the west side of the building, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said in a news conference.

Peterson
resigned on Thursday after he was suspended by Israel pending an internal investigation into his actions, Israel said.

Delayed surveillance footage

Surveillance footage from the Florida high school where 17 people were fatally shot and more than a dozen others wounded was not shown live, as responding officers initially thought.

According to Coral Springs Police Chief Tony Pustizzi, the footage had been rewound, and police were watching it on a 20-minute delay, leading them to believe the gunman, Nikolas Cruz, was still in the building when he was long gone.

“The delay never put us in a situation where any kids’ lives were in danger, any teachers lives were in danger,” Pustizzi said at a news conference Thursday afternoon.

When officers arrived on the scene of the shooting, he said, they wanted to gain access to the security footage to learn what happened and where the perpetrator could be.

But last Wednesday the footage was rewound, Pustizzi told reporters. At some point, there was a miscommunication and officers believed they were watching real-time footage.

“The issue was more of a communications failure on who was reviewing the tape, letting our guys know that it was a 20-minute delay in what they were reviewing,” Pustizzi said.

The Sun Sentinel first reported the delay in surveillance footage.

The rewound footage did not put any lives in danger, Pustizzi said, but it “did cause some confusion” when officers entered the school.

“At first the the guys are hearing, ‘Oh he’s on the second floor,’” Pustizzi said in the news conference. “Well it’s not true. Because we have people on the second floor, and the people are saying, ‘No, he’s not on the second floor.’”

The Broward County School district said in a statement that its security system footage could be reviewed in both real-time or be rewound to see events that were previously recorded.

“During the immediate response to the event, the system was being viewed in real-time and the recorded footage was being viewed to retrace the actions of the shooter,” the statement said, adding that the district no longer had access to the footage or the server it was stored on because investigating authorities have it.

‘I expected to be in a gunbattle’

The delay led police to brace for a shootout when the gunman was actually long gone, Coral Springs Police Capt. Brad McKeone said.

But McKeone, one of the responding officers, said the delay did not hinder access to the victims.

“It had no delay. It didn’t slow us down to getting us to anybody,” McKeone told CNN.

The main difference, he said, was that officers thought they were going to confront the gunman. In reality, the shooter had already left Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.

“I expected to be in a gunbattle,” McKeone said.

Broward County Public Schools had not responded to CNN’s request for comment Thursday about the school surveillance system. The Broward County Sheriff’s Office, which is leading the shooting investigation, also has not explained why the video was on tape delay.

Gunman was already at Walmart

While the rewound footage might not have increased the number of casualties, it did hamper efforts to locate the gunman.

McKeone said about 20 to 25 officers were on the first, second and third floors of the school when they thought the shooter was still inside.

“Somebody would say, ‘He’s on the second floor,’ and we had guys on the second floor saying, ‘We’re on the second floor, we don’t see him.’ That’s when we figured out there’s a tape delay,” Pustizzi told the Sun Sentinel.

According to police scanner traffic from the streaming website Broadcastify, at 2:43 p.m. on February 14, police found someone to give them access to the school’s security footage.

“I got a guy here outside the building that can get cameras,” says one voice. “We’re going to go inside and go get to the cameras.”

By 2:54 p.m., police were watching the gunman make his way through the building.

“They are monitoring the subject right now,” one person says. “He went from the third floor to the second floor. He may have a gas mask on now. Stand by for further. They’re monitoring him on camera.”

But the suspect had fled the building 26 minutes earlier at 2:28 p.m., according to a preliminary timeline provided by the Broward County Sheriff’s Office.

By 2:50 p.m., the suspect had already bought a drink at a Subway restaurant inside a Walmart store and left on foot, four minutes before scanner traffic said the gunman was still on the second floor of the school.

At 3:02 p.m., when the Broward County timeline says Cruz briefly stopped at a nearby McDonald’s, an officer says the suspect dropped a bag near a stairwell. Another officer asks if the footage is a recording.

“Yes, sir. It’s about a 20-minute delay,” the first officer says. “They’re following him on video on the camera. They had him exiting the building, running south.”

At 3:41 p.m., Cruz was identified and taken into custody.

UPDATE: This story has been updated to reflect new information from the Coral Springs Police Department. This is a developing story.
DIdn't they just practice a drill at that school? And they didn't know that there was a 20 minute tape delay!? Thank goodness Cruz didn't use that 20minutes to kill some more people. Also, assuming the narrative is accurate, it is good it was just some crazy kid because in 20min with some help he could've escaped.

Wow. I'm almost more dismayed that LEO from the Federal on down to the local PD, to the officers on scene are incompetent, subject to so much miscommunication, and so many "missed cues," "missed opportunities," people "on radar" but "ball dropped," etc than the various conspiracy theories that these events are planned, or "allowed to happen," by them/someone.

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #312 on: February 22, 2018, 07:12:46 PM »
Great story!!! Thanks for sharing, pye! :D

You are welcome, 21CM. It does give one hope for some of the younger generation.

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #313 on: February 22, 2018, 07:21:33 PM »
DIdn't they just practice a drill at that school? And they didn't know that there was a 20 minute tape delay!? Thank goodness Cruz didn't use that 20minutes to kill some more people. Also, assuming the narrative is accurate, it is good it was just some crazy kid because in 20min with some help he could've escaped.

Wow. I'm almost more dismayed that LEO from the Federal on down to the local PD, to the officers on scene are incompetent, subject to so much miscommunication, and so many "missed cues," "missed opportunities," people "on radar" but "ball dropped," etc than the various conspiracy theories that these events are planned, or "allowed to happen," by them/someone.
At least Subway and McDonalds appeared to be efficient at serving the killer.

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #314 on: February 22, 2018, 07:31:01 PM »
Here's how this student reacted to this latest shooting. Imagine that! I say we let this one vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=119&v=y4CXF2JI3V4

In the last scene before cutting back to the anchor, what is the green rubber band wrapped around the knob of the door he is trying to open? 

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #315 on: February 22, 2018, 07:32:45 PM »
At least Subway and McDonalds appeared to be efficient at serving the killer.
Strange story and behavior by people who lost close friends and were close to being killed themselves. And who is funding all of these trips, protests, internet hashtags for minors? Has the semester been canceled or their school shut-down permanently? Don't they have to prepare for college, or work?

It would also appear from signage etc that someone is, finally, teaching them things about government/civics as they are now targeting State Reps and Congressmen and not just "Trump" as we as piggy-backing on other social agendas, like the LBTGHIQ etc stuff- which likely has the some of the same funders as this new political campaign against the 2nd (and other) Amendments- which is "not political."  ;)
https://www.buzzfeed.com/remysmidt/heres-what-its-like-at-the-headquarters-of-the-teens?utm_term=.bmAyQxwBV#.nqb9RBeDd

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #316 on: February 22, 2018, 07:37:49 PM »
In the last scene before cutting back to the anchor, what is the green rubber band wrapped around the knob of the door he is trying to open?
I was guessing they were using the rubber band so the latch was engaged show how the door could still not be opened even if "lock was shot out" and so there was no door latch.

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #317 on: February 22, 2018, 07:41:25 PM »

https://www.buzzfeed.com/remysmidt/heres-what-its-like-at-the-headquarters-of-the-teens?utm_term=.bmAyQxwBV#.nqb9RBeDd


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In just days, the group of teenage survivors have made themselves impossible to ignore

Funny I’ve had no problem ignoring them.

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At a Fort Lauderdale rally, senior Emma González delivered a fiery speech against President Trump and the NRA, which quickly went viral and was seen by millions around the globe

According to who? Fake twitter? or fake CNN news? or fake google? or fake Wikipedia?


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« Reply #318 on: February 22, 2018, 07:44:03 PM »
Funny I’ve had no problem ignoring them.


I haven't had a problem ignoring them either.

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« Reply #319 on: February 22, 2018, 07:47:18 PM »
I haven't had a problem ignoring them either.
Ditto. 

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #320 on: February 22, 2018, 07:59:18 PM »
DIdn't they just practice a drill at that school? And they didn't know that there was a 20 minute tape delay!? Thank goodness Cruz didn't use that 20minutes to kill some more people. Also, assuming the narrative is accurate, it is good it was just some crazy kid because in 20min with some help he could've escaped.

Wow. I'm almost more dismayed that LEO from the Federal on down to the local PD, to the officers on scene are incompetent, subject to so much miscommunication, and so many "missed cues," "missed opportunities," people "on radar" but "ball dropped," etc than the various conspiracy theories that these events are planned, or "allowed to happen," by them/someone.

Sorry, I'm not buying this miscommunication shit anymore and I don't know how anyone can. If they are incompetent it's because they're intentionally doing so. ::)

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #321 on: February 22, 2018, 08:04:09 PM »
In the last scene before cutting back to the anchor, what is the green rubber band wrapped around the knob of the door he is trying to open?

Good question, Duke. Not sure, but maybe it was an attempt to prevent the lock from engaging, so they could see if the device could work on its' own without help from the lock.

Edit- I see that albrecht already mentioned this. Gotta act fast to keep up with him.  ;)

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #322 on: February 22, 2018, 08:30:46 PM »
https://www.wptv.com/news/national/deputy-at-florida-high-school-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns
"Israel [sic] claimed that Peterson "clearly" knew there was a shooting, and was seen doing "nothing" on video. Israel [sic] added that there were no known issues with communication.  Peterson will be eligible for retirement following his resignation."

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #323 on: February 22, 2018, 08:42:44 PM »
https://www.wptv.com/news/national/deputy-at-florida-high-school-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns
"Israel [sic] claimed that Peterson "clearly" knew there was a shooting, and was seen doing "nothing" on video. Israel [sic] added that there were no known issues with communication.  Peterson will be eligible for retirement following his resignation."

The police have no constitutional duty to protect you. 99% of police are not going to risk their life to save anyone from a shooter. They write tickets and nightstick the black folk to keep them in line thats it. If you value your life you will buy a gun and learn to use it.


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« Reply #324 on: February 22, 2018, 09:26:11 PM »

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« Reply #325 on: February 22, 2018, 09:44:43 PM »

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #326 on: February 22, 2018, 10:18:22 PM »
many school districts have police officers assigned or school security officers.  I wonder if this school was such.  And if the officer was able to 'first respond?'

Your prescient question about the SRO was answered today by the Sheriff:

http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=11910.msg1158879#msg1158879

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #327 on: February 23, 2018, 12:30:22 AM »
The media and liberals in general are exploiting these kids so they can pass their precious gun control agenda.  This is important to watch.



Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #328 on: February 23, 2018, 12:40:38 AM »
The police have no constitutional duty to protect you. 99% of police are not going to risk their life to save anyone from a shooter. They write tickets and nightstick the black folk to keep them in line thats it. If you value your life you will buy a gun and learn to use it.



Right! LOL.  A call to 911 will very likely not save your life either if you have a home invasion.  Learn how to use a gun and keep it handy though safe from kids.  Really sucks if you have a trigger lock because if you had a home invasion you'd be in trouble maybe dead.

Re: School shooting Miami area 20180214
« Reply #329 on: February 23, 2018, 12:43:42 AM »
Pretty soon you're going to be eating those words, g-man. Glad to have figured you out though. ;)

Oh, look.  It's my personal troll.  Hi troll.