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Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1680 on: January 21, 2018, 03:14:43 AM »
Preliminary report:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/sheriff-lombardo-says-gunmans-girlfriend-wont-face-charges-in-las-vegas-shooting/
Interesting.  I just don't get the motive.  Wasn't he on a medication known to cause mental illness?



Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1683 on: February 07, 2018, 05:15:47 AM »

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1684 on: February 10, 2018, 12:31:29 PM »
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/investigations/las-vegas-shooters-autopsy-gives-no-clues/
"No clues?"

"Diazepam is a sedative-hypnotic drug in the class of benzodiazepines, which studies have shown can trigger aggressive behavior."


Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1685 on: February 10, 2018, 01:08:24 PM »
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/investigations/las-vegas-shooters-autopsy-gives-no-clues/
"No clues?"

"Diazepam is a sedative-hypnotic drug in the class of benzodiazepines, which studies have shown can trigger aggressive behavior."
Diazepam is valium. It's supposed to produce a calming effect. Only occasionally does agitation occur.
This is not the first time this shooter has been reported to have been driven to aggression by Diazepam. Why is the effect in him the opposite of the drug's effect on most people? Where is HAL whatever number (Sarah Palin avatar) when we need him?

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1686 on: February 10, 2018, 01:31:41 PM »
Diazepam is valium. It's supposed to produce a calming effect. Only occasionally does agitation occur.
This is not the first time this shooter has been reported to have been driven to aggression by Diazepam. Why is the effect in him the opposite of the drug's effect on most people? Where is HAL whatever number (Sarah Palin avatar) when we need him?
Yeah this isn't, really, "breaking news," it was reported that he had bottles of the drug but this confirms that he actually had it in his system at the time of the shootings. Apparently it is a "known thing" but at first when I heard I also thought "I thought Valium was a 'chill pill' not a go nuts pill?" But people's brains, usage levels, what else was going on etc? And sometimes the use is not logical- like giving speed to 'slow down' manic ADD kids/people. A normal person takes that stuff and they would get more alert, agitated, etc but, for some reason, it has the opposite effect on them, according to FDA etc at least.

from label for Diazepam:
"Common (1% to 10%): Confusion, withdrawal symptoms, euphoria, increased anxiety/anxiety, panic, irritability, delirium, aggressiveness/aggression, numbed emotions, instability, restlessness, agitation, inappropriate behavior, delusions, rage, hallucinations, nightmares, confusional or paranoid psychosis/psychoses"

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1687 on: February 17, 2018, 02:58:31 AM »

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1688 on: February 17, 2018, 10:57:17 AM »
Yeah this isn't, really, "breaking news," it was reported that he had bottles of the drug but this confirms that he actually had it in his system at the time of the shootings. Apparently it is a "known thing" but at first when I heard I also thought "I thought Valium was a 'chill pill' not a go nuts pill?" But people's brains, usage levels, what else was going on etc? And sometimes the use is not logical- like giving speed to 'slow down' manic ADD kids/people. A normal person takes that stuff and they would get more alert, agitated, etc but, for some reason, it has the opposite effect on them, according to FDA etc at least.

from label for Diazepam:
"Common (1% to 10%): Confusion, withdrawal symptoms, euphoria, increased anxiety/anxiety, panic, irritability, delirium, aggressiveness/aggression, numbed emotions, instability, restlessness, agitation, inappropriate behavior, delusions, rage, hallucinations, nightmares, confusional or paranoid psychosis/psychoses"
I can't remember what it's called, but sometimes allopathic medicine does the exact opposite of what it was manufactured for.  Something about body chemistry.  It's usually just a once in a while thing.  It's a known phenomenon.

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1689 on: March 15, 2018, 01:19:46 PM »

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« Reply #1690 on: March 22, 2018, 01:43:59 PM »
Released video and time-line to the NYTimes "exclusively," supposedly:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/us/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock.html

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1691 on: May 16, 2018, 10:41:51 PM »
"The police department opposed releasing the information, calling the public records request costly and time-consuming."

https://apnews.com/f467daaa52864d3ba2eaca4c7708e2e5/The-Latest:-Hotel-guest-reported-hearing-Vegas-shots-nearby
"The person, whose name and gender were redacted in records released Wednesday by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, was unable to get through to 911 or the Mandalay Bay and instead called the nearby Luxor hotel to report the shooting. The call was transferred to Mandalay Bay security and the person reported the shooter appeared to be on the 30th floor.
The person waited by the hotel room peephole and saw about four police officers pass by 20 minutes later. The person stayed put for 40 to 50 more minutes before police called to say they had found the shooter on the 32nd floor.
“I tried to tell somebody as fast as possible that he was in our area but I couldn’t get through,” the person said."


"A man who says he met Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock less than a month before the Oct. 1 attack told authorities that Paddock had ranted against the government and warned that law enforcement and the military would start confiscating guns.
In a jailhouse interview with police and the FBI, the man said Paddock called Federal Emergency Management Agency “camps” set up after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 “a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and ... confiscating guns.”"

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1692 on: May 17, 2018, 02:06:55 AM »
"The police department opposed releasing the information, calling the public records request costly and time-consuming."

https://apnews.com/f467daaa52864d3ba2eaca4c7708e2e5/The-Latest:-Hotel-guest-reported-hearing-Vegas-shots-nearby
"The person, whose name and gender were redacted in records released Wednesday by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, was unable to get through to 911 or the Mandalay Bay and instead called the nearby Luxor hotel to report the shooting. The call was transferred to Mandalay Bay security and the person reported the shooter appeared to be on the 30th floor.
The person waited by the hotel room peephole and saw about four police officers pass by 20 minutes later. The person stayed put for 40 to 50 more minutes before police called to say they had found the shooter on the 32nd floor.
“I tried to tell somebody as fast as possible that he was in our area but I couldn’t get through,” the person said."


"A man who says he met Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock less than a month before the Oct. 1 attack told authorities that Paddock had ranted against the government and warned that law enforcement and the military would start confiscating guns.
In a jailhouse interview with police and the FBI, the man said Paddock called Federal Emergency Management Agency “camps” set up after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 “a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and ... confiscating guns.”"
This article is very informative, but i dont get the timeline. Is it saying that shooting started at 1:30pm?

Was he an arms dealer?  They make a LOT of money...

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1693 on: May 17, 2018, 03:06:38 AM »
When the massacre happened, I saw no motive whatsoever and figured based on his wealth that he was an arms dealer (no one gets rich gambling as much as he gamb!ed...).  I figured he was raided and murdered.  I also wo nder about events at other casinos nearby that night.

Anyhow maybe he was a patsy.

https://70news.wordpress.com/2017/10/06/video-did-stephen-paddocks-brother-admit-stephen-was-an-arms-dealer-an-isis-entrapment-arms-deal-gone-bad/

I know real people were hurt, so i dont mean to offend anyone.  But none of the videos shows more than one or two dead or injured.  I just don't see over 500 injured or over 50 killed.  So maybe that didn't happen, maybe the numbers were much lower?

Here is an informative video. 
https://tenone2017.com/root/2017/12/10/v1950/

Re: Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay
« Reply #1694 on: May 17, 2018, 03:10:05 AM »
Yeah this isn't, really, "breaking news," it was reported that he had bottles of the drug but this confirms that he actually had it in his system at the time of the shootings. Apparently it is a "known thing" but at first when I heard I also thought "I thought Valium was a 'chill pill' not a go nuts pill?" But people's brains, usage levels, what else was going on etc? And sometimes the use is not logical- like giving speed to 'slow down' manic ADD kids/people. A normal person takes that stuff and they would get more alert, agitated, etc but, for some reason, it has the opposite effect on them, according to FDA etc at least.

from label for Diazepam:
"Common (1% to 10%): Confusion, withdrawal symptoms, euphoria, increased anxiety/anxiety, panic, irritability, delirium, aggressiveness/aggression, numbed emotions, instability, restlessness, agitation, inappropriate behavior, delusions, rage, hallucinations, nightmares, confusional or paranoid psychosis/psychoses"
They are saying he planned it for over a week, and acted rationally.  If his meds had a side effect, wouldn't that have shown in his behavior during the ten days prior?  But everyone said he acted normal.