Live Shooters Las Vegas Several Dead at Mandalay Bay

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pMnZCaA464

[Zetaspeak]

Las Vegas shooter recalled as intelligent gambler well-versed on gun rights

An Australian man who came to know Stephen Paddock intimately in recent years has offered the most detailed public portrait yet of the Las Vegas mass killer.

He said Paddock was a highly intelligent, strategic though “guarded” individual who won a fortune applying algorithms to gambling, and studied arguments for his right to own weapons under the US constitution.

Their acquaintanceship, through more than half a dozen encounters in the US and the Philippines between 2013 and 2015, revealed Paddock’s generosity â€" which had his overseas guests living in “palatial” style â€" and the existence of a “gun room” at his home in Mesquite, Nevada.

“Yes, I was familiar with him,” the man, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Guardian at his Brisbane home on Wednesday. “He was extremely intelligent, methodical, conservative â€" guarded â€" and strategic. A planning, thinking type of guy.”

But nothing at the time, including their “robust” discussions about US gun laws, rang alarm bells to suggest that he was capable of “such an inhumane, terrible, vicious act”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-intelligent-gambler-gun-rights

[Dr. MD MD]

Las Vegas shooter recalled as intelligent gambler well-versed on gun rights

An Australian man who came to know Stephen Paddock intimately in recent years has offered the most detailed public portrait yet of the Las Vegas mass killer.

He said Paddock was a highly intelligent, strategic though “guarded” individual who won a fortune applying algorithms to gambling, and studied arguments for his right to own weapons under the US constitution.

Their acquaintanceship, through more than half a dozen encounters in the US and the Philippines between 2013 and 2015, revealed Paddock’s generosity â€" which had his overseas guests living in “palatial” style â€" and the existence of a “gun room” at his home in Mesquite, Nevada.

“Yes, I was familiar with him,” the man, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Guardian at his Brisbane home on Wednesday. “He was extremely intelligent, methodical, conservative â€" guarded â€" and strategic. A planning, thinking type of guy.”

But nothing at the time, including their “robust” discussions about US gun laws, rang alarm bells to suggest that he was capable of “such an inhumane, terrible, vicious act”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-intelligent-gambler-gun-rights

Why would a conservative shoot at other conservatives. Was he a self-hating conservative? Is this really the narrative you're trying to spin? 

[Swishypants]

Why would a conservative shoot at other conservatives. Was he a self-hating conservative? Is this really the narrative you're trying to spin? 

To force Gun Confiscation and ignite a full-blown armed civil conflict.

[Dr. MD MD]

To force Gun Confiscation and ignite a full-blown armed civil conflict.

Yeah but why would conservatives want that?! It's really more of a liberal thing.

[Lt.Uhura]

To force Gun Confiscation and ignite a full-blown armed civil conflict.

You can't be serious. What a perfect example of convoluted logic.

But no worries, they've already resumed "Full Auto" shooting tours in Vegas. And there's a big gun show this weekend.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4949660/Tourists-visit-gun-range-Las-Vegas-massacre.html

[Swishypants]

Yeah but why would conservatives want that?! It's really more of a liberal thing.

Force the issue now and avoid the "frog in pot" phenomenon? That I don't know. He was afterall a nutty fuck!

[Swishypants]

You cant be serious. What a perfect example of convoluted logic.

It was speculation before this comment. It seems I've stumbled ass-backwards onto the truth.

[Lt.Uhura]

It was speculation before this comment. It seems I've stumbled ass-backwards onto the truth.

That's ok. Guys like this will appreciate your concern for his 2nd Amendment rights



http://nypost.com/2017/10/05/naked-drunk-man-allegedly-fired-guns-into-the-air-to-test-if-theyd-work/

[Swishypants]

Remember when Abolitionist John Brown gave Hitler the idea for Kristallnacht? Hitler was like:

[Dr. MD MD]

Here are a few of the comments from liberals on a video trying to analyze this event:

-Cmon u racist apes rdy for the race war? Look what a 64 year old white man can do
-I guess their superior race couldnt stop those bullets. SAD!
-well at least we got 60 less trump supporters running around 😂😂😂

They certainly weren't representative of the majority of comments but it just amazes me that there are actually people like this who are so blindly partisan that they can joke about the other side being murdered.  :

[Swishypants]

You never know who you're talking to online. Most people online don't even know they're bots!

[Dr. MD MD]

You never know who you're talking to online. Most people online don't even know they're bots!

I wasn't talking to them. They were comments left below a YouTube video.

[Swishypants]

I wasn't talking to them. They were comments left below a YouTube video.

Here is a photo of ponyboysunset and I in the future when I turn her back into a heterosexual.

[Dr. MD MD]

Here is a photo of ponyboysunset and I in the future when I turn her back into a heterosexual.

Keep fantasizing! You may be chosen to be the next patsy. 

[Swishypants]

Keep fantasizing! You may be chosen to be the next patsy. 

Yaaaay! I can be buried at sea!

[Dr. MD MD]

Yaaaay! I can be buried at sea!

We only do that with foreign enemies of the state who actually died years ago. 

[Swishypants]

We only do that with foreign enemies of the state who actually died years ago. 

I honestly have no idea what country I'm living in anymore. CORIOLANUS!

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNI52jItd8w

[Hog]

Yeah, I can see that. Forgot about that drug before that Bank Robbers 'event' (though wouldn't that be the idea to 'slow your roll'? I would think one would want to amp up awareness and such?) I guess going off them is bad but, so far, I haven't seen anything about him 'going off' them? And don't usually you want to amp up a bit (NAZI meth, US Airforce, etc method before longterm shooting, flying, etc operations?)

Yes, Valium is a very long half life Benzodiazepine, and you are correct its a "downer" for most people.  For some these can act like a stimulant.
Benzos can have effects that mimic alcohol, esp. in people who are naïve to benzo use.  And because of Valiums long half life, many of these intoxicating effects only occur during initiation of treatment.  If abusing these drugs tolerance builds up fast.

The low dose "go" pills that the military uses nowdays work just fine to extend alertness, but if properly administered are a far cry from the effects that can occur from intoxication. If dosage is large enough for long enough you start getting into amphetamine psychosis, but that's where people start doing things without rational though and often react to visual and audible hallucinations.

Some people need drugs to do bad things, some people don't.

peace
Hog

[Juan]

Here’s a very interesting theory involving drug changes, ADHD, slowly evolving psychotic breaks, etc.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/john-ringo/a-theory-on-las-vegas/10155111388257055/

It seems reasonable to me, though we don’t know enough yet. Uhura, what do you think?

[Dr. MD MD]

Yes, Valium is a very long half life Benzodiazepine, and you are correct its a "downer" for most people.  For some these can act like a stimulant.
Benzos can have effects that mimic alcohol, esp. in people who are naïve to benzo use.  And because of Valiums long half life, many of these intoxicating effects only occur during initiation of treatment.  If abusing these drugs tolerance builds up fast.

The low dose "go" pills that the military uses nowdays work just fine to extend alertness, but if properly administered are a far cry from the effects that can occur from intoxication. If dosage is large enough for long enough you start getting into amphetamine psychosis, but that's where people start doing things without rational though and often react to visual and audible hallucinations.

Some people need drugs to do bad things, some people don't.

peace
Hog

You have to admit that reaction is rare. 9 times out of 10 if someone comes into an ER freaked out, panicking, hysterical, etc. and it's not from already being on drugs it's SOP to administer a nice jab of that.

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUwG4gv7zA

[Billy Joe Mulgreavey]

Just watched a vid of Jason Aldean running off the stage.  People are saying he is a coward for running before warning fans of an active shooter.  Gotta shake my head at all the Monday morning quarterback stuff. 

[ItsOver]

If this psycho was doing alcohol AND Valium, if certainly didn't help.

“If you get close to 100 percent â€" that’s where he gambled,” Eric Paddock said. “It’s not just the machine. It’s the comps, it’s the room. It’s the 50-year-old port that costs $500 a glass. You add all that stuff together and his net is better than 100 percent.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/stephen-paddock-gambling.html

...Alcohol disinhibits behavior as well and combined with valium may lead to aggressive or violent behavior...

http://www.livestrong.com/article/216529-side-effects-of-valium-alcohol/

I know, who'd ever associate alcohol and drugs with Vegas?

[Hog]

Here are a few of the comments from liberals on a video trying to analyze this event:

-Cmon u racist apes rdy for the race war? Look what a 64 year old white man can do
-I guess their superior race couldnt stop those bullets. SAD!
-well at least we got 60 less trump supporters running around 😂😂😂

They certainly weren't representative of the majority of comments but it just amazes me that there are actually people like this who are so blindly partisan that they can joke about the other side being murdered.  :

Wow!  agreed, that is pretty brutal.


peace
Hog

[ItsOver]

Las Vegas shooting: Stephen Paddock was 'upbeat, happy' as he bought guns

"The general manager of Guns & Guitars, the Mesquite store where Stephen Paddock purchased a rifle as recently as Sept. 28, said there was nothing amiss when Paddock purchased a bolt-action rifle at his store the Thursday before carrying out the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

“It was a normal day. He came in and filled out his paperwork, went across the street, did some shopping at Walmart, came back, shook my hand, said ‘have a great day’ and out the door he went,” said Christopher Sullivan."

Despite being a recognizable customer, Sullivan said Paddock never showed any warning signs. He said he never detected aggression, anger or irritation from Paddock.

“He was upbeat, happy, normal guy â€" shake hands, have a good day. It just wasn’t there, man. At some point, he snapped. What made him snap? I don’t know.”

Paddock passed a background check every time he bought a gun from the store, and all of the firearms he bought from Guns & Guitars were purchased legally."

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/04/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-upbeat-happy-he-bought-guns/734195001/

[ItsOver]

"The anti-anxiety drug prescribed to Stephen Paddock less than four months before his horrific onslaught in Las Vegas is often consumed by marksmen to calm their nerves and steady their aim.
But that same drug â€" diazepam â€" also was prescribed for John Hinckley Jr. before his attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan in 1981. Washington, D.C., attorney Paul Kamenar said Wednesday that he believes diazepam aggravated Hinckley’s mental illness and “actually contributed to his dangerous propensity.”
The Jekyll-and-Hyde reactions to the drug, more commonly known under the trade name Valium, are well understood, according to both Dr. Denis Patterson, a board-certified pain medicine specialist based in Reno, and Dr. Mel Pohl, chief medical officer at the Las Vegas Recovery Center."

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/drug-given-to-paddock-calms-some-provokes-others-experts-say/

[Hog]

You have to admit that reaction is rare. 9 times out of 10 if someone comes into an ER freaked out, panicking, hysterical, etc. and it's not from already being on drugs it's SOP to administer a nice jab of that.

Yes I agree 100%. Ive also given Haldol depending on the specific situation.

I just happen to know a person who becomes quite stimulated from the Benzo family. She will take her PO PRN dose at bedtime and becomes "stimulated" or appears stimulated, it could be because of the drugs effects on the inhibitory system, loquacity etc. but yes, this reaction is rare.

I do know that this woman lived through the Halcion(triazolam) period of the 70s.  Extremely short half life, not good for early awakening insomnia or sleep maintenance.  The idea I guess was that its short 1/2 life would help to avoid morning "residual or "hangover" effects.

peace
Hog

[Hog]

If this psycho was doing alcohol AND Valium, if certainly didn't help.

“If you get close to 100 percent â€" that’s where he gambled,” Eric Paddock said. “It’s not just the machine. It’s the comps, it’s the room. It’s the 50-year-old port that costs $500 a glass. You add all that stuff together and his net is better than 100 percent.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/stephen-paddock-gambling.html

...Alcohol disinhibits behavior as well and combined with valium may lead to aggressive or violent behavior...

http://www.livestrong.com/article/216529-side-effects-of-valium-alcohol/

I know, who'd ever associate alcohol and drugs with Vegas?

Gambling addiction and cocaine addiction go hand in hand.  The lab tests will tell the tale, but a lot of gamblers will do cocaine as well, as any habitual cocaine user will tell you, that there is a point where its nice to be able to reduce the edginess that comes after the high fades. Alcohol and/or benzodiazepines do the trick, as do opiates. Even if not combining gambling with cocaine, the intense stimulation that a gambling addict can experience can cause the person to turn to other chemicals such as alcohol, benzodiazepines, opiates to "calm the frazzled nerves" that would come after a good gambling "run" and its subsequent "crash".

This is just what happens with gambling addiction, whether this shooter was a gambling addict, whether he was self medicating with any sort of chemicals, or if Valium had any effect on this guy related to the massacre, is pure conjecture on my part.

Just a note for comparing dosages, someone said the shooter was prescribed 10mg Valium(diazepam) and 10mg is the largest immediate release dosage available, you can also get 1mg and 2mg tablets.(up here anyways) and parenteral versions(injectables) don't come any stronger than 5mg/ml).

peace
Hog