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Billy Meier - Michael Horn
« on: February 23, 2009, 05:47:04 AM »
Lurking here over the past few months, i have come to respect you folks as mostly rational individuals. So from one rational individual to another, is there anything, ANYTHING at all about Billy Meiers and his prophecies that you can accept? I only ask this because I checked to see what guests were upcoming and there is nothing at all to really pique my interest this week. But, Monday night Micheal Horn will be on pimping his 'research' on Billy Meiers, trying his damnedest to convert us all into new age ufo hippy types. Among Meiers claims is that he met with the Pleadian Alien who was THE historical Jesus, and this alien confessed that Meiers was more evolved intellectually and spiritually than Christ himself. I am not a bible thumper at all, but that one statement offended the hell out of me. I would be equally offended if he claimed to be more evolved than Socrates or Buddha. Seems to me the guy built himself a nice little niche cult all based on his contacts with aliens. I would join the church of the subgenius long before I could stomach Billy Meier's clearly faked UFO photos (which number in the 1000's supposedly) and awful his reinterpretation of Hinduism. Here is a link to the crazy Horn is peddling http://www.theyfly.com/ Scroll down to the bottom to see the AMAZING WONDERFUL EVIDENCE that  PROVE UNEQUSTIONABLY that aliens are among us.

Secondly, If its this easy to build a religious following based on supposed contact with aliens, how long do you think it will be before Hoagland starts the Church Of The Face?

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 06:57:44 AM »
I would join the church of the subgenius long before I could stomach Billy Meier's clearly faked UFO photos (which number in the 1000's supposedly)  . . .

 ;D In the age of 3D art programs like Bryce & Poser & Vue, which can create nifty-looking scenes with aliens & flying saucers from scratch, & applications like Photoshop & PaintShop that can manipulate existing images to insert UFOs into a photo, it totally amazes me that people still are wondering if Meiers' pics are the real-deal . . .   ???  Even digital images made in Poser or Photoshop are still obviously just that - "made."  :o  But Meiers' pictures, faked decades ago with pie pans & hub caps, are even more obvious, & should lay that idiotic chapter in UFOlogy to a well-deserved rest.  But, of course, it doesn't - it gives George Noory one more opportunity to ask his suck-up questions to Michael Horn . . .  :-*

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Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 01:36:47 PM »
Lurking here over the past few months, i have come to respect you folks as mostly rational individuals. So from one rational individual to another...

You suppose too much sir, too much  ;D

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how long do you think it will be before Hoagland starts the Church Of The Face?

About 2 minutes after he reads your post he will just add that to the several 501 (c) 3's he has going to not pay taxes on all that cash he scams, um earns, sorry.


Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 01:37:48 PM »
Lurking here over the past few months, i have come to respect you folks as mostly rational individuals. So from one rational individual to another, is there anything, ANYTHING at all about Billy Meiers and his prophecies that you can accept?
no.  i could always tell art had on michael horn as some sort of attempt to show everybody what an automobile accident with fatalities looks like.  remember that one time art had horn on the show, and at the very end of the broadcast, horn plugged a music cd he was hawking?  HAHA!!!  art was absolutely embarrassed for horn.

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this alien confessed that Meiers was more evolved intellectually and spiritually than Christ himself. I am not a bible thumper at all, but that one statement offended the hell out of me.
not only am i not a bible thumper, but i'm not even a christian and that statement angers me.

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Scroll down to the bottom to see the AMAZING WONDERFUL EVIDENCE that  PROVE UNEQUSTIONABLY that aliens are among us.
and just think... the photos posted on that site are posted there because they were found by horn to be the ABSOLUTE BEST PHOTOS out of the lot.  if that's the case, just imagine the photos he must have left out.

;D In the age of 3D art programs like Bryce & Poser & Vue, which can create nifty-looking scenes with aliens & flying saucers from scratch, & applications like Photoshop & PaintShop that can manipulate existing images to insert UFOs into a photo, it totally amazes me that people still are wondering if Meiers' pics are the real-deal . . .   ???  Even digital images made in Poser or Photoshop are still obviously just that - "made."  :o  But Meiers' pictures, faked decades ago with pie pans & hub caps, are even more obvious, & should lay that idiotic chapter in UFOlogy to a well-deserved rest.
fucking amen.  god almighty.  i can't believe ANYONE buys this shit.  horn obviously can't really believe this shit.  he's peddling books and various other wares as a means of paying his electric bill.  as such, i'm sure he's so heavily invested in peddling this bit of misinformation that there's nothing anybody could say to him... nothing anybody could SHOW to horn, to compel him to admit it's all bullshit.  it's why horn could never be a credible source WHATSOEVER on the subject of meier.  he is too invested in the perpetuation of this story.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2009, 04:02:22 PM »
You suppose too much sir, too much  ;D

About 2 minutes after he reads your post he will just add that to the several 501 (c) 3's he has going to not pay taxes on all that cash he scams, um earns, sorry.

 :o Hoagland will then appear on C2C with a special guest - The Face - & will then proceed to yak so much that The Face won't be able to get a word in edge-wise . . . !  :'(

Representatives of Billy Meier
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 08:48:42 PM »
Hey guys,

What is with this trend over the years? Of course we all know of renowned hoax artist Billy Meier and his laughably bad pictures of "aliens" and "ufos" that have been roundly debunked many times over on the internet. However, on C2C over the years, there has been a myraid of guests representing Meier or have some involvement with Meier. There's been at least four I can think of off the top of my head.

George Green
Michael Horn
Edward Martin
Paola Harris

On the C2C website, a search for "Meier" turns up 59 show entries.

Now so far all of these people have been vastly interesting cranks. George Green in particular is my favorite as a raving loon. However what I wonder is where do these people come from? Even Charlie Manson didn't have this many reps. I wonder if Meier is offering franchises for his ridiculous stories or if these people are just trying to make a buck off the story or what. I'm so fascinated though to know what the real deal is with the string of those involved with Billy Meier.

Re: Representatives of Billy Meier
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2010, 12:34:21 PM »

Gotta wonder.  Is Meyer even INVOLVED or has his name become a brand that may be invoked by anyone?


Michael Horn's Coming Up Sunday (Dec 11), Get Ready for Slander!
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 09:54:10 PM »
Michael Horn, the "Authorized American Media Representative" of Billy Meier, is slated for tomorrow, December 11, 2011.  The host, Wells, explains how Horn got on considering that Horn was banned from Coast a few months ago and he was happy about it.

Horn has a habit of making a lot of noise.  A LOT of noise.  And refusing to actually answer a question when cornered, but instead turning around and claiming victory anyway.  For some reason I don't quite understand - probably because I haven't outright ignored him - Horn has become what I can only think of at this point at least minorly obsessed with me.  As evidence to that, I point to my blog (linked in signature) which he subscribes to and will post in the comments section on anything he can even slightly latch Meier material onto.  I can refer you even to my latest post, second comment, for that.

It's partially because of his comments there that I'm posting here, for I think there's a non-trivial possibility that Horn will actually discuss me on this show, and I have no doubt he will skew the facts of the matter and come very close to slander.  He's already been libelous with making a hate page about me on his site (something I consider a bit of a skeptical badge of honor).

To iterate my position for the first time here and for the re-upteenth time elsewhere, I have investigated a VERY specific claim Michael Horn made about Billy Meier's predictions, and this was in reference to the asteroid Apophis.  In my first post, Michael put forth evidence he claimed shows Meier's power of phorphecy or fore-knoweldge of that asteroid.  I then made a second post on the subject where I combed through the Meier material on the prediction and showed that it was pure retrodiction -- the claimed evidence was not there to support Michael's claim.  Then I made yet a third post that addressed that specific claim as well as a the scientific process a bit more broadly, specifically what falsification means in science.  There was no prejudice, I took a magnifying glass to that specific claim and looked for evidence that was not there.

Since then, I have pretty much refused to engage Horn until he presents further evidence that my analysis was flawed, or he presents further evidence that I did not know of before that does show that Apophis was not a retrodiction.  He has failed to do so.  This is despite his claims to the contrary.  As far as I can tell, his only "answer" was contained in his blog post, "The Answer".  If you read it, you will see he does not do what I asked.  He squirms around the issue and claims that the Plejaran aliens could not have given Meier the specific material, or Meier could not have said it until after the fact, due to plausible deniability issues.  Even if that were the case, it does not provide further evidence that Meier predicted Apophis.

Anyway, I look "forward" perhaps with a bit of dread to tomorrow's interview.  We'll see what happens.  His latest shtick is the prophetic Jupiter and Io information of Meier, which I will likely address in a future blog series at some point, but I'm too busy with other stuff and I have other interests at the moment.  I wouldn't be surprised if he talks about his claims that "the skeptic" who debunked the Jupiter and Io information actually proved Meier right in a later analysis by Horn.

I'll likely do a post about Horn's appearance on C2C tomorrow IF there's anything new he brings up, or specific that he talks about that I can quickly sink my teeth into.  If he talks about me, I will likely NOT do a post because I'm satisfied with the record as laid out in my blog.

Horn is a paranoid media-hungry person who has no qualms with stretching, bending, or just shooting right past the truth to further his own gains.  This is even to the point of first being happy to respond to and help a German girl named "Jennifer" in the comments section of this blog post (just search for "Jennifer") to, after he realized she wasn't buying his excuses, starting to rant against her and thinking she's some sort of intelligence agency operative in his blog.

As I said, we'll see what happens tomorrow night.

Re: Michael Horn's Coming Up Sunday (Dec 11), Get Ready for Slander!
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 05:11:28 PM »
Wow.  Gotta love Michael's "press releases" that I spam a few times a week.  Here's one he just sent out.  Links and formatting have been removed.  My point in posting this is to show you what kind of stuff he puts out and how he promotes himself.  You'd think that someone who's an "authorized media representative" would do better with his decorum.

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Please get to know each other if you already don't. Especially get to know Derek Bartholomaus, the poster boy for shameless dishonesty and lack of integrity. He gets some more good press here:
            BREAKING: IIG Skeptics Retract ANOTHER Claim against Meier Case!

Say hi to the folks at Point of Inquiry, who are also too scared to actually inquire about the Billy Meier case...let alone credibly challenge it. It could be something they caught from Bartholomaus and IIG...like a contagious case of common cowardice.

Meet Stuart Robbins, the pseudo-scientist stuck in deep denial; here's a free plug for him.

Then there's the James Randi organization with its love of flailing away it easy targets - like Robbins and the folks at IIG, etc. do as they masquerade as "scientists".

Stephen Novella has already been dismissed for being a bumbler who, instead of researching things himself, relies on long dismissed, inaccurate, second hand information. And Michael Shermer, well, someday he may shed the last vestiges of his religious beliefs when he disconnects from the Church of Skeptology and dares to delve into the Meier material. Of course that will produce a rather unique epiphany in itself...should he ever muster the courage.

Across, or perhaps stuck in, the pond we have Phil Langdon, the fishing line specialist, who's gleefully fallen in with the long proven liar and defamer, Kal Korff, who himself was outed by the "non-existent" Plejaren before he could spring a rather diabolical trap on Meier and me. And they're pals with our friend in France, Starglider, who's also convinced that Meier used every trick in the book...just to try to fool him, of course.

Of course there's Alejandro Rojas at, er..."Open Minds", an organization that had no less than three consecutive attempts at debunking the Meier case (including in their interview with me). Imagine that, an organization that spends $50,000 to get the entire collection of work by Wendelle Stevens' - the lead investigator in the Billy Meier case - that then tries to do a hatchet job on the best evidence in existence. Kinda makes one wonder just what their real agenda is. But Alejandro seems to have developed a sudden case of laryngitis when pressed on the subject.

The list wouldn't be complete without a mention of Gazrock and the folks over at ATS, who have promoted the most vicious, unsubstantiated attacks against the Meier case, in fulfilling their own  disinformation campaign...also apparently backed by some deep pockets with a dark agenda. You gotta love a group that makes sure that no positive information and responses regarding the Meier case go unpunished, if even allowed. For some reason they took a dim view of my accidental outing of an attorney from a high-powered law firm who was masquerading there - while doing somepone's dirty work attacking the Meier case.

And let's not leave out some folks on the other side of the aisle. One who pretends to be "searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, etc.", is our old friend Seth Shostak, ta-dum!, for whom such a fruitful search, i.e. "discovering" the still ongoing Meier contacts, would spell the end of his particular form of (privately funded, thank you) corporate welfare.

I'll also give a nod also to Bernie Haisch, a scientist who also seems to be suffering from the same Church-like aversion to "looking through the telescope" at the Meier material; could he feel that his reputation would suffer by admitting the obvious in his little interviews on the UFO subject, etc.?

It's possible that I left a number of people out who may be grateful that I did. Nonetheless, please feel free to contemplate the kind of company you keep.

And you can hear me tonight on C2C...call in and complain if you wish.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2011, 07:37:09 PM »
looking forward to hearing your call in the last hour of c2c tonight to confront Horn directly.
maybe he will recognize you?  ;D

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2011, 07:39:01 PM »
looking forward to hearing your call in the last hour of c2c tonight to confront Horn directly.
maybe he will recognize you?  ;D

I'll be in bed and asleep, hopefully ;).  I actually have not listened live for about 3 years.

Hmm.  Looks like my stand-alone thread was merged with one that spells Meier's name wrong.  And Meier has never actually been a guest.


Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 02:42:03 PM »
I would like to start out saying that when there are a number of sightings or abductions I don't think they are all phonies.  Some are honest reportings.

So, with that as a basis, I find it curious that years back, in my mother's day, the aliens visiting were Pleiadians or Nordics - they were essentially human with enhancements.

These days most of the alien visitations are by Greys and a few by other types. 

Why?

I never knew an abductee, or at least no one ever mentioned it to me, but I did have a friend who operated a small retail business.  He did not take drugs.  I was the only customer one day and we got into a conversation.  He said one day he was in the store alone and this guy walks in and asks for directions.  As my friend was giving him directions the guy shifted shapes into what my friend saw as a large preying mantis and then he shifted back again.  My friend tried very hard not to react so the guy did not know he was losing his human form.  My friend was very frightened and even a bit fearful as he was telling me.

If I had not heard this from someone I knew to be credible I would be laughing at some of the comments of Art's guests, too. 

If I have had experiences that I cannot explain, why should not others have had different strange experiences?     

Re: Michael Horn's Coming Up Sunday (Dec 11), Get Ready for Slander!
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2015, 12:00:15 AM »
Michael Horn, the "Authorized American Media Representative" of Billy Meier, is slated for tomorrow, December 11, 2011.  The host, Wells, explains how Horn got on considering that Horn was banned from Coast a few months ago and he was happy about it.

Horn has a habit of making a lot of noise.  A LOT of noise.  And refusing to actually answer a question when cornered, but instead turning around and claiming victory anyway.  For some reason I don't quite understand - probably because I haven't outright ignored him - Horn has become what I can only think of at this point at least minorly obsessed with me.  As evidence to that, I point to my blog (linked in signature) which he subscribes to and will post in the comments section on anything he can even slightly latch Meier material onto.  I can refer you even to my latest post, second comment, for that.

It's partially because of his comments there that I'm posting here, for I think there's a non-trivial possibility that Horn will actually discuss me on this show, and I have no doubt he will skew the facts of the matter and come very close to slander.  He's already been libelous with making a hate page about me on his site (something I consider a bit of a skeptical badge of honor).

To iterate my position for the first time here and for the re-upteenth time elsewhere, I have investigated a VERY specific claim Michael Horn made about Billy Meier's predictions, and this was in reference to the asteroid Apophis.  In my first post, Michael put forth evidence he claimed shows Meier's power of phorphecy or fore-knoweldge of that asteroid.  I then made a second post on the subject where I combed through the Meier material on the prediction and showed that it was pure retrodiction -- the claimed evidence was not there to support Michael's claim.  Then I made yet a third post that addressed that specific claim as well as a the scientific process a bit more broadly, specifically what falsification means in science.  There was no prejudice, I took a magnifying glass to that specific claim and looked for evidence that was not there.

Since then, I have pretty much refused to engage Horn until he presents further evidence that my analysis was flawed, or he presents further evidence that I did not know of before that does show that Apophis was not a retrodiction.  He has failed to do so.  This is despite his claims to the contrary.  As far as I can tell, his only "answer" was contained in his blog post, "The Answer".  If you read it, you will see he does not do what I asked.  He squirms around the issue and claims that the Plejaran aliens could not have given Meier the specific material, or Meier could not have said it until after the fact, due to plausible deniability issues.  Even if that were the case, it does not provide further evidence that Meier predicted Apophis.

Anyway, I look "forward" perhaps with a bit of dread to tomorrow's interview.  We'll see what happens.  His latest shtick is the prophetic Jupiter and Io information of Meier, which I will likely address in a future blog series at some point, but I'm too busy with other stuff and I have other interests at the moment.  I wouldn't be surprised if he talks about his claims that "the skeptic" who debunked the Jupiter and Io information actually proved Meier right in a later analysis by Horn.

I'll likely do a post about Horn's appearance on C2C tomorrow IF there's anything new he brings up, or specific that he talks about that I can quickly sink my teeth into.  If he talks about me, I will likely NOT do a post because I'm satisfied with the record as laid out in my blog.

Horn is a paranoid media-hungry person who has no qualms with stretching, bending, or just shooting right past the truth to further his own gains.  This is even to the point of first being happy to respond to and help a German girl named "Jennifer" in the comments section of this blog post (just search for "Jennifer") to, after he realized she wasn't buying his excuses, starting to rant against her and thinking she's some sort of intelligence agency operative in his blog.

As I said, we'll see what happens tomorrow night.

That is exactly word for word my experience with Mr. Horn, check his latest twitter feed;

https://twitter.com/Michael812/with_replies

The guy claims anyone who doesn't worship Billy Meier as the messiah of mankind is a coward, etc. etc.

I really feel sorry for the UFO cult members suckered into the Meier trap. I did what many have done, made some obvious observations that one of Meier's flying saucer toys was made from a garbage can lid which is undeniable and the supposed spiritually evolved Meier camp go ballistic.



It's literally impossible to see the garbage can lid base of this 'authentic' photo of a flying saucer taken by Billy Meier other than what it is.

Michael Horn wanted to debate me on Art Bell's new show but Art doesn't seem to want anything to do with it, which is wise, I really hope Horn is banned from Midnight in the Desert. Even if it means I can't debate him, because the guy doesn't deserve an outlet beyond his childish twitter feed.

If anyone wants to see the videos I made on the subject, my youtube page is; http://youtube.com/hoaxhunter
My videos are mild compared to the ones that directly connect Meier with the Order of the Solar Temple in depth, another UFO cult,
that ended up like Heaven's Gate, former Meier cult members joined the Solar Temple and offed themselves, really sad. So UFO cults
seem to have a pattern, I'd strongly recommend to stay away from the lot of them.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2015, 03:53:54 PM »
I was asked by Michael Vandeven to respond to comments on this forum, which date back several years, and so I will take this opportunity to address the most current one.

First, with the exception of John Razimus, I see that there are no real people posting here, i.e. just a bunch of screen names where one would expect to see real, given names…if the people were honest, courageous enough to be themselves and of course actually...knowledgeable. (One commentor noted that Meier's name was spelled wrong by the rest of the "experts" here.) As someone who's been publicly presenting this material for almost 30 years, I've never been confronted or debated by anyone with these names, in fact with the exception of a couple of misguided and easily defeated radio hosts, no one has ever publicly debated me on the facts in the case…despite my willingness to do so.

In the pretend world of the online armchair experts, who have nothing better to do than display their ignorance and ineptitude, it's become acceptable not only to remain anonymous but to defame people one has never met, knows nothing about and whose character and accomplishments they can in no way ever hope to equal.

The "UFO experts" have succeeded in trivializing the topic to tabloid status…playing right into the hands of the disseminators of the disinformation in the first place, i.e. the intelligence, military, political, financial and religious interests. It's beyond ironic how all these geniuses have willingly spread falsehoods, lies, idiocy, etc. - while thinking they were doing exactly the opposite. BTW, if anyone's concerned about slander, etc., just read the comments above directed at Meier and me.

In the most current post here by John Razimus he repeats the same untrue, inaccurate, inane and unsubstantiated defamatory comments that he's made in his videos and Twitter account. In addressing these, many of the other equally ridiculous claims and attacks from the older comments may well be answered. Let's take them in order:

1. "The guy claims anyone who doesn't worship Billy Meier as the messiah of mankind is a coward, etc. etc."

MH: All that's necessary here is for Razimus to quote where I EVER said that. The truth is that I call him a coward because he has posted the defamatory attacks and run from being confronted by me in a live, broadcast debate on his factual accuracy. Of course I expect him to continue to do so. He's like the little bully who creeps up behind a kid, hits him in the back and then runs and hides behind his mother's skirts when he's about to get totally punched out.

2. "I really feel sorry for the UFO cult members suckered into the Meier trap."

MH: What "cult" is he talking about? I won't waste a lot of time with this here but it really helps to know what constitutes a cult and to be able to show that there actually is one in this case. My personal experience - over 36 years and 15 trips to Switzerland - has never revealed any kind of cult. Razimus' trips are solely inside his empty head.

3. "I did what many have done, made some obvious observations that one of Meier's flying saucer toys was made from a garbage can lid which is undeniable…"

MH: Razimus is not only incorrect, relying on thoroughly discredited information - Phil Langdon who promoted that theory failed also failed to show up for a debate he challenged me to on the William Piper show - he's failing to acknowledge that he was given links to the recent independent expert analysis of the WCUFO and to information showing how anyone, even a child, can prove the authenticity of the WCUFO themselves. His only response was to attempt to attack the credibility of the analysis but he failed to understand that the protocols were included so that anyone could duplicate the testing themselves, in accordance with the scientific method…something Razimus doesn't have even a nodding acquaintance with.

4. "Michael Horn wanted to debate me on Art Bell's new show but Art doesn't seem to want anything to do with it…"

MH: This is simply another lie. It was Razimus who tried to make a debate with him contingent upon Art Bell's hosting it, when Bell had nothing to do with it. Here is one of a number of his Tweets to that effect:

"Jun 19, .@Michael812 Have you emailed Art Bell @ArtBell51 like I have? Email Art to prove you have the stomach to debate me #billymeierdebate #ufo"

He also mentions his emailing Art Bell here: http://hoaxhunter.blogspot.com/2015/06/john-razimus-is-ready-to-debate-michael.html

It should be obvious to anyone that Razimus is a cowardly, immature, inept attention seeker who doesn't have the faintest clue as to what he's talking about, which is pretty much the standard in this field anyway. And, for those who care about such things, he's a blatant liar who's accusing good, honest people of lying.

The whole UFO topic is dealt with as simply high entertainment by most people, especially online, etc. It's a refuge for the most unscientific, unqualified people who wouldn't be able to conduct themselves similarly in any other field, where the scientific method and standard investigative procedures are applied. It's all part of what I refer to as the UFOCI, the UFO Community and…Industry. This is a BIG business for vast numbers of people and it's been conducted as such…at great, great cost to humankind.

I didn't load this response up with links to the voluminous amount of substantiated evidence, prophetic scientific information, etc., since the purpose was to address the unsubstantiated claims of a nasty, stubbornly deceitful wannabe who thought he could get away with his dishonest attacks. All of the other nonsense by the various "experts" on this forum - who have ZERO verifiable expertise in ANYTHING - have long been refuted, which anyone can determine by doing just a little bit of research. And that includes the claims by pseudo-scientist Stuart Robbins, another…rabbit running from the truth.

I will add that we are now in the long foretold and forewarned times that Billy Meier has written about, since 1951. For those who've been paying attention, who've been noticing, things are…changing. And not for the better. The very specific things Meier and the Plejaren warned about - for decades - are now upon us and can no longer be prevented.

As they continue to unfold, all of the useless gibberish from the know-nothing defamers and self-styled "UFO experts" will not only be irrelevant but a painful testament to the utterly inane, short-sighted, superficial, greedy, life-wasting, squandered opportunity to benefit from the great gifts freely given to us by an actual advanced, space traveling extraterrestrial human race and their contactee Billy Meier, who happens to be the only authentic contactee and the prophet for the New Time. These are simply statements of facts, not of exclusivity, nor for the sake of celebrity, personal gain, etc., as will become inescapably obvious in the coming time.

Circus clowns like John Razimus simply epitomizes the shallow, completely dishonest, incompetent, self-deluded, insignificant and unaccomplished human beings who trivialize life itself and try to tear down those who would bring the truth to humankind.

If anyone here is sincerely interested in the Meier case, and has questions for which they haven't found the answers (start by searching www.theyfly.com and www.theyflyblog.com), I'll try to provide them or show you where they can be found.

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International Internet: 

Achieve Radio
Allan Holender's ZenBiz Radio
Badlands
Be Reasonable
Betsey Lewis Show
BUFO
CA MUFON Radio
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Conscious Media Network
Dark Matter
Dr. Gianni Hayes Show
Exploring Unexplained Phenomena
Far Out Radio
Frank Whelan Show
FreemanTV
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Home Tree Radio
I Sci-Fi
It's Rainmaking Time
Jeff Rense Program
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Kevin Smith Show
Lou Gentile
Joe McNeil Show
Magick Mind
Meria Heller Show
Mike Siegel Show
Moore Talk
Mysteries of the Mind
Nexus Radio
Night Fright
Nocturnal Frequency
Now That's Weird
Ohio UFO Radio
Orbit Radio
Out There TV
Pair A Normal Guys
Paradigm Unhinged
Para-Nexus Radio
Planet X Live
RBN Live
Red-Ice Radio
Redneck Radioman
Sared Matrrix
Sarah Simmons Show
Spirit of Film
Stardust Radio Network
Stirring the Cauldron
The Bev Collins Show
The Black Vault
The Conspiracy Show
The Headroom
The Hillary Raimo Show
The Kevin Cook Show
The Mancow Show
The Parent's Hour
The Rob Simone Show
The Thom Hartmann Show
The Tommy Mischke Show
The Paracast
The Parafactor
Third Phase of the Moon
The What Cast
Through the Keyhole
Topic: UFO
Unkown Origins
Unraveling the Secret
World Of The Unexplained
X-Squared Radio
Xtract
X Zone Radio
Zephnet


Here is just a sample of what the media is saying about Michael Horn:

Even nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host Michael Medved had to admit “… Look, I’m intrigued by this because, again, some seemingly very bright people seem to believe this. Michael, I appreciate your spirit of openness and sharing all of this with us and your willingness to bring us all up to date on the Billy Meier controversy involving flying saucers and extraterrestrials.”
- Michael Medved - National talk radio host

"I enjoyed visiting with you on the air very much and the audience enjoyed it as well judging by the amount of positive e-mail. We should do this again some time and I look forward to meeting you in person out there where the weather is so much nicer!"
- John B. Wells - Coast to Coast AM

"Thanks very much! Our audience loves this topic."
- Alan Colmes Show - Fox News


“Michael Horn has appeared on Kevin Smith Show several times, and he is always a fascinating guest with a powerful command of his information.  He does not demand that others believe his information, but very politely presses them to know his information and investigate it.  One thing he does that makes his appearances stand out is that he provides a lot of corroborating evidence from other sources.  It is always a pleasure to have Michael Horn on the Kevin Smith Show.” 
-  Kevin Smith, Host – Kevin Smith Show

“… And that is without a doubt the best show that I think I’ve ever done on the Meier case. Actually, I didn’t do it, I just hosted it. Michael Horn did it so he goes down as the best spokesman for Meier that I’ve ever had on.”
- Art Bell - Coast to Coast AM (after interviewing Michael for four hours)
500+ Radio Stations 5 million + Listeners - the largest late night talk show in the world

"You're a fantastic guest!"
- Ian Punnett - Coast to Coast AM (after interviewing Michael for three hours)

And, typical of the effect that Michael is making nationwide, mainstream talk radio host Karen Grant summed it up perfectly “Michael is a phenomenal guest. Whether you are a skeptic or not, he brings information that is fascinating and keeps the audience glued to their radios. The responses I receive after he has been on my show have been overwhelming. The one guest you want to have when it comes to the Meier case and contacts in general.”
- Karen Grant - National talk radio host

"Michael Horn, always a fascinating guest when he appears on Coast to Coast."
- George Noory - Talk radio host

"Thanks again for doing my show a few weeks ago. I rarely get email from listeners but I did get a few that really enjoyed hearing you and wanted your website info."
- Arielle Ford - Talk radio host, leading publicist

Regarding Michael's presentation of the scientific proof for the Billy Meier UFO contacts, and the prophetic material (documented and published by Billy Meier in 1975, 1987 and 1995) that specifically gave advance warning of the destruction of the WTC, the upcoming attacks by the USA and the president, and other events unfolding right now...legendary, conservative talk show host Barry Farber said:

"... I didn't dream I could ever enjoy a discussion of this nature, but Michael, you amaze me. It's supremely enjoyable...If you can prove one of them...then you're gonna change the world. I'm sitting here as a fascinated listener and talk host having a good hour. But if you can prove that anything [like that] came down...then I'm telling you pal, you're wasting time on the Barry Farber Show. You can change the world... It was a delight! You handle skepticism well and kept things going briskly. I've already put your material in the "volcano" file" meaning hot guests who are welcome repeatedly on the show."
- Barry Farber - Talk radio host

"You were great! You are very articulate and knowledgeable. I thoroughly enjoyed our chat and I hope you did, too. Would you like to come back on in the future? I appreciate you coming on and you were such a gentleman and very charitable about the questions. Thank you so much."
- Gianni De Vincent Hayes - Christian talk radio host
























Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2015, 04:07:39 PM »
Meier's full of shit, but I'm getting paid. I exploit an old fraud's hoaxes (whos been called out numerous times)  to make money.
fixed it for ya bud..

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2015, 04:16:30 PM »
Since it's likely that more pathetic losers of this ilk will respond similarly, too cowardly to post their real names - and non-existent accomplishments - I'll simply state that ALL of my representation of the Meier case is done voluntarily, as in for FREE and that all films, travel, interviews, articles, etc., are likewise done at my own expense.

Sure, it's no one's business but lazy slugs who live their lives online with phony identities may actually benefit from knowing that there are some things in life worth standing up for, as oneself, at one's own expense, etc.

If I don't respond to to similar garbage comments its because they're not worthy of my time (this one wasn't either but it was the expected opportunity to say the preceding).

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2015, 04:18:34 PM »
fraud. I see you took Mike Bara's class on how to reply to critics. Hurl insults! No, YOU'RE a loser! hah. /yawn

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2015, 04:42:19 PM »
Feel free to read folks. Interesting and hilarious.  http://www.ufowatchdog.com/michael_horn.htm
I just hope to god that when Art comes back, he skips this fool.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2015, 04:46:04 PM »
I kinda take that old ufowatchdog.com site with a grain of salt since they also list Art Bell in their "Hall of Shame" :o
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/art_bell.htm

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2015, 04:51:10 PM »
heh http://www.ufowatchdog.com/george_noory.htm
Meiers has been debunked so many times, I don't know whether to feel embarrassed or laugh uncontrollably when this Micheal Horn dude pops up. I usually do both.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2015, 05:05:25 PM »
Serious question from an anonymous coward.

Who cares?

When ET's present themselves to those other than recluses, perhaps there would be some believability.

I know it is important in your belief system to avoid skepticism. However anyone with a rational mind would doubt your credibility and your story.


Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2015, 05:14:08 PM »
I was asked by Michael Vandeven to respond to comments on this forum, which date back several years, and so I will take this opportunity to address the most current one.

First, with the exception of John Razimus, I see that there are no real people posting here, i.e. just a bunch of screen names where one would expect to see real, given names…if the people were honest, courageous enough to be themselves and of course actually...knowledgeable. (One commentor noted that Meier's name was spelled wrong by the rest of the "experts" here.) As someone who's been publicly presenting this material for almost 30 years, I've never been confronted or debated by anyone with these names, in fact with the exception of a couple of misguided and easily defeated radio hosts, no one has ever publicly debated me on the facts in the case…despite my willingness to do so.

In the pretend world of the online armchair experts, who have nothing better to do than display their ignorance and ineptitude, it's become acceptable not only to remain anonymous but to defame people one has never met, knows nothing about and whose character and accomplishments they can in no way ever hope to equal.

The "UFO experts" have succeeded in trivializing the topic to tabloid status…playing right into the hands of the disseminators of the disinformation in the first place, i.e. the intelligence, military, political, financial and religious interests. It's beyond ironic how all these geniuses have willingly spread falsehoods, lies, idiocy, etc. - while thinking they were doing exactly the opposite. BTW, if anyone's concerned about slander, etc., just read the comments above directed at Meier and me.

In the most current post here by John Razimus he repeats the same untrue, inaccurate, inane and unsubstantiated defamatory comments that he's made in his videos and Twitter account. In addressing these, many of the other equally ridiculous claims and attacks from the older comments may well be answered. Let's take them in order:

1. "The guy claims anyone who doesn't worship Billy Meier as the messiah of mankind is a coward, etc. etc."

MH: All that's necessary here is for Razimus to quote where I EVER said that. The truth is that I call him a coward because he has posted the defamatory attacks and run from being confronted by me in a live, broadcast debate on his factual accuracy. Of course I expect him to continue to do so. He's like the little bully who creeps up behind a kid, hits him in the back and then runs and hides behind his mother's skirts when he's about to get totally punched out.

2. "I really feel sorry for the UFO cult members suckered into the Meier trap."

MH: What "cult" is he talking about? I won't waste a lot of time with this here but it really helps to know what constitutes a cult and to be able to show that there actually is one in this case. My personal experience - over 36 years and 15 trips to Switzerland - has never revealed any kind of cult. Razimus' trips are solely inside his empty head.

3. "I did what many have done, made some obvious observations that one of Meier's flying saucer toys was made from a garbage can lid which is undeniable…"

MH: Razimus is not only incorrect, relying on thoroughly discredited information - Phil Langdon who promoted that theory failed also failed to show up for a debate he challenged me to on the William Piper show - he's failing to acknowledge that he was given links to the recent independent expert analysis of the WCUFO and to information showing how anyone, even a child, can prove the authenticity of the WCUFO themselves. His only response was to attempt to attack the credibility of the analysis but he failed to understand that the protocols were included so that anyone could duplicate the testing themselves, in accordance with the scientific method…something Razimus doesn't have even a nodding acquaintance with.

4. "Michael Horn wanted to debate me on Art Bell's new show but Art doesn't seem to want anything to do with it…"

MH: This is simply another lie. It was Razimus who tried to make a debate with him contingent upon Art Bell's hosting it, when Bell had nothing to do with it. Here is one of a number of his Tweets to that effect:

"Jun 19, .@Michael812 Have you emailed Art Bell @ArtBell51 like I have? Email Art to prove you have the stomach to debate me #billymeierdebate #ufo"

He also mentions his emailing Art Bell here: http://hoaxhunter.blogspot.com/2015/06/john-razimus-is-ready-to-debate-michael.html

It should be obvious to anyone that Razimus is a cowardly, immature, inept attention seeker who doesn't have the faintest clue as to what he's talking about, which is pretty much the standard in this field anyway. And, for those who care about such things, he's a blatant liar who's accusing good, honest people of lying.

The whole UFO topic is dealt with as simply high entertainment by most people, especially online, etc. It's a refuge for the most unscientific, unqualified people who wouldn't be able to conduct themselves similarly in any other field, where the scientific method and standard investigative procedures are applied. It's all part of what I refer to as the UFOCI, the UFO Community and…Industry. This is a BIG business for vast numbers of people and it's been conducted as such…at great, great cost to humankind.

I didn't load this response up with links to the voluminous amount of substantiated evidence, prophetic scientific information, etc., since the purpose was to address the unsubstantiated claims of a nasty, stubbornly deceitful wannabe who thought he could get away with his dishonest attacks. All of the other nonsense by the various "experts" on this forum - who have ZERO verifiable expertise in ANYTHING - have long been refuted, which anyone can determine by doing just a little bit of research. And that includes the claims by pseudo-scientist Stuart Robbins, another…rabbit running from the truth.

I will add that we are now in the long foretold and forewarned times that Billy Meier has written about, since 1951. For those who've been paying attention, who've been noticing, things are…changing. And not for the better. The very specific things Meier and the Plejaren warned about - for decades - are now upon us and can no longer be prevented.

As they continue to unfold, all of the useless gibberish from the know-nothing defamers and self-styled "UFO experts" will not only be irrelevant but a painful testament to the utterly inane, short-sighted, superficial, greedy, life-wasting, squandered opportunity to benefit from the great gifts freely given to us by an actual advanced, space traveling extraterrestrial human race and their contactee Billy Meier, who happens to be the only authentic contactee and the prophet for the New Time. These are simply statements of facts, not of exclusivity, nor for the sake of celebrity, personal gain, etc., as will become inescapably obvious in the coming time.

Circus clowns like John Razimus simply epitomizes the shallow, completely dishonest, incompetent, self-deluded, insignificant and unaccomplished human beings who trivialize life itself and try to tear down those who would bring the truth to humankind.

If anyone here is sincerely interested in the Meier case, and has questions for which they haven't found the answers (start by searching www.theyfly.com and www.theyflyblog.com), I'll try to provide them or show you where they can be found.

Michael Horn
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
www.theyfly.com

  Writer/Producer/Director
  And Did They Listen?
     
  Writer/Producer/Director
  as the time fulfills
   
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  The Silent Revolution of Truth

  Michael Horn & Davida Horn
  Co-Producers/Co-Directors
  Breaking the Silence

  The Blog!

  The Adventures of Billy Meier

"But, to reflect on the statement that's in the film, I also remember seeing a shot on the Super8 reel that showed a UFO circling around a fairly tall tree. According to that shot, we said that we can't conclusively say whether it's real or not, but it seemed impossible to stage that kind of a shot with a miniature (it would have to be hanging on a very tall crane, with wires - but even then the movements would be hard to achieve.) So, yes, in regards to that shot, we mentioned that we could definitely do it today with CG, but at the time these were supposedly shot - it would have been very hard, probably even impossible, to fake this kind of shot."

Volker Engel, Marc Weigert - Uncharted Territory
Academy Award-winners, Special Effects for "Independence Day"


Recent Presentations by Michael Horn:

International UFO Congress, Hong Kong

Sedona MUFON, Arizona

Bay Area UFO Conference, Santa Clara, CA

Space Cities, Mountain View,CA

Campos do Jordao, Brazil

Texas Station Hotel, Las Vegas

Barnes & Noble, Flagstaff

Flagstaff Southside Center, Arizona

ASPE Conference, New Mexico

Metropole Hilton, London

Ontario Science Center, Canada

Meta Center, New York City

University of Alberta, Canada

University of Calgary, Canada

University of, Victoria, B.C.

Biltmore Hotel, Los Angeles

NEXUS Conference, Amsterdam


NEXUS Conference, Australia

Art Institute of Los Angeles

Dolphins and ET Civilizations, Hawaii

Bodhi Tree Bookstore, Los Angeles

First Friends Fellowship Hall, Los Angeles

Conscious Living Expo, Los Angeles

National UFO Conference, Hollywood

IUFOC, Laughlin

Night Search World Forum, Memphis

AUFORN, Australia

New Life Expo, San Francisco



Recent Media Appearances:

ABC News Talk Channel
ALL STAR RADIO National
CNN International
COAST TO COAST AM International
CONSCIOUS MEDIA NETWORK National
FOX Radio Alan Colmes Show National
CRN National
G4TECHTV National
JOURNEY INTO THE VOID San Diego
KEVIN SMITH SHOW International
PLANET X RADIO, UK
RADIO AMERICA National
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WTOP D.C.
WLRQ Florida
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KYW Philadelphia
WURD Philadelphia
WMKX Philadelphia
KMOX St. Louis
KKUP San Francisco
KPRI San Diego
KIRO Seattle
KTKT Tucson
WFAD Vermont
KGAB Wyoming
WDLB Wisconsin

International Internet: 

Achieve Radio
Allan Holender's ZenBiz Radio
Badlands
Be Reasonable
Betsey Lewis Show
BUFO
CA MUFON Radio
Cattell's Stardate
Conscious Media Network
Dark Matter
Dr. Gianni Hayes Show
Exploring Unexplained Phenomena
Far Out Radio
Frank Whelan Show
FreemanTV
Higher Love
Home Tree Radio
I Sci-Fi
It's Rainmaking Time
Jeff Rense Program
Karma Air Radio
Kevin Smith Show
Lou Gentile
Joe McNeil Show
Magick Mind
Meria Heller Show
Mike Siegel Show
Moore Talk
Mysteries of the Mind
Nexus Radio
Night Fright
Nocturnal Frequency
Now That's Weird
Ohio UFO Radio
Orbit Radio
Out There TV
Pair A Normal Guys
Paradigm Unhinged
Para-Nexus Radio
Planet X Live
RBN Live
Red-Ice Radio
Redneck Radioman
Sared Matrrix
Sarah Simmons Show
Spirit of Film
Stardust Radio Network
Stirring the Cauldron
The Bev Collins Show
The Black Vault
The Conspiracy Show
The Headroom
The Hillary Raimo Show
The Kevin Cook Show
The Mancow Show
The Parent's Hour
The Rob Simone Show
The Thom Hartmann Show
The Tommy Mischke Show
The Paracast
The Parafactor
Third Phase of the Moon
The What Cast
Through the Keyhole
Topic: UFO
Unkown Origins
Unraveling the Secret
World Of The Unexplained
X-Squared Radio
Xtract
X Zone Radio
Zephnet


Here is just a sample of what the media is saying about Michael Horn:

Even nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host Michael Medved had to admit “… Look, I’m intrigued by this because, again, some seemingly very bright people seem to believe this. Michael, I appreciate your spirit of openness and sharing all of this with us and your willingness to bring us all up to date on the Billy Meier controversy involving flying saucers and extraterrestrials.”
- Michael Medved - National talk radio host

"I enjoyed visiting with you on the air very much and the audience enjoyed it as well judging by the amount of positive e-mail. We should do this again some time and I look forward to meeting you in person out there where the weather is so much nicer!"
- John B. Wells - Coast to Coast AM

"Thanks very much! Our audience loves this topic."
- Alan Colmes Show - Fox News


“Michael Horn has appeared on Kevin Smith Show several times, and he is always a fascinating guest with a powerful command of his information.  He does not demand that others believe his information, but very politely presses them to know his information and investigate it.  One thing he does that makes his appearances stand out is that he provides a lot of corroborating evidence from other sources.  It is always a pleasure to have Michael Horn on the Kevin Smith Show.” 
-  Kevin Smith, Host – Kevin Smith Show

“… And that is without a doubt the best show that I think I’ve ever done on the Meier case. Actually, I didn’t do it, I just hosted it. Michael Horn did it so he goes down as the best spokesman for Meier that I’ve ever had on.”
- Art Bell - Coast to Coast AM (after interviewing Michael for four hours)
500+ Radio Stations 5 million + Listeners - the largest late night talk show in the world

"You're a fantastic guest!"
- Ian Punnett - Coast to Coast AM (after interviewing Michael for three hours)

And, typical of the effect that Michael is making nationwide, mainstream talk radio host Karen Grant summed it up perfectly “Michael is a phenomenal guest. Whether you are a skeptic or not, he brings information that is fascinating and keeps the audience glued to their radios. The responses I receive after he has been on my show have been overwhelming. The one guest you want to have when it comes to the Meier case and contacts in general.”
- Karen Grant - National talk radio host

"Michael Horn, always a fascinating guest when he appears on Coast to Coast."
- George Noory - Talk radio host

"Thanks again for doing my show a few weeks ago. I rarely get email from listeners but I did get a few that really enjoyed hearing you and wanted your website info."
- Arielle Ford - Talk radio host, leading publicist

Regarding Michael's presentation of the scientific proof for the Billy Meier UFO contacts, and the prophetic material (documented and published by Billy Meier in 1975, 1987 and 1995) that specifically gave advance warning of the destruction of the WTC, the upcoming attacks by the USA and the president, and other events unfolding right now...legendary, conservative talk show host Barry Farber said:

"... I didn't dream I could ever enjoy a discussion of this nature, but Michael, you amaze me. It's supremely enjoyable...If you can prove one of them...then you're gonna change the world. I'm sitting here as a fascinated listener and talk host having a good hour. But if you can prove that anything [like that] came down...then I'm telling you pal, you're wasting time on the Barry Farber Show. You can change the world... It was a delight! You handle skepticism well and kept things going briskly. I've already put your material in the "volcano" file" meaning hot guests who are welcome repeatedly on the show."
- Barry Farber - Talk radio host

"You were great! You are very articulate and knowledgeable. I thoroughly enjoyed our chat and I hope you did, too. Would you like to come back on in the future? I appreciate you coming on and you were such a gentleman and very charitable about the questions. Thank you so much."
- Gianni De Vincent Hayes - Christian talk radio host
Long post Holmes. Nice!
One question, is this Billy dude related to Oscar Mayer?

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2015, 06:20:11 PM »
Long post Holmes. Nice!
One question, is this Billy dude related to Oscar Mayer?

no. billy meier is just insane. oscar was a brilliant man who sold leftover meat byproducts as a "sausage in a bun" and the cold version bologna

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2015, 07:17:05 PM »
He's 100 % bunk in my opinion

http://www.billymeierufocase.com/dinosaurphotodeconstruction.html

The fact that anyone can take him seriously shows just how gullible some 'Ufologists' are.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2015, 07:53:21 PM »
He's 100 % bunk in my opinion

http://www.billymeierufocase.com/dinosaurphotodeconstruction.html

The fact that anyone can take him seriously shows just how gullible some 'Ufologists' are.
Michael Horn knows the story is bs, but he is too lazy to make up his own ufo story, so he piggybacks off Meier.
The way I figure it, Meier got bored one day, so he decided to make a ufo picture. The rubes he knows were too stupid to realize it was fake, so billy rolled with it.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2015, 04:11:24 AM »
One way to spot a liar or fraud is to note that if they can't address arguments or criticisms logically, they will jump out of the gate attempting to assassinate the character of anyone who questions them.  Another way is that they will try to validate themselves by detailing how many followers they have and how many presentations they've made.  We've probably all seen it way too often to miss it.  I'm not saying that's what is happening here.  It was nice of the poster to come here and address this thread.  It sure is hard to miss those red flags though.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2015, 07:16:06 AM »
Billy Meier, who happens to be the only authentic contactee

Invalidating the experience of all others seems a peculiar fashion of validating one's own.

Re: Billy Meiers
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2015, 09:31:39 AM »
Invalidating the experience of all others seems a peculiar fashion of validating one's own.

Yeah, it takes a really large pair of castanets to make that claim on top of all of the other stuff Horn claims.

Re: Billy Meier
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2015, 09:45:08 AM »
There are two comments here worth replying to.

The main way to spot a liar or fraud is to notice that they have…zero evidence to back up their claims, whether pro or con. It should be mentioned that there isn't a single person here who has any verifiable experience with:

The Billy Meier case and its extensive, independently authenticated physical and informational evidence, any of the researchers, witnesses, other photographers, friends, family, associates, the known circumstances of this 73-year-long, still ongoing case, etc.

In fact, no one here has any direct knowledge of anything of extraterrestrial manufacture. Verifiable, authenticated evidence of extraterrestrial life would be the most important discovery in all of human history…exceeded only by contact with them. Yet people babble on and on as if it's an established scientific fact.

But this is an online forum where respect for the truth is no consideration and anonymity allows people to, basically, express the worst and lowest aspects of their personalities. The person who expressed concern about lying and character assassination would do well to notice the vitriol directed by those posting here towards Meier and me, two people that none of them have ever met and don't know. They would also do well to actually start researching the case since they too know nothing about it.

In regards to invalidating the experience of all others, subjective "experience" is not evidence such as can be independently and objectively evaluated. And, in case no one has noticed, nobody here - or ANYWHERE else - has put forward any evidence even remotely comparable to Meier's. In fact, nobody else has put forward ANY evidence of anything to substantiate the existence of, and contact with, extraterrestrials. And that includes ALL the liars who claim to be contactees.

Yet such claims drive the UFO industry, the (very big) business that relies on gullible people believing fantasies, who then flock to internet forums thinking they're some kind of experts on what are basically imaginary beings, experiences, etc., most of which have been concocted by…intelligence operatives, going back many, many decades:

http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash/newsflash.htm#US