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Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 09, 2013, 10:31:11 AM
Are you sure you're not Alex Jones? He's a similar wind up toy, who just goes on and on with charged up batteries.

So which part of the private information in my post do you think is the Government's business, and we should have no problem turning over to them despite not knowing what it will be used for?

'Cause I think the government is there to build and maintain roads, bridges, and parks.  It's there to maintain a police force and fire department, court system, make sure the evil capitalists don't kill us or poison our environment, maintain the economic system.  Run the military, diplomacy, control the borders.  Stuff like that. 

I know that's all boring shit, and our would-be rulers are much more interested in growing their agencies, collecting ever more cash from us, going around with their entourages visiting the folks whose votes they've bought, but that isn't really the reason why we hired them.  I get that they've become paranoid thinking there are starting to be more and more people with the goal of bringing our government back to being small and limited, and will cling to power no matter what, but what I don't get is all the people that buy into their idea of 'public service' and support all this.

Quote from: UFO Fill on June 09, 2013, 03:46:53 AM
I've been thinking about this.  We know that the Obama Administration doesn't pay a lot of attention to data gathering and intelligence information with regard to terrorism.  Just look at the Tsarnaev brothers.  So, there's an argument to be made that they are not gathering this information for "national security."

Why else would it be gathered? We know the administration is interested in politics - particularly winning the House of Representatives in 2014.  Could it be that the information is being gathered, and then news of the gathering leaked simply as a political tactic to try to smother political opposition to the administration in 2014?  Is this the Occam's razor?

They didn't need to rely on communication being flagged.  The Russians warned us directly about Tamerlan at least a couple of times.  Apparently, so did the Saudi's.  But, you know, they're Muslims and we didn't want them to feel singled out or unwelcome.





Like all these cameras that seem to be everywhere all of a sudden - spying on us - they don't seem to used for what they say they are being used for - fighting crime - so who knows. 

Soon it will be the drones up in everyone's business, collecting all sorts of data.  Our entire physical and mental health records will be held by the IRS - we really should look into who exactly thought it would be a great idea and slipped it into the bill for ObamaCare to be monitored by the IRS.  The IRS already has pretty much our complete financial information.  Now the Big Government people want us to register our guns - how would that prevent even a single gun crime?.  We have smart meters on our homes monitoring our energy use, starting soon - I think it's next year - black boxes installed on new cars will be monitoring where and when we drive.

We are right to be concerned and wonder what the purpose of gathering all this data is.  And PS, it isn't the Conservatives or TEA Party types that are pushing all this.

Quote from: NowhereInTime on June 08, 2013, 04:56:36 PM
...  So the IRS hassled your tax free exemptions.  You shouldn't get them in the first place...

So if people want to form an organization to advocate and educate on issues important to them and fund it with their own after tax dollars, those donations should be considered Revenue and taxed the same way a 'for profit' company's profits are taxed?  But only if they are considered 'right-wing, of course.  Really?  I realize that was the Administration's thought process, but I never really expected to have someone actually suggest it's proper. 

And meanwhile, the Left wing organizations' tax exempt status requests fly right through the process, and have never even come into question.

If anyone wonders why this happened and what the reasoning for it was behind closed doors, look no further.  And talk about sanctimonious - if we don't like what you have to say, we are going to attack you using the IRS, and you won't be able to form and operate your organization until long after the election is over.  And even then our flacks will suggest we were correct to treat you this way anyway. 

Quote from: NowhereInTime on June 08, 2013, 04:56:36 PM
... You are hateful, greedy, paranoid, duplicitous, and sanctimonious....

Seriously?  No one is more hateful or full of bile than a Leftist someone disagrees with.  Go down to a 'demonstration' some time if you dare get close, or watch a bit of tape of one.  It starts off with the rally, where speaker after speaker comes out angry shrieking and carrying on, getting the crowd wound up, then off they go to burn, loot, attack the police.  Yeah, it's someone else that's full of hate.

Sanctimonious?   That one is interesting.  The reason the Left and their deluded followers act the way they do is because they've been assured they are always right, and everyone else is evil.  So they have a right - no, an obligation - to act out verbally or violently any way they want.  If that isn't sanctimonious and well beyond, what would be?


Greedy?  Where do the Big Government folks that demand ever more of our money - money that we've worked hard for, but they (and apparently you) seem to think they are entitled to - to expand their little unaccountable empires, buy votes, or simply waste most of it, fall on the Greed Scale?

Duplicitous?  The Left are the ones always lying about their polices and agenda - they know what happens when people find out what they really want.  Their so-called 'scandals' are really just people finding out about some of the back room policies - they aren't 'mistakes' or honest attempts at something that ultimately went the wrong way.  The Conservatives, TEA Party types, Libertarians are pretty clear about telling people their positions on issues - they don't have 'scandals' like this which are really people just finding out what their true policies are.

Paranoid?  Nope, the American people now know much better who the enemy is and what they are up to.  Chalk one up to Obama for that one.


By the way, the Obama scandals are resonating.  They just aren't resonating with the low information voter and flacks that support Obama and the Left no matter what.

Quote from: Sardondi on June 08, 2013, 02:24:32 PM
And they always see themselves being "the deciders" for you and me in whatever new governo-centric plan from hell they propose. Because they're not just different; they're better.

It's funny,  a lot of the cool hip 'creatives' live here in San Francisco but work down in Silicon Valley.  Instead of public transportation, they have their own private 'Google Busses' to ferry them there and back every day.  Fair enough, except these private busses park in the areas reserved for the regular muni buses, or sit idling on streets tossing out noxious fumes all morning in various neighborhoods.

These people - mostly young and maybe not all that mature or socially adept, are seen as rude, tactless, superior, having been bestowed with more wealth than maybe they've truly earned - living in SF for the good stuff like restaurants and culture, but detached and above everything and everyone else.   

I don't actually live in the city, so I don't really know, but it's interesting watching this small sideshow play out.  I think a couple of the real issues are envy and the perception that these people don't support more taxes for public transportation or traditional SF causes like the 'homeless'.

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 08, 2013, 11:42:26 AM
...  (Except for those weirdos, like me, who choose not to have a cell phone.)...

Same here!  I knew there had to be someone else out there.  I must confess I've been thinking of getting one.  Maybe one that does everything except handle phone calls.

On the other hand, I lived most of my life without the internet, now I can't imagine it not being there.  It's a real crisis around here if it goes out on me.

Quote from: Sardondi on June 08, 2013, 09:05:48 AM
...  Because, that's, you know, "different"...

Well, it is different.  They and others like them are the 'creatives', doncha know.

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Quote from: BattyBrooke on June 07, 2013, 06:06:09 PM
...  it is painfully clear he is only on Coast for a paycheck. Period.

Yes, having to be on the air late in the evening certainly cuts into all that dating George does. 

Perhaps he'd be more enthusiastic if they paid him daily instead of every 2 weeks.

Quote from: BattyBrooke on June 07, 2013, 06:14:09 PM
... when Tommy started actually speaking on the show as Noory's sidekick! ...

Tommy uses that fake sunny chirpy voice - 'hi George!' - he sounds like he's about 8.

Quote from: Histronic Fop on June 07, 2013, 06:19:30 AM
That's a great question, Gay.

Noory certainly is a nasty/nice personality and has probably alienated more than a few guests with his penchant for asking the same three same questions over and over again in a single segment. Any self-respecting C2C guest, and I suppose there have been one or two, who survived Noory never wants to come back, no matter what small spike it gives their e-book on Amazon.

How many times would a guest come back after being summarily dumped during a break?  Could we assume some potential guests would do some research on their own and decide not to go on George's show in the first place?  Does word of his suckage get around?

Do book sales even spike anymore for a guest?

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 07, 2013, 11:38:15 AM
... But most of the liberals I speak to are pretty pissed off...

The thing is, the Left doesn't give a hoot about equality or the environment or human rights or helping the poor or gay rights or women's rights or minorities or 'peace' or civil liberties or unions or freedom of expression or any of the rest of it.  They just claim to be to get the people that are to vote for them - enough to hopefully cobble together a majority coalition.  And as weapons to use as wedge issues.  While they are at it, they propose policies that sound good and have nice titles but are actually destructive.  Look no further than our inner cities or the massive debt and tax load.  . 

They try to blend in with the Libs, and a lot of people don't know the difference and end up following them along.

Look at the places where the Left has achieved full permanent power - Cuba, China, the old USSR and Warsaw Pact nations, North Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam.   How have gays been treated there?  Minorities?  The environment?  Human rights?  Civil rights?  Unions?  Free speech?   Any of what the Left in our country tells us is their agenda.    Ask Lech Walesa about unions.  How peaceful are/were they with their neighbors or on the world stage?  How do they treat their own people - from the Cossacks to the Tibetans?  Yet they talk constantly about 'peace'.  The Occupy thugs are always telling us how peaceful they are.  Including right before and right after tearing up a park or firebombing a downtown, fighting the police.

They are lying.  Obama is lying.  That whole crowd is lying.  Of course the people that thought Obama was going to come in and do all the things they thought he would were wrong.  He lied about it.  That's what the Hard Left does.  An enemy within.  Other than armed revolution they can't achieve power any other way.

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 07, 2013, 11:38:15 AM
... To me, it demonstrates the point that in some ways, the distinction between Democrat and Republican is paper-thin.  They both make deals; they both have agendas; they both make sure that they benefit first.

Orwell called in correctly in Animal Farm:  All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

Bush is just another Big Government Globalist.  The entire Republican leadership in DC is.  That's why they are getting 'primaryed'.  On many (most?) issues the 2 parties actually boil down to the people inside the Beltway vs. the rest of us.

In China every 10 years they have a change of power.  They had their most recent Party Congress late last year, with the new leadership taking over this March.  Obviously the new leader (Xi Jin Ping - President, Party Chairman, Head of the Military) wants to make a good first impression on the world stage.  He is making his rounds.

He is set to meet with Obama in California this week.  Anytime the US meets with the head of China it's a pretty big deal.  They hold a ton of our debt, they are one of our largest trading partners, they are competing with us militarily in the Western Pacific, and economically all over the world.  We share some concerns and have opposing views on others.  This meeting is going to set the tone in US/China relations for years to come.  Obama has handled foreign policy regarding China very poorly to date (hell, he's handled ALL foreign policy poorly to date, and that's saying it nicely).  Personal relations in business and politics are even more important to the Chinese than to, say, the Europeans or others we deal with.

This new President has a young attractive wife - Peng Liyuan - who has shown herself to be a great asset thus far.  She was a star in her own right, as a pop singer or something.  She's been very well received since becoming China's first lady and they are proud of her.  Similar to Mrs Raisa Gorbachev back in the Reagan era.

Enter the human wrecking ball and his wife.  So it's decided that Mrs. Obama is 'too busy' to come with Barry out to the California summit to meet the Chinese President and be hostess to the wife.  Even to Westerners this is a huge snub - I can only imagine what the Chinese and their leadership thinks of this.

It cannot be a mistake, or be written off as another error - this is intentional.  Obama has gone out of his way to snub our two strongest allies - the UK and Israel.  Now this.  We are no longer able to just write this stuff off as incompetence. 

So the First Lady of China will stay by herself, snubbed, having 'lost face' to the US First Lady.  Michelle always makes time for the limelight, is always ready to vacation on the taxpayers dime, the taxpayers pay for her to have her mother live in the White House and take care of the kids, but she can't be there for this?  Not that snubbing the Chinese was her decision - no this just absolutely reeks of Axelrod, Jarrett, Plouffe, and Barry himself.

Quote from: UFO Fill on June 06, 2013, 01:18:23 PM
... West, you seem like a nice person, which is why, I guess, you could be fooled into thinking the politicians actually cared about black people.

One need look no further than big cities run by black Libs for the past 40 years.  They have all of it - city govt, courts, schools, police, the power to tax and regulate.   They've had time to realize their policies have failed and try other policies, but they don't.  How are things going there - education?, crime?, jobs?, poverty?, opportunity?  One thing sure, the same political machines always - always - remain in power

Quote from: Sardondi on June 06, 2013, 09:18:44 AM
...  Here's a Breibart story on how of the four major scandals now swirling about Obama, the American mainstream media broke exactly none of them. It was either British media, the agencies themselves or bloggers...

Another parallel with the Clinton administration - the seemingly daily Clinton scandals weren't ever broken by the US media either, although they did know of them first - sometimes they were sat on for months or years.  They were broken in the US by Drudge, who linked to the Canadian and European media.

Fox news and talk radio became popular for a reason, and the Libs are reduced to trying to shame anyone who watches or listens because, you know, that's all biased.

Quote from: Sardondi on June 06, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
That I've taken my daily stroll through the internet and have seen no, 0, none, zero, zilch references to the fact that today is anything else than June 6th. Just plain old June 6th. Yawn.

Now, given that Google, which memorializes every meaningless, worthless bit of anti-establishment, anti-traditionalist, socially "forward" event it can come up with, would happily devise a cute logo for the date Karl Marx had three well-formed bowel movements in a 24-hour period, it annoys the hell out of me that no one, NO ONE either at Google or anywhere on the net I routinely visit, thinks it worth a pixil to note today's date. Even though June 6th is the date upon which months of tireless work and gifts of treasure by millions of freedom-loving humans of dozens of countries from around the world culminated in the sacrifice and supreme effort of over a 150,000 Americans, British and Canadian soldiers who invaded Nazi-occupied France, assisted, transported and guarded by hundreds of thousands of Allied airmen, soldiers and sailors. And no one gave a good goddam.

I don't watch the TV news, but I've seen precious little about the events in China the first week of June 1989 either

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Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 06, 2013, 11:43:04 AM
... In baseball,...

And basketball?...

Oh, how I used to love baseball.  It's been utterly ruined.  Baseball is 1-0, 2-1, 4-2, 2 hours and 15 minutes, every run, every base, every pitch matters, the idea is for the pitcher to get the batter to hit a bad pitch on the ground or in the air early in the count.  When it's 13-5 in the bottom of the 4th and you've already been watching 5 hours... ugh... I don't know what that is but it isn't baseball.  Now no single run, hit, or batter matters and it's the most boring thing in the world.  I don't think I've made it all the way through a single game since the year they cancelled the World Series.

And the NBA?  Absolutely Unwatchable.  That's a whole other post.

The NFL?  Boring.  How many times in one lifetime am I supposed to watch the Jets play the Dolphins, Cowboys-Washington, Oakland-Chargers.  OMFG

I do watch a little - very little - college and NFL.  I like the night games on TV.  I'll watch any cycling but there isn't much of that, I think I watched 1 period of Sharks hockey this year, and about 2 quarters of the Warriors in the Playoffs...

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 06, 2013, 11:43:04 AM
... the 49ers were among the first to outspend their opponents.  Players were lining up to go play for the team:  Ken Norton, Jr. Charles Haley, Pissant Deion Sanders, etc.  (YES, the 49ers DID have a great coach and a great system, but still, I think money was a big factor....

One thing that gets overlooked with the 49ers during those years was they had 6 games a year that were absolute gimme's - 2 each against the Rams, Saints, and Falcons.  If they went 5-1 against them and just 5-5 in their other games that was 10 wins.   They had a lot of home field playoff games. 

Quote from: Jackpine Savage on June 05, 2013, 07:52:30 PM
Massive corporations and government institutions act in an anti-social manner not out of disdain, but out of detached self interest.  Social ties and genuine community act as a threat to their enrichment, thus they act in a manner to undermine these threats. Satisfied, fulfilled people are hard to market to. Perhaps this explains the animosity of the corporate and the state toward the religious, and the undermining of family ties?

Big Corporations need lots of government regulations and heavy taxes to act as a barrier to entry for small businesses and other competitors - they have the resources to avoid a lot of it or at least survive, and the smaller competitor doesn't.  In turn Big Government needs the support of the big corporations to provide campaign cash and other support.

Look at Goldman Sachs - they received more 'bailout' loot than anyone else other than Warren Buffett's empire.  They were the ones that triggered the Great Collapse of 2008 - peddling their re-wrapped trash as top-rated securities, yet the Justice Dept made a point of saying they were not even going to be investigated, let alone prosecuted.  GS has had representatives holding high office in every Administration going back as far as I can personally remember.  (And those champions of banking and economic reform - Occupy - didn't make a peep when the Holder resolution to let GS go scott-free came out, although they did make a big deal about the anniversary of their 'movement' a short time later.  So much for them).

Or look at GE.  Most years they pay zero Federal Income Tax - certainly one of the abusers in todays world of corporate tax avoiders (see Apple's recent command appearance before Congress), yet there sits the CEO as one of Obama's key economic advisors.  Not to single out Obama, every administration has cozied up to these corporations.  Under Reagan it was Bechtel, although we don't know much about their profits or taxes as they are private, but one can guess based on what others get away with.

Quote from: nooryisawesome on June 06, 2013, 01:19:38 AM
I just heard the pizza roll story!! Wtf. Try calling off your job due to eating a pizza roll see what happens.

http://xdind.com/george-noorys-pizza-roll-story/

Especially when you are just fine a couple days later and can talk for the usual 4 hours no problem

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Didn't Art sell the show and stay on as host a few more years before the Snorge took over?

If I created something, and someone was willing to pay millions for it, I'd sell it when the time came too.  Especially if I was staying with it as long as I wanted and could run it more or less the way I liked. 

Art may or may not have endorsed George, the 'George gets it' comment may or may not have been him helping out the transition.  Even if Art was given final say, the people that owned it really had final say on George

Who in the world would have guessed George Noory would pretend to be interested in the show topics then not be, or would get lazier by the day instead of working at getting better like everyone else in show business.

No, blame all of it on George Noory, his bloated staff, and the people that keep him there.

George is just after thuh troof

Quote from: Sardondi on June 05, 2013, 08:10:08 AM
I too have a small soft spot for JaMarc, if only because seeing him lets me imagine what it would be like if Shaq played football. Sort of. Except it doesn't, since Shaq is both significantly taller and a better athlete. It's also interesting to contemplate how it could be that an individual whose IQ tests somewhere around "educable mentally retarded" could also have been a student in good standing at Louisiana State University where he played football. Of course, LSU was the pride and joy of Huey "Kingfish" Long, he who so institutionalized corruption in that state that Louisiana and Baton Rouge still give Illinois and Chicago a good run for their money as being the most corrupt governments in America. (Long also is the inspiration for Willie Stark in the magisterial All The King's Men by Robert Penn Warren.) But the complexity of pro football seems to have overwhelmed Russell's physical gifts. As the NFL becomes more and more like the federal government in both complexity and imperious attitude (as well as in self-image as a stand-in for or even representative of government), I want to see the NFL administration defeated, thwarted and embarrassed. So, Go, Jamarcus...

JaMarcus is dumb, but he isn't that dumb.  Is he?  Half the people out there have under 100 IQs, nearly all the FB players seem to.  I think he was just very lazy, with the Big Star mentality coming out of college where things just came easily to him at that level.  So more like a Ralph Sampson than a Shaq.


But he seemed like a good guy otherwise, at least from a distance, and he was just a kid after all.  And I do hate the Raiders and enjoyed his time there.

Quote from: Sardondi on June 05, 2013, 08:10:08 AM
...  the complexity of pro football seems to have overwhelmed Russell's physical gifts. As the NFL becomes more and more like the federal government in both complexity and imperious attitude (as well as in self-image as a stand-in for or even representative of government), I want to see the NFL administration defeated, thwarted and embarrassed...

The fun has been drained from all pro sports, major college FB and BB too.  They even managed to wreck cycling, although I'm still watching that when it's on. no matter what.

To fix things, I would suggest they limit ticket prices, salaries, number of coaches allowed, and interviews.  Especially interviews - the closer we get to most of these athletes. the worse off we all are.  What was wrong with the sports writers going to the games and reporting on that, maybe one player would have a post game show and that was about all we'd ever hear from them. 

I think it would be very healthy for our society if one or more of these leagues failed.  I vote for the NBA or MLB.  (Hollywood could use a collapse as well, but that's for another post).

None of this will happen though, there seems to be no limit from what we fans will take. 

Quote from: Morgus on June 05, 2013, 01:13:41 AM
As expected Noory's guest just buttered him up about his birthday and you could hear Noory gushing, thats exactly what he planned for tonight with all his dropping hints about his birthday for the past week...

How dumb is George Noory to not realize that no one - no one - other than him and maybe his mother give a hoot about his birthday.  Except maybe to make fun of him by pretending to go along.  The way he acts, the stuff he says, he has to be and has to have been almost completely isolated for decades.

The Chicago Bears are giving JaMarcus Russell a tryout.   I have a soft spot in my heart for JaWalrus - he single-handedly ensured the Oakland Raiders would suck through Al Davis' last years, he was instrumental in ending the NFL coaching career of that little shit Lane Kiffin, personally drained the Raiders bank account, damaged Raider ticket sales - perhaps permanently, and the Raiders have not to this day recovered from the whole Russell era.

Let's hope he does well enough to get more tryouts even if this one doesn't work out. 

Quote from: analog kid on May 30, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
Someone here made a good point about politics being where the ratings are in radio, and that the Art Bell style show of old wouldn't be marketable anymore. I like the odd, fun topics myself, and if one of these types of talk shows or podcasts get political, I won't listen to it again. I'll only listen to Coast if Knapp is hosting. He gets it, and I'd bet he can't stand what the show has become either.

They would have said the same thing - and probably did - about C2C when Art Bell was turning it into a paranormal show.

Quote from: coaster on June 04, 2013, 07:13:48 PM
... from coast's fuckbook page -" Today is the day, we celebrate your birth and being part of the party on planet earth -  so happy birthday George, your shining light brightens up our star-lit-nights !"

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That's how it works in places like PremRat.  George is treated as if he's a complete success there due to his ass-kissing, and those lower on the org chart are then expected to kiss his ass daily if not hourly. 

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 04, 2013, 02:57:31 PM
George is a colossal putz, a lazy social-buffoon who has through a great cosmic injustice found his way to the show.  He clearly thinks he is sharper than all of his guests and listeners; he seems to think he's some swarthy love-god, too.  Gack.

That's awesome, worthy of a PhD in Snoorology