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Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: December 07, 2017, 02:59:27 AM »
Joorch perfectly skewered by Bob Berman last night. You knew it was coming, of course, and we didn't have to wait long.

'This is what I don't get, Bob. I have talked to physicists. You can count them on your toes and your fingers [so a maximum of ten then, Joorch, if we allow thumbs to be included?]. So many. I do not understand when they talk about The Big Bang, or how the universe started thirteen-and-a-half, fourteen billion years ago, I don't get what was before that. I don't get it.'

Berman responded that this was a question a student would occasionally ask when he was teaching - which brought Noory's reasoning down to an appropriate age and intellectual level, I thought. In essence, Berman gave the obvious answer that so far we have no answer to the question of what preceded the Big Bang. The big problem, he said, is that there was no time before then. And here was the moment. He said:

'Your question is meaningless.'


This should be played on a loop throughout all Joorch's interviews.


Later, we had the return of a familiar Nooryism:

'Bob, I've made it a personal pilgrimage on this show to attempt to get legislators to listen and get something done to protect our power grid.'

I think this is the third time I've heard him talk about a 'personal pilgrimage' when he means no such thing. 'Campaign', perhaps. Once again, it is quite stunning that he can get to his age and not understand what a pilgrimage is.

I've stopped listening altogether about a week ago -- just couldn't stand Norry anymore.

I still visit the forum sometimes for the occasional laugh. Above quote is a gem -- thanks for the updates. 

I think Jorch is just semi-retarded, and i mean that in a good way, because he's clearly a high-achieving retard. But he doesn't know it himself.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: December 01, 2017, 10:36:38 PM »
Last night Norry waxed emotionally about he is always there for listeners, over the holidays, etc. "No tapes, no tapes indeed." Then he played a tape of Jim Nabors and just the other night he played a tape of that fake auto accident where some old ladies beat a driver with their purses and Bibles. A couple weeks or so ago he replayed the tape of some Edgar Allen Poe story.

That fake auto-accident tape he keeps playing is so damn obnoxious on the ears. First off it's hard to even understand the guy on the tape because of his course laughter every 3 seconds. Where Jorch and Fat Tommee scrounged it up, and why they think this is so funny is a mystery. It proves one thing though -- Norry doesn't have a sense of humor. Can you imagine him doing a stand-up act?

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 29, 2017, 07:11:29 AM »
Well, Mike, I didn't mean to avoid three of your questions.  There is just so much room for disagreement on this topic.  I try to go for whatever is funniest, most passionate or easy to support.  Maybe I didnt have strong feelings about your questions - i really dont know and this tablet is too small to see them at the moment.

For instance, some people might not respond to your concern about Wallach not being a doctor... simply because where I live, a naturopath IS a doctor, and is respected more than a doctor, especially by women.  I have known several naturopaths personally.   The whole argument about the professional label would seem retarded to me.  I was just raised differently, in a different paradigm.  Kind of like I wouldn't argue if someone said oranges are blue - it wouldnt even make sense for me to get involved in that part of a discussion because it would seem irrelevant.

From the shows I listened to, selenium was clearly the mystery mineral.  That was very meaningful to me because selenium helps lots of things.  But, like you say, it sounds like there are other things he keeps as a mystery.

The reason he lists all the nutrients is because he cares about people.  The reason he sells specialized formulas is because shoppers with that kind of money don't want to make their own formulas.  They can buy tasty, portion controlled versions right from Wallach, so it's more convenient.  Because those kind of shoppers usually are well employed, and dont have time to mess around with homemade formulations or hodge-podge assortments.  From Wallach, they can get compatible paks, without paying for redundancy.  I dont know how much you have used or shopped for vitamins, but it can be very frustrating.  Sometimes, calcium comes with magnesium and zinc, sometimes it doesnt.  Should you then subtract magnesium and zinc from your regular multi-vitamin?  Quandries like that.  Dealing with simples and compounds, trying to piece it all together without specialized equipment.  There are people who actually stuff their own gel tabs! They are sold at health food stores.

Plus, Wallach's products are easily absorbed (presumably), easy to take, and probably seasoned to taste.

It's kind of like how someone can get their cosmetics or tools in a haphazard fashion (as I do), or they can buy a big set, complete from the factory.  A complete set might provide uniform coverage, uniform strength, and be nicely packaged and easy to store.  Where, a hodge podge might be more versatile, but messier, with a variety of labels making the whole set more confusing.

Wallach works in alternative medicine.  They don't care as much about patents and proprietary stuff, like Capitalist-mentality companies.  Many alternative medicine providers are kind of anti-patent.  Or would like a more consumer friendly patent system.  If he gives away lists of nutrients, that could be why.  Alternative providers tend to be more open and educational. He doesn't rely on traditional obsfucation to make a profit.  But, he presumably wants to make a profit, so he does guard some of his knowledge.  He profits from his skill and ability to "put it altogether" for consumers because, like you said, people can overdose on vitamins, and also because some busy people just don't want to take the time to make their own portions.

Vitamins and minerals are expensive.  It would be easy for a working class person to justify paying more for expertise.  "Ah, they already cost a lot.  What's a little more for good service...". I don't know what Wallach charges, but if the add-on amount over generic vitamins is below a certain ratio, it could be easily justified.

Nutritional health takes time.  It's not like a rehular prescription.  I've heard it can take the better part of a year before curing a condition.  I took an alternative homeopathic remedy for a couple years before I finally cured the condition.  But the condition was truly cured, for over ten years.  If I had gone to a regular doctor, I'd still be shelling out for a prescription.

Jojo, really, it's fine with me that you prefer naturopathic approaches to medicine and healthcare. My argument never was against those who solely practice naturopathy or holistic medicine, or at least those who have the gumption to practice it honestly (and I'm sure you can say the same about MD's in our healthcare system; many MD's are quacks quite frankly who don't take their oath of practicing medicine seriously or justly. But then again, there are a multitude who are good MD healthcare practitioners).  I am fine with it myself actually, i do believe good nutrition is a key to staying healthy. I take 50-75mg of zinc supplements per day, among others, to support my virility/natural testosterone levels/ and prostate health as one example. But I also believe they do have their limitations. Practicing good nutrition; as good or as beneficial as it may be, however, cannot perform miracle work in terms of preventing or even reversing many diseases. There is just no evidence-based scientific study to support that premise. For example, many diseases are hereditary or genetic (which Wallach totally ignores), and practicing good nutrition by itself cannot help treat these to the point that they are "reversed" (as Wallach likes to say, instead of what I presume he'd really like to say, "cured"). 

So taking that into account, my problem is solely with Wallach; his arrogance and dishonesty about the way he goes about it. He may have some sound advice here or there, but overall he presents his "nutritional deficiency" claim as the end all, be all of what causes nearly every, if not all diseases, which is simply not true. He tells people by buying his products that they can "reverse" their ailments, some very serious ones, by partaking in his supplementation program... but only if you buy the supplements from him and his company. Supplementation cannot perform miracles. Forgive me for not quoting him for examples (i simply don't have the time right now), but anyone who's listened to 4 or 5 of his radio shows with Norry will know exactly the type of incredible claims he makes. And all of this is done, in my opinion, to either impress or scare a listener into buying his products. I just don't like people who do that sort of thing. It's unethical and extremely deceptive (and again i'm only talking about Wallach and those who preach similarly like he does).

Anyway, just another thing.. i read a post earlier where you said medical errors are 3rd leading cause of death or something like that. Then I read one of HWGA's post where he quoted Wallach as saying something like if everyone stopped seeing their doctor and instead saw an AIDS infected drug dealer on the streets, you'd be better off (because medical errors are 3rd leading cause of death" etc. Well let's put that statement into context -- if everyone who has a doctor (and just about every American has a PCP) stopped seeing their doctors and instead consulted with disease-ridden drug-dealers for their healthcare, i can very much assure you that diseased-ridden dope-dealers peddling their drugs and "advice" to Americans would be the #1 leading cause of death in America, surpassing all other causes by a wide margin. So just consider that. And again, not saying you said that, but Wallach was quoted as saying such a despicable statement that i find reprehensible if you ask me, and he said such lunacy as part of his overall deception to get people to purchase his products! What kind of person does that?!? It's not right.

Anyway, that's the way i feel. And, hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. :)

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 06:16:56 PM »
Kind of like where there were 20 Saddam Husseins.  Come to think of it wasn't their a George Noory who was arrested?

The resemblance is uncanny!

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 05:35:51 PM »
Here's a scary thought.  Maybe there's more than one Noory.

That is a scary thought. Maybe the CIA has a dozen Jorch Noory's running around.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 05:13:08 PM »
Proof norry wears a toupee:

Especially compare 2nd bottom left pic to the last pic on bottom row!

He also must spend a small fortune a year on Just for Men hair coloring products.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:40:08 PM »
That's some high dollar suckage.  Throw in his Gaiam crap, wacko conventions, Doc Wallet kickbacks, and the $11.76 profit from his books and Jorch is riding the gravy train.

LOL -- $11.76 for his "books"... sounds about right.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:37:16 PM »
There's always the LMH bumpers.  It'll be interesting to see if Jorch and Tommee back-off tonight on their not-so-subtle eye-rollers.

Lol, we'll have to see.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:35:49 PM »
And head company iHateMedia, Inc is serious in debt, hemorrhaging cash, and selling off assets. Yet they pay Norry so much for, basically, showing up? Crazy and a bit sad considering how many people work far harder jobs for far less and actually do more than simply showing up. Add his salary along with his side-gigs of "big events," whatever multilevel marketing scheme he has going with Critical Health News, and his internet "tv show" it would seem Norry is doing pretty well.

Those "side-gigs" probably push his annual salary to nearly $1 million if i had to take a guess. You're right, no telling how many kickbacks he is getting from his snake-oil partner, Vet Wallach/critical"healthnews". And who knows how much he is paid for "Beyond Bleeef" and "events" set up by Fatty Dumbheiser. And gosh, just to show up with that doofus face of his and toupee head... simply cringeworthy just thinking about it. Noory is the reason our economy ain't doing so hot.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:12:34 PM »
By the math, considering the lack of any real show prep, it would mean that George's pay when averaged out is about $800 bucks an hour to let someone babble and all he has to do is occasionally interject a index card question. His job in that sense is more far more cush than a well payed attorney or psychiatrist as he doesn't really need to think.

I think your math is accurate. Jorch is paid $500,000 a year from Premiere. That means: $2000 for 2 and 1/2 hours a night = $10,000 a week; $40,000 per month, which then come to roughly $480,000 a year -- which Premiere then rounds out to an even $500,000 for the year.

Spot on Dyna-X.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 03:58:30 PM »
Ok, that explains it. When I listen the bumpers and commercials are editted out so the "well it sure is" seems non referential. No surprise he ripped off Art. Norry bragging about how much he works is ridiculous. As is his desire to be praised for working holidays. They way he describes an holiday with his family makes it seem like a chore and something he "has to do" but "he is out of there" as quickly as possible. I think he also doesn't like being taken away from what he thinks is his Hollywood star lifestyle in LA.

Right. In his mind, doing a radio show in LA and an internet-only tv show makes him some sort of hollywood celebrity.

Hmm... given all the sexual harassment claims against Celebrities and newscasters dominating the media now, it would be a good thing for several women (well not good for the women) if they came forward accusing Jorch of sexual harassment. That would finally be a sure way to knock Norry off the air for good. Premiere Network would have no choice but to can his sorry ass. For the women at least, their humiliation and sacrifice would not be in vain.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 03:35:35 PM »
Also, why the hell did Jorch wish everyone here a happy thanksgiving last thursday when Thanksgiving is this Thursday? Did his currently deteriorating mind skip a week?

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 21, 2017, 03:29:54 PM »
Last night Norry again was bragging and self-congratulatory about him working on holidays, unlike other show hosts. He also said he invites people without families over for Thanksgiving dinner but then "he is out of there" and "his daughters clean up." It was funny though when he wished some callers 'happy Thanksgiving" and what their plans were. Callers were certainly not seeming happy about the holiday and had limited plans and no excitement.

He also did his trademark "Well it sure is with -insert guest name-" Sure is WHAT, Norry?

I think it's the deep voice-over guy when they come back from break who says "This is coast to coast am, with George Norry", then Jorch goes "it sure is...". Art bell used to do this often, but i haven't really heard norry do this until i read your post. So i guess add that to the list off things he's ripped off of Art, even if it is seemingly a little thing. THere is nothing original about Norry.

Jorch is full of crap.. he takes most friday's off to enjoy himself a nice three day weekend but still contends to the audience that he "never takes a day off". So, please Jorch, don't give me that crap about working on holidays. Plus you're job is a nightjob anyway where you're on the air for 2 and a half hours excluding commercials. Most folk are done with their turkey dinner by 10 pm. And i don't want to hear your bogus "8 hour preparatory work". Are you that slow it takes you 8 hours to come up with a dozen middle-school questions for your guests? Lets not pretend you do research either.. Fat Tommee and your other staff will have that all done for your lazy butt.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 19, 2017, 12:28:02 AM »
Okay well, peace.

Just my 2 cents, that's all. If you look at it differently then fine. Everyone's entitled to view it as they see fit.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 19, 2017, 12:05:26 AM »
When i heard this story the first time, i got the same impression as you.  Speed dating and stick 'em with the tab.  Bec he has told the story with such vehemence. But, actually he did pay the tab and wind it down.  He just didnt end on a friendly note or walk out with her.

People over-state themselves when they are emotional.  Like she overstated not wanting pets, when she was meeting a someone for the first time and "defenses" were high (let alone meeting a celebrity!).

Similarly, George's defenses were high meeting a new lady, I theorize.  So, he over-reacted, not realizing she was simply being emphatic out of stiff "defenses".

But dating is more than about pairing up.  Its about meeting people, being aquainted with them, knowing they have sisters and other female friends you might like... increasing your social circle.  After all, you might know a guy friend who hates animals too, and you could refer him to her.  That's just my opinion.  But maybe in big metro areas, the focus is simply on mating, and not socializing.

I was the victim of such a covert "speed date" once.  It was insulting, because I have more to offer than just mating.  I have friends, connections, people... and if the date had spent the time on a small date to build rapport with me, they might have found one of my friends to their liking.  But, I didn't object out loud; I just said nice to meet you, no problem.  But I didn't respect the person!  I mean, how much time is really lost on a short dinner or drink?  You have to eat anyhow, and you know the person took the time to dress...

It takes many interactions over the course of time to get to know someone.  Attractions can build just fine over time, even if they dont start fast.  Unless the goals are superficial, like body worship.  So, since it takes time to get to know someone, if a date has stringent, clear deal-breakers criteria, it might be best to screen for them while in the mode of friendship, or in the mode of starting the acquaintence... rather than go to all the trouble and expense of dressing up.  Of course, if you screen for deal breakers before asking someone out, that too can be insulting, so best to be tactful.  Like, havent most women been asked by an attentive new guy, if she has children.... before he even asks anything else!  Big no-no!  And so silly over 40!  I'da like to snap back sometimes, "If I do, they would be out of the nest, Stupid!"

Who wants to start a relationships thread?

This reminds me of a job I had once.  At an extremely busy time, a nasty waiting customer said to me, "Why don't you do something".  So I did.  I walked out the door.  So SWEET!  HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

If George said he paid for the tab like you say, then i stand corrected.  Yes, he over-reacted, an understatement according to how he tells the story if the person he was dating was friendly but just made one comment that he highly disagreed or was seemingly offended by.

I agree w/ you that dating should be more about social interactions and not just about if the 2 people involved hit it off or not on an intimate level. People expect that intimate connection to spark on the first date which is probably not the case in a lot of situations, which is most likely why dating sites don't have such a high success rate (at least i don't think, i'd have to check the stats). I think it's a difficult thing, because people have little patience these days. Dating sites pit 2 strangers (even if they do send e-mails back and forth beforehand) with each other on the very first date, as opposed to, I'll say, dating the "natural way" where people meet in group-friend type settings, or, it could be in any group setting like churches, schools, work-places etc.. where people meet on common ground and get to know each other before going on that first date.  The friendship mode or dating mode can be quickly ascertained with the latter. Or 2 people start out as friends for awhile, and then decide whether they want to date or not.

Hmm.. risky thing to do on the job,,, did anything end up happening because of your "walk-out"? lol

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 10:13:13 AM »
i did some research (quick interwebs search) to answer a question that I've had for years: why can't Burkee Water Filters ship to Iowa? The reason is Iowa has some law that any filter for human use needs to be tested by a lab of the state's choosing.

Norry got sorta creepy with tech expert when sex doll robots was brought up. Norry imagined  the robot saying "buy me a Chanel purse." Implying that sex, even between human and robot, entails some kind of financial consideration.

With Noory, of course it does. Everything with him is about money, and it wouldn't surprise me if he bought his dates extravagant gifts in the past to get in their pants.

Remember that story he keeps telling, the one where he went on a date and took her to dinner. He says his date said that she "didn't like cats or dogs", so Norry then claims he got up and left the restaurant right after she said that, leaving her with the tab. I highly doubt the truth of that story...  what kind of ass just gets up and leaves because their date says they don't like pets? It's not so uncommon either, some people don't prefer pets.. you would think she said something like "i'm into orgies" or something. If you're offended, at least finish the dinner out and then break it off.

I believe Norry says it to show how "moral and decent" he is to listeners. But, yet, he is none of those things.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:55:50 AM »
Howard Bloom mentioned being picked up by three murderers, or something. He said it 'scared the......everything..out of me.'
Joorch adds, 'The begeebies, as we would say.'
Really, Joorch? Who is we? The experience might give you the 'heebie geebies', and scare the 'bejeezus' it the 'begeebus' out of you, but I don't know anyone who says 'the begeebies.'

If you want to contribute to Thanksgiving, Gnoory, stay off the air.  And there should be an apostrophe in 'its'. 'Hope it's a good one.'

Agreed NMN, Jorch sucks. Perhaps a kindergardener who is still learning would say "begeebies" instead of "bejeezus". But so does Jorch!

Also...  Everyone knows BLoom would say "sh*t" in that situation, but "no cursing" norry throws in his own lame substitute and acts like he speaks for everyone.

I noticed that too in his post!

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:35:18 AM »
Whose responsibility is it to air disclaimers, the network or individual stations? The station I listen to airs disclaimers at least every hour, and even adds a special extra medical disclaimer when Wallach,Fuchs etc are on. Maybe contact your stations PD to express your concerns. Mention that you've heard other c2c affiliates air disclaimers and that it might be in their best interest to do so.

Normally the network should, but i see some stations air it, thanks for that clip. The station i listen to in pensicola, FL does not air any such disclaimer. I will contact them along with premier network.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:18:51 AM »
I am not on staff!  But I listen to the radio program, and I'm 99% sure George said that program is not paid. Yes, I see quid pro quo, but that doesn't mean it is contracted.  On those nights, the doctor gets some press (as do many causes on Coast), George gets to glide a couple hours, and some perceptive listeners glean a little knowledge.  But I dont think it is gainful for anyone.  To a program that airs almost 80 hours a month, what's a couple hours here or there?  Kind of like a fulltime workforce member volunteering 4 hours a week or month.  It is insubstantial compared to the number of hojrs they put in overall.  Palms are greased all over the business world and pharmaceutical world as a routine matter of course.  As long as the value doesnt exceed a certain amount, this type of social grace is part of our culture.

I read the title and much of the chapter before work today.  It seemed to be about product packaging.  I didnt see anything about radio.  BTW, I have never heard the doctor insult people who disagree with him?

I understand you have concerns, no problem.  But for about a year, HWGA seems to be inciting riots!  HWGA has more credibility lately, but typically HWGA has twisted facts.  And I'm tired of doing my own research after reading those posts, only to find that HWGA was deliberately misleading.

I think there is enough suckage to go around, without HWGA using spurious statements!

How can anyone listen to a show about conspiracies and aliens, and get upset about a little free nutritional advice!  The doctor reminds me to take my vitamin, to eat wholesome food, and to be mindful about it.  I've been around a long time, and you pick up wisdom in life.  I have been reading herbals since 1988.  And nearly everything Dr. Wallach says rings true with ms.

I do have criticisms of those shows, but more with George than with the doctor.  For instance, George for a while made a point to try to get callers' heights in addition to their weights, which is not medically sound.  Doctors prescribe supplements by weight, not by height-weight-proportions!  The doctor has been too nice to correct George.

Of course, generally height should be taken into consideration with weight, to tell if a person is obese.  But not for prescribing supplements.  Also, if a weight is very low, like close to 100lbs for a woman or 120lbs for a man, then heighti should be obtained in order to probe for anorexia or bulimia, because all the supplements in the world might not help if they are not absorbed.

There is enough suckage already, without haranging a nutritionist. If one listens carefully time after time, one can piece together a lot of the doctor's angle, without paying a cent for any product.  Sometimes he is mysterious or withholding, bdcause he has to make a living.  But, when heard over time, his recommendations gradually become quite clear, especially with the help of a little side research.

The same with Glynnis.  Her numerology might sound like hocus pocus, and she talks rapidly (probably to avoid giving away the house).  But, if one listens carefully many times over time, taking fast notes, and referring to her website, she can glimpse her entire theory without paying a cent on her website.  For those who CAN pay, great.  But for those of us who can't, she does disseminate a lot of knowledge for those who are wi!ling to apply themselves.

HWGA makes good points though, that Wallach has breath-taking claims, like he's a master healer. I've heard and read them too. It all points to him trying to sell his products more to gullible folk who will take him at his word. And, because he pays the show for air-time, he has a legitimate grief about C2C dancing around the normal disclaimers that should be aired everytime he's on. Instead, when Wallach or that pharmacist guy is on they pretend they're on the show out of their free-will and just giving their own editorial comments. However, they're on because they have paid C2C for the air time and are on to boost sales of their products to the listeners. I agree with HWGA on those points.

And, a big tell that they're paying for air-time is that normally they'd have George read a 30 second or 1 minute commercial when a break comes up, but there is none of that for Critialheatlhnews. George reads carnivora commericals all the time, but why not criticalhealthnews? Because C2C provides them with 4 hours of air-time a month as part of their commitment with their sponsor Criticalhealthnews.

You're right the height is asked, along with weight, to determine whether the person is obese or not. They factor that in when discussing certain ailments. If the person is obese and Wallach thinks it's a factor in that person's ailment, he'll tell that person to lose weight along with telling him or her to buy his "healthy heart and brain pack".

Wallach may have sound advice from time to time regarding what you should do to be more healthly -- Occasionally, to appear legitimate. But then he throws in these wild claims that destroy his credibility. When i heard for the first time I thought he was reasonable, but over time i became overly suspicious of many of his outlandish claims and did my own research. And what i found is that Wallach has indeed a sordid past, and that people should altogether not take his "advice" or "recommendations" to buy his products, and should really look into the person who's giving these recommendations about medical health.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 01:09:44 AM »
Yeah, his implication was in poor taste.  He should have said "nutritive conditions", not nutritional defect.  Copper/zinc imbalances are very common, and life goes on, so by some standards, the nutrient might not be deficient, just a different balance.  Thats just my opinion, but i feel it is just as accurate while being a heck of a lot more inclusive.

Inversion can be done through a slant table, or even headstands.  It takes pressure off the spine and temporarily increases bloodflow to the spine and affected muscles.  Gravity takes a toll; the inversion allows the sore muscles to relax free of the normal strain and bhilding into a compensating strain.  Gentle swimming also takes a load of a scoliosis patient's back !uscles, too.

Don't you think he should have said "some" as well? Perhaps you should write Wallach and correct him of his mistake.

Have you ever been held upside down? it's uncomfortable as hell. And being suspended for 10-15 minute would be torture. Again, there is no evidence to be found that "upside down" therapy has any effect on patients, other than torturing them for a quarter hour 6 times a day.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 12:37:21 AM »
Dr. Wallach knows which subtances are harmful to fetuses and nursing children.  He asks women all the time if they are nursing.

Two of the high up administrators of the FDA have publically bemoaned that the agency is a hazard to citizens because it caters to Big Pharma.  Staff there has complained they are expected to alter study results, in favor of Big Pharma

One of the high up administrators insinuated he could be murdered for speaking out.

Hard to trust an agency that outlaws marijuana, but permits THC.  They just want Big Parma to be able to patent THC methods.

2 high up administrators? in an agency of how many administrators?

stop re-directing and answer if you think it is in fact true that most, if not all disease is caused by nutritional deficiency which "Doc" wallach claims.

If no answer, then it is pointless to continue any more discussion with you on this matter.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 18, 2017, 12:26:26 AM »
Scoliolisis worsens over a lifetime in part because of gravity.  So, inversion would help.

If some people are gay because of nutritive conditions in the womb, that would explain why so many families have more than one gay child.  Same mom, same diet.

There is no evidence (that i can find) to support that inversion does anything for the patient, other than make them extremely uncomfortable. And, how would it help? Does Wallach claim the spine straigtens itself out while being hung upside down like some lab rat?

Wallach didn't say "some", he implied "all"  homosexuality by saying de facto that "homosexuality is caused by a nutritional deficiency..."

By the way, have you ever noted that quack Joel Wallach can tie just about every single condition to some "nutrient or mineral deficiency" caused in the womb? That point, correct me if I'm wrong from what I heard and recorded, is mirrored on the "Coast" program from one Ben Fuchs and one Joanne Conaway?

Ever read the labeling on products that "criticalhealthnews(dot)com" sells? What you never hear on the radio program? Take a look at the fine print. A number of products state: "This product is not to be taken by pregnant or nursing women." Huh? Which is it?

So, let's say some woman calls in that is pregnant, or maybe nursing, and is never warned that a number of products sold by that site may cause birth defects, or affect an infant adversely through breast feeding? But may be hearing these supplements, instead, will benefit an embryo or even an infant?

Excuse me, I read the labels of these products, and some state great a pregnant or nursing women should not take them. Odd how such "totally safe" supplements can cause birth defects? Not so "safe," huh? But you never hear that on the radio program. Great to set up the network, the program and all involved for bogus medical advice and perhaps for a major lawsuit. 

Hey, anything that alters your body chemistry carries risks. You never hear that on the program. Instead, you hear how these people want to become your "medical professional," yet seem to not want to take any of legal responsibility for being "under their care." And how if something is "all natural," it must be good for you. Rubbish.

The worst toxins, poisons, venoms, bacteria, viruses, diseases and plagues are "all natural." That's why we needed to create pharmaceutical drugs to save lives and advance lifespans, for reasons also attributed to things "made by nature." Petroleum oil, for example, is "all natural" and "made by nature." Does that means if we drink it, it's good for us?

The horrific "Black Plague" that killed off half of Europe centuries ago was "all natural." Does that mean we want to return to those days? I see. Do away with such drugs as penicillin from the evil "Big Pharma" and you'll be better off?  These hucksters would have fools think that, as the latter never question what that rubbish they hear the former advance as "medical truth."

Their day is coming, all, when they are called to task for trying to "dance around" wanting all the money people pay them for 'their care," yet want none of the responsibility for negligence or malpractice for any and all damages said "caretakers" may be inflicting on the gullible, ignorant or desperate suckers they prey on like the vultures they are.

All good points.

On Wallach's last program, on 11/8, he claimed homosexuality is "not a choice" and was caused by a "nutritional deficiency of the mother's womb during pregnancy."

How's that for outlandish?

I also looked up treatments for scoliosis, and none involve "hanging someone upside down on an inversion table 3-4 times a day for about 15 minutes each time." I was blown away when i heard him say that.. I can tell even George was somewhat shocked at first, but then quickly went into "whatever you say, Doc!" mode.

The main treatment, without surgery, is fitting a scoliosis patient with a special back brace to prevent further curvature of the spine.

I swear, Wallach will get into major trouble one day spewing this nonsense. And not just Wallach, but C2C as well.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 17, 2017, 11:57:55 PM »
But if i said i watched the video, that would be a false statement!  My eyes weren't even on that tab!

Maybe i just heard Wells when he was tired near the end of shows or something. I agree he has a relaxed style.

Ok i can agree with that.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 17, 2017, 03:53:46 PM »

Come on back, Gnoory.  Tell us more!

"Not too close, honey... yew'll mess up the 'stache,"

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 17, 2017, 03:40:24 PM »
Dr. Wallach, ND, is a naturopathic doctor who graduated from medical school after his educational internship period.  He is not a snake oil salesman.  He values nutritional health, and in today's age, the value of nutritional health is indisputable.  The program is aired free of charge.  Dr. Wallach does not pay for his on-air programs and he is not paid to perform them. 

The Code of Federal Regulations is for product labeling, not free speech by a doctor!

Nope. Wallach runs criticalhealthnews dot com. Therefore he's a paid sponsor. Norry says so at beginning of each program when Wallach is on. Therefore he is product labeling each time he is on.

Not only is a snake-oil salesman, he is the proverbial snake himself. Don't be dull about it. Again, your bias is blinding you to the truth!

And, the value of nutritional health in today's age has been disputed over and over again by the scientific community. Which is not to say it has absolutely no value. I'm sure nutritional supplementation does have slight benefits, but Wallach takes it to another level, claiming it can reverse most, if not all, diseases.

He is akin to a sleazy preacher who spouts that he can cure his audience through the power of Jesus... Jesus being special nutrition in Wallach's case.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 17, 2017, 10:33:06 AM »
What a motley crew. Tommee running some kind of human trafficking ring?

Lol -- That was my second choice for Tommee's look! More specifically Human sex-child trafficking ring, however i thought that might be too crude... oh well.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 17, 2017, 10:21:50 AM »
Who is paying you!
No one here is complaining about being ripped off by Doc Wallach!

User Here We Go Again has a valid point. Where are the proper disclaimers before each "news show" on the topic of "alternative health" with a guest from the paid sponsor, Criticalheatlhnews? And, Norry occasionally saying (slyly saying I might add) during the program that "we're not saying these are cures" is not a proper disclaimer at all. He says this reluctantly each time, hoping most listeners will not pick it up or be fooled into thinking they are legitimate for claiming this.

No one is complaining about being ripped off by Wallach because everyone on this thread is aware of the fraud that he is! :)

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 17, 2017, 10:17:51 AM »

"Thank yeeewww, G!  Enjoy your turkee.  We know yeeewww do!"

Fat Tommee looks like some drug lord in that pic.

Radio and Podcasts / Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« on: November 17, 2017, 09:48:36 AM »
I agree its expensive.  So are doctors. 

Maybe his advice has harmed someone, but i doubt it.  Because i cant find any stats on the percentage of U.S. deaths caused by naturopathic doctors (which Wallach says he is).  On the other hand, allopathic (regular) doctors are the third leading cause of death, and cause 10% of U.S. deaths per.  Most people dont know that naturopaths go to medical school.

Doc gives a lot of his proprietary info away, if one listens (for free) repeatedly, and takes notes.  His website gives away the "secret" mineral, which I believe is selenium (found in mustard).

Here: .  I dug them up for free.  If you like this information I found at no charge to you😃, please check out

You didn't answer the question about what's true regarding Wallach's claims. I laid out 3 general ones that you simply ignored.

There are no statistics on "naturopathic" doctors because they can't be placed in a scientific study since any person can claim to be "Holistic". In other words, there is no scientific course or graduate body for the field "Naturopahy". It is simply a hobby for those who partake in it.

My argument isn't against "naturopathic" or Holistic Doctors. If it suits you better to see them for your healthcare needs then more power to you. My argument is against "Doc" Wallach specifically and his outlandish claims and untruths he spouts to profit on the gullible, as so many in this thread have also stated for the record.

You should really take a look at: .  Here are some excerpts you will find illuminating if you really can independently think and not be blinded by your bias of the medical establishment; which I admit there are malpractice claims and bad doctors a lot of the time -- i don't deny that. But painting every MD with a broad brush is dangerous business in my view.

Here are the excerpts:

The basic danger of Wallach's theories is not that taking colloidal minerals will harm people or even that many people will be wasting their money on a product they do not need. Many of his claims are not backed up by scientific randomized control studies, but are anecdotal or fictional. The basic danger is that because he and other naturopaths exaggerate the role of minerals in good health, they may be totally ignored by the scientific community even if they happen to hit on some real connections between minerals and disease. Furthermore, there is the chance that legitimate scientific researchers may avoid this field for fear of being labeled a kook.

Wallach falsely claims that there are five cultures in the world that have average life spans of between 120 and 140 years: the Tibetans in Western China; the Hunzas in Eastern Pakistan; the Russian Georgians and the Armenians, the Abkhasians, and the Azerbaijanis. He also mentions the people of the Vilcabamba in Ecuador and those who live around Lake Titicaca in Peru and Bolivia. The secret of their longevity is "glacier milk" (water full of colloidal minerals). The basis for these claims seems to be Wallach's imagination.

The label on the "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" tape says "Learn why the average life span of an MD is only 58 years." On his tape, Dr. Wallach claims that "the average life span of an American is 75 years, but the average life span of an American doctor is only 58 years!" Maybe dead doctors don't lie, but this living one certainly does. According to Kevin Kenward of the American Medical Association: "Based on over 210,000 records of deceased physicians, our data indicate the average life-span of a physician is 70.8 years." One wonders where Dr. Wallach got his data. The only mention in his tape of data on physician deaths is in his description of a rather gruesome hobby of his: he collects obituaries of local physicians as he takes his mineral show from town to town.

On his tape, Wallach says

"...what I did was go back to school and become a physician. I finally got a license to kill (laughter), and they allowed me to use everything I had learned in veterinary school about nutrition on my human patients. And to no surprise to me, it worked. I spent 12 years up in Portland, Oregon, in general practice, and it was very fascinating."

Wallach is not a physician, but an N.D., a doctor of naturopathy. It is unlikely that most of the people in his audiences know that naturopaths aren't really physicians and that there is a big difference between an M.D. and an N.D. He also claims he did hundreds of autopsies on humans while working as a veterinarian in St. Louis. How does a veterinarian get to do human autopsies?

"...Well, again, to make a long story short, over a period of some twelve years I did 17,500 autopsies on over 454 species of animals and 3,000 human beings who lived in close proximity to the zoos, and the thing I found out was this: every animal and every human being who dies of natural causes dies of a nutritional deficiency."

If he really did do all those autopsies and then concluded that every animal or human who dies of natural causes dies because of a nutritional deficiency, then he qualifies for the Ignoble or Ignoramus Prize. To accomplish his autopsy feat, he would have to have done six autopsies a day, working 5 days a week for 12 years, taking only a 2-week vacation each year. He was allegedly performing all these autopsies in addition to his other duties and presumably while he was writing essays and books as well.

an attack on doctors and a panegyric to minerals

Wallach's "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" tape is both an attack on the medical profession and a panegyric for minerals. The attack is vicious and mostly unwarranted, which weakens his credibility about the wonders of mineral supplements. He does not come across as an objective, impersonal scientist. He delights in ridiculing "Haavaad" University and cardiologists who die young from heart attacks, many of whom went into the field because of congenital heart defects.

Wallach seems to ignore the importance of genetics in human diseases. He reverts to name-calling on several occasions, as well. Doctors, he says, routinely commit many practices that would be considered illegal in other fields. At one point he claims that the average M.D. makes over $200,000 a year in kickbacks. This ludicrous claim didn't even get a peep of skeptical bewilderment from his audience. [The tape is of a live recording of one of his shows.] He sounds like a bitter, rejected oddball who is getting even with the medical profession for ignoring him and his "research," much of which consists of studies on such things as "hair analysis," a common mark of the quack. His bitterness toward science-based medicine makes Wallach attractive to those with an axe to grind against the medical profession.


You are wrong about Selenium being the "secret" mineral Wallach talks about. Even Noory on his programs with him sometimes says to listeners that "Wallach will not give away the mineral" when discussing certain ailments the the person is "nutritionally deficient" in.

If you he gives a list of everything as you say -- then why charge the prices he does on his "website store" if everything can be picked up locally at your drug store?

Again, I quote:

Wallach seems to be most famous for a widely circulated audiotape he calls "Dead Doctors Don't Lie." [It is also available in video tape and book form.] The label on the tape notes that Wallach was a Nobel Prize nominee. This is true, but meaningless. He was nominated for a Nobel Prize in medicine by the Association of Eclectic Physicians "for his notable and untiring work with deficiencies of the trace mineral selenium and its relationship to the congenital genesis of Cystic Fibrosis." The Association of Eclectic Physicians is a group of naturopaths founded in 1982 by Edward Alstat and Michael Ancharski. In his book Let's Play Doctor (co-authored with Ma Lan, M.D., M.S.) Wallach states that cystic fibrosis is preventable, is 100% curable in the early stages, can be managed very well in chronic cases, leading to a normal life expectancy (75 years). If these claims were true, he might have won the Prize. He didn't win, but he gave a lot of false hope to parents of children with cystic fibrosis. The fact is that Wallach's "research" on cystic fibrosis was, to put it kindly, incompetent. The "people he studied were self-selected, and not randomized; he did not follow an appropriate data-gathering protocol; his diagnoses were made with a questionnaire; and his report made claims about other data that were either unsupported or unreferenced."* In fact, cystic fibrosis is a genetic disorder that "causes the body to produce unusually thick, sticky mucus that:

--Clogs the lungs and leads to life-threatening lung infections.

--Obstructs the pancreas and stops natural enzymes from helping the body break down food and absorb vital nutrients."*

"Many people with the disease can now expect to live into their 30s, 40s and beyond,"* but not because of mineral supplements or thanks to anything Wallach did.


...In the early 1980's, Wallach called himself a "Manner Metabolic Physician'' and treated cancer patients with laetrile, a substance that should not be used to treat cancer. In 1990 he also worked with Kurt Donsbach at the notorious Tijuana clinic Hospital Santa Monica. In 1995, Wallach was using chelation therapy for heart disease, a common misuse of this therapy by quacks. A relative of one of Wallach's patients reported his concerns to the National Council Against Health Fraud when the patient died in Wallach's care. The relative expressed concern that "Wallach had convinced the patient not to be treated by his regular physician; thus he did not seek proper medical help and died."*

There is no scientific data supporting the claim that all diseases are due to mineral deficiencies. A deficiency or excess of zinc can cause serious health problems. Iron deficiency is a well-known health problem. And there is a good reason for magnesium being a common ingredient in laxatives and antacids. But unless one has a specific deficiency, there is no known health benefit from ingesting daily supplements, colloidal or otherwise, unless one considers it a health benefit to feel that you are in control of your well-being by taking supplements. Numerous studies have failed to find any health benefit from taking supplements "just in case" you might be deficient in one or more vitamins or minerals. Editors at the Annals of Internal Medicine put it this way:

Most supplements do not prevent chronic disease or death, their use is not justified, and they should be avoided.... After years of study and mostly disappointing results, enough is enough. What we've found time and again is that the supplements are not working… we don't need to go on studying them forever....most of the 53% of U.S. consumers who use supplements are wasting money, to the tune of $28 billion a year.*

Since one-third of U.S. adults take supplements despite the lack of scientific evidence in support of the practice, characters like Wallach have a large market of eager customers waiting to be told lies that make them feel they can control their health with minimal effort just by opening their mouths and their wallets. The only reputable scientific study I know of that found a "modest" reduction in the risk of cancer from taking daily supplements was published in the Journal of the American Medical Society in 2012. The study involved over 14,000 male physicians over four years. One group got daily multivitamin tabs, the other group got a placebo.

Wallach claims that minerals in foods and most supplements are "metallic" and not as effective as "plant-based" colloidal minerals, which is nonsense because colloidal minerals are also "metallic," i.e., contain trace amounts of aluminum and heavy metals. Being colloidal has more to do with the origin, size, and structure of the mineral particles that with their effectiveness. Being metallic is irrelevant. Wallach claims that metallic minerals (i.e., regular vitamins and minerals) are only 8-12% absorb-able while colloidal minerals are 98% absorb-able. No data support this claim; Wallach seems to have made it up.* (A colloid is "a substance that consists of particles dispersed throughout another substance which are too small for resolution with an ordinary light microscope but are incapable of passing through a semipermeable membrane." --Merriam-Webster)

And probably most important that cannot be overstated:

Wallach makes his claims about minerals despite the fact that in 1993 a research team from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, reported the results of a 13-year study on 10,758 Americans which failed to find any mortality benefits from vitamin and mineral supplements. The study found that even though supplement users smoke and drink less than non-users, eat more fruits and vegetables than non-users, and are more affluent than non-users, they didn't live any longer than non-users. The study also found no benefit from taking vitamin and mineral supplements for smokers, heavy drinkers, or those with chronic diseases.

In May 2006, a committee of physicians impaneled by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that little information exists as to whether people should take supplements. The previous March the NIH noted that research suggests that vitamins and other supplements may do more harm than good, and that antioxidants are of little use.* Further research has found that vitamin supplements can even be deadly.* The simple fact is that there is no compelling scientific evidence that vitamin or mineral supplements beneficially affect the health or longevity of most people. Those suffering from a vitamin or mineral deficiency should take supplements, but there is no merit to Wallach's claim that most or all diseases are due to mineral deficiencies.

Wallach's basic appeal is to offer hope to people who fear or are mistrustful of medical doctors and scientific knowledge. He gives hope to those who want to live for a really long time. He gives hope to those who are diagnosed with diseases for which current medical knowledge has no cure. He gives hope to those who want to avoid getting a terminal disease. And he gives hope to those who want to be healthy but who do not want to diet or exercise. All we have to do is ingest a magic elixir of colloidal minerals and we'll be healthy. You can't just take your minerals in pill form, he warns us. You must take the colloidal variety in liquid form. Until he had a falling out with T.J. Clark & Co., this elixir had to come from special pits in Utah. After John H. Renner, M.D., President of the National Council Against Health Fraud, exposed the "distortions, bogus science, and outright lies" in Wallach's tape, T.J. Clark & Co. "severed its business relationship with him."  Wallach then "revised his 'scientific' opinion and quickly moved on to find new partners."*


Sorry for the long post, but it was important for this information to get out.

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