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#2
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
January 11, 2014, 03:46:05 AM
Quote from: NXOEED on January 07, 2014, 12:10:32 PM
Out of curiosity for those of you that make money off of ads, how much revenue do you think the site generates or would generate if Dark Matter took off?

if they were selling ads directly about $500/month less a salesman's commission of 20%; since they're using AdSense about $50/month

compete lists it with about 82K uniques/month at its height (Compete is not scientifically accurate as it's not measuring a tracking code, but gives a good ballpark) so I'm basing the first figure on a CPM of about $5

https://siteanalytics.compete.com/artbell.com/

by comparison, Richard C. Hoagland's website was tapping at around 50K unique visitors/month, Jorge's show gets about 600K, and Chris Hardwick's website (like Art, another '90's broadcast star) gets about 80K
#3
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
January 06, 2014, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: gringomisio on January 06, 2014, 07:25:00 PM
If Art was paying his webmaster this would have never been posted.. It seems artbell.com is Keith's site about Art as opposed to Art's site:

http://artbell.com/about-us/

Wow, solid find, that is incredibly weird ...

QuoteArtBell.com is the official website for the SiriusXM radio program, “Art Bell’s Dark Matter.” I do this for fun, but must make enough money through banner advertising and affiliate programs to pay the Amazon AWS bill and cover my time. Please support the ongoing operation of the website by visiting our sponsors and buying some stuff if it suits you.
#4
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Clock
January 03, 2014, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: Tom98370 on January 02, 2014, 01:02:50 AM
Art gave us all a teaser about a new studio clock
but never followed up with his fans.

Art: Give us the clock detail.

73, tom

If I may couch my reply in the form of a paraphrase of the fine and erudite fanboys in the Art Bell's Financial Situation (http://bellgab.com/index.php?topic=5443.0) thread ...

WE DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT ART'S CLOCK!

ART'S CLOCK IS BETWEEN ART AND ARYN!

WE'RE NOT ENTITLED TO ONE #$@!ING THING ABOUT ART'S CLOCK!

ART WILL TELL US ABOUT HIS CLOCK SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 15 YEARS WHEN HE FEELS LIKE IT. WHO ARE YOU TO EVEN DARE SUGGEST HE TALK ABOUT IT EARLIER?!

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF ART TALKED ABOUT YOUR CLOCK!?

I HEARD FROM SOMEONE WHO HEARD FROM SOMEONE WHO HEARD FROM SOMEONE THAT ART HAS THE THIRD BEST CLOCK IN SOUTHERN NEVADA. DON'T YOU DARE QUESTION WHAT THE GUY WHO TOLD THE GUY WHO TOLD THE GUY WHO TOLD ME, TOLD ME.
#5
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
January 03, 2014, 02:26:17 AM
Is it true Art Bell didn't pay his webmaster, that said webmaster had to try to get cash through affiliate link programs? That's kind-of a strange, and most likely not all that lucrative, arrangement. With all of Art's millions, a part-time webmaster should have been a drop in the bucket. Could it be that Art is either (a) a bad businessman, (b) stingy, (c) not a gajillionaire? (I find that "A" and "C" usually go together.)
#6
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
January 03, 2014, 02:06:51 AM
Quote from: George Drooly on December 31, 2013, 12:24:31 PM
He was the second-highest rated radio host of the 1990s, after Rush.

Source?

(And yes, I am aware the "second-highest rated radio show" thing is a popular meme in the Bellphile Underground. Repetition and volume of message doesn't replace sourcing, though. I have yet to see any objective evidence presented about this meme, even though one would suppose it should be fairly easily obtainable.)

Quote from: George Drooly on December 31, 2013, 12:24:31 PMHe wrote several books - not necessarily NYTIMES best sellers, but they're out there and did well.

Source?

Quote from: George Drooly on December 31, 2013, 12:24:31 PMOne of thos books was optioned for a hugely successful film.

Source?

As far as I'm aware the film was "inspired" by the book and got credit ... I have seen nothing that said there was an option that was sold. In fact, I would be particularly shocked if that was the case since the book was non-fiction, not a narrative story with characters. To further underscore this point, Whitley Streiber, who co-wrote the book with Art, has been very public about the financial hardships he's encountered.

Quote from: George Drooly on December 31, 2013, 12:24:31 PMHe sold his radio show.

For how much?

Quote from: George Drooly on December 31, 2013, 12:24:31 PMHe owned a radio station,

Which, itself, was only sold for $600,000 and I have a very hard time believing Art paid significantly less than that. Radio stations in the 2000s have been dropping in value, not appreciating. He might have made a hundo on it, or less. (Did he sell the station because he needed some quick cash? I know the press release version was that it was too much work but it appears he wasn't really involved in day to day operations at all.) 

Quote from: George Drooly on December 31, 2013, 12:24:31 PMwake up


cool story, bro 
#7
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
December 31, 2013, 06:18:28 AM
Quote from: George Drooly on December 30, 2013, 02:21:20 PM
"He's unemployed so he's obviously wealthy!"

Uh, yes, that does in fact make sense, why wouldn't it?

Uhhh ...

Quote from: George Drooly on December 30, 2013, 02:21:20 PMI'm sure he was payed through the nose from 1995-2000

While Art got out before the crash of radio, I think "pay through the nose" is a little fanciful, especially when applied to a person who doesn't use lawyers and has been proven to have trouble negotiating contracts that are to his benefit. As for "residuals" ... residuals from what? The Art of Talk?
#8
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
December 29, 2013, 07:19:52 PM
Quote from: McPhallus on December 25, 2013, 09:10:33 PM
We're not entitled to nitpick his finances any more than he's entitled to nitpick ours. 

meh - if Art wants to start a thread about my finances, he's more than welcome to; I doubt he'd find very many people interested in such a thread but, you know, whatever
#9
Quote from: Chocolate coated jackboot on December 27, 2013, 01:17:35 PM
I have a theory that the most batshit crazy material always sounds saner when delivered with a British accent ie Graham Hancock, Timothy Good, Nick Redfern

+1

Nick Redfern could be rambling on about black eyed kids and he'd sound more legit than someone from Arkansas with a double-Ph.D. in nuclear physics and oceanography.
#10
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
December 29, 2013, 07:00:53 PM
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln on December 26, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
I think you answered your own question. If Art's done virtually nothing for 13 years, odds are he's okay for money.

Only in the world of fandom ...

He's unemployed so he's obviously wealthy!

Quote from: DanTSX on December 25, 2013, 09:22:35 PMThe sale of C2CAM to PremRat was in the $10M+ range.  His salary on the show was probably good, but not too much to start, then went up as affiliates were added.

So what's the source for that figure?

I'm not saying it's not accurate, I'm just curious to know from where it's originating. Is this the actual sale value or is it the value Bell-fans believe he's worth so, by extension, that must be how much Premier paid?

Again, though, I'm not saying it's not true --- though it would certainly underscore a certain incompetence on the part of Premier if they got stuck with that kind of purchase price in a negotiation with someone who doesn't use lawyers and whose penchant for getting stuck with a raw deal in contract negotiations has publicly been noticed at least twice now.
#11
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
December 25, 2013, 08:04:47 PM
Since a large percentage of the discussion on this section of the site revolves around speculation as to Art's motivations for potentially doing "A" or "B" in the future, or for having done "C" or "D" in the past (and, indeed, the entire section is titled "Art Bell"), and, since many people have claimed he is a "millionaire" [sic], I think Art's finances are a germane topic of inquiry and analysis right along with his favorite foods, music, and everything else that is discussed here in furtive and solemn tones.
#12
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell's financial situation
December 25, 2013, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: b_dubb on December 25, 2013, 09:38:07 AM
Someone needs a hobby

indeed ...

Quotehttp://bellgab.com/index.php?action=profile;u=700

b_dubb

Total Time Spent Online:45 days, 17 hours and 43 minutes.Total Posts:3,979
#13
Quote from: Gd5150 on December 25, 2013, 12:05:02 AM
Most guests & topics on c2c require a leap of faith. That's part of what makes the show interesting and entertaining. It's like telling late night campfire stories.

If that was the profile of the average C2C listener I would agree. But, I get the sense that many listeners dwell on the fables being spun by C2C, concentrate on them, obsess over them, wrap themselves the sub-culture of the paranormal until they are reordering their lives based on bunk alt-medicine and tales of hobgoblins and ghouls.

Anyone who is offended by this description, don't worry, I wasn't describing you. You're unique. I was describing all the C2C fans other than you.
#14
Quote from: jazmunda on December 13, 2013, 07:33:32 AM
It was no coinshidence that George appeared when Art announced his return and disappeared just as Art disappeared.

:o

Quote from: jazmunda on December 13, 2013, 07:33:32 AMGeorge was here for one reason only and that was to shit stir the "haterz" and to try to stick it to Art.

Oh. I thought this was going to end with the revelation that George and Art are actually the same person.
#15
Radio and Podcasts / Art Bell's financial situation
December 24, 2013, 11:51:44 PM
There's a common meme among Bellphiles that goes like this: "Art Bell is a millionaire, he has no money concerns."

Does anyone know if that's actually true?

According to this published bio, he was an enlisted U.S. airman, then spent a number of years as a local radio DJ in a small market, then scored a 6-year gig (1994-2000) hosting a national radio call-in show, briefly ran a mail-order pizza seasoning business, and has spent the last 13 years doing occasional part-time, weekend-only/fill-in work.

Does 6 years as a national radio host make you "set for life?" Or does he have "no money concerns" because he's frugal and a good saver? I'm guessing he made a few hundo each of his 6 years working, lived a relatively austere lifestyle and so set most of it aside, and scored a lump-sum in his sale to Premier. I assume he is earning about $80K a year or so off a million-five in investments, plus $15K from social security?
#16
Quote from: Wintermute on December 16, 2013, 10:03:38 AM
The bigger question is "does it even matter"? Personally I do take some offense to these idiots like a Richard Hogland, who disperse total bullsh!t. BUT... it is entertainment and as long as people know they are supposed to be entertained by the bumbing rants of pseudo-intelligent folks, hey, who am I to judge. Just remember that Hogland is on par with a Kardashian.

I do think it matters because I get a sense that most of the listeners to C2CAM subscribe to the delusions. Civil society can only exist among a population of the sane.
#17
Quote from: Uncle Duke on December 11, 2013, 01:28:03 PM
I could easily list several of Dietrich's statements and theories that are factually incorrrect, but what I don't get is why he served in the USMC during the Gulf War.  He's constantly talking about wars being fought at the expense of the common soldier/sailor/marine/airman to make money for the elite, but he joined the US military and fought in an oil war?

While I'm happy to call Douglas Dietrich a nutcase, I don't want to call him a liar so I will not do that. However, I think everyone in this field needs to have their background independently verified and absolutely no one does it. This week I'll submit a FOIA request to the NPRC for Dietrich's OMPF and OPF. From past experience it can take 4-8 weeks for a response but I'll scan what I receive and post it here.
#18
RICHARD C. HOAGLAND - DELUDED
DANNION BRINKLEY - DELUDED
LINDA MOULTON HOWE - DELUDED
RICHARD DOLAN - CHARLATAN
#19
I used to think the Numbers Lady was a Charlatan but I think she may be experiencing serious emotional distress that is probably correctable - or at least manageable - with medication or talking therapy. If you listen to her, as shows progress, her manner of speech becomes more and more frantic and excited to the point she's just spitting out numbers like a 4th grade math teacher in the middle of a seizure. I'm not interested in the subject matter but it, also, becomes very uncomfortable and disconcerting to listen to these breakdowns when she's a guest on Coast.

Numbers Lady - CRAZY

#20
If you had to catalog Coast guests into one of four categories ...

- Legit (they have rationally arrived at a conclusion)
- Deluded (they have irrationally arrived at a conclusion)
- Charlatan (they don't believe their own conclusion but are trying to sell books, DVDs, etc.)
- Crazy (they are dealing with untreated medical issues)

... how would you classify each?
#21
Radio and Podcasts / Re: If Art returns...
November 16, 2013, 12:16:42 AM
Quote from: Falkie2013 on November 15, 2013, 10:05:49 PM
No.
Kaku will be the one cutting your hair and then telling you how haircuts relate to string theory and the Conservation of Energy and how one day barber shops will be part of the +3 civilization.

LOL
#22
Radio and Podcasts / Re: If Art returns...
November 15, 2013, 04:53:42 PM
I agree with OP.

That said, Michio Kaku never got a guest invitation he didn't like. The guy will do any show anytime. I don't know anyone in their right mind who circles a date on a calendar to catch Michio Kaku. I'm about to go get my haircut and I know there's a good chance Michio Kaku may be sitting in the chair next to me discussing quantum physics in a folksy, relatable way. Michio Kaku suffers from extreme overexposure.

I would love it if Art did a once-a-week podcast. He could do it at midnight if he wants, it's a podcast. I'd even pay $10/month to subscribe to it, maybe more - I used to pay $10/month for Mysterious Universe. A once-a-week podcast would be just infrequent enough that he could confine himself to first stringer guests. No Richard C. Hoagland or Dr. Steven Greer types to fill dates up. We wouldn't have to listen to Whitley Streiber keep milking his supposed abduction with "I just remembered something I totally forgot so have put it in this new book that could finally crack the mystery" for the umpteenth time.

Callers? If he needs them do non-live calls like Bill Handel would do with Handel on the Law ... callers call in and leave their comments/questions on voicemail during the week and then he sprinkles the best ones into the show.
#23
98 people have now answered the survey, however, at this point cookies will be clearing and some of this may be overvoting so I'm going to assume the summary in my response #20 in this thread is probably representative of this forum ... which says a lot when a pro-Art Bell forum is running a 38% negative opinion of Art, seems to indicate Art -



- with his latest retirement.
#24
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 15, 2013, 02:51:43 PM
Maybe because he actually turns up to work? It would be unfair to form an opinion on someones broadcasting presence if they're not there wouldn't it?

LOL

+1
#25
Now with 86 respondents:

1 - only 20.9% believe Art should have quit Dark Matter
2 - only 23.3% would rather someone other than Art be host of C2CAM, with George Knapp the most popular choice*
3 - 19.7% report having a "more positive" view of George Noory since Art quit Dark Matter
4 - 38.4% report having a "more negative" view of Art since Art quit Dark Matter
#26
Quote from: onan on November 14, 2013, 08:57:41 PMI am not sure what you are trying to achieve, since you spent 5 years here; but have no significant alliance to Bell.

Correct. Like I said, I do not form emotional attachments or "alliances" with celebrities. Art Bell, Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise don't come to my workplace and rally for my success, I have no interest in rallying for theirs. My only interest is in the potential consumer value of their product to me personally. The product Art Bell has been producing the last few years - an irregular, message-board based gossip column about inter-office politics at a small radio syndication company in a dumpy suburb of LA - is not a product that provides value to my life. In the absence of personally realized value, I feel no need to hysterically race to Art's defense.

Also, like I said, I have no ill will toward you that you form emotional attachments with celebrities. There's nothing wrong with that, I don't think, though I'm not a medical doctor so can't say for certain.
#27
here are my responses, for the record -

Rank the following Coast to Coast AM hosts in order of whom you trust most to give you factual no-spin information on matters related to the business and production of C2CAM / Dark Matter / SiriusXM / PremierRadio.

#1 - George Noory
#2 - Art Bell

Should Art Bell have quit SiriusXM?

No

If Premier Radio announced a fan vote on host for C2CAM, which of the following would you like to see win?

#1 - George Knapp*
#2 - Rob Simone
#3 - Rollye James
#4 - Art Bell
#5 - George Noory
#6 - John B. Wells
#7 - Hilly Rose
#8 - Mike Siegel

How has your opinion of George Noory as a person/businessman changed since Art's departure from Dark Matter?

was previously negative, has become more positive

How has your opinion of Art Bell as a person/businessman changed since his departure from Dark Matter?   

was previously positive, has become more negative   


* this is idealistic of me, though; I don't think Knapp could maintain the quality of his product if he had to do 22 days/month instead of 2 ... you get to a point where you have so many hours of programming to fill you eventually need to start booking the Numbers Ladies of the world
#28
Quote from: onan on November 14, 2013, 08:27:11 PM
wow I am impressed 5 years and you want to piss on Art because he didn't follow your script... and really you did an internet search... and it took more than 5 minutes, man you are a google beast.

dipshit.

I enjoy Art Bell's broadcasts. However, he is not my friend and I am not emotionally invested in him. I am unable to form emotional attachments with celebrities, politicians or musicians I've never met, that I only "know" through the internet or radio broadcasts. Maybe that's why I never got into the Jonas Bros. or Bieber. It sounds like you are able to form these type of attachments. And that's okay.

I have no "loyalty" to Art Bell or Justin Bieber - my only interest is in the quality of their product; once that goes, so does my interest. Art Bell's only recent product is irregular contributions to a rambling internet gossip column, and my interest in it has expired. You are free to disagree.
#29
Quote from: onan on November 14, 2013, 08:20:07 PM
And rather than let you use a quote from this reply to call me a fangirl... I will just say, you seem to like noory more than most here... good for you.

Correct. I registered this account five years ago and spent half-a-decade posting various ad hom attacks about Noory and photoshopping Noory's head onto women's bodies just to build up credibility so that - in the event Art came back - I could then come out pro-Noory, which is what I secretly was all along.

Also, I'm the one who scrubbed Bob Lazar's Harvard transcript.

fangirl
#30
Now with 71 respondents:

1 - Only 22.5% believe Art should have quit SiriusXM
2 - 18.3% would rather someone other than Art be host of C2CAM, with George Knapp the most popular choice*
3 - 18.3% report having a "more positive" view of George Noory
4 - 33.6% report having a "more negative" view of Art

* I assume those answering this question are answering it in an "Art Bell Fantasyland" setting where - once installed - Art does C2CAM daily for the next 40 years, instead of an "Art Bell Reality" setting where - once installed - Art retires during the first commercial break of the premier broadcast and then spends the next 10 years hinting that he might come back, dribbling out tidbits of insider office politics, and publicly regretting his retirement.
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