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Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Quote from: WOTR on May 27, 2018, 11:17:26 PM
So, what is the IQ of a man willing to accept that John Quincy Adams had a certain IQ score... You do know that he was in office long before IQ testing was even a glimmer in the eye of William Stern?...

You missed the part of his post about ''the past 100 years''?

Which president in the past 100 years would you say had a lower IQ than BO?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 27, 2018, 11:13:16 PM

The economy that has been growing since 2009?

Are you trying to give Obama credit simply because he's a D-Rat and was in office those years, or can you actually point to policies he put in place to improve the economy?

Metron2267

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on May 27, 2018, 10:51:23 PM
Losing your cool Mr. Dipshit ?
Hilarious !

You're insignificant, even for a Canucklehead.

;D ;D ;D

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 27, 2018, 11:13:16 PM

The economy that has been growing since 2009?

The economy proved stronger than the Obamessiah - go figure!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/barack-obama-now-only-president-history-never-have-year-3-gdp-growth

Following today's extremely disappointing US GDP growth data, we have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama's economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama's business cycle the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.

>:( >:( >:(

Metron2267

Quote from: WOTR on May 27, 2018, 11:17:26 PM
So, what is the IQ of a man willing to accept that John Quincy Adams had a certain IQ score... You do know that he was in office long before IQ testing was even a glimmer in the eye of William Stern?

You do know that Trumps records are not available?  I had to look up Obama and found that you are basing your claim on an article in Empire news?

You are one gullible man.  ::)

Wot?!?!?!

It's only "fake news" when you lot spew it out through your lamestream lying media?

Eat my ass, traitor!

>:(

Metron2267

Quote from: WOTR on May 27, 2018, 11:28:40 PM
I'm not the one quoting such easily debunked bunk...



You should be vivisected and packed in Kosher salt.

Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on May 28, 2018, 12:48:07 AM
You missed the part of his post about ''the past 100 years''?

Which president in the past 100 years would you say had a lower IQ than BO?

Oh, that's a toughie...uh...

_____________________________???

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Metron2267 on May 28, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
The economy proved stronger than the Obamessiah - go figure!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/barack-obama-now-only-president-history-never-have-year-3-gdp-growth

Following today's extremely disappointing US GDP growth data, we have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama's economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama's business cycle the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.

>:( >:( >:(


Zerohedge.com...Yet another completely none partisan mouth piece.. (Not)


Here are the REAL statistics.. The trend was up after the recession that started in 2004, and bottomed in 2007/2008.

http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188165/annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG


Top tip, if you want to be taken seriously (and you never were in your previous incarnation either), don't go to right wing echo chambers.  ;)

Quote from: Metron2267 on May 28, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
The economy proved stronger than the Obamessiah - go figure!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/barack-obama-now-only-president-history-never-have-year-3-gdp-growth

Following today's extremely disappointing US GDP growth data, we have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama's economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama's business cycle the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.

>:( >:( >:(

''Y-y-you-you didn't build that''

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:04:25 AM

Zerohedge.com...Yet another completely none partisan mouth piece.. (Not)


Here are the REAL statistics.. The trend was up after the recession that started in 2004, and bottomed in 2007/2008.

http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188165/annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG


Top tip, if you want to be taken seriously (and you never were in your previous incarnation either), don't go to right wing echo chambers.  ;)

How are you coming along compiling the various policies Obama enacted that improved the economy?

You insist on giving him credit for any growth, no matter how meager - you must know something we don't.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on May 28, 2018, 12:54:50 AM
Are you trying to give Obama credit simply because he's a D-Rat and was in office those years, or can you actually point to policies he put in place to improve the economy?


You know it was a global recession right? I know you imagine that the USA is on its own planet but it isn't. The fact is, just as (in the case now) a POTUS can't take credit for an upswing in the GDP but not take the wrap if it drops...Did you notice the self aggrandizing fanfare Trump made when the stock market went up but you could hear a pin drop when he said fuck all when it lost millions shortly after? Funny that eh? Similarly Trump can't take credit for a GDP increase that began in 2009. As I said before, if you come along and put the last few bricks on a wall, you can't claim to have built the rest, the way Trump loves to do, because as we all know, he loves taking credit, but shirks any responsibility if it's negative.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on May 28, 2018, 10:08:02 AM
How are you coming along compiling the various policies Obama enacted that improved the economy?

You insist on giving him credit for any growth, no matter how meager - you must know something we don't.

I didn't give him credit for the growth...I said that the upswing started in 2009. Well before Trump took office.

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:12:19 AM

You know it was a global recession right? I know you imagine

SILENCE SERF!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/barack-obama-now-only-president-history-never-have-year-3-gdp-growth

Following today's extremely disappointing US GDP growth data, we have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama's economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama's business cycle the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.

>:( >:( >:(

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:13:21 AM
I didn't give him credit for the growth...I said

SILENCE SERF!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/barack-obama-now-only-president-history-never-have-year-3-gdp-growth

Following today's extremely disappointing US GDP growth data, we have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama's economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama's business cycle the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.

>:( >:( >:(

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:04:25 AM

Zerohedge.com...Yet another completely none partisan mouth piece.. (Not)
Here are the REAL statistics..

SILENCE SERF!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/barack-obama-now-only-president-history-never-have-year-3-gdp-growth

Following today's extremely disappointing US GDP growth data, we have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama's economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama's business cycle the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.

>:( >:( >:(

Quote from: Metron2267 on May 28, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
The economy proved stronger than the Obamessiah - go figure!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/barack-obama-now-only-president-history-never-have-year-3-gdp-growth

Following today's extremely disappointing US GDP growth data, we have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama's economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama's business cycle the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.

>:( >:( >:(

You need to keep in mind Yorkie spent most of his life in the EU's UK province, where the unacceptably tepid growth rate like the one we had during the Obama years would have been cause for celebration. 

ACE of CLUBS

^^
Triple post ....
Again, losing your cool Mr. Dipshit ?
Hilarious !  8)

Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on May 28, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
You need to keep in mind Yorkie spent most of his life in the EU's UK province, where the unacceptably tepid growth rate like the one we had during the Obama years would have been cause for celebration.

Oh joy!

Let loose the dogs of Muzzie Hell and open all the curry shoppes early!

Metron2267

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on May 28, 2018, 10:31:05 AM
^^
Triple post ....
Again, losing your cool Mr. Dipshit ?
Hilarious !  8)

Has Canuckistan thawed out yet for the season?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:13:21 AM
I didn't give him credit for the growth...I said that the upswing started in 2009. Well before Trump took office.

An upswing always starts at the end of a recession.  It's part of the definition (ask your brother). 

The point to all this is the economy should have bounced back much faster and growth should have been much higher after a deep recession like the one we had in 2008.  It didn't happen because Obama either intentionally strangled it as best he could, or he was simply grossly incompetent in doing the basic things government does to get it going again (take your pick). 

(How he could increase the national debt by $10 trillion dollars, and not have anything to show for it - not even economic growth - is staggering, but Trump is the enemy, right?)

There are actual policies and legislation that Trump was responsible for that people can point to, and that correspond to responses from the business community in hiring and investing.  You can't point to anything Obama did to help the economy, and you sure wouldn't ever give Trump credit for anything, so you've decided your narrative is that any growth at all during the Obama years was just fine, and the sharp increase due to Trump's attitude and actions was somehow a natural continuation and happened by itself.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on May 28, 2018, 10:31:05 AM
^^
Triple post ....
Again, losing your cool Mr. Dipshit ?
Hilarious !  8)

He hasn't quite grasped the quote facility yet...But he'll improve. I'm sure.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on May 28, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
You need to keep in mind Yorkie spent most of his life in the EU's UK province, where the unacceptably tepid growth rate like the one we had during the Obama years would have been cause for celebration.


Well you can blame Cameron for that...(Psst, Conservative)

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:35:58 AM
He hasn't quite grasped the quote facility yet...But he'll improve. I'm sure.

Do life a "favor" kill yourself now.

http://www.visionandvalues.org/2017/02/obamas-shocking-historically-weak-economic-performance/

On January 27, the Commerce Department reported that the U.S. economy grew at an annual rate of only 1.9 percent for the fourth quarter and that the overall rate of growth for 2016 was a feeble 1.6 percent. During the eight years of Barack Obama’s presidency, the average annual real GDP growth was 1.5 percentâ€"the weakest economic performance of any post-WWII president, and the fourth worst ever.

Investors Business Daily summarized President Obama’s economic legacy with some stark figures: The average growth of real GDP in the 10 most recent previous recoveries from recessions was 33.5 percent; under Obama, it was 17.1 percent. If the Obama recovery had been merely average, today’s GDP would be $2.4 trillion higher ($19,000 in lost income per household over those eight years). There have been 12 million fewer jobs created than would have happened in an average recovery. Thus, the labor participation rate is three full percentage points lower (62.7 percent) now than it was at the beginning of the Obama presidency. According to economist John Williams, if unemployment were measured the same way it was during the Great Depression, the rate for December 2016 would read 22.7 percent.


Read: President Obama’s Parting Economic Shots

There is no way to sugarcoat these resultsâ€"they are dismal.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:36:45 AM

Well you can blame Cameron for that...(Psst, Conservative)

There are no conservative parties in the EU.  They're all various flavors of socialist, granted some are further left than others, some actually care about the Islamic invasion, but other than that they would all fit right in with the D-Rats here.

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:36:45 AM

Well you can blame Cameron for that...(Psst, Conservative)

You are a willing PAWN of the political sort/shell game, you insipid limey pillock.

They USE useful idiots like you to infect the populace with their 2 party either/or BULLSHIT!

And you suck it up like some cawk-gargling 2 bit whore.

You are beneath contempt - barely...

Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on May 28, 2018, 10:41:23 AM
There are no conservative parties in the EU.  They're all various flavors of socialist, granted some are further left than others, some actually care about the Islamic invasion, but other than that they would all fit right in with the D-Rats here.

Right on!

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on May 28, 2018, 10:34:33 AM
An upswing always starts at the end of a recession.  It's part of the definition (ask your brother). 

The point to all this is the economy should have bounced back much faster and growth should have been much higher after a deep recession like the one we had in 2008.


It should have because why? There were millions literary giving back the keys of their over stretched (Equitywise) homes back to the banks. Firs were shutting up left right and centre, the banks (who had caused the mess in the first place) shut up shop and didn't lend money to anyone for a while. You think that basis is a good foundation for repeating it all again? Jesus H.


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  It didn't happen because Obama either intentionally strangled it as best he could, or he was simply grossly incompetent in doing the basic things government does to get it going again (take your pick). 

Oh, so you're just spitting in the breeze with that? Got it. Just as long as you can pop at Obama.

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(How he could increase the national debt by $10 trillion dollars, and not have anything to show for it - not even economic growth - is staggering, but Trump is the enemy, right?)

He didn't...It was a GOP house remember... McConnell said to Obama's face he would go out of his way to destroy his presidency. Trump has really gone to town on the national debt..and No, it wasn't 10 trillion dollars you moron.
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Ronald Reagan:
Took office January 1981. Total debt: $848 billion
Left office January 1989. Total debt: $2,698 billion
Percent change in total debt: +218%

George H.W. Bush:
Took office January 1989. Total debt: $2,698 billion
Left office 20 January 1993. Total debt: $4,188 billion
Percent change in total debt: +55%

Bill Clinton:
Took office 20 January 1993. Total debt: $4,188 billion
Left office 20 January 2001. Total debt: $5,728 billion
Percent change in total debt: +37%

George W. Bush:
Took office 20 January 2001. Total debt: $5,728 billion
Left office 20 January 2009. Total debt: $10,627 billion
Percent change in total debt: +86%

Barack Obama:
Took office 20 January 2009. Total debt: $10,627 billion
Total debt (as of the end of April 2011): $14,288 billion
Percent change in total debt: +34%
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/who-increased-the-debt/

what are you smoking these days? Obama's was the lowest of the lot!

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There are actual policies and legislation that Trump was responsible for that people can point to, and that correspond to responses from the business community in hiring and investing.  You can't point to anything Obama did to help the economy, and you sure wouldn't ever give Trump credit for anything, so you've decided your narrative is that any growth at all during the Obama years was just fine, and the sharp increase due to Trump's attitude and actions was somehow a natural continuation and happened by itself.

Your ananlysis is deeply flawed so what is the point in trying to argue with you? You think Trump is the second coming (coincidentally so does he) and think the sun shines from his arse...Interestingly you haven't mentioned that gas prices are rocketing up since Trump pulled out of the Iran deal...and oddly neither has he.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Metron2267 on May 28, 2018, 10:42:47 AM
You are a willing PAWN of the political sort/shell game, you insipid limey pillock.

They USE useful idiots like you to infect the populace with their 2 party either/or BULLSHIT!

And you suck it up like some cawk-gargling 2 bit whore.

You are beneath contempt - barely...


What is that in English, you festering puss laden boil?

Metron2267


http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2017/jul/27/newt-gingrich/was-barack-obamas-best-economic-year-worse-bill-cl/

In economic growth, "Obama's best year was slower than Bill Clinton's worst year."
â€" Newt Gingrich on Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 in an interview on Fox News
Gingrich said that in economic growth, "Obama's best year was slower than Bill Clinton's worst year."

Measured by the annual change in inflation-adjusted GDP -- the typical measurement -- Gingrich is correct.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/7970/7-facts-show-obamas-economic-recovery-has-been-aaron-bandler
1. The Obama recovery has had a record number of quarters where economic growth has been two percent or lower.

This economic recovery is setting all the wrong records. Obama is the King of slow growth. Clinton will be the Queen pic.twitter.com/BNQ0RWuI70

â€" Scott Ruesterholz (@Read_N_Learn) August 1, 2016
The above graph is compounded by the fact that the Department of Commerce reported on Friday that economic growth was a meager 1.2 percent in the second quarter.

Overall, the real GDP growth rate for the Obama economy has been right at two percentâ€"the worst economic recovery since World War II, according to the Congressional Research Service. There has not been a single year under Obama in which the annual growth rate has been at three percent, which is unprecedented for an American president.

2. The average real GDP growth of recoveries rate prior to the Obama recovery was 4.3 percent. If the Obama recovery had been right in line with that 4.3 percent, the country would be $2.2 trillion richer today, according to Investor's Business Daily. The editors at IBD explain further: (emphasis bolded)

That translates into more than $17,000 per household. (It's worth noting that many of those previous recoveries had suffered a subsequent recession 28 quarters after they started, so Obama is doing worse despite the current recovery's longevity.)

In other words, if Obama's recovery had merely been average, millions of people who are unemployed today would be working and paying taxes instead of worrying and collecting benefits. There would be millions fewer stuck in poverty today, and millions fewer dependent on food stamps and other government programs to get by.

3. The most recent labor participation rate was 62.7 percent, with slightly more than 94.5 million Americans out of the work force. Back in September, the participation rate was 62.3 percentâ€"the lowest in nearly 40 years.

Obama's defenders argue that this is due to a record number of people retiring. This ignores the following key fact:

4. The number of jobs created under the Obama economy has not kept up with the working age population. Obama and Clinton have claimed that there have been nearly 15 million jobs in the private sector created under Obama, and if that number is taken at face value, it doesn't quite come close to the growth of the working age population of 15.8 million at around the same time frame. But the job gap is likely worse than that.

According to Investor's Business Daily's John Merline, Obama and Clinton's 15 million jobs number is based on the number of jobs created since February 2010, when the economy was at "rock bottom." However, Merline writes that the metric for job growth is normally determined from the previous "jobs peak," which was in January 2008. From that point, there has been an estimated 5.6 million increase in private-sector jobs while the working age population increased by over 20 millionâ€"creating a job gap of more than 14 million.

5. There has been a decline in business startups and investment. According to Time, there has been a decline of "entrepreneurial activity" from 14 percent in 2014 to 12 percent in 2015, when the four preceding years featured positive growth. In May 2015, The Wall Street Journal's Thomas J. Duesterberg and Donald A. Norman described capital investment as "historically weak," citing the burdensome corporate tax rates and regulations as the reason for the weak amount of investment. This is an important metric since investment is one of the key forces behind economic growth.

6. There has also been a decline of real household family income. According to Conservative Review, the decline went from $57,000 in 2007 to $53,700 in 2014. Naturally, it follows that the home ownership rate has declined to a near 48-year low.

7. There has also been a spike of Americans on food stamps. Conservative Review also used data from the Congressional Budget Office to show that the number of Americans food stamps has increased from 26.5 million in 2007 to 44.5 million in 2016. That is a decline from 47.7 million in 2013, but still much higher than pre-recession levels.

GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump has a bad habit of spitting out stupid tweets, but he did tweet this out, which sums up just how bad the Obama recovery has been:

"@TaylorEdwards99: THIS IS @POTUS'S LEGACY! AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER!!! WE NEED @realDonaldTrump NOW!! #MAGA #TRUMP2016 pic.twitter.com/lBgZJg0zd1

â€" Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 2, 2016

Metron2267

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on May 28, 2018, 10:50:20 AM

What is that in English, you festering puss laden boil?

EAT
     SHIT
            AND
                   DIE!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/7970/7-facts-show-obamas-economic-recovery-has-been-aaron-bandler

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-has-presided-over-weakest-multi-year-economic-recovery-wwii
(CNSNews.com) â€" President Barack Obama has presided over the weakest multi-year economic recovery since the end of World War II, according to data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA).

Since the end of the last recession in June 2009, the economy has grown only 7.5 percent--compared with the double-digit increases the economy experience in other multi-year post-World War II growth cycles.

Using inflation-adjusted GDP figures from BEA and business cycle dates from the National Bureau of Economic Research (the organization used by the government to date when recessions and recoveries begin and end), CNSNews.com calculated how much the economy grew in each recovery since 1949, the earliest full recovery period for which BEA data is available.

In three and a half years from the end of the last recession in June 2009 until the fourth quarter of 2012, the economy grew only 7.5 percent, increasing from $12.7 trillion to $13.6 trillion.

The absolute worst post-war recovery lasted just 12 months, from July 1980 to July 1981 when the economy grew just 4.4 percent before falling into recession again until November of 1982.

Obama’s is by far the worst multi-year recovery since World War II, including recoveries of similar lengths that occurred in the 1950’s and 1970’s.

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