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Started by Caruthers612, July 01, 2010, 11:34:40 PM

albrecht

London's mayor, a Muslim who once called 'moderate Muslims' 'Uncle Toms,' is declaring a war on knives and acids. Because London is having an unprecedented number of knife and acid attacks.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/londons-mayor-declares-intense-new-knife-control-emily-zanotti

Even going to do the dreaded "STOP AND FRISK." Doesn't the Left using bitch about "stop and frisk?" Hurting minorities or some claptrap?

Taaroa

Guns are getting stolen from legal owners by criminals? Legal owners are owning "too many" guns? Better agitate for more gun control.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/gun-thefts-in-australia-double-in-a-decade/9631484

albrecht

Quote from: Taaroa on April 08, 2018, 05:59:46 PM
Guns are getting stolen from legal owners by criminals? Legal owners are owning "too many" guns? Better agitate for more gun control.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-09/gun-thefts-in-australia-double-in-a-decade/9631484
I'm creating a new list of type and number of guns someone owns will really help out! That will be a shopping list for criminals, junkies, organized crime figures, etc. And government databases so commonly get out, get hacked, and so on. Bad idea.

I think the USA is undergoing the same type of phenomena seen elsewhere, especially large countries like Australia. Large, urban, often ethnically mixed dictate policies on small towns, rural, and more traditional areas and people. "Why should anyone need a...." "Why do you need so many......" and this goes for environmental rules, hunting and fishing ('animal cruelty",) guns, vehicles, taxes, and just about everything.

Taaroa

Quote from: albrecht on April 08, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
Large, urban, often ethnically mixed dictate policies on small towns, rural, and more traditional areas and people. "Why should anyone need a...." "Why do you need so many......" and this goes for environmental rules, hunting and fishing ('animal cruelty",) guns, vehicles, taxes, and just about everything.
It's much more extreme in Australia when you consider that 72% of the population lives in the major cities (Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart, Canberra, Brisbane, Darwin, Perth, Adelaide), with a good portion of that probably having never left the urban areas.

ItsOver

Quote from: albrecht on April 08, 2018, 03:28:34 PM
London's mayor, a Muslim who once called 'moderate Muslims' 'Uncle Toms,' is declaring a war on knives and acids. Because London is having an unprecedented number of knife and acid attacks.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/londons-mayor-declares-intense-new-knife-control-emily-zanotti

Even going to do the dreaded "STOP AND FRISK." Doesn't the Left using bitch about "stop and frisk?" Hurting minorities or some claptrap?
From the article, "It's also not clear what local Londoners will now use to cut their food."  Ha!  ::)

albrecht

Quote from: Taaroa on April 08, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
It's much more extreme in Australia when you consider that 72% of the population lives in the major cities (Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart, Canberra, Brisbane, Darwin, Perth, Adelaide), with a good portion of that probably having never left the urban areas.
Yeah, I've heard that it is. I have almost zero knowledge about Australia politics-wise. Does your political system allow representation of the State (or Province) representation on an equal basis in any of the branches or is representation totally based on population? One thing we have good is the equal Representation in the Senate- so States cannot be totally pushed around (and then this goes to our State legislatures as well.) So big cities, or States, don't run everything. Yet.

My other comment is that, in general, making vast changes to a system, law, etc based on a one-off event, however tragic, is not usually a good policy. There is a reason that governments and bureaucracies then to move slowly (in a good way) so they can soberly deliberate an issue, not "throw the baby out with the bathwater, etc". We even have laws about age limits etc because we knew that sometimes it takes some life experience, education, and whatnot to make rational decisions. Reacting off first emotions is usually not a sound decision making process.

albrecht

Quote from: ItsOver on April 08, 2018, 06:27:07 PM
From the article, "It's also not clear what local Londoners will now use to cut their food."  Ha!  ::)
They will all just have to eat kebaps.

As guns are so bad a priori to the Left it is interesting how the solution for Muslim Mayor Khan is.... more guns and larger caliber guns for racist police (since we also know that all police are racists!)

Asuka Langley

Quote from: ItsOver on April 08, 2018, 06:27:07 PM
From the article, "It's also not clear what local Londoners will now use to cut their food."  Ha!  ::)


ItsOver

Quote from: albrecht on April 08, 2018, 06:29:36 PM
...Reacting off first emotions is usually not a sound decision making process.
Exactly.  However, it's a popular process for pushing agendas.



Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Kizuna Ai on April 08, 2018, 06:38:11 PM


Wouldn't it be safer for all concerned if everyone were de-toothed. A nasty bite could cause an infection. Someone could die! :o

Taaroa

Quote from: albrecht on April 08, 2018, 06:29:36 PM
Does your political system allow representation of the State (or Province) representation on an equal basis in any of the branches or is representation totally based on population? One thing we have good is the equal Representation in the Senate- so States cannot be totally pushed around (and then this goes to our State legislatures as well.) So big cities, or States, don't run everything. Yet.

The Senate has 12 senators for each state and 2 each for the ACT (think Washington DC) and Northern Territory, while the House of Representatives (lower house) has 150 members and is based on population. It was designed like that deliberately to prevent the big states from pushing around the small ones, but nowadays the smaller states seem to have a lot more pull than they should have - especially with regards to a certain tax.

Quote from: albrecht on April 08, 2018, 06:29:36 PMMy other comment is that, in general, making vast changes to a system, law, etc based on a one-off event, however tragic, is not usually a good policy. There is a reason that governments and bureaucracies then to move slowly (in a good way) so they can soberly deliberate an issue, not "throw the baby out with the bathwater, etc". We even have laws about age limits etc because we knew that sometimes it takes some life experience, education, and whatnot to make rational decisions. Reacting off first emotions is usually not a sound decision making process.
Which is basically what happened with the Port Arthur massacre in the 90s where there was a kneejerk reaction and gun laws were quickly and significantly tightened. I mentioned it before in this thread, but there actually have been mass shootings since then which seem to get ignored.

albrecht

Quote from: Taaroa on April 08, 2018, 06:45:02 PM
The Senate has 12 senators for each state and 2 each for the ACT (think Washington DC) and Northern Territory, while the House of Representatives (lower house) has 150 members and is based on population. It was designed like that deliberately to prevent the big states from pushing around the small ones, but nowadays the smaller states seem to have a lot more pull than they should have - especially with regards to a certain tax.
Which is basically what happened with the Port Arthur massacre in the 90s where there was a kneejerk reaction and gun laws were quickly and significantly tightened. I mentioned it before in this thread, but there actually have been mass shootings since then which seem to get ignored.
So in that regard a bit like our system. Surprised gun control could pass so, what seemed, relatively easily. A lot of people complain about our system to, that is gives too much power to small (in population) states. But, often, it is the derided folks in "flyover country," as the elites call it are the more sane, traditional, and hardworking folks.

Yeah, why I mentioned rash decision making. Nobody likes a mass shooting, terrorist 'event', or tragedies but to drastically make huge changes after one or a few horrible events so quickly is bad (I have a lot of problems with changes made post 911, for example.) There was recently a horrible accident in which many members of the youth hockey team were killed an injured. So is Canada going to ban buses? Ban youth sports? No, that is stupid. You investigate cause of crash and determine if some safety measures could've prevented it, then figure out the costs/benefits/risks of making such a change, debate it, and then make some action if people agree.

ACE of CLUBS

Quote from: ItsOver on April 06, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
Serving at comic-con help desks in Chicago doesn't count as a "big game guide." ::)

  We would get some Italian and German clients ..... especially for bears. Most all were well equipped, but had unrealistic expectations. They'd be upset because there wasn't a bear, moose, elk etc. behind every tree. You'd be spending a good part of the day just trying to keep them entertained. Bear hunting isn't a 'sure thing' especially when hunting large trophy class B or G bears. Eventually we quit booking hunts with the Europeans.
  The Americans that booked with us didn't have the unrealistic expectations, could speak English (kinda'), understood our costs and monetary issues.  Much more pleasant clients.  The one glaring issue that was more than apparent than it should have been was that many of them couldn't shoot. Didn't know how to shoot, were afraid of their new large bore rifles.
  Sometimes a guide was asked to 'help' them ..... code for: shoot the bear.
For you folks that are guarding against tyranny, etc. it's been interesting reading your views on guns.
For the folks like ItsOver ..... who probably live in an inner city apartment ....... it's difficult to understand the fascination with guns.

albrecht

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on April 08, 2018, 10:19:07 PM
  We would get some Italian and German clients ..... especially for bears. Most all were well equipped, but had unrealistic expectations. They'd be upset because there wasn't a bear, moose, elk etc. behind every tree. You'd be spending a good part of the day just trying to keep them entertained. Bear hunting isn't a 'sure thing' especially when hunting large trophy class B or G bears. Eventually we quit booking hunts with the Europeans.
  The Americans that booked with us didn't have the unrealistic expectations, could speak English (kinda'), understood our costs and monetary issues.  Much more pleasant clients.  The one glaring issue that was more than apparent than it should have been was that many of them couldn't shoot. Didn't know how to shoot, were afraid of their new large bore rifles.
  Sometimes a guide was asked to 'help' them ..... code for: shoot the bear.
For you folks that are guarding against tyranny, etc. it's been interesting reading your views on guns.
For the folks like ItsOver ..... who probably live in an inner city apartment ....... it's difficult to understand the fascination with guns.
Any city-slickers come out with cuts on their face from  getting too nervous and creeping their face up to the scope? Ha. I had a buddy who as a kid up in Alaska did that and still has a nice eyebrow "part." Since had to hike out the camp/drunk dad butterfly-bandage scarred pretty good.
ps: those Euros might have better options closer to home. I was reading some hunting mag (well pictures) in German about hog hunts in Hungary where you got some crazy cheap deals. Locals to beat woods, go with torches, "entertainment" afterwards- like native 'bedwarmers' up there (I heard from someone) if desired, etc. A bit morally questionable, at least the "warming" bit, but hogs are, like here, a problem for agriculture so kill as many as you can. And they get BIG. And very smart and so get a trophy but sustainable because they are not a problem. Europe, here, and even Asia has problems with them.
ps: there are folks here (in East) that take hogs with knives using catch dogs. A bit crazy and I'm sure animal rights folks would have a field day criticizing. But crazy stuff and the dogs are amazing. Team work and since hogs are smart good dogs will work better than traps. (The knife part is I think crazy.)


ItsOver

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on April 08, 2018, 10:19:07 PM
  We would get some Italian and German clients ..... especially for bears. Most all were well equipped, but had unrealistic expectations. They'd be upset because there wasn't a bear, moose, elk etc. behind every tree. You'd be spending a good part of the day just trying to keep them entertained. Bear hunting isn't a 'sure thing' especially when hunting large trophy class B or G bears. Eventually we quit booking hunts with the Europeans.
  The Americans that booked with us didn't have the unrealisCltic expectations, could speak English (kinda'), understood our costs and monetary issues.  Much more pleasant clients.  The one glaring issue that was more than apparent than it should have been was that many of them couldn't shoot. Didn't know how to shoot, were afraid of their new large bore rifles.
  Sometimes a guide was asked to 'help' them ..... code for: shoot the bear.
For you folks that are guarding against tyranny, etc. it's been interesting reading your views on guns.
For the folks like ItsOver ..... who probably live in an inner city apartment ....... it's difficult to understand the fascination with guns.
Clueless ace of schlubs.  I have a nice, large house, not an apartment in the inner city. Tell us about your fascination with Batman and Robin.

ACE of CLUBS

Gathered around your stolen computer with your seven pre-school kids?
I guess that 450 sq.ft. would be a 'nice large house' to some folks .....
Any more 'buns in the oven' .....
You are a prize ....

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on April 09, 2018, 04:49:10 PM
Gathered around your stolen computer with your seven pre-school kids?
I guess that 450 sq.ft. would be a 'nice large house' to some folks .....
Any more 'buns in the oven' .....
You are a prize ....

Open your mouth wider! I want to piss in it, just like your PM does. :D

ItsOver

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on April 09, 2018, 04:49:10 PM
Gathered around your stolen computer with your seven pre-school kids?
I guess that 450 sq.ft. would be a 'nice large house' to some folks .....
Any more 'buns in the oven' .....
You are a prize ....
You are one sick canuck.  Go play with your beaver.  Don't forget to take your comic books with you, joker.

Gd5150

Quote from: ItsOver on April 09, 2018, 04:15:08 PM
Clueless ace of schlubs.  I have a nice, large house, not an apartment in the inner city. Tell us about your fascination with Batman and Robin.

Such a tool. Dumbass doesn’t have a clue.


ItsOver

Quote from: Gd5150 on April 09, 2018, 05:08:32 PM
Such a tool. Dumbass doesn’t have a clue.


Ha!    ;D

ACE of CLUBS

The Three Amigos have responded.
Now run along and go play with your pistols .....
AJ cucks .....


Asuka Langley

Quote from: ACE of CLUBS on April 09, 2018, 05:20:51 PM
The Three Amigos have responded.
Now run along and go play with your pistols .....
AJ cucks .....

Four, Four Amigos! AH AH AH AH AH!





Gd5150

Quote from: Kizuna Ai on April 09, 2018, 05:48:10 PM


Because law abiding NRA members who own AR-15s just leave them sitting around the house. Lmao!!! Dumbass fascists.

Yes, please go to any gun owning NRA members house with a drill and try to touch their guns. Please.


albrecht

Quote from: Kizuna Ai on April 09, 2018, 05:48:10 PM

Why not guns as living, rational actors? Earlier the Leftist outrage was against SUVs and Pickups that had minds of their own and would run people over, eat gasoline and contribute to "warming," etc.

One thing I notice though about the culture, and political culture especially, is how crude and base it is. Mainly, but not solely on the Left (Trump as an example to an extent,) on the Left and Democrats. Every argument is just shouting? Every "movement" is FUCK-something? Political slogans are just "FUCK YOU" chants? Outright calls for civil war, rioting, and violence. And in some cases committing it. Vandalism is praised. Imagine Democrats and politicians of even just some years ago acting like this? No decorum. No attempts to argue a point on merit logically or even consider another opinion. Afraid, actual physical symptoms happen, to even LISTEN to something you don't totally agree with. Can you imagine politicians, save maybe a few on a local level possible or in private- like LBJ or Nixon, cursing so much? Imagine Jimmy Carter or Humphrey yelling "FUCK YOU" at the top of his lungs as a form of political rhetoric or accepting his supporters to do so on his behalf?

Dr. MD MD

Hey, hey! Ho ho! Liberal zombies have got to go!


Up All Night

IF they take the 1st Amendment, our Freedom to speak about issues, and not be deemed "Hate" Speech to then be silenced all over the internet, then that "silence" will prevent and impede fighting against them taking other rights away, like the 2nd Amendment.

Without electronic free speech then America is doomed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YReMMTu_f7A

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Up All Night on April 10, 2018, 09:00:59 PM
IF they take the 1st Amendment, our Freedom to speak about issues, and not be deemed "Hate" Speech to then be silenced all over the internet, then that "silence" will prevent and impede fighting against them taking other rights away, like the 2nd Amendment.

Without electronic free speech then America is doomed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YReMMTu_f7A

No one gives a shit anymore. They all just want to wheel it back to Bush era politics. I'm getting tired of calling them clueless faggots, even though they are. It's just not getting through. Oh well, 4th Reich here we come!

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